So here is a brief history of what i got going on here. I bought a wrecked 2001 Dodge 3500 dually truck with 72k on the ticker back in 04. It was pretty straight but had a bent frame. I had the frame straightened to within about a half inch. good enough. Drove it for a couple years until the unit bearings went out, then put a 78 HP Dana 60 under the front with 6" (92-97) ford front leaf springs, with a mixed rear pack plus airbags. Drove it for a couple more years, had a kid and now need a crew-cab. So I figured I'd never get out of my truck what is was worth to me, and cant afford a 03-07 Dodge, so my next best choice for the best crew-cabs is a 73-79 Ford. And just for the record I dont have TV so I knew nothing about the build "superdually" on the TV show "Trucks", my buddy told me about it after I started getting parts. But the show is a great resource for build info

What the hell are you talking about.

I'll be watchin this. i'm goin to start my fummins build soon and am soakin in all the info possible. hurry up wit some pics:grinpimp:

Please don't put the ford body on the dodge frame,

For the love of god

Please don't put the ford body on the dodge frame,

For the love of god

this is what I think he may be talking about if so he should be tied up in the village square and stoned to death.

Montana does good work. Im pretty sure it will be cool no matter what he does.

sorry no pics, didnt realize I let my red star expire, got er all fixed now.


I knew I'd catch some flack for this from the Ford crew, but in the end it'll be more Ford than Dodge so deal with it. The facts are the truck already has the arguably best front axle ever (Ford HP D-60 with 35spl. cro-mo), Ford front and part of the rear suspension, one of the best drivetrains ever (24valve-NV5600-241HD), one of the best light truck rear axles ever (Dana 80), but it still has the stock 1 ton dodge frame which will be beefed in certain areas. While it might not be a tough as a superduty frame, they arent crap.


here are some pics to start with............

here are a few more, I sold the cab for $1500 the day I got it off, and picked up the Ford cab which is pretty straight and only a little surface rust for a 14 bolt:D

this is what I think he may be talking about if so he should be tied up in the village square and stoned to death.

you better go find some rope and a few rocks!:flipoff2:

nice very nice....

Subscribed :smokin:

Damn Chris, no screwin around. You must of started on it as soon as we got back from the hammers. Sweet, holler if ya need a hand, I prob have 3 weeks before I go back to work. And I love the cherry picker!:grinpimp:

Awesome--leather!! :laughing:

this is what I think he may be talking about if so he should be tied up in the village square and stoned to death.

Bust out of Purgatory and come on out to Montana, I'll show you where he lives and you can rally the mob! We must stop this madness!
Internet tough guys UNITE!!!

looks like things will work in my favor, the tape says i will not have to move the drivetrain back 6" or so as the TV show says. When I put the leafs under the front i moved the axle forward about 2" for fender clearance with 37's. I put it together with the offset centerpin ford springs, backwards, with the long side forward for better fitment of hangers and shackles. Now I can flip the springs the correct way, and get the front axle forward the whole 6" I need for proper engine to firewall clearance! I just hope it all works out as good as it looks on the tape!

Bust out of Purgatory and come on out to Montana, I'll show you where he lives and you can rally the mob! We must stop this madness!
Internet tough guys UNITE!!!

Well said, well said!
It truly amazes me what some internet crawlers will say.

Bust out of Purgatory and come on out to Montana, I'll show you where he lives and you can rally the mob! We must stop this madness!
Internet tough guys UNITE!!!

:lmao::lmao: I'll buy the :beer:

Bust out of Purgatory and come on out to Montana, I'll show you where he lives and you can rally the mob! We must stop this madness!
Internet tough guys UNITE!!!

That is some funny shit:lmao::lmao:

Im sure this can be done in a decent way. Just dont cluster fuck it up like those dinks on trucks tv.

will do.

ended up with more caster than needed, about 9-10 degrees. so we built weld in shims to bring it to a much better 5 ish. got the track bar mount modified for the extra 4" forward the axle is now.

thanks for the cool socket/spacer idea mark

this is what I think he may be talking about if so he should be tied up in the village square and stoned to death.

I've never had a lot of brand loyality...

I don't care what brand pulls me out:flipoff2:

Good job Chris.

Well, this should be a good build:grinpimp:
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update........................



power-washed the engine and under the cab,

gutted the crap out of the inside

finished up the caster shims on the axle

test fit the body, looking really good, a little clearancing for the down pipe off the turbo on the firewall. everything else as far as engine/trans to cab clearance is looking great, she's gunna set right down in place soon. this is how they should've come stock in 2001.........with a 78 cab:smokin:

as long as my tape isnt a liar, my front axle will be about 2" forward from what a stock 79 ford is...................thats perfect

gunna go get a front clip tomarrow

1 more............

Subscribed. If I get sick of the dodge cab or other dodge components anytime soon, I will be looking for a newer Ford chassis to throw my motor and other dodge stuff into as well.

Good luck. :smokin:

That was a good looking Dodge. Can't wait to see the end result. Subscribed.

With my dealings in these old fords it looks as though the cab may be to far back to center up the fenderwhells. I may be wrong but it looks off.

yet another sweet crew cab by montana, i'm looking forward to this one :smokin: What's the plan for a bed? Flatbed? Cut down factory bed?

With my dealings in these old fords it looks as though the cab may be to far back to center up the fenderwhells. I may be wrong but it looks off.

Agreed, the axle looks to be more than 2" forward for fender to tire clearance than stock configuration. Great looking build going so far, subscribing.

You also got a sweet deal on that cab.

Just for shits I pulled a measurement on my crew. From the front door, lower part by the body line, it is 28 1/2-29" to the center of the front axle.

Lookin good Chris! But whats with this hair do? Missed a little strip on the side!:laughing::laughing::flipoff2:

Jus playin Tyson:D

A trucks truck, a ford wrapped cummins,and a 78 dana 60. good job. br0nc0xrapt0r lets see some pictures of your chevy love or your honda. Have you ever been around a Ford or a Dodge? Last but not least 79 is not a money pit? You do know that was the last year for that body style.

Subscribed....loving the classic builds.

for the bed..................it will be something to the tune of a hybrid rockcrawler style and functional pickup work truck style. I need one with plenty of storage for doing mobile welding jobs/camping/wheelin/chase truckin/wildland firefighting and just doin what i do. there will be 6' boxes on each side with an extra fuel tank hopefully about 40 gallon where the spare tire used to be. plus two boxes built into the bed for chains other stuff.

