Looks like 4WPW are on to us... [Archive]

GloNDark

10-08-2002, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by DRM
I have read their legal disclaimer page several times so far, and see no clear language for them to be able to get out of a pricing glitch on the web site...

We probably could have milked it for several days if SOME OF YOU had not ordered 15 at a time you greedy bastids :p ;)

They should honor it. However they may be able to get out of the multiple orders some how.

Once you post a price, all orders taken at that price must be honored until said price is changed. Or atleast that's what the summit manager told me this morning. :laughing: $270 carb...hahaha someone is packing their shit up this morning. :D

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 11:15 AM

Just like the Warn winch deal from carparts.com How many of us got in on that deal?

DRM

10-08-2002, 11:15 AM

Ahh... brings back memories of the infamous Carparts.com Warn winch blowout deal from a few years back ;)

Nothing like a Warn XD9000i delivered for $426 :D

Hayraker

10-08-2002, 11:15 AM

I wonder what other obscure part they have mis priced....... hmmm

DRM

10-08-2002, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Old Scout
Just like the Warn winch deal from carparts.com How many of us got in on that deal?

lol - great minds think alike :p

Hayraker

10-08-2002, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by gunracer1
hay raker i will take one for the front of my tow rig. are you going to have your shit ready by the 19th. mike

Yes

Yes

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by GloNDark

They should honor it. However they may be able to get out of the multiple orders some how.

Once you post a price, all orders taken at that price must be honored until said price is changed. Or atleast that's what the summit manager told me this morning. :laughing: $270 carb...hahaha someone is packing their shit up this morning. :D

Well Summit has sterling reputation when it comes to customer service and well lets say 4wpw is kind of muddy when it comes to customer service.

GloNDark

10-08-2002, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Old Scout
Well Summit has sterling reputation when it comes to customer service and well lets say 4wpw is kind of muddy when it comes to customer service.

true true!!

camo

10-08-2002, 11:20 AM

so who wants to double there money? i want one for my tow rig

Lloyd

10-08-2002, 11:23 AM

DAMMIT! Missed another good one. If someone wants to sell one, PM me.

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by camo
so who wants to double there money? i want one for my tow rig

Sorry man the going rate is 51.5 x cost!:flipoff2:

Station

10-08-2002, 11:26 AM

MAN! where do you all find out about these accident deals.

$.94 posi:eek: :D
$27. edlebrock
XD9000i delivered for $426

Man I could have used a couple of those deals.

Sean

gunracer1

10-08-2002, 11:27 AM

hell this thread is turning into more fun than the first one, mike

DRM

10-08-2002, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by gunracer1
hell this thread is turning into more fun than the first one, mike

It is only fun if they honor the screwup :p

jeepbeater

10-08-2002, 11:32 AM

I got (5) for a total of $9.85. $4.85 for the limit slips plus $5 handling.

Let me know what anyone finds out. I've already been charged for the funds.

John

bigdude

10-08-2002, 11:35 AM

That Edlebrock deal was smoking :eek:. Same with that Warn deal.

This one justseems so far off. So how many did we all get again....

I total 36 units by seeing what others have posted above. Anybody else??? Say they are loosing $400 per unit, that's $14,400 and counting. I don't think they'll let that slide easily.

DRM

10-08-2002, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by jeepbeater
I got (5) for a total of $9.85. $4.85 for the limit slips plus $5 handling.

Let me know what anyone finds out. I've already been charged for the funds.

John

Here is what I am showing on my PayPal debit card... we will see if it changes form pending to completed without some rediculous price increase...

joes75bronco

10-08-2002, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by bigdude
That Edlebrock deal was smoking :eek:. Same with that Warn deal.

This one justseems so far off. So how many did we all get again....

I total 36 units by seeing what others have posted above. Anybody else??? Say they are loosing $400 per unit, that's $14,400 and counting. I don't think they'll let that slide easily.

true

DRM

10-08-2002, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by bigdude
I total 36 units by seeing what others have posted above. Anybody else??? Say they are loosing $400 per unit, that's $14,400 and counting. I don't think they'll let that slide easily.

Well, I guess we'll find out ;)

bad80cj-7

10-08-2002, 11:40 AM

I also got one! :)

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 11:42 AM

Well anyone have one of these diffs?

http://www.auburngear.com/aftermarket/common/images/diff-exploded.jpg

Are they worth a sheit?

http://www.auburngear.com/aftermarket/products/differentials/

bigdude

10-08-2002, 11:48 AM

For what it's worth (and in case you missed it in the other thread)- They did already take the $4.95 from my checking/debit account. The transaction is not updated to list it by name, but my posted balance is $4.95 higher than my available balance, showing I have already been charged for the posi's :D

I do not know specifics about these diffs but apparently they are a good/strong posi-unit. I mean look how many PBB member have them now :D

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 11:48 AM

BnTMike

10-08-2002, 11:50 AM

o.k. so for example.... Camo if you place a decimal point 3 places off 0n a glitter price olline and had to eat 50K would you try to explain waht happened or eat it?????? I guess I look at it differently but whatever..

Mike-

sceep

10-08-2002, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Old Scout

There cost is much lower than 400. Not much of a margin at a cost of 400! My guess is more like 300-325.00!

WTF is up with your sig, That's just :rainbow:

felt so stongly ya had to say it twice huh?? :flipoff2:

bigdude

10-08-2002, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Old Scout

WTF is up with your sig, That's just :rainbow:

It's the only thing I could think of that was more :rainbow: than your avatar :flipoff2:

I figured a 20% mark-up from cost and a customer cost of ~$500. Normally parts retailers are ~30% (knowing this from friends), figured the volume of 4wp would allow for 20% and lower prices.

Lloyd

10-08-2002, 11:55 AM

Rufus posted in the Dodge section that he blew up a couple of these for the 9-1/4" - in between a 5.9 Magnum - NP241and 38" Hawgs. Replaced the last one with a Detroit and it's holding up well.

madmarx

10-08-2002, 11:56 AM

I got in for 2. I was not greedy like some people... :flipoff2:

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by bigdude

It's the only thing I could think of that was more :rainbow: than your avatar :flipoff2:

I figured a 20% mark-up from cost and a customer cost of ~$500. Normally parts retailers are ~30% (knowing this from friends), figured the volume of 4wp would allow for 20% and lower prices.

