Anyone else anticipating this one?
A LOT of new features.

Im going to be watching for a few years notice "few years" I dont keep up with Jones.

Dont think they can be no worse than the 6.0 line......:laughing:

Time will tell. Being first year run bugs will have to worked out.
Not crazy at all about muffler fluid (The fix to regens i heard). Thats the bad thing about modern diesels is EPA ferking with us.

Hopefully these trucks wont have some locked ecm or deathflash bullshit in em.

Not really I'd be more jacked about a 2001 7.3 with less than 150K! Between the price, performance & dependability I'd rather have the the old stuff!

I am not in the market for a $60,000 pick up but it sure looks good. I like all of the locking storage compartments. Oh, and the 4" screen in the center of the steering wheel would be cool. Suppose to get 25 MPG. Guess we will see...

I am not in the market for a $60,000 pick up but it sure looks good. I like all of the locking storage compartments. Oh, and the 4" screen in the center of the steering wheel would be cool. Suppose to get 25 MPG. Guess we will see...

Not quite 25 MPG. They are saying the 6.2 will only get slightly better fuel economy then the current 5.4.

The 6.7 they are being tight lipped about but Progress Energy is testing a few of them and they are not seeing over the 20 mpg barrier on the highway at speed.

From what our fleet reps are saying 18 to 19 for a 250 4x4 CC SB. Not bad but not the mid 20's that GM is claiming with their new duramax. That is ashame because the superduty cab is so much nicer then the Chevy's and has more room but their poor fuel economy makes me wonder.

It's also interesting that GM and Ford are going with SCR and Dodge is going with out and using EGR and DPF still.

Time will tell how this works.

We have one at work too, I will ask to see how its working. F450, it doesn't leave the yard without a 20k trailer, and will spend a ton of time idling, so it won't be seeing any stellar mileage but at least we can see how it does compared to the 6.0/6.4s

Personally I never had any luck with the 7.3 either. But perhaps just bad luck.

I was going to wait for the 2011 but I figured that there wouldn't be too many discounts and I stumbled across a 2010 optioned almost exactly as I would order so I bought it at the end of November instead of waiting.

I was going to wait for the 2011 but I figured that there wouldn't be too many discounts and I stumbled across a 2010 optioned almost exactly as I would order so I bought it at the end of November instead of waiting.

same here. love the Ford looks and chassis so i picked up a 2010, didn't want to be a guinea pig the first year around on the 6.7l.

Nope, With FORD diesel track record for the last 8 or so years, I am not interested in anything they make. Everything since the 7.3 has been complete junk.

Nope, With FORD diesel track record for the last 8 or so years, I am not interested in anything they make. Everything since the 7.3 has been complete junk.

X2 Ford diesels have had too many serious problems for me to even consider one. I dont like all the emissions crap that comes on the new diesels but the clean diesel stuff on the 6.4 is a joke. Who the hell would want a diesel that gets 12 mpg unloaded? I dont know what they did to correct those problems on the new engines but I would not want to spend 60K and hope that Ford finally got it right this time.

X2 on being a 7.3L fan.

It saddens me that there will be no more ford diesel vans in 2011 due to the engine size and compartment, Didnt like their trade off with 6.0L so I was hoping they would put the 6.7L in them got word they wouldnt.
Guess I will keep wrenching on my 7.3L E350s. And watching the new 6.7L roll down the road.

Not quite 25 MPG. They are saying the 6.2 will only get slightly better fuel economy then the current 5.4.

The 6.7 they are being tight lipped about but Progress Energy is testing a few of them and they are not seeing over the 20 mpg barrier on the highway at speed.

From what our fleet reps are saying 18 to 19 for a 250 4x4 CC SB. Not bad but not the mid 20's that GM is claiming with their new duramax. That is ashame because the superduty cab is so much nicer then the Chevy's and has more room but their poor fuel economy makes me wonder.


I will believe those Milage numbers when I see them. I can't remember specific Hp/Torque rating, but if I recall they haven't reduced them so I highly doubt mpg will be a huge increase.

Not quite 25 MPG. They are saying the 6.2 will only get slightly better fuel economy then the current 5.4.

The 6.7 they are being tight lipped about but Progress Energy is testing a few of them and they are not seeing over the 20 mpg barrier on the highway at speed.