I think it lookin pretty good...........................





thanks for the good deal on the front clip Tyson!

Are you going to be using the body molding? If not I'd be interested in the rear door pieces and the small section of molding on the pillar between the front and rear doors.

don't have it, sorry ranger429. wasnt planning on it anyway.

Subscriped

always like your work

This is gonna be awsome when its done! Love the idea

F@#ked
Over
Rebuilt
Dodge

:laughing:Joe's response.:laughing:

Watching this build!

And it's First
On
Race
Day!!

Or For
Only
Real
Driver's!!

Watching this build!

And it's First
On
Rear
Dolly!!

Or For
Only
Retarded
Driver's!!

:flipoff2: Had to do it.

Subscribed. Can't wait to see how it turns out :smokin:

Watching this build!

And it's First
On
Race
Day!!

Or For
Only
Real
Driver's!!

But neither of them are true and have nothing to do with the Dodge chassis:flipoff2:

Back to the build, when's the next work party?

Gonna be a nice DD!

lovin it so far, so what if it's been done, this one is yours. Love seein someone building thier dream, thier idea of the idea of the ultimate truck to them. And doing ti with the resources on hand i.e on a budget. Keep the build coming!!!!

I rarely wander in here, even though I am a Ford fan.

This thing is AWESOME.

LOVE the gold paint too!:grinpimp:

this afternoon the plan was to do a clutch with the body off, picked up a "heavy-duty" one from Napa, last I checked "heavy duty" did not consist of plastic clutch disc hub parts, from china!:shaking: getting a Valair Kevlar/ceramic order in tomarrow. thanks for the help Ben!



moved on to re-setting the body on the frame ready for tomorrows body mounting session

got good clearance on the back of the valve cover and exhaust brake can, with an absolutely perfect spacing wheel to fender

the insulation for the firewall hopefully will be here tomorrow too

got the exhaust insulation wrap on the down pipe too. it gets pretty close to the kick panel, and at temps of 1000* cant have Mama's toes burning up! wait, they're always cold anyway, mabey I should take it off, na, she'll just get a blanky

got the body mounts mocked up, burn em in tomorrow. then fit a radiator

This weekend I got the front clip and cab squared up and mounted, core support cut out to fit the WAY bigger radiator, got it mounted, got the air-air and condenser mounted, be waiting for the clutch now.

Stopped and took a peek.:smokin:

nice build!! I'll be watchin this one!!

Man, it sounds like its coming together nicely! I can't wait to see it when its all said and done

I'm getting kinda sick of waiting for parts at this point, everything is late or not what I ordered, like the seats, and the clutch........anyway, got some other stuff done like insulation and undercoating.......and the best operator I have running the machine!

WOOOHOOOO! parts showed up yesterday! I put the very good looking HD towing clutch from Valair in. I went with a full organic friction material with the heavy duty hub (no plastic) and pressure plate. The Valair guy said these are good for 400hp and 900lbft, with excellent drive-ability when towing, that should be plenty for me, my motor isnt that hot, and wont be, I want to see it turn 500k. and it was only 387 to my door! thats about 30 bucks more than the Chinese plastic Napa one



Got the cab back on for the last time hopefully! radiator in, air-air in, front clip on.............

today will be finish t-case shifter that hangs off the trans versus the body how the dodge was. and brake/clutch master cylinders.

more..........

<--- Drooling.....

Coming together!! :smokin:

What the difference, besides the brands, between your Valair clutch and a South Bend HD clutch. I've never heard of Valair and am curious how they compare.

Totally Sweet!!!!!

Valair is a new company to the light truck market, been doing OTR truck clutches for longer, my friend Tyson turned me on to them, great prices, great product made in Texas. that sums it up

had a couple slow days then on sunday a bunch came together.


-I got the Dodge clutch master and slave in,
-the Dodge hydrobooster in, had to beef up the fire wall for the clutch and build -a adapter plate so the stock M.C. support would do its job,
-r. driveshaft in,
-f. driveshaft in,
-radiator-air to air- a/c condester in for the last time,
-pipeing for the turbo (I had to shorten them both about 2") radiator hoses fit perfect,
-fan shroud fit perfect with a little trimming off the bottom (it sits about 2" higher than in a dodge)
-floor mat back in with insulation
-borgeson universal steering shaft in


-it doesnt look like the stock A/C box that goes on the firewall will fit very easy, looking into mabey trying a chevy system that all goes under dash

At least you picked one of the most badass body styles to put on that frame. Look'n good - you have a lot of space and nice equipment to work with :flipoff2:

I had my doubts at first but this is clearly bad ass.

I know.............:flipoff2:

Looks good Chris

got some more done......


- T-case shifter is done, (built from a Chevy t-case shifter!) I built a girdle type thing to support the shifter off the body, like the dodge. Before i put the body on for the last time i built the shifter to hang off the trans, I had to scrap that idea cuz the lever had too much throw at the floor, no shifter boot could work. I am happy with this, its strong and works

- trans tunnel is cut out, patched and insulated like the rest of the cab........coated with spray can bed liner......looks good

Top notch work! As always.:grinpimp:

Can't wait to see it on the road!

Geez Chris....You weren't kidding when you said you were very busy lately. Looks good and your kid is getting big!!! Man how time flies.

:grinpimp: Very Cool!

the excavator was leaving today, so it was time to wad up the old dodge box and put it in the scrap trailer

ENOUGH HORSEPLAY NOW GET BACK TO WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




rewired the roof for speakers, and dome lights, insulation in, test fit the seats form a 05 Dodge crewcab..................


I love the cowl hood on a friends superduty, I gotta have one too

Ever thought about building a heat exchanger hood instead of a cowl hood?

Gonna be a nice rig when done. Last time I saw that truck it was a dually, do you like the H1s for towing?

-I got the Dodge clutch master and slave in,
-the Dodge hydrobooster in, had to beef up the fire wall for the clutch and build -a adapter plate so the stock M.C. support would do its job,


Reminds me, I have to beef my firewall up too, that hydro boost is heavy!

Damn now your thread is making me want to go tackle my Fummins.