Jobber is 15-25% above cost, retail 30-50% above cost.

IndyCJ

10-08-2002, 12:06 PM

I got in for two, but for some reason, I saw the 'shipping free' deal and I guess I got it.

I have a whopping 1.94 taken out. :flipoff2:

camo

10-08-2002, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by BnTMike
o.k. so for example.... Camo if you place a decimal point 3 places off 0n a glitter price olline and had to eat 50K would you try to explain waht happened or eat it?????? I guess I look at it differently but whatever..

Mike-

i would tell you to get fawked. and i would keep your .97 cents just cause ya tryed to burn me. :flipoff2:

The Jerk

10-08-2002, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by camo

i would tell you to get fawked. and i would keep your .97 cents just cause ya tryed to burn me. :flipoff2: lol, and stop at taco bellon the way home with your 97 cents too i bet, jiMMy

RKCRAWLER

10-08-2002, 12:19 PM

4Bangler

10-08-2002, 12:20 PM

I've got an order confirmation receipt sitting in front of me on my desk for 12 units for a totoal of $16.64 to my door, and my card has been billed, unfortunately, these units do not exist, everyone else lists them as to be announced and someone else posted on the other thread that Auburn will not be making these units, so I would be surprised if any of us actually recieved and unit. They could just put that part number on an Auburn sticker and I'd get 12 gay stickers for $16.64. I would bet that all charges to all of our card will mysteriously disappear, although they are not supposed to charge your card until the unit is shipped, but that never stopped 4WPW before......bastards.

That puts the total up to 56 units, and I think the price is more in the $250 range for some of those models, if they exist, I just ordered 2 of each application.

rustycruiser

10-08-2002, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by DRM
Ahh... brings back memories of the infamous Carparts.com Warn winch blowout deal from a few years back ;)

Nothing like a Warn XD9000i delivered for $426 :D
Wasn't only the XD9000i. I ended up with a 4.6hp 8274-50 for $649 delivered thanks to Carparts.com. Best deal I have ever had the luck to stumble into. :)

Travis Waldher

10-08-2002, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by camo

i would tell you to get fawked. and i would keep your .97 cents just cause ya tryed to burn me. :flipoff2:

At which point I would vive you the :flipoff:, pull out my lawyer and nail you to the wall.

Wrong advertising is one thing... but, taking the order, charging to your card, etc. Thats another. 4WPW should be required to fulfill the orders. A lesson to anyone in online sales.... make sure what is posted online is RIGHT.

bigdude

10-08-2002, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by Travis Waldher
Wrong advertising is one thing... but, taking the order, charging to your card, etc. Thats another. 4WPW should be required to fulfill the orders. A lesson to anyone in online sales.... make sure what is posted online is RIGHT.

Well then who has the spare time and energy to take up the fight if they don't come through????

I'll be the first to say that if this particular posi is not available, yet they sold and billed me for it, I will accept a substitute (posi, locker, etc) at the previously advertised price of $.97. Shouldn't they be obligated to do that for selling a product, and charging us for a product, that technically doesn't exist????

Sundowner

10-08-2002, 12:37 PM

I'll be the first to say that if this particular posi is not available, yet they sold and billed me for it, I will accept a substitute (posi, locker, etc) at the previously advertised price of $.97. Shouldn't they be obligated to do that for selling a product, and charging us for a product, that technically doesn't exist????

I'm sure that's gonna bite them in the ass here.
regardless, add another 3 to the total for my purchases.

GonPostal

10-08-2002, 12:41 PM

Yeah, it was a helluva deal... Hope your orders worked out. For those of you who missed my original thread with the link to the killer deal, well :flipoff2:

It was only a matter time anyway before FWP server melted down with all the orders :nuke:

camo

10-08-2002, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Travis Waldher

At which point I would vive you the :flipoff:, pull out my lawyer and nail you to the wall.

.

well then i guess i would get the last laugh. because my lawers who are on retainer would tie the thing up in court so long that after you spent your 30k dollars fighting me over .97 cents only to find out in the end that i would win. from a legal stand point the company would win. sure i would have to give you your .97 cents back but your gonna spend an increadable amout of time and money getting it back.

DRM

10-08-2002, 12:54 PM

Hayraker

10-08-2002, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by bigdude

I'll be the first to say that if this particular posi is not available, yet they sold and billed me for it, I will accept a substitute (posi, locker, etc) at the previously advertised price of $.97. Shouldn't they be obligated to do that for selling a product, and charging us for a product, that technically doesn't exist????

Hell yes, they can substitute Detroit Lockers for the posis I ordered, I will accept them no problem, even tho its not what I ordered:flipoff2:

brector

10-08-2002, 01:00 PM

I ordered 5 :) w/ free shipping

RockRanger

10-08-2002, 01:03 PM

I ordered 4

Matt

xtrm-s10

10-08-2002, 01:04 PM

you can add one to the list.

I like 4wp they gave me a FREE 35-14.5 bogger for free. I had one that was realy out of round and they gave me a new one. I feel sorry for the emp. that did that. He probly had to come up with the payment.

:flipoff2: 4wph

bad80cj-7

10-08-2002, 01:11 PM

Hey if we keep this thread going like it is we will beat Daniel's thread in no time! hahahaha:D

bigdude

10-08-2002, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by bad80cj-7
Hey if we keep this thread going like it is we will beat Daniel's thread in no time! hahahaha:D

I'm not making a penny off this through 4wp. This is not an advertisement :D

BrettM

10-08-2002, 01:20 PM

I understand that the thread for this has been removed, but when did it get put up? I totally missed this one :(

xjweeble

10-08-2002, 01:21 PM

Ill take one if the deal goes through :D

Dingo

10-08-2002, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by BrettM
I understand that the thread for this has been removed, but when did it get put up? I totally missed this one :(

I second that.......sounds like some of you scored big time if it goes through.

What was bought exactly? thanks.

MattS

10-08-2002, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by camo
well then i guess i would get the last laugh. because my lawers who are on retainer would tie the thing up in court so long that after you spent your 30k dollars fighting me over .97 cents only to find out in the end that i would win. from a legal stand point the company would win. sure i would have to give you your .97 cents back but your gonna spend an increadable amout of time and money getting it back.