From what our fleet reps are saying 18 to 19 for a 250 4x4 CC SB. Not bad but not the mid 20's that GM is claiming with their new duramax. That is ashame because the superduty cab is so much nicer then the Chevy's and has more room but their poor fuel economy makes me wonder.

It's also interesting that GM and Ford are going with SCR and Dodge is going with out and using EGR and DPF still.

Time will tell how this works.

What do you expect out of the car companies. They are not only backed into a corner by the EPA but also by the consumer. The consumer wants 500 hp and 1000 lbs of torque and also 30 mpg.:shaking: It's a no win situation

What do you expect out of the car companies. They are not only backed into a corner by the EPA but also by the consumer. The consumer wants 500 hp and 1000 lbs of torque and also 30 mpg.:shaking: It's a no win situation
the sad thing is that if the EPA had left light duty diesels alone we might be seeing 25 MPG, if the evolution had been allowed to happen.
Now we're stuck with DPFs and urear injetion and all other manner of devices that hurt performance.
So now you're going a step back in fuel mileage, but it burns cleaner. How can something that uses more fuel be better for the enviroment? The EPA has some really fucked up logic.

X2 Ford diesels have had too many serious problems for me to even consider one. I dont like all the emissions crap that comes on the new diesels but the clean diesel stuff on the 6.4 is a joke. Who the hell would want a diesel that gets 12 mpg unloaded? I dont know what they did to correct those problems on the new engines but I would not want to spend 60K and hope that Ford finally got it right this time.


Once again you are not following facts. The 6.0 has had some problems, but if you were to also compare Chrysler and GM products of those years, they too face serious drivetrain issues.

So far all of the Big 3 diesels are facing problems with the DPF passive / active regen regulations and are all getting atrocious fuel economy because of it.

Incidentally, a majority of the problems (faulty DPF, fire out the exhaust, shitty fuel economy) with the new trucks disappear when you do a DPF delete.

Now as far as the 6.7 and 6R140 transmission - I'm looking forward to see how much of an evolution this is over the 6.4 5R110 combination.

IDK why anyone would pay what I think is going to be a huge price tag (what, something like 70K+ fully loaded?). I love my Duramax :grinpimp:

Talked to our ops manager today. He said 2011 is the best truck in the fleet. The 6.7 is noticably better then the 6.0/6.4 and the new trans is an improvement. He has about 15 F450s and 10 F350s that report to him. They had looked at some MDTs (International) prior since the F450s were having so many problems, but crew cab 4x4 MDTs cost significantly more then an F450 new.

No idea on mileage since ours all get bad mileage. I am not sure what Ford is doing on maintenance on the 2011, but I assume they send a tech out to do it.

X2 Ford diesels have had too many serious problems for me to even consider one. I dont like all the emissions crap that comes on the new diesels but the clean diesel stuff on the 6.4 is a joke. Who the hell would want a diesel that gets 12 mpg unloaded? I dont know what they did to correct those problems on the new engines but I would not want to spend 60K and hope that Ford finally got it right this time.

Take the emission shit of the 6.4 and you'll get good MPG's and its actually a good engine, w/ a lot of power potenial.

Not quite 25 MPG. They are saying the 6.2 will only get slightly better fuel economy then the current 5.4.

The 6.7 they are being tight lipped about but Progress Energy is testing a few of them and they are not seeing over the 20 mpg barrier on the highway at speed.

From what our fleet reps are saying 18 to 19 for a 250 4x4 CC SB. Not bad but not the mid 20's that GM is claiming with their new duramax. That is ashame because the superduty cab is so much nicer then the Chevy's and has more room but their poor fuel economy makes me wonder.

It's also interesting that GM and Ford are going with SCR and Dodge is going with out and using EGR and DPF still.

Time will tell how this works.

I will believe that mileage when I hand calculate it.

The last diesel I had that would break the 20 mpg barrier consistantly was my 2 91 CTD 2wd single cabs. The one with the standard would get 24 hwy and the auto with lockup swutch would get 22 hwy. Both were late 91s with the intercooled engine. We also had a 85 ford diesel / standard / 2wd that would knock down high 20's on the hwy.

My current 08 CTD 6.7 with DPF delete and EGR unplugged will get 18 - 20 hwy @ 62 MPH . Houston city driving knocks it down to 15-16 . Pulling a loaded 16ft wells cargo from Houston to Eastport Maine averaged out to 14.6 . I have noticed the mileage slightly improving since it now has 33 k on the clock.