The 37's tow fine, they have a wieght cap of 3700 or something, and my new 12 bolts match that cap.,where the 8 bolts are like 2800. the only draw back is the loss in torque with 3.55s, really thinkin about going to 4.10s as i will be running mostly 37's from here on out

For the AC, look into an indash aftermarket system, lots of 70s fords are running around with them. My highboy came with one, it's behind the glovebox, and takes up most of the glovebox, but the controls and the vents are all in the dash. I've heard that these worked way better than the factory units. This is the setup in my 75 with a cummins. That truck was going to get my 4dr cab, but this week I picked up a 95 ram rollover, cummins, 5spd, 4wd at auction. If the frame is straight, I'll be building a second truck and copying some of your ideas:p

the only draw back is the loss in torque with 3.55s, really thinkin about going to 4.10s as i will be running mostly 37's from here on out

Same here(4.10's), calculates out to a nice 2-2200rpm's at cruising speed with the NV5600. Not to mention your clutch will like you more.

I'm getting a little flustered with the seats, I am 6'6", so i need a bit more head room than most. These dodge seats sit a little on the tall side, even with all the brackets cut off. But its not the seats, its the ford floor, it is what sits tall, i hope i dont have to butcher it:mad3:

the cutting begins..................

the cutting begins..................

RUTTROOOOO !!! :flipoff2: :beer:

it aint gunna be that bad i guess, MUST KEEP FORWARD PROGRESS!

I just put some Isuzu trooper seats in my F150 and ran into the same thing. Cut the brackets and set them on the floor in the middle, then raised the outside bracket to keep em level.

I am not 6.6 though, now I can see over the steering wheel:flipoff2:

hi justin, you guys doin moab this spring?

hi justin, you guys doin moab this spring?

Yeah, April 12-16. Got cabins at Slick Rock, should be there Sunday sometime.

The truck looks awesome. this is what i have wanted to do for a long time.

Kevin and Dan up at Valair are awesome to deal with. Me and my buddy went up there to their shop to put the first ever dual disc valair made for an OBS stroke into his truck. Well needless to say we had the tranny in and out of the truck 8 times that day but it just was not right, and when it was time to go Dan gave us a BRAND NEW single disc full feramic clutch to put in and drive on while he fixed the dual disc issues. That was last year, and needless to say that dual disc is fawken sweet when we got it back about a month later. They have some of THE best customer service.

todays plan is to get the seats in and start working on the cowl hood

got lots done in the past couple days, i'll post pics tomarrow

-cowl hood roughed in

-front seats in

-front shock mounts

-welded up seams on top-back of cab so the sealant doesnt start cracking over time



NEXT....................


-hopfully get enough time tomarrow to mount up the new set of 12 bolt H-1's and military OZ 37's

-get the mid cab rubber bumpers in now that the floor is done

I am diggin this build! I wish I could find a good crew cab around these parts to do a build off of!

the cutting begins..................

I know the feeling! :laughing: I notched my buggy's frame for seat clearance to make headroom!

Why are you going 12-bolt H1 rims...you had 8-bolt before, right? :grinpimp: bling factor?

yep, the extra 4 bolts put me on the "next level" of bling:laughing:


really, (someone will correct me i'm sure!) the 8 bolts have something like a 2800 pound weight rating, and the 12's have a 3200 to match the 37" radials weight cap. plus a different design, the outer piece is one with the 8 lug WMS instead of having the inside part as the WMS and a way better O-ring surface

If you really wanted to be hardcore, take the back half of a 78/79 bronco and mate it to the back of the crew cab and have a "Donco":smokin:

If you really wanted to be hardcore, take the back half of a 78/79 bronco and mate it to the back of the crew cab and have a "Donco":smokin:

this is a rare photo of the illusive fordonco, probably a ancient decedent of a "donco". Then and now pics, of course

got lots done in the past couple days, i'll post pics tomarrow

-cowl hood roughed in

-front seats in

-front shock mounts

-welded up seams on top-back of cab so the sealant doesnt start cracking over time



NEXT....................


-hopfully get enough time tomarrow to mount up the new set of 12 bolt H-1's and military OZ 37's

-get the mid cab rubber bumpers in now that the floor is done


Where are the pics? I want to see how the hood turned out.

Where are the pics? I want to see how the hood turned out.

The hood turned out sweet !! :flipoff2: checked it out this weekend :smokin:

pics are needed though !!!!

this is a rare photo of the illusive fordonco, probably a ancient decedent of a "donco". Then and now pics, of course

It has a cousin in Helena with an F-150 body on a 78 Bronco frame. :laughing:

Stock, of course, just like the Fordonco.

TTT for updates!!!!


As always, your work kicks major ass!!!!

john

been very busy lately, and been more in to working on the rig than posting pics, i will soon though. she's almost running!

here are some cummins 24 valve wiring diagrams that are helpful......

http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/cummins/2ndgen24v/wiring/wiring.htm

ITS ALIVE! Ive been working on it as much as I can lately and its paying off. The wiring seem to be right but i have a hard starting issue. I am only running on one optima, so i think its a low voltage at starting thing, i think, 9.6v seems pretty low during start. I will go get a new battery lug for the second one tomorrow and hopefully it will cure. It runs great when running, just starts hard.

I built some shock hoops since my old setup would not work with the axle moved forward

the wiring is almost done

the seats out of a 2005 dodge crew fit nicely after i cut out the floor and lowwerd it 2":shaking:

the stock rear bench with a cover will go back in

.......now i get to do some fabn. building a bumper and utility bed.

got the boost, pyro, and low fuel press. pod done, it will set in the middle of the dash by the windshield.

three of the 12 bolts are mounted by i'm missing one of the inner beadlock pieces. the one that can come out easy. anybody got one?

i bent up a console for switches, a CB, my edge comp.

i know the wiring is a mess, i wadded it back into the dash to do some painting. It'll get finished nice

Heck ya! Keep up the progress!

I've had similar thoughts of doing something like this down the road when the body falls off of my '07 Dodge Cummins!

:grinpimp:

second batt. hooked up, still hard starting. i have 10.6v at the VP-44 during cranking, that should be enough. getting a little flustered:mad3: i'll get it...............