Oh yeah? Well I get free legal services so I just screwed (with no KY) you over for whatever you spent in legal fees minus 97 cents . So it would have been cheaper for you to just send me my damn posi. :flipoff2:

They have not taken my $$ yet so I may never get the chance at em like some of you. :(

I was nice and only ordered the ONE I was going to actually use. Damn greedy bastards. :flipoff2:

RockRanger

10-08-2002, 01:30 PM

Dana 60 auburn limited slips. had hi and low carriers for 30 and 35 spline shafts. Also had dana 35 ones but didnt order them. Was posted up this morning

Matt

randii

10-08-2002, 01:31 PM

It is only fun if they honor the screwup :p
No -- PBB will have fun with it either way... http://smilies.uniquehardware.co.uk/otn/funny/smileysex5.gif

The Warn winch 'deal' was enough to make me recommend against any of the people I know ever doing web-enabled commerce... a simple mistake can tank a reputation, or worse yet, a business.

Randii

bigdude

10-08-2002, 01:32 PM

We got Auburn posi-tracs through 4wp for 97 cents. now if we actually get them is the discussion.

MattS I got 5 so you can have one of mine for $1 plus shipping if you don't get yours and mine go through (since you were going to use it).

I will also accept Detroits as a comparable substitute for the full carrier Auburn Posi-trac

jeepbeater

10-08-2002, 01:35 PM

I rather doubt they'll be honoring this since I don't think are are even being manufactured yet. From what I found on the Auburn website and the UK version of the 4wpw say commign soon. I'll gladly take something of equal quality to make up for my waiting.

MattS

10-08-2002, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by pinkdude
MattS I got 5 so you can have one of mine for $1 plus shipping if you don't get yours and mine go through (since you were going to use it).

Thanks for the offer. VERY nice of you. But I ordered one for my pussy ass XJ and I'm 100% sure that's not the ones you ordered! :D I just called my CC company and they only update their records once a day at 6am. (citibank) So they might have my $$$ after all! :)

Dingo

10-08-2002, 01:38 PM

If it works out and someone wants to get rid of 1 or 2; PM me.....I am in need of them and you can make some cash off me.

NECKSTER

10-08-2002, 01:39 PM

Well if it works out, and any of you want to get rid of 2, I need one for my work truck, and one for the tow rig. :D

camo

10-08-2002, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by MattS

Oh yeah? Well I get free legal services so ......

ya get what ya pay for. :flipoff2:

Loco

10-08-2002, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by rustycruiser

Wasn't only the XD9000i. I ended up with a 4.6hp 8274-50 for $649 delivered thanks to Carparts.com. Best deal I have ever had the luck to stumble into. :)
LOL, same here but guess what? They never billed my credit card on my 8274, so I got mine for free. :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

RockRover

10-08-2002, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Loco

LOL, same here but guess what? They never billed my credit card on my 8274, so I got mine for free. :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Now that's just plan dishonest! :)

--D

Loco

10-08-2002, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by RockRover

Now that's just plan dishonest! :)

--D
Hey I called and they had all my info on record just in case of somthing happening. So it was thier own fault if they didn't charge my account.

bad80cj-7

10-08-2002, 02:08 PM

So true! All I want is a posi for .97

IndyCJ

10-08-2002, 02:14 PM

Since it would appear that Auburn doesn't even make these yet, I'm wondering if we can do the old....

"Hey, I want my posi's"

"sorry sir, they don't make them, it was a mistake".

"Well, how bout if I take something else of equal or lesser value that 2 auburn limited slips, say a couple o'swampers?" :flipoff2:

BnTMike

10-08-2002, 02:17 PM

Man... some of you guys must wak around looking to slip on a banana and sue somebody. I cant belive you want to screw a company cause of a mistake someone made...a person screwed up and if it goes down like you guys want he will loose his job.. I Think its taking advantage period...

mike-

RockRover

10-08-2002, 02:30 PM

BmTmike,

What comes around, goes around...Nuff said.

--D

82FB

10-08-2002, 02:31 PM

Keith Strong

10-08-2002, 02:35 PM

Damn, I missed it too. Bigdude (or any other generous soul) I would like to get one for my Tow rig if this goes through :beer:

joes75bronco

10-08-2002, 02:40 PM

well I called to check up on my order.. and to make sur eI wasnt charged a lot of money.. and the guy said they dont even make auburns for a D60 that we were ordering.. sO I am confused now. and he didnt offer a substitute.. I'm calling back right now.

RockRover

10-08-2002, 02:43 PM

Travis Waldher

10-08-2002, 02:44 PM

Dingo

10-08-2002, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by joes75bronco
well I called to check up on my order.. and to make sur eI wasnt charged a lot of money.. and the guy said they dont even make auburns for a D60 that we were ordering.. sO I am confused now. and he didnt offer a substitute.. I'm calling back right now.

I don't know if they make a Dana 60 unit either, but I would be pretty skeptical of what the guys at the 4WPW in Compton have to say, there are a lot of clueless employees working at that location, not all of them, but quite a few.

I walked in to order some wheels that 2 guys swore were not made......assholes were event starting to laugh like I was the clueless one when one of their managers then walked by and said "Yeah, those rims are availible and we have them in stock..." Dipshits.

cbassett

10-08-2002, 03:03 PM

I'm with Mike on this one...
Not good to take advantage of an honest oversight like this.
4WPW, by and large, is one of the best suppliers of mass-produced 4X4 accessories. You can keep them honest and work competitors prices against them, and end up getting great deals.
Yeah, alot of their shops are staffed with gumbahs better fit to swinging from vines than turning wrenches, so what. They are a great parts supplier to the industry.
Talk of litigating if they don't "honor" these purchases is completely, 100% chump.

joes75bronco

10-08-2002, 03:08 PM

well after my call back I find out that their customer service is through and through complete shit... the cust service manager if a fucking asshole. he was rude and nasty with me...

not that it'll help but,
I called and left a message with greg adler, as well as wrote him a very detailed email.. we'll see..

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by joes75bronco
well I called to check up on my order.. and to make sur eI wasnt charged a lot of money.. and the guy said they dont even make auburns for a D60 that we were ordering.. sO I am confused now. and he didnt offer a substitute.. I'm calling back right now.

What do you mean they don't make them!