BTW, I looked at the new dodge 2500 and it is nice. Actually thought about trading mine since the new one has an actual crew cab. But the price is nutty. 60k+ for one rigged like my current truck then they insulted me with a 24k offer on my truck. I pointed out that the beat up 07 2500 with 120 k on it was priced at $34,000 :homer:

Not really I'd be more jacked about a 2001 7.3 with less than 150K! Between the price, performance & dependability I'd rather have the the old stuff!

I love my 01 7.3 F350 crew!!:laughing: Has 102,000 on the clock. I wouldn't trade it for any of the new junk choked with all the epa garbage.

Once again you are not following facts. The 6.0 has had some problems, but if you were to also compare Chrysler and GM products of those years, they too face serious drivetrain issues.

So far all of the Big 3 diesels are facing problems with the DPF passive / active regen regulations and are all getting atrocious fuel economy because of it.

Incidentally, a majority of the problems (faulty DPF, fire out the exhaust, shitty fuel economy) with the new trucks disappear when you do a DPF delete.

Now as far as the 6.7 and 6R140 transmission - I'm looking forward to see how much of an evolution this is over the 6.4 5R110 combination.

We have the facts. Teh fact is the 6.0 was a huge hunk of shit and the 6.4 isnt much better. the 7.3 was a far superior engine with no real problematic issues like the 6.0 and 6.4 boat anchors.And yes dodge and chevrolet have had a few problems, but nothing compared to the let down that is ford diesels since the 7.3

So far all of the Big 3 diesels are facing problems with the DPF passive / active regen regulations and are all getting atrocious fuel economy because of it.

Incidentally, a majority of the problems (faulty DPF, fire out the exhaust, shitty fuel economy) with the new trucks disappear when you do a DPF delete.



I think a lot of folks are getting "atrocious" fuel economy with their DPF trucks due to the way they drive them. I've had my '08 Duramax for almost 6 months and have been very happy with it. Actual fuel mileage down to KOH and back, loaded down with a toyhauler was:

'08 Duramax
12.6 (60 to 65 mph)
11.7 (65 to 70 mph)
~16.3 Unloaded mixed highway and city driving, with a best to date of 17.1 (freeway only)

Compare those numbers to two other diesel trucks i've owned

'03 7.3 ford (six speed)
13 with the boat (65mph)
10 with the stock trailer (60 to 65mph)
16.5 to 17 Unloaded mixed highway and city driving, with a best of 19.4

'90 7.3 ford (five speed)
13 with the boat (60mph)
11 with the stock trailer (60mph)
16.5 to 17 Unloaded mixed highway and city driving, with a best of 17.6 (these figures are with reformulated low sulfur diesel fuel, in the 1990's i could get up to 21mpg with this truck with the old "dirty" diesel)

I'm sure the new ford's will get about 17 unloaded and 10-14 towing, just like every non-big block pickup made since 1987.

We have the facts. Teh fact is the 6.0 was a huge hunk of shit and the 6.4 isnt much better. the 7.3 was a far superior engine with no real problematic issues like the 6.0 and 6.4 boat anchors.And yes dodge and chevrolet have had a few problems, but nothing compared to the let down that is ford diesels since the 7.3

You've got to be shitting me right? Remember the Duramax injector problems? Allison 1000 problems? How about the 47RH? Lift pump problems in the Cummins. CRD injectors in the 5.9? Or the 6.7 Cummins emission problems and random shutdowns. The 7.3 was a good engine, but it also had it's hiccup of leaving owners stranded on the side of the road because of a relatively simple sensor failure (CPS).

Yes, the 6.0 is a turd, early 6.4s had problems with emissions parts and injectors because they weren't running ULSD. That's where they were "making oil" because of injector leaks. Most of the small problems were fixed on the Job 2 and 3 trucks. For engine reliability the 6.4 is actually a pretty good engine provided you run the right fuel in it and turn off the regen cycle.

Let's try to be fair in our analysis of engine models. There's far too much "smoke" being blown by the 5.9 and 7.3 guys about newer trucks.

I'm one of those guys driving a 6.0 "turd". My 05 has 70k miles and its a great truck. It went in for headgaskets at 50k and I put ARP studs in at that time and this summer when the engine warrenty is up I will delete the egr system. I believe with the egr system gone and the studs I will have addressed the main weaknesses and will keep the truck another 5 years. I dont beat this truck, its is not chipped and I dont drag race or sled pull with it. I pull my trailers with it and it does everything a truck should do.