DUHHHH! with the Painless 18 fuse hot rod wire harness i got to re-wire the cab and some other stuff, which i might add went pretty painless! anyway, i used the electric fuel pump wire for my (ing.+) for the cummins computer. well I'm a big dummy:shaking: cuz the fuel pump wasnt getting power while cranking which wansnt giving the computer the switched 12v. that it wanted. it was getting all the other power to the VP-44 and stuff, but that explains the hard starting.


It starts great now, just like it used to. :D:D:D


now to get some of the dash put together:stirthepot:

Big dummy!!

:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

Big dummy!!

Big Dummy, Big Dummy!! :laughing:

:beer::beer: Thats friggin' sweet Chris !!! glad to hear ya figured it out .....now lets see some tubework !!:flipoff2:

I'm confused....wouldn't you want a fuel pump to have 12v while starting?

Painless problem or big dummy?

i sure would think so Justin but i have the painless kit hooked to the ford ignition switch the way they want.?????? I rewired my lift pump for the same problem. The cummins computer tells the lift pump when to turn on and off, and it wasnt pumping while cranking. I used the "87a" on my VP-44 relay, so now when the key is on, the pump is pumping:D

Roger.

I wired everything "switched" off a single 80 amp contactor for that reason. No relays just a seconday fuse box.

We knew you would figure it out. :beer:


Leaving on SAT for Moab!

Edit: Found that if you use the hot/run/start off the Duraspark wiring to trigger then you are golden like a shower.

all im using from the Ford wiring is the ing. switch itself, the ing. pigtail, the headlight switch, the wiper switch and pigtails., so no duraspark (its a diesel,:flipoff2:)

have fun in moab! be sure to send or post some pics!

THE MAIDEN VOYAGE! It went good, it was short, no issues. I still have to program the tach and speedo, I'm looking for some specs on the cam position sensor, like how many pulses per rev. ?

Dash is back together

minus a rear seat cover, and the head liner and door panels the interior is done

Looks good man. You do some nice work.

I probably missed it, but what is that front bench seat out of?

its the 40/20/40 out of a 2005 Dodge crew SLT, with power seat and console

Was it windy in that cab? Looking great, whats the color plans for the body. I like the hood it came out nice.

hood pin mounts, no room for stock hood latch


door panels, 3/8 plywood, 1/2 insulation, gray velvet, thanks for the help Dave!


engine compartment done except a mount for the air filter/heat shield




yes, a bit windy, like the crawler:D

paint will be 2008 superduty "dark stone"

:beer::beer:

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=515371&stc=1&d=1271035762

How do you get out? :homer:

got the tach workin, couldn't find anyone to tell me how many pulses per rev., so i narrowed it down the hard/long way. The cam has 72 teeth, with one sensor pickup. we didnt know if the sensor worked off the teeth or the one pickup. the one tooth seems to be the pickup, because for one full rotation of the cam the crank moves two revs. I put this code into the isspro tach, and badaboom! its idles at 750 on the tach(thats good) and seems to follow the rpm by sound and footfeed. I guess untill i get real numbers from someone this will work. By the way the tach wire for a 24 valve cummins is pin 45 on the ECM (GRY/BLK on the plug on the top of the engine on firewall. So it was setting #2 on a electronic Isspro tach w/ dip switches) i hope this helps someone for the frusration i have dealt with:beer::beer::beer:

How do you get out? :homer:

haha ya X2 do u have some poppers in dat shit with dash push button lol??

got the tach workin, couldn't find anyone to tell me how many pulses per rev., so i narrowed it down the hard/long way. The cam has 72 teeth, with one sensor pickup. we didnt know if the sensor worked off the teeth or the one pickup. the one tooth seems to be the pickup, because for one full rotation of the cam the crank moves two revs. I put this code into the isspro tach, and badaboom! its idles at 750 on the tach(thats good) and seems to follow the rpm by sound and footfeed. I guess untill i get real numbers from someone this will work. By the way the tach wire for a 24 valve is pin 45 on the ECM (GRY/BLK on the plug on the top of the engine on firewall):beer::beer::beer:


Not sure if you talked to these guys yet but Google ford cummins Great Falls and you should come up with a company up there. I can't remember their name at this time but they are good to talk to and they have a wealth of knowledge! Hope this helps.

Very nice .

got some real stuff done in the last two days.....got the main part of the flatbed built and its turning out nice, plumbed some of the tubes for an air tank and pressure tested, welded the main part up, and painted the underneath............oofda!

Today is my last day to tie up loose ends before i get to take the truck on a road trip to Oregon. Its gunna be fun. With the help of a few friends, the Fodge is as ready as its gunna get. I lost my camera charger so pics are in wheelin66's hands. The bed is turning out sweet, jast how i have it in my head. [I] worked on it till 2:30 last night. I have mt vehicle inspection here this a.m., and title workthis afternoon, i hop all goes well..................

good luck man. badass build

If you rebody a vehicle you have to retitle it in Montana? Technically, here in California at least, it would still be registered the same as if it still had the Dodge body on it. California pretty much goes by chassis and engine. If you register a vehicle it will be titled (year model) by the chassis number (the VIN would remain the same) and if you upgrade the engine (on a vehicle new enough to be covered by emissions testing) you will be held to the emissions standards of the newer engine. Upgrades are allowed to an engine if it reduces emissions and improves efficiency (like changing from carb to FI).

I hope your trip goes well! Anxious to see the finished product.

Ya, Montana is wierd about titles. Here the title goes with the vin, and the vin says what vehicle it is. Chris sold his cab with the title. He bought his cab at a junk yard that didn't have a title for it. So he's bacially getting a title for a 79 Ford which is perfect.
I'll try to upload the most recent pics tomorrow.

Wow, that opens up some cool possibilities. I like those laws. What happens when the truck is so early it does not have a VIN, just go by the body number? You can rebody any new truck and register it as the earlier year, thats great! Wish you could do that here. You could avoid smog laws completely.

Wow, that opens up some cool possibilities. I like those laws. What happens when the truck is so early it does not have a VIN, just go by the body number? You can rebody any new truck and register it as the earlier year, thats great! Wish you could do that here. You could avoid smog laws completely.

I'm pretty sure in CA if you show up with a truck that looks like a 79 Ford (or whatever) and a matching title, they aren't gonna care what frame is under it. It will be titled as a 79. Now, with the diesel, you'd have to get the title changed to reflect the diesel which shouldn't be a biggie, since in this case, the diesel is 2 decades NEWER than the truck. While the state may technically care where the frame came from, I would never tell them I did it. It would confuse the DMV retard and it would no doubt cause you nightmares.
Travis..