There are part #s for for them on these two pages:
http://www.sixstates.com/ld/auburngear/how_the_auburn_limited.htm
http://www.differentials.com/catalog/43.pdf

Remember that 4wpw have professional liers
working the phones.

YellowSub1962

10-08-2002, 03:11 PM

if this goes through and someone has an extra one for a D44....let me know how much you want

:usa:

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by YellowSub1962
if this goes through and someone has an extra one for a D44....let me know how much you want

:usa:

D44 ones were still full price:flipoff2:

joes75bronco

10-08-2002, 03:23 PM

old scout... check the link for 6 states.... it says TBA
I cant open the other one

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by joes75bronco
old scout... check the link for 6 states.... it says TBA
I cant open the other one

Look again is said the rebuild kits are TBA a but the part # for the whole units ( AG542093, Ag542094 ect) are there!

You can't open a PDF? You don't have Adobe reader ,what unreal!

Travis Waldher

10-08-2002, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by cbassett
I'm with Mike on this one...
Not good to take advantage of an honest oversight like this.
4WPW, by and large, is one of the best suppliers of mass-produced 4X4 accessories. You can keep them honest and work competitors prices against them, and end up getting great deals.
Yeah, alot of their shops are staffed with gumbahs better fit to swinging from vines than turning wrenches, so what. They are a great parts supplier to the industry.
Talk of litigating if they don't "honor" these purchases is completely, 100% chump.

You haven't personally delt with them have you? If you have, and got their "customer service" you wouldn't be talking like that. I have only ONE good 4WPW to go to, and thats cause I know the Asst. Mgr. Other than that they are all shit. I still call it KARMA!

I really believe if the roles were reversed. 4WPW would do their best to take advantage of this.

joes75bronco

10-08-2002, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Old Scout

Look again is said the rebuild kits are TBA a but the part # for the whole units ( AG542093, Ag542094 ect) are there!

You can't open a PDF? You don't have Adobe reader ,what unreal!

hmmm.. wierd... they do have professional liars working there..
bunch a bastards if you ask me... they piss me off..

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by joes75bronco
old scout... check the link for 6 states.... it says TBA
I cant open the other one

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/uploads/LS.jpg

joes75bronco

10-08-2002, 03:37 PM

this is sickening... any place other than 4wpw would honor this.. someone needs to get fired for this...

Travis Waldher

10-08-2002, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by joes75bronco
this is sickening... any place other than 4wpw would honor this.. someone needs to get fired for this...

I wouldn't go that far.. like on orders for 15 of them. But I think most would at least honor it for 1 purchase.

cbassett

10-08-2002, 03:52 PM

Travis Waldher

10-08-2002, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by cbassett

Actually I have done a considerable deal of business with them. I wade through the idiots and assholes until I find someone I like dealing with (happens to be Mike at the San Jose shop nowadays), and I ignore the rest. What's behind all those idiots as assholes is a company that price matches and stands behind what it sells.

re your rolls reversed comment, it's baseless and best left unwritten.

Joes75, you sound like a punk bitch.

And how is it baseless?

I've seen 4WP customers get fawked over a few times, or at least attempted to. Specially on defect tires, 4WPW tries to tell them a defective tire is "ok". So.. they try to fawk over their customers and have done so for a while.

So.. for once... 4WPW fawked up... now their customers are coming after them. Its not like they didn't ask for it by treating everyone like sh!t in the past.

I know several other companies aside from 4WPW that match prices if you ask them to as well as stand behind their products. The only time I buy 4WPW is when I can walk out of the store with the part, inspecting it before purchasing it. OR if there is no other alternative.

What do you do when Mike goes away?

As far as I'm concerned... you don't know what your talking about regarding 4WPW and the service the general customer receives. I'm not stupid enough to assume everyone else gets good service because I have an "in" with them in my local store.

mudpup

10-08-2002, 04:02 PM

BnTMike

10-08-2002, 04:02 PM

ok they sell um for like 360 or whatever so 199 would be a deal... .97 cents is a fawking mistake...DUH. As far as not making dana 60 auburn TBA is to be announced.... NOT IN STOCK...they dont have any to sell yet....And the guy who made the mistake should get FIRED!!!!????? Guess you have never made a mistake...:rolleyes:

Mike-

jdjanda

10-08-2002, 04:20 PM

Do you think 4WPW can afford a 50k mistake? I'm sure they can, but they'll pass that mistake along to the rest of us.

Hey Camo, I mistakenly got some glitter in my eye, you'll be hearing from my attorney :rolleyes:

Jason M

10-08-2002, 04:41 PM

If any of you guys get them and want to make something I would be interested in one..

:D

BnTMike

10-08-2002, 04:47 PM

"Hey Camo, I mistakenly got some glitter in my eye, you'll be hearing from my attorney"

people sue for crap like that ALL THE TIME!!!!! AND WIN!!!!

Mike

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by BnTMike
As far as not making dana 60 auburn TBA is to be announced.... NOT IN STOCK...they dont have any to sell yet..

Mike-

Well they better get cranking to clear that huge backorder they have now!;) ;) :p

BnTMike

10-08-2002, 04:48 PM

LOL old scout....;)

Mike-

taradon

10-08-2002, 05:03 PM

I will buy a Dana 60 front limited slip for $75.00US, PM me if someone actually gets there diffs in.

Don

AtomicBeesting

10-08-2002, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by rustycruiser

Wasn't only the XD9000i. I ended up with a 4.6hp 8274-50 for $649 delivered thanks to Carparts.com. Best deal I have ever had the luck to stumble into. :)

I got the HS9500... they never charged my card. FREE!!!!!!

bigdude

10-08-2002, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by taradon
I will buy a Dana 60 front limited slip for $75.00US, PM me if someone actually gets there diffs in.

Don

Are you kidding :rolleyes: These things retail for over $300 :flipoff2:

weps

10-08-2002, 05:27 PM

:confused: Maybe this Newbie can help find "IF" they actually make the D60 model. (To see what the backlog is) Ironically, I live in Auburn, where they make these. The plant is like 3 miles from my house. Business there has been S-L-O-W, they shut down all of 3 rd shift, and part of 2nd. The only guy I knew working there passed away about a month ago. (Its a pretty old workforce) a few years ago I tried to get one factory direct, and the 30 spline 60 was not yet in production.97 cents? what a smokin deal!