I think the biggest problems with the 6.0 is since the Super duty is by far the most desirable and best looking platform out there means there are a LOT of them on the road. A LOT of these trucks are driven by 1. soccer moms or city folk that dont need a truck and never "work them" which can cause issues with the EGR system and the VGT turbo. 2. "kids" that mod the hell out of them and beat them to death.

My last truck was a 99 Dodge and it spent more days in the shop for engine related issues than my Ford. That doesnt count the Dodge chassis issues.

I would love to have the new Ford but mines paid for and I dont have an extra 60k laying around. Also I only own manual tranny trucks and the 2011 will not be available with a manual.

I have a job 1 6.4

its the first truck I don't feel the need to bomb like my 02 ford 7.3 or my 04 dodge 5.9. it tows GREAT and rides GREAT empty.

the truck went through 2 radiators and a new dpf. but it was a job 1 truck so you expect some issues.

I also spoke with a engineer briefly as they were testing a bunch of new fords up and down the hills from AZ to Laughlin. he said the truck gets significant better mileage? of course Ive had my fill any WON'T be a guinea pig again

I love the power and the cab in my 08...but the mileage BLOWS.. I get 11.

the tranny warranty is up at 60k miles. I think the DPF will fall off then.

Let's play "find the engine":

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd249/strokeThis_07/1120090932.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd249/strokeThis_07/1120090931.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd249/strokeThis_07/1120090933a.jpg



Uhhh, no thanks.:barf:

Wow, I think I'll stick with my CTD.. ONLY issue I've ever had with the truck was the factory lift pump dumping at 22k miles. They replaced it under warranty with an in tank pump replacement, and it's been perfect ever since. 6 years old now, with 63k miles.
Scott

That is one thing nice about the Cummins, it was like my old K5 you could sit in the engine bay and work on it. Id hate to pull a cab if something goes wrong.

You gotta admit that the inboard exhaust is pretty cool though. I read an article somewhere too that they designed the new 6.7 with ease of maintenance in mind.... you don't have to pull the cab anymore to get to the turbo (you do on the 6.4). I'm sure it's still a hell of a lot more work than a Cummins or other, older diesels, but it's a start. It's hard to find gas motors in most new vehicles these days, so this Ford really isn't much different.

price an oil change for the new powersmoke motors?

They got the videos up. Check out the field work, off road and trailer ones. Zane was who I was talking to about the truck.

http://www.fordvehicles.com/2011superduty/?p=fieldwork

They got the videos up. Check out the field work, off road and trailer ones. Zane was who I was talking to about the truck.

http://www.fordvehicles.com/2011superduty/?p=fieldwork

interesting. Too bad they wouldn't let us test this. We've got over 200 F-550 4x4s 07 and newer.

They all suck the nut, Ford says we work them too hard but we follow their guidelines for regular fluid changes/repairs and they do all our servicing except brakes. We have one 6.4 the keep putting engines in. To boot at 19K lbs we're only seeing 6.5 MPG maybe 7.5 on a good day.

I'm thinking hard about a F-350 CC SB 4x4 but with the 6.2 and 4.30 gears. It may suck the fuel but at least I'll make it to work.

The best truck you can get/build is a Superduty with an 05 325/610 3rd gen CR Cummins in it. I know. I drive one.

Quiet, reliable, zero emissions crap, easy to work on, good power and good fuel economy, in a good, solid truck. What more could you ask for ?

The guys running tuners on their 6.4s are blowing head gaskets. To me that means the guys running stock power will blow them too, just at higher mileages. As far as I am concerned this is totally unacceptable.

To me the 6.7 is already a complete failure. I won't own a diesel that I can't fix. I can fix my 3rd gen CR. Actually its easy to fix because its a simple design and everything is easy to get to.

Ford designed the 6.7. Why did they have to build another stupidly complicated V8 ? Have they not learned their lesson yet ? Why didn't they design an I6 ? The layout is way, way simpler. If it was durable they could have sold some to the MDT truck manufacturers. International desperately needs something other than a "VT365" for their low profile MDTs !

But no... Ford had to design a friggin V8 with a ton of crap on it, like Ford always does. They must make a ton of money selling parts for engines after the warranty runs out.

I'd love to stuff an Isuzu 7.8L I6 into a 2008+ F450. 300 HP, 1000 ftlbs, 1250 pounds, totally reliable. GM uses them in their cab forward trucks.

what kind of company has 200 F-550 4x4s?