Wow, that opens up some cool possibilities. I like those laws. What happens when the truck is so early it does not have a VIN, just go by the body number?

What you'd want to do in this case is have DMV issue you a new VIN BEFORE you decide to modify the vehicle. Old vehicles with no VIN typically used the block number which sucks, because the original engine is rarely with a 40+ year old vehicle. Once you had your title in hand, modify the vehicle at will. Sorry, enough of the hijack.
Travis..

I agree if he bought a cab from a wrecking yard with a VIN and a title all would go as you say. Remember if you are registering a special construction or salvage vehicle in California it will probably have to go to a referee station for a thorough check over.

Montana is really easy to deal with when it comes titles. I would take a guess that he got a bonded title for it.

As far as vehicle inspections, as long as the paperwork is in order it is what you say it is.

He got his title work all done on friday and was off on his trip.
Here are the pictures of the finishing touches of the flatbed. When he gets back he'll finish up a few things and get it all painted.

thanks tyson!

ya there is some more bending and weldin to do to finnish up the bed. and get the sliders and bumper done.

the trip out here went great other than the crazy rain storm in SE WA, and then the wiper motor fell out from underneath the dash. got er bolted back on, and we were good to go. that was the only glitch so far. I'm gettin 17 ish mpg too. that calculated off gallons and miles since i got no speedo yet

I think I finally found how to make a cowl hood for my '90 Ford without trying to graft fiberglass to the existing hood! Nice build BTW :smokin:

thanks tyson!

ya there is some more bending and weldin to do to finnish up the bed. and get the sliders and bumper done.

the trip out here went great other than the crazy rain storm in SE WA, and then the wiper motor fell out from underneath the dash. got er bolted back on, and we were good to go. that was the only glitch so far. I'm gettin 17 ish mpg too. that calculated off gallons and miles since i got no speedo yet

Right on, glad you made it. Have a good vaca.

well, we got back from our trip and she did great. I love my truck!!!! gettin the new 37's mounted up today. Thanks 100dollarman for sending that part for free!!!!!!!!!!:beer::beer::beer:

Sweet!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=517197&stc=1&d=1271686819

Are you going to skin the tubing in? It'll look like a TT!!

The truck looks sick man!! I would love to see a couple full truck pictures when you get a chance.

I also have a couple of questions. How did you insulate the cab from the noise? Is it louder or quieter than the dodge was? Also can you get some detailed pics of the hydroboost system on the ford firewall, as well as the inside, and how you modified the pedals for the brakes and slave cylinder?

I just picked up a 79 f250 4x4 with plans of putting a p-pumped 24v in it over the summer.

thanks, Austin

It looks great. I can't wait to see everything all finished and buttoned up

Yup, lookin' great. Love the bed:grinpimp:
Travis..

well, we got back from our trip and she did great. I love my truck!!!! gettin the new 37's mounted up today. Thanks 100dollarman for sending that part for free!!!!!!!!!!:beer::beer::beer:



Truck looks great! Glad you made it ok.

Thank you for the biz!!!:beer:

Great job so far on the swap def puts spike tvs truck to shame haha

Im lovin the bed, i really like the way it looks without boxes but thats just me

keep up the great work

Totalled likes this. :flipoff2:

a few more thing done on the bed.............hopefully i can get it primed by tonight

here are some better pics of the "bullet" tube ends and stuff finished

I love the Montana ingenuity you guys have (Wheelin66 love the free spin conversion). Makes me proud to be born and raised in MT, someday I will move back there!:D
What color are you going to paint the cab? I like the cowl hood turnout too.
More pics please, interior, engine compartment, etc.

A buddy of mine here in AK took a 73 hiboy and put a 99 Cummins into it, it turned out pretty cool, even has auto start!:smokin:
Keep up the great work guys, and you cant beat Western Montana for a place to call home, that is for sure.

Thanks Fordcummins!



got it primed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll shoot the paint at about midnight, i got the wood stove blazin, the primer should be just right.....

That bed is :grinpimp:. How much ground clearence do you have under the tail of the bed?

The truck looks sick man!! I would love to see a couple full truck pictures when you get a chance.

I also have a couple of questions. How did you insulate the cab from the noise? Is it louder or quieter than the dodge was? Also can you get some detailed pics of the hydroboost system on the ford firewall, as well as the inside, and how you modified the pedals for the brakes and slave cylinder?

I just picked up a 79 f250 4x4 with plans of putting a p-pumped 24v in it over the summer.

thanks, Austin

bumpity so you see this. haha

like said above this thing is badass.

This thing rocks! the Kid(s) are getting one hell of a back seat to ride in!!!! :D

good work.

thanks, i have 25" at the hitch with nothing in the airbags. kinda gives it the prerunner look.:smokin: she sits level with 15-20 psi in the bags.

it has about a 30 degree departure angle with nothing in the bags too.


as far as the insulation and noise.... it has the stock behind the firewall insulation, and i used that foil faced 1/2" thick on the engine side of the firewall, the entire floor, roof, and doors. I think i need to put another layer under the trans cover. and a bit of shifter boot work. I'm getting a little too much noise from that area for the little lady's liking. My one year old son loves riding and "driving" up the driveway. He makes the motor sound and everything, it pretty cute, he love his trucks!

its all Dodge hydroboost and hydraulic clutch parts, i threaded the hyrdo. pushrod to shorten and used a yoke for adjustibility. the clutch wasnt bad either.

i still have to get new boost and pyro gauges, and a steering wheel



i did a little ducting work for the heater so it blows on both feet from between the driver and pass. feet area, not from the middle of the cab cooking one of your feet while the other is cold. fixing a common "old truck" problem

couple more..........




thats a heatshield/mount for the airfilter

did i mention i love my new truck?:D

Lookin great! Look for a product called "quiet car" My buddy used that on his 73 conversion project, put it in the doors, firewall, floor, hood, etc. It helped a bunch with noise and vibration. It is just a roll on product like a DIY bedliner.

as far as the insulation and noise.... it has the stock behind the firewall insulation, and i used that foil faced 1/2" thick on the engine side of the firewall, the entire floor, roof, and doors. I think i need to put another layer under the trans cover. and a bit of shifter boot work. I'm getting a little too much noise from that area for the little lady's liking. My one year old son loves riding and "driving" up the driveway. He makes the motor sound and everything, it pretty cute, he love his trucks!