DRM

10-08-2002, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by randii
The Warn winch 'deal' was enough to make me recommend against any of the people I know ever doing web-enabled commerce... a simple mistake can tank a reputation, or worse yet, a business.

Odd - they may have lost a couple hundred to me on that winch, but I can tell you I have been back since and spent close to a grand with them later on that I probably would not have spent otherwise ;)

And I am sure I am not the only one :)

DRM

10-08-2002, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by cbassett
Talk of litigating if they don't "honor" these purchases is completely, 100% chump.

I look at it this way:

They made an OFFER to sell a product at a set price.

I ACCEPTED that offer.

And without getting in to legal bickering - if they accept my payment and ship it to me, I took advantage of NO ONE.

Mustard Dog

10-08-2002, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by DRM

And without getting in to legal bickering - if they accept my payment and ship it to me, I took advantage of NO ONE.

But you knew it wasn't right:p

RockRanger

10-08-2002, 07:16 PM

If you went to PNP on half off day and found a RC60 front that they would give you for 50 bucks would you tell them that you should have to pay 600 bucks for it cause that is what it should cost?

Matt

cbassett

10-08-2002, 07:22 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Travis Waldher

And how is it baseless?

[b]I've seen 4WP customers get fawked over a few times, or at least attempted to. Specially on defect tires, 4WPW tries to tell them a defective tire is "ok". So.. they try to fawk over their customers and have done so for a while.

You're making reference to one individual dealing with one ignorant salesman.

So.. for once... 4WPW fawked up... now their customers are coming after them. Its not like they didn't ask for it by treating everyone like sh!t in the past.

Is this a, "Let's do it for Johnny!" thing? A kind of, "Hey I knew a guy that knew a guy who was too much of a pussy to get what's right out of 4WPW, so let's take advantage of this situation, even though it's in no way relevant to my friend's brother's cousin's dog's niece's situation!"? Baseless.

I know several other companies aside from 4WPW that match prices if you ask them to as well as stand behind their products. The only time I buy 4WPW is when I can walk out of the store with the part, inspecting it before purchasing it. OR if there is no other alternative.

As do I, what is the point?

What do you do when Mike goes away?

"Mike" is just an example, not the only shiny marble.

As far as I'm concerned... you don't know what your talking about regarding 4WPW and the service the general customer receives. I'm not stupid enough to assume everyone else gets good service because I have an "in" with them in my local store.

Just like assholes, everyone has an opinion.;) Your example above is not that of the "general customer", it's that of a general sucker. Having an "in" is called knowing how to receive good service.:rolleyes:

Travis Waldher

10-08-2002, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Mustard Dog

But you knew it wasn't right:p

Sure it was.. they fawked up. Time for them to figure out a thing called checks and balances. Someone that watches over the web dudes shoulders to make sure its all good.

That pull-a-part argument is VERY valid. Everyone who is saying we'd be ripping 4WPW off are also the same people that would pay $100 from a PNP for a RC60 that is worth $600-$1000 on the market.

Mustard Dog

10-08-2002, 07:37 PM

You guys can all justify it to yourselves however you want, just my opinion. I'll go away now and let you gloat over the great deal;)

smoothcharlene

10-08-2002, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by BnTMike
Man... some of you guys must wak around looking to slip on a banana and sue somebody. I cant belive you want to screw a company cause of a mistake someone made...a person screwed up and if it goes down like you guys want he will loose his job.. I Think its taking advantage period...

mike-

Being a manager for a major retail company I know that one of the most important parts of sales is pricing, and more importantly is proper pricing. If something in my dept, or store is priced and it is incorrectly priced we MUST give the item to the customer for the tagged price. No questions asked. Now cases have come up where this has been an issue, and we have had to take a loss.....Not near this big a screw up, but screw ups none the less.

Oh and the comparison to a PNP D60 is right on. Couldn't agree more. Now if only I had caught this sale....maybe I could've paid for that pinion conversion for the mog axle I'm in need of:flipoff2:

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 08:12 PM

A few years back when I was shopping on the net for a ARB for my D60. I plugged RD36 into google and started to look for a deal. I came across a site (4x4connection.com) that had a old page still on there server. The link to it from the main page had been removed but the page still had a URL and google found it. The shopping basket still worked and I ordered it up. I didn't find out until the next day what went down and how/why, but I got a great deal on my ARB. Hats off to 4x4 connection for living with there mistake, I have gone back to them just for that reason.

CRS

10-08-2002, 08:23 PM

Sounds fair to me. I heared about it this morning at work and laughed all day long I hope you guys all get your orders. SO maybe its unfair but think of all the mark ups we have paid to get the other parts for our trucks. It about time we get a break,

:flipoff2:

Mustard Dog

10-08-2002, 08:31 PM

Maybe I would think differently if I needed one for my rig:D

cbassett

10-08-2002, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by Cody Swinehart
Sounds fair to me. I heared about it this morning at work and laughed all day long I hope you guys all get your orders. SO maybe its unfair but think of all the mark ups we have paid to get the other parts for our trucks. It about time we get a break,

:flipoff2:

The P-N-P analogy is too stupid to even counter... oh alright, for the stupid people: No. As soon as PNP puts a rev-cut 60 frontend price on their pricelist, and you get undercharged, yes. Simple enough for you?

Best be joking. If you're paying the "mark ups", your a friggin moron.

As MD said earlier, you jokers can justify it any way you like, at the end of the day you're taking advantage of an obvious oversight. If you can sleep with it more power to you. IMHO it stinks like one big pile of sh*t, and the first person to find the versight should've called 4WPW to alert them of it.

ranger

10-08-2002, 09:00 PM

People just lack integrity anymore!:skull:

JeepTJ1062

10-08-2002, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by cbassett

The P-N-P analogy is too stupid to even counter... oh alright, for the stupid people: No. As soon as PNP puts a rev-cut 60 frontend price on their pricelist, and you get undercharged, yes. Simple enough for you?

Best be joking. If you're paying the "mark ups", your a friggin moron.

As MD said earlier, you jokers can justify it any way you like, at the end of the day you're taking advantage of an obvious oversight. If you can sleep with it more power to you. IMHO it stinks like one big pile of sh*t, and the first person to find the versight should've called 4WPW to alert them of it.