Pics or Build on the Superduty with HPCR motor?

Pics or Build on the Superduty with HPCR motor?
I've never really written up the swap, but there are pictures of the truck over on PowerstrokeNation.com. Its also got a full air ride rear suspension.

The best truck you can get/build is a Superduty with an 05 325/610 3rd gen CR Cummins in it. I know. I drive one.

Quiet, reliable, zero emissions crap, easy to work on, good power and good fuel economy, in a good, solid truck. What more could you ask for ?

The guys running tuners on their 6.4s are blowing head gaskets. To me that means the guys running stock power will blow them too, just at higher mileages. As far as I am concerned this is totally unacceptable.

To me the 6.7 is already a complete failure. I won't own a diesel that I can't fix. I can fix my 3rd gen CR. Actually its easy to fix because its a simple design and everything is easy to get to.

Ford designed the 6.7. Why did they have to build another stupidly complicated V8 ? Have they not learned their lesson yet ? Why didn't they design an I6 ? The layout is way, way simpler. If it was durable they could have sold some to the MDT truck manufacturers. International desperately needs something other than a "VT365" for their low profile MDTs !

But no... Ford had to design a friggin V8 with a ton of crap on it, like Ford always does. They must make a ton of money selling parts for engines after the warranty runs out.

I'd love to stuff an Isuzu 7.8L I6 into a 2008+ F450. 300 HP, 1000 ftlbs, 1250 pounds, totally reliable. GM uses them in their cab forward trucks.

Besides the fact that most of the head gasket "issues" with the 6.4's comes from guys running 500+hp and 1000+ft-lb of torque with under $2k in mods you are a little bit behind the times as Navistar has not produced the VT 365 for over 4 years and GM has not put there nameplate on a Isuzu 6HK1-TC powered vehicle for a bit.

Besides the fact that most of the head gasket "issues" with the 6.4's comes from guys running 500+hp and 1000+ft-lb of torque with under $2k in mods I never said it happened with stock engines. But it will.

you are a little bit behind the times as Navistar has not produced the VT 365 for over 4 years

2008 IH 4200 with a VT365. Its new. It still hasn't sold. I wonder why ?
http://www.commercialtrucktrader.com/big-trucks/find/listing/2008-INTERNATIONAL-4200-95733922

GM has not put there nameplate on a Isuzu 6HK1-TC powered vehicle for a bit. True. I should have said "Used" instead of "Uses".

Give me credit for not mentioning that the 6.4s also leak.
http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51531

To say nothing of the regen problems they have or the fact that they were blowing up radiators.

None of this instills any confidence that Ford knows how to build a diesel engine. Oh, I forgot... IH built them. Sure.

None of this instills any confidence that Ford knows how to build a diesel engine. Oh, I forgot... IH built them. Sure.

So whats your point?

NONE of the big 3 have built their own diesels in the past decade.

This proves nothing, much like most of your posts. :shaking:

The best truck you can get/build is a Superduty with an 05 325/610 3rd gen CR Cummins in it. I know. I drive one.

Quiet, reliable, zero emissions crap, easy to work on, good power and good fuel economy, in a good, solid truck. What more could you ask for ?



Can you get this in 4wd?

Doubt it.


The guys running tuners on their 6.4s are blowing head gaskets. To me that means the guys running stock power will blow them too, just at higher mileages. As far as I am concerned this is totally unacceptable.

With that stupid logic you'd better park your truck. 'Cause it isnt a matter of if, but when it will "blow" :shaking:


To me the 6.7 is already a complete failure. I won't own a diesel that I can't fix. I can fix my 3rd gen CR. Actually its easy to fix because its a simple design and everything is easy to get to.

So you buy a truck just to fix it?

Most people want to drive a truck to.... uh... drive a truck.

And why are you always fixin' it? Maybe you should ask yourself??

I never said it happened with stock engines. But it will.





Is that what your crystal ball is telling you.:shaking:

I suspect we were an easy target, we have 5500 light duty vehicles (Tahoes, Exploders, F-150s, 250s, 350s, 450s and 550s) and are one of KW's (if not the) largest customers in the HD market.

Personally I have been stranded many times by 7.3s, 4R100s and 6.0s. Haven't tried a 6.4 yet, but the '08+ sure looks like a nice truck.

what kind of company has 200 F-550 4x4s?