Sounds like it will be nice and tight in that cab! Your son is on the right track! Sounds like me only 24 years younger!!!

When i was little my dad had a blue 85 F350... i cried the day they sold it in say 89. :(

keep it up, I saw this build when I 1st joined on here, awesome progress

oh yeah.........

brother it looks awesome. I am going with the Hummer wheels and tires on my Ranger too. Glad to see what they look like on another rig before i go pick them up

That thing is turning out sick man! I'll be in NW Montana this fall elk hunting, and if I run into you I will for sure have to check it out in person!

When ya gonna throw some paint on the cab?

maybe sometime this summer, the multi-color is kinda growing on me for now, plus there is lots of other things to do like a front bumper

What kinda bumper you gonna build? I had Twinkle Welding over in Libby build me one for my 05 a few years ago when I was down there, I really like that form bumper look. I built a couple like it on my other rigs.
The rig is turning out nice, I like the bed, very functional.
Here is a pic of some of our Alaska Conversions and maybe some bumper ideas, we built both ours for the Fords.
Blue 72 Chevy has a 12V- 370 inj and HX40 turbo in it, My 90 F-350 has a 12V in it and the 73 F-250 Hiboy has a 24V in it with auto start.:D
http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k398/fordcummins/IMG_1034.jpg

it'll be a rendition of this one i built for my truck when it was a dadge, but to follow the 79 ford lines

this one was for a ford:D

Nice, I like them. I like the bumper/brush guard combo, cool idea on the angles on the uprights. Might have to steel that on the next one.:smokin:

bamf!

you are pretty much building my dream truck, I am a little jealous

here's a few from a bit of snow wheelin we did yesterday

Your truck is totally awesome. Great build. Your donco is cool and at the same time totally redonculous. J/K:D:D

Nice rig....great fab skills

Just wondering how you are able to run those H1s with factory backspacing without rubbing your leaf springs and such. I've got an 88 I'm SASing and I want these wheels, but am worried about the 7" of BS.

The 2001 Dodge ram 3500 that the "Fodge" was built on was and still is a dually with wide rear axle. when i did the HP dana 60/leafspring swap about 2 years ago, i used dually front spacers on the single wheel front hub. This way i can switch to the dualls if im gunna be towwin heavy. I'm looking for stock ford dually front hubs to eliminate the spacers if anyone knows of any, i want them!

but anyway thats how i run the H-1's, they are on dually axles:D

The Fodge came out awesome! Dump bed is cool. Any plans to enclose the front of the rear tires with maybe a mudflap or tin that ties in with the rubrail/step?

I know you have a color picked out, I like to two tone blue combo of the drivers door and left front fender. Maybe a two tone on your original color choice with a lighter silver in the middle? I just think these body style Fords lend themselves to the two tone look easily.

I agree on the color scheme, we'll see. The space in front of the rear tire is were "wet" boxes with screen floor will be for storage for the 4 removable side steps. It'll be sweet

The 2001 Dodge ram 3500 that the "Fodge" was built on was and still is a dually with wide rear axle. when i did the HP dana 60/leafspring swap about 2 years ago, i used dually front spacers on the single wheel front hub. This way i can switch to the dualls if im gunna be towwin heavy. I'm looking for stock ford dually front hubs to eliminate the spacers if anyone knows of any, i want them!

but anyway thats how i run the H-1's, they are on dually axles:D

I just bought a dually dana 60 that comes with the single wheel hubs as well. I would be willing to sell the dual wheel ones once I get them here and changed out.

Looks great, what do the holes in the hood do vent heat out through the cowl?

yep, as i'm bombin down the hiway hot air rises up and gets pushed out the cowl instead of being pushed ONLY out the bottom. at least thats my theory. but it works....... and looks cool

Hey thanks for the ride in Moyie :smokin:

The "Fodge" turns heads like no other:grinpimp: and I dont think I actually have ever climbed a sandhill in a truck loaded with a camper :eek:

That was insane !!! and very cool!! :mr-t: too bad they wouldnt let us in the pit...fawkin assclowns!!! :shaking:

Thanks again:beer::beer:

almost done with the new rock sliders/steps.......lookin good. pics soon


I picked up a warn 12k today for a screamin deal! THANKS BRONCO-JOHN!

good deal. the old ones didnt really fit the new cab.

I've never had a lot of brand loyality...

I don't care what brand pulls me out:flipoff2:

Good job Chris.

no brand loyalty you should be roped and stoned.

no brand loyalty you should be roped and stoned.


Yea, you tell him.:mr-t:

Raaaawwwwrrr.

:laughing:

no brand loyalty you should be roped and stoned.

there it is again, internet tough guys:shaking:

hey Buck mabey they will put us in the same "village square" and they will stone us to death together! yippie!!!!

Cuz I sure as shit dont have alot of brand loyalty, look at my truck. I can not afford to buy crap! so I take the best from every brand, year, model, ect. and try to put it together into one. isnt that what we all do?



Jake, we might need some help on this one

there it is again, internet tough guys:shaking:



Just look at his user name, he can't think outside the box.

no brand loyalty you should be roped and stoned.

On this forum? :shaking:

My Toyota has Chevy and Ford parts.

How many Jeeps out there are all Jeep?
Do you attack EB guys who run 14b rears?

Moron.

Just look at his user name, he can't think outside the box.

On this forum? :shaking:

My Toyota has Chevy and Ford parts.

How many Jeeps out there are all Jeep?
Do you attack EB guys who run 14b rears?

Moron.

I don't know the guy and have no horse in this race, but I took his comment as "tongue in cheek." Maybe I am wrong. I think you guys should see a doctor about getting something to reduce the swelling in your piss flaps. Now if he was serious, then continue. Just saying...

Enjoying the build, looking like it is going to be one hell of a truck when you are fully done.

Jack

Patiently waiting on new slider pics (where the hell's the toe tap smiley:mad3:):flipoff2:
Travis..