My .02 I didn't order, could care less. 4WP has screwed me, my friends, and others for many years. They pride themselves on weaseling themselves through deals to make a buck or two. IMO as far as business ethics go 4WP should honor their mistake by either delivering the posi's or offering a substitute of equal or lesser value. Granted folks do make mistakes but there are people hired to make sure mistakes aren't made. I work in retail and if we don't have something in stock that is on sale it is our job to offer a substitute of the same quality and price. Some tags are put in the wrong space but we have to sell the product for the displayed price. Its not my fault but its someones, maybe a customer put something back in the wrong spot. If I'm not mistaken from a business class I once took something of this nature could be argued as false advertising, which to my knowledge is illegal, therefore the price must be honered, but I could be wrong.

CJ Lagos

10-08-2002, 09:57 PM

I did it as more of a see what happens thing. If they actually ship these to me without me doing anything I'll be amazed, and furthermore wouldn't feel guilty keeping them. However, I won't be putting up any sort of fight to hold them to it...I agree, it is wrong.

CJ

MR4WD

10-08-2002, 10:20 PM

So, you put your vehicle up for sale on the net, say ebay for example. You lock in the lowest bid a 12 bucks, not 12,000 and when some chump pays you 12.50 through an accredited financial means, you're forced to render your vehicle over. Hypothetically, you don't have a legal leg to stand on, and you hand over your keys. How'd you like that?

Just because you've been screwed by four wheel parts, doesn't mean you should hang them on a mistake. I've never been screwed by em, but at the same time, I've been smarter to let myself get into a situation to get screwed. If some chain fucks you over, and you're mad about it, then who's fault is it? Yours, or theirs? Yours, for being so stupid. Business is business and mistakes are mistakes.

On the flipside, I wouldn't mind anything for such a cheap price, and I congratulate any of you who receive this locker (on the outside chance they'll follow through) but you can't expect to hang em for a slip up.

Dychen

10-08-2002, 10:25 PM

4WP can Suck it :flipoff2:

personally, if i would have caught this i would have ordered 50 of them. Someone should have went over that price list before it was posted. I'm pretty sure when they do have to eat all these posi units, that someone will be looking over price list before they get posted on the internet :D

Slinky

10-08-2002, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by Travis Waldher

You haven't personally delt with them have you? If you have, and got their "customer service" you wouldn't be talking like that. I have only ONE good 4WPW to go to, and thats cause I know the Asst. Mgr. Other than that they are all shit. I still call it KARMA!

I really believe if the roles were reversed. 4WPW would do their best to take advantage of this. I've never had to deal with customer service dept cuz the salesman has always taken good care of me. I've always been pleased with service at the counter, even when I had to wait a bit cuz they were busy. I've always gotten good deals, always gotten them to match or beat competitors' prices.

I was in the Dallas store when a customer came in trying to get his money back on some sort of cheesy block lift kit for his old chebby. He had installed it. It was the right kit. It had been I think a month since he'd bought the kit. He hadn't even made an attempt to clean up the parts and get them back into the package/box. But he wanted his money back and he wanted it right then. The salesman was willing to take the kit in and issue a refund. But the amount was over the 4WPW cash refund limit (big signs on the walls), so the guy would have to wait for a check from corporate. I thought there was gonna be a fight. The salesman retrieved a manager. I was impressed with how the manager handled the situation. The customer calmed down and left the store. I guess he has his check by now. The salesman did nothing to warrant the customer making an ass of himself.

4WPW has never done anything to make me think they would take advantage of the situation if the roles were reversed. However, the asshole I watched that day in the store would probably think differently.

It's been my experience in 43 years on this Earth that folks expect of others the same as they expect of themselves. So if you expect everyone to try to screw you every chance they get, then that must be what you'd do to them. [Speaking with a generic 'you' here, but go ahead and wear the shoe if it fits]

BJ On Roids

10-08-2002, 11:04 PM

.97c

not a bad price, try and get them to match the price ;) again some other time

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by Daniel
GUYS!... I read every word...WOW what a sale!!!:D
I dont think any of you are going to get a locker

They were not lockers ! :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Old Scout

10-08-2002, 11:49 PM

limited slips:rolleyes: :flipoff2:

DEnd

10-09-2002, 12:42 AM

well I hope someone was smart enough to order over $20 worth of em so they could at least take them to small claims court :flipoff2:

LAME

10-09-2002, 05:25 AM

You guys bitching about 4WPW being the victim here must not have ever worked a real job. If I fuck up it can cost millions for the company I am consulting for. So what do I do? I have others check my designs and work, seems to work out good:flipoff2: This will probably just make 4WPW keep a better watch on their web page.

StudNuts

10-09-2002, 05:34 AM

PLEASE someone sell me one.....:eek: PM me if you are willing to sell one.

DRM

10-09-2002, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by Jeepin_NC
PLEASE someone sell me one.....:eek: PM me if you are willing to sell one.

Dude - we are not even sure we are gonna GET them yet... hold your horses :p

DRM

10-09-2002, 05:47 AM

You know, I am usually the one on the other side of the fense on issues like this, but this time some of you are DEAD WRONG.

I took advantage of NO-ONE.

They wrote a price down, and I offered to pay that price. Now if they lack the internal controls to check that price before shipping out the product to me, that is NOT MY FAULT.

Would I sue or even call them to push the issue? Of course not. THAT is taking advantage of the situation.

But this is the exact same as if I personally sold an item online.

If *I* don't pay attention to the price of the item I am selling...
and *I* don't pay attention to the amount of money someone sends me...

Did someone take advantage of me, or did I drop the ball as the seller? In this case - nobody is to blame but the seller.

Oxjockey

10-09-2002, 05:50 AM

Maybe it was a promotional price...after all, they're new. ;)

Bryan

bad80cj-7

10-09-2002, 06:07 AM

So who ordered them overnight? If you did please post up whether you got them or not. It would help clear some air!:)

jeepbeater

10-09-2002, 06:32 AM

I ordered them and am with DRM on this one, if they show up great. Not my problem that somebody can't check their work on things with economic consequences.

Yeah, I'm an asshole, so what.

As far as them showing up, the D60 versions are't even in production yet, so I am real curious as to how this will pan out.

sceep

10-09-2002, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by DRM
You know, I am usually the one on the other side of the fense on issues like this, but this time some of you are DEAD WRONG.