Heavy Equipment

Can you get this in 4wd?

Doubt it.Yes, you can. Why would you doubt it ?



With that stupid logic you'd better park your truck. 'Cause it isnt a matter of if, but when it will "blow" :shaking: Not my truck. But ask a 6.0L owner.

So you buy a truck just to fix it?

Most people want to drive a truck to.... uh... drive a truck.

And why are you always fixin' it? Maybe you should ask yourself??
a) I haven't fixed a thing since my Cummins conversion. Its been 100% bulletproof
b) Of course I don't buy a truck to fix it. But when it does quit, I'd rather not be held hostage to a dealer that i) works on things when they feel like it rather than when I need it, ii) charges $100 an hour and $450 per injector.

Why don't you do a little reading on what some of the 6.0L guys were up against when their engines went off of warranty.

Is that what your crystal ball is telling you.:shaking: Connect the dots, buddy.

2008 IH 4200 with a VT365. Its new. It still hasn't sold. I wonder why ?
http://www.commercialtrucktrader.com/big-trucks/find/listing/2008-INTERNATIONAL-4200-95733922


I also should have said that Navistar had not produced the VT365 for over three years, not four. Note the word used was produced not installed...

Then again you must have missed that whole recession thing that caused most vehicle sales to drop with medium duty trucks being a sector especially hard hit, in this sector you can find all the manufacturers represented if you want to discuss unsold 2008 trucks sitting on lots.

http://www.polk.com/knowledge/pv10/figure1.jpg

And of course you implying that the Navistar VT-365 suffered from from the same maladies and extent thereof as the Ford version just further shows your ignorance.

Can you get this in 4wd?

Doubt it.

:shaking: Because they NEVER made a 4x4 superduty
Did you even read what he said?

:shaking: Because they NEVER made a 4x4 superduty
Did you even read what he said?

Never said they didnt make SD 4x4s

Last I checked you couldnt get a CTD in a factory built Ford unless it was a F650+

So Unless the CTD was a swap into his Ford, it is at minimum a medium duty truck. And I dont think they come in 4x4 unless it is a dealer conversion.

We have one at work too, I will ask to see how its working. F450, it doesn't leave the yard without a 20k trailer, and will spend a ton of time idling, so it won't be seeing any stellar mileage but at least we can see how it does compared to the 6.0/6.4s

Personally I never had any luck with the 7.3 either. But perhaps just bad luck.

Not sure if it's a Cali or a Fed thing, but it won't have much time idling if it's a F450. The F450's and F550's have idle timers of 5 minutes on them.

Not sure if it's a Cali or a Fed thing, but it won't have much time idling if it's a F450. The F450's and F550's have idle timers of 5 minutes on them.

Vehicles over 14K GVWR with 6.4L diesel engines must be equipped with an Engine Shutdown System (ESS) in California and select California Emissions States (Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Maine, North Carolina, New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania).

NOTE: The engine idle shutdown idle timer will not start if:
1) The engine is operating in power take-off (PTO) mode.
2) The engine coolant temperature is below 60° F (16° C).
3) The exhaust emission control device (DPF) is regenerating.

Note 1 makes it a 10 minute job to disable the idle shut down timer (especially easy if you have the upfitter switches) by enabling the PTO mode in the PCM strategy by applying +12v to the PTO wire found in the SEIC wire bundle.

We are also adding Webasto heaters to a lot of the trucks to reduce emmissions. Our old units came with Aux idle controls from Ford, that allowed you to pick RPM (for PTO and such but all we run is the heater and computers and such).

New Numbers (http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/02/ford-announces-2011-super-duty-engine-power-towing-and-hauling-numbers.html)

New Numbers (http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/02/ford-announces-2011-super-duty-engine-power-towing-and-hauling-numbers.html)



:smokin::smokin:

Diesel #s look better then expected. Disapointed in the 6.2, was hoping for torque closer to the 450 mark. Oh well, no manual so I really can't say I would go out of the way to buy one.

What a ugly truck

I'm with 1980Jimmy on this one.. I thought the 08's were OK, but the 2011's are just :barf:
Scott

What a ugly truck

I'm with 1980Jimmy on this one.. I thought the 08's were OK, but the 2011's are just :barf:
Scott

I think they've improved. I'd love to get that 6.2 F-350 CC/SB 4x4 but I'm afraid it won't break the 15 mpg mark.