Patiently waiting on new slider pics (where the hell's the toe tap smiley:mad3:):flipoff2:
Travis..

x2

He didn't really build sliders, he just said he did. And he sold his welder so I doubt there will be any more build progress :evil::D

Patiently waiting on new slider pics (where the hell's the toe tap smiley:mad3:):flipoff2:
Travis..

HE HE HE!!!

:flipoff2:

Damn it looks good! I am not not a fan of flatbeds but I really like yours.

That right there is how a truck is supposed to look:grinpimp: Get some paint on that thing and she'll look fantastic. I know you said some kind of grey, but that factory gold is killer (not joking).
Travis..

HE HE HE!!!

:flipoff2:

You caught Crystal hanging out at the Bandit didn't you:D

it looks great. A sweet Dark Shadow Grey or Gunmetal paint job, :drooling:

You caught Crystal hanging out at the Bandit didn't you:D

Hmmmm

:D

And he sold his welder so I doubt there will be any more build progress :evil::D

WTF! :shaking:

WTF! :shaking:

it was a joke.

I read this thread a while back, can't remember/ too little time to re-read it now, but did you install/ are you planning any power adders or anything for the engine?

WTF! :shaking:

Kidding Dave, Kidding!! I know it's late and your tired :D

hah! the fodge was sniper'd! yeah, momma was down at the bandit earnin her keep:D I think Tuck was sleepin in the truck:D:D

i have an Edge Comp chip, 4" turbo back, jacobs exhaust brake, huge industrial air filter. she runs good and pulls hard. mabey someday a set of mild injectors and a P-pump:stirthepot:

i have an Edge Comp chip, 4" turbo back, jacobs exhaust brake, huge industrial air filter. she runs good and pulls hard. mabey someday a set of mild injectors and a P-pump:stirthepot:

And a Size 14 connected to the stupid pedal! :laughing:

Kidding Dave, Kidding!! I know it's late and your tired :D

:flipoff2: Good one Tyson!

See you fuckers tonight!:grinpimp:

:bounce2::beer::bounce::beer::jester::beer::beer:

:flipoff2: Good one Tyson!

See you fuckers tonight!:grinpimp:

:bounce2::beer::bounce::beer::jester::beer::beer:

X2....are we there yet ?..are we there yet..are we there yet??:bounce2:

did a little wheelin up at Blacktail OHV this weekend for Tysons funeral.....i mean bachelor party:laughing:

Our friend Doug made this bitchin trophy thing for tyson "mister luck"





The Fodge impressed me. It did really good for being open diffs with 3.55's. I think before too long i will be doing some 4.10's, and hopefully a ARB for the rear, since the 37's will be the tire that is on it 99% of the time. The 3.55s are good unloaded on the hiway, but towing and offroad the 4.10s is where its at










this was the only place i needed a tug

more


on the scales the Fodge sits comfy at 8800.

I air'd down to about 20psi. that gave me the good squish, not to soft but soft enough. H-1s with double bead locks did fine


here are some of the other rigs up there........The Militia














Best Wishes Tyson!

The Fodge impressed me. It did really good for being open diffs with 3.55's. I think before too long i will be doing some 4.10's, and hopefully a ARB for the rear, since the 37's will be the tire that is on it 99% of the time. The 3.55s are good unloaded on the hiway, but towing and offroad the 4.10s is where its at


this was the only place i needed a tug


Great seeing the Fodge in person. You did great open-open considering the places you were going...especially with hard RTII's!!

Not discounting your truck, but I think a good bit of skill was involved, too!
No shame in getting a tug from a 3,000lb rig. :flipoff2:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=882&pictureid=7856

The FODGE rollin some coal.... :smokin:

YouTube - The "FODGE" !!!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS-_49DSwwE).

ya, the 3k f-toy pullin a 9k tank! sweet!

thanks for the u-tube tony


couple nite shots

got the boxes and mama's steps done today, next the bumper:stirthepot:

got the boxes and mama's steps done today, next the bumper:stirthepot:

Custom bumpers are for pussies. I thought you were going to stick to chrome!? :flipoff2:

I see overspray from the sliders on the cab..is the lack of masking an omen of the cab color to come?

i really considered shooting it black last night, but i'm not sure yet, i think an army greenish would look good


i bumped a tree up at blacktail on one of those narrow bypasses around a hole, found that it pushed the stock bumper back and hit my driver fender and put a little crease in it. oh well. it pushed back pretty easy.those Autofab baja fenders sure would look sweet!!!!!!!too bad a pair is about $600

pics

have a look in this thread.
we are slowly developing a better alternative for us 70's ford owners..
http://www.desertrides.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7258&start=960

That's one badass truck. Great looking build

i really considered shooting it black last night, but i'm not sure yet, i think an army greenish would look good

ARPAT!!

http://www.hyperstealth.com/UCP.jpg

I think $600 towards that ARB might not look as cool as the glass but might be a little more functional. Too bad you are leaving so soon, a full size diesel wheeling day will have to wait till you get back in the fall.

you know me....all show no go! the rear ARB and 4.10s will come way sooner than the glass fenders, trust me.

As far as a full size/tow rig/daily driver/welding rig/chase truck/work truck/firewood getter/do anything and go anywhere expedition rig wheelin day, i cant wait to do it again!:beer::beer::beer:

here is the color mama wants........whatcha think?

here is the color mama wants........whatcha think?

Mama knows best!!!!:D

Except now I need to find another color !!!:shaking:


:flipoff2:

That would look BA on your rig!

im a big dummy and its early....wha is "BA"?

ba= bad ass

sweet rig btw...

here is the color mama wants........whatcha think?

Oh yeah, go for the green! I love it on my bronco, your truck would look sweet that color!

you know me....all show no go! the rear ARB and 4.10s will come way sooner than the glass fenders, trust me.

I like glass work. Maybe we can build some when you get back. :grinpimp:

Safe travels this summer, my friend! :beer:

Oh yeah, go for the green! I love it on my bronco, your truck would look sweet that color!

what color is it?

Oh yeah, go for the green! I love it on my bronco, your truck would look sweet that color!

what color is it?

Rescue Green would be my guess :D

Rescue Green would be my guess :D

Are you gonna tell em or do I have to tell em what it came stock on :laughing::laughing:

:barf:i bet its a jeep color:barf:


like i said before i try to use the best parts off other vehicles:D

GM put a pretty nice green color on their H2's. It'll kind of blend in with the forest...stealthy. If you can call an 8800 lb truck with a diesel stealthy. Maybe when its parked in the forest!