I took advantage of NO-ONE.

They wrote a price down, and I offered to pay that price. Now if they lack the internal controls to check that price before shipping out the product to me, that is NOT MY FAULT.

Would I sue or even call them to push the issue? Of course not. THAT is taking advantage of the situation.

But this is the exact same as if I personally sold an item online.

If *I* don't pay attention to the price of the item I am selling...
and *I* don't pay attention to the amount of money someone sends me...

Did someone take advantage of me, or did I drop the ball as the seller? In this case - nobody is to blame but the seller.
crap.. now theres two of us agreeing with DRM, what is the board coming too..
If they dont pony up with a substitute no skin off my back... but they DAMN WELL BETTER re-credit my card or sh!t will hit the fan.

bluesman2a

10-09-2002, 07:01 AM

Well, I ordered two-day (figured it was better to have them out and gone before anybody noticed). If I had REALLY been thinking, I would have ordered overnight.

My order: 3 ea hi/lo for the 35's and one ea for the 60's, for a total of 10 units. With shipping that was a whopping $24

We should know tomorrow.

jeepbeater

10-09-2002, 07:04 AM

Unfortunately, I only ordered stuff for the Dana 60. I think that's where I screwed up. Damn!

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 07:27 AM

cbassett and those of you on 4WPW side.

You know.. I'm glad you dont' care about other people getting screwed. 9 out of 10 people I know have been fawked over by 4WPW. I've helped a few of them get their stuff back through connections or through being a complete and total asshole in the store sometimes going as far as telling people where a better deal is if necessary right in front of the salesman.

IMO - this is karma, years of customer abuse coming back on them.

If your lucky you got a 4WPW in your town with GOOD management, on average you don't get that. Usually its some slick haired salesman that won't honor their own return policy.

Shit.. I know one guy that fought to return a 38x12.50 SX that was obviously molded wrong. He finally got a replacement tire, but that SAME store SOLD the tire to someone else I know! He almost had to go through the same thing.

As far as I'm concerned.. if anyone sues 4WPW I'm happy for them. After years of 4WPW taking advantage of their customers. I can't feel bad about some customers taking advantage of them. ;)

For example... if this was Jesse at highangle, Randy's Ring and Pinion, Central 4WD (in everett), Olympic 4x4, to name a few. If I cought this same situation I would notify them, even if I bought it and not expect to pay the wrong price. Simply out of respect for the customer service I have received.

Shagginwaggon

10-09-2002, 09:12 AM

I checked with my cc company today. They decided to charge me $80. Considering I only authorized the sale of .97¢, you tell me if 4WP is practicing by "proper business" standards? Considering they never contacted me, this is illegal. A company can not complete a sell for a price which the customer has not authorized them to do so.

So, not only do I want it at .97¢, I want them to refund my other $79.

Racin Ranger

10-09-2002, 09:21 AM

This just shows how f'd up the world is today. All you guys sound like people who would rape a girl at a party that is passed out just because you heard your buddy say he had sex with her days before. If it's wrong it's wrong. Business is business. people are in business to make money. what are you guys saying? all of you just give away products and services. If you do you wont be in business long. Everyone tries to make a buck. dont hold it against 4wp because of that. If you guys get the auburns more power to you. However I really doubt that you will considering none of those parts are made or being planned to be out ever. Auburn gear does not make any of the .97 items. Computer glitches are just that, a computer glitch, get over it and quit bad mouthing people in general. There are a whole lot of honest good people workign for 4wp maybe you haven't had the chance to get any, but me personally i have met many nice and always willing to help people from 4wp.

DRM

10-09-2002, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Racin Ranger
All you guys sound like people who would rape a girl at a party that is passed out just because you heard your buddy say he had sex with her days before.

You are obviously far smarter than I am, because this statement makes exactly ZERO sense to me... :shaking:

morpheus

10-09-2002, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by Racin Ranger
There are a whole lot of honest good people workign for 4wp maybe you haven't had the chance to get any, but me personally i have met many nice and always willing to help people from 4wp.

You have one post. Let me guess you work for 4WP and heard about this thread .... :rolleyes:

and no, I didn't buy any .97 parts ;) ... just hate to see DAN's come over here to spout off!

- jack

AthlonAJ

10-09-2002, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Racin Ranger
This just shows how f'd up the world is today. All you guys sound like people who would rape a girl at a party that is passed out just because you heard your buddy say he had sex with her days before. If it's wrong it's wrong. Business is business. people are in business to make money. what are you guys saying? all of you just give away products and services. If you do you wont be in business long. Everyone tries to make a buck. dont hold it against 4wp because of that. If you guys get the auburns more power to you. However I really doubt that you will considering none of those parts are made or being planned to be out ever. Auburn gear does not make any of the .97 items. Computer glitches are just that, a computer glitch, get over it and quit bad mouthing people in general. There are a whole lot of honest good people workign for 4wp maybe you haven't had the chance to get any, but me personally i have met many nice and always willing to help people from 4wp.
Wow your first post and you stick your neck out on the chopping block, good plan there slick. :rolleyes:

But you know what you are right about one thing, business is business and people are in business to make money. BUT what you and some others are failing to see is that they are responsible for their own errors. Regardless if it was a computer glitch or typo it's their responsibility 100% and no one elses. We as consumers have ZERO responsibility towards them to make them aware of their screwup. Unless of course they would like to add everyone to the payroll.:p

1248bullitt

10-09-2002, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by DRM

You are obviously far smarter than I am, because this statement makes exactly ZERO sense to me... :shaking:

obviously :flipoff2:

RockRanger

10-09-2002, 10:13 AM

Hey racin ranger dont you work at or use to work at the $WPH in memphis? Cant be to many people from memphis that drive a ranger on 40" tires and use the same log in name as the person on RRORC that works at 4wph. That could make you view this a bit different. And if you look at all the different places people have had problems with 4wph it is not just one bad location. It appears to be MOST of them.

Matt

MattS

10-09-2002, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by RockRanger
Hey racin ranger dont you work at or use to work at the $WPH in memphis? Cant be to many people from memphis that drive a ranger on 40" tires and use the same log in name as the person on RRORC that works at 4wph. That could make you view this a bit different. And if you look at all the different places people have had problems with 4wph it is not just one bad location. It appears to be MOST of them.