Ford had some nice green colors like that on the Exploders before they went IRS.
Travis..

Deep jewel green looked good on my old stang.

Getting ready to paint the 69 and I am probably gonna go with the summit brand paint stuff looks cheap and effective an decent colors too.

Jalapeño green would be sic too.

Ford had some nice green colors like that on the Exploders before they went IRS.
Travis..

Yeah, but they are a tri coat system, and that would be a PITA to spay at home...

The color I'm thinking of is just a sage green type metallic. I can't imagine it being more than 2 stage:confused: Even if it was, you could most likely get the same color in a 2 stage, no?
Travis..

well, we'll see what gets done this summer. I pretty much cut my thumb off on a trailer hitch 2 days before left so it'll need some recovery time before i get into doing too many projects. its healing good though. stiches come out tomarrow and the stainless pins that are holding the bone together will come out in a few weeks. the docs expect a full recovery with all the feeling in the thumb too. thats good!

according to his thread...(that he has not updated for a long time!)

it jeep JK green.

sweet build man, i like EBs that u wheeled with on blacktail too. keep it up cant wait to see whats next!

well, we'll see what gets done this summer. I pretty much cut my thumb off on a trailer hitch 2 days before left so it'll need some recovery time before i get into doing too many projects. its healing good though. stiches come out tomarrow and the stainless pins that are holding the bone together will come out in a few weeks. the docs expect a full recovery with all the feeling in the thumb too. thats good!


What do you need a thumb for anyway?:p When are you leaving for ND (I think that is where you said??)

Sorry to hear about the thumb. The first crack of the joints after the pins are removed is an eye opener! Make sure you take a piss before they crack em.

Sorry for the delay. The color is Jeep JK Green, or rescue green off the new JK Wranglers. It looks better on Fords!

well, we'll see what gets done this summer. I pretty much cut my thumb off on a trailer hitch 2 days before left so it'll need some recovery time before i get into doing too many projects. its healing good though. stiches come out tomarrow and the stainless pins that are holding the bone together will come out in a few weeks. the docs expect a full recovery with all the feeling in the thumb too. thats good!

You pussy, u gots two thumbs, get to work! :) Talked to blaze today, he said u were doing good. We're living in an rv park, can't fint a house to rent. If we don't find something soon, were moving back to MT!!

Great seeing the Fodge in person. You did great open-open considering the places you were going...especially with hard RTII's!!

Not discounting your truck, but I think a good bit of skill was involved, too!
No shame in getting a tug from a 3,000lb rig. :flipoff2:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=882&pictureid=7856

Favorite F series years!

You pussy, u gots two thumbs, get to work! :) Talked to blaze today, he said u were doing good. We're living in an rv park, can't fint a house to rent. If we don't find something soon, were moving back to MT!!

?????????????????cali isnt all its puffed up to be? i think we all hinted to that long ago :) Montana always welcomes back a good friend. i'll call ya soon





The thumb story goes like this...7am, pulled in the driveway after running a few errands, went to hook up this little trailer i had setting at the end of the road with free tires on it. the trailer is small you dont need a tounge jack, so i picked it up to set it on the hitch, the trailer rolled into a little hole, pinching my thumb between the trailer hitch and the flatbed of the Fodge. pop there goes the thumb. barlly scratched the paint. it was totlally cut off exept for a small amount of skin towards the web, which just happens to be where the tennon and nerves run, i got lucky. its healling great. i'd put up a pic but i dont have a laptop yet.

?????????????????cali isnt all its puffed up to be? i think we all hinted to that long ago :) Montana always welcomes back a good friend. i'll call ya soon





The thumb story goes like this...7am, pulled in the driveway after running a few errands, went to hook up this little trailer i had setting at the end of the road with free tires on it. the trailer is small you dont need a tounge jack, so i picked it up to set it on the hitch, the trailer rolled into a little hole, pinching my thumb between the trailer hitch and the flatbed of the Fodge. pop there goes the thumb. barlly scratched the paint. it was totlally cut off exept for a small amount of skin towards the web, which just happens to be where the tennon and nerves run, i got lucky. its healling great. i'd put up a pic but i dont have a laptop yet.

Kinda sucks here, great friend leaves here to move to Cali, and the retards keep moving here from Cali.:shaking:

Good news to hear the thumbs on the mend, Joe showed me a early pic, bout lost my lunch.

thumbs up about the thumb!:D I had the pic on my phone for a while, wish I still had it to share.:barf:

i vote to go vintage for the color and match the original gold for the cab with the black flatbed and rails.

sorry to hear about your thumb by the way.

your crewcabs have turned out awesome. giving my bad thoughts about my '01 dodge dually and 89 suburban, also 24v and 6 speed.

You pussy, u gots two thumbs, get to work! :) Talked to blaze today, he said u were doing good. We're living in an rv park, can't fint a house to rent. If we don't find something soon, were moving back to MT!!

Shit, I just gave you a good reference as a renter. I'm gonna call the guy back and tell him the truth: the gimp room downstairs, the gay porn I found in the spare bedroom and the mobile meth lab ingredients in the shed.

Shit, I just gave you a good reference as a renter. I'm gonna call the guy back and tell him the truth: the gimp room downstairs, the gay porn I found in the spare bedroom and the mobile meth lab ingredients in the shed.

:laughing::laughing: and you thought you were gettin outta here!! :lmao::lmao:
see ya soon!
:evil:

Welcome back to MT, Tyson! :flipoff2:

...montanatrout, got your pix message yesterday. Had no idea you could fit that many goats in your...


...er...um...wait...the other pic with the crane. Was that a satellite dish?
You should post some of your summer hoisting project pics here!

ya shawn I'll do that, it was a 40' wide grain bin roof. got internet now.

Shit, I just gave you a good reference as a renter. I'm gonna call the guy back and tell him the truth: the gimp room downstairs, the gay porn I found in the spare bedroom and the mobile meth lab ingredients in the shed.

Dude! That stuff was there when we moved in:D

lets see if i can get these to upload.............


some crane pics, that grain dryer wieght is about 22k

the other is a grain bin roof

that is the f---n trailer that bit my thumb!