Matt

IP check isle 3 please! :evil:
Go ahead and tell us if you work there or not racin ranger. We will figure it out anyway. :flipoff2:

Oxjockey

10-09-2002, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by MattS

IP check isle 3 please! :evil:
Go ahead and tell us if you work there or not racin ranger. We will figure it out anyway. :flipoff2:

IP addy may not work if he's posting from home because he lost his job as a result of a typo. He keeps claiming it's a computer glitch, but... :flipoff2:

Bryan

BnTMike

10-09-2002, 10:42 AM

IT WAS A MISTAKE!!! DO ANY OF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A MISTAKE IS? .97 cents is NOT A DEAL!!!!!!!!!! ITS A MISTAKE!!!!
Mike-

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Shagginwaggon
I checked with my cc company today. They decided to charge me $80. Considering I only authorized the sale of .97¢, you tell me if 4WP is practicing by "proper business" standards? Considering they never contacted me, this is illegal. A company can not complete a sell for a price which the customer has not authorized them to do so.

So, not only do I want it at .97¢, I want them to refund my other $79.

LOL.. now THATS what I'm talking about regarding their business practices. Just a tip of a very large iceberg.

Even in the auto repair industry if the price changes more than what... 10%? you have to make a phone call and get it authorized?

MattS

10-09-2002, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by BnTMike
IT WAS A MISTAKE!!! DO ANY OF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A MISTAKE IS? .97 cents is NOT A DEAL!!!!!!!!!! ITS A MISTAKE!!!!
Mike-

Everyone makes mistakes and everyone pays for them. I got a ticket 3 weeks ago for 10 over. I had the cruise set ON the speed limit. Somewhere I passed a sign (one, I went back and checked) that said the limit was 55 not 65. It was dark and I just didn't see it. I got a $71 ticket for my mistake. :flipoff2:

AthlonAJ

10-09-2002, 10:59 AM

Mistakes do happen yeah but since when should a person or company not be responsible for them? Now THAT is what is wrong with this country.

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 11:00 AM

I'm starting to wonder if BnTmike is a personal stake holder in 4WPW.

He seems to think that businessess are exempt from being held accountable for their actions. Mistake or not, doesn't matter. As soon as they charged the cards they owe the product. It was their responsibility to check before posting prices online and they fawked up. Now, I hear someone was charged $80 instead of $.97 plus shipping. At the very least their customer service rep. should call EVERY person that placed the order and tell them why they can't fill it.

Much in teh same way Matt got his ticket... he just fawked up and took responsibility for it. Like a respectable person would.

Racin Ranger

10-09-2002, 11:17 AM

Yes i work at 4wp. in memphis. I have nothing to do with internet sales, or do they affect me in any way. I have nothing to gain from anything here. I just dont understand some of your views. sounds like your just trying to get something for nothing. And you wonrder why 4WP has to keep it's guard up. it's because of people like ya'll who are benefitting off of some coputer glitch.

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Racin Ranger
Yes i work at 4wp. in memphis. I have nothing to do with internet sales, or do they affect me in any way. I have nothing to gain from anything here. I just dont understand some of your views. sounds like your just trying to get something for nothing. And you wonrder why 4WP has to keep it's guard up. it's because of people like ya'll who are benefitting off of some coputer glitch.

LOL.. knew it.

I also don't understand why SOME people AND companies can't take responsibility for their actions.

This isn't about a .97 limited slip to most here... To most, its the principle of the matter.

4WP has to keep its guard up becuase of the way it conducts business. Please explain the $80 charge though... is that a good business practice?

jeepbeater

10-09-2002, 11:30 AM

Was told they will not be honoring that price becasue it was a typo and that I need to check the legal notices section of their website for the clause that holds them harmless for the misprint. Well, I dug thru it and I can't find it that the prices on their website are not guranteed. So, I'm looking into further issues.

Checked with the bank and I was even charged the incorrect amount yesterday. What a bunch of crap.

Racin Ranger

10-09-2002, 11:33 AM

as far as the 80$ charge goes whoever got that put on their card please call mark at 8774744821 5532. his ip is blocked and he can't post.

Thanks

Oxjockey

10-09-2002, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Racin Ranger
as far as the 80$ charge goes whoever got that put on their card please call mark at 8774744821 5532. his ip is blocked and he can't post.

Thanks

I, personally, would contest the charge. Get Visa involved.

Bryan

Mustard Dog

10-09-2002, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Racin Ranger
please call mark at 8774744821 5532.
Thanks

That's gonna be one phone on overtime today:eek:

DRM

10-09-2002, 11:49 AM

So I have to ask...

Knowing that these things retail for well over $300, what if the mistaken price had been $250? or maybe $150? what about $100?

What if they mistakenly lowered the price a mere $1 and you KNEW it was a typo?

See, if you are claiming to have some moral standing in this - you would not buy ANY of the products you knew were mis-labeled. Because based on MORALS - the actual ammount of the type is irrelevant...

So just be cause it was an exagerated $.97 this time, shouldn't mean SQUAT...

Shagginwaggon

10-09-2002, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by jeepbeater
Was told they will not be honoring that price becasue it was a typo and that I need to check the legal notices section of their website for the clause that holds them harmless for the misprint. Well, I dug thru it and I can't find it that the prices on their website are not guranteed. So, I'm looking into further issues.

Checked with the bank and I was even charged the incorrect amount yesterday. What a bunch of crap.

The other policy of theirs I love, is:

"Should an error occur in the shopping cart we will contact you
with the correct total for your approval, before shipping. "

Apparently not. :confused:

DRM

10-09-2002, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by Shagginwaggon

The other policy of theirs I love, is:

"Should an error occur in the shopping cart we will contact you
with the correct total for your approval, before shipping. "

Apparently not. :confused:

*actually* - since nothing has shipped yet, they are still ok on that one ;)

D60

10-09-2002, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by JeepTJ1062

My .02 I didn't order, could care less. 4WP has screwed me, my friends, and others for many years. They pride themselves on weaseling themselves through deals to make a buck or two.

I just wanted to agree w/that. Shopping w/4WPW is caveat emptor, they're nasty and have personally screwed me, and I'll make a point to tell everyone I can.

Mustard Dog

10-09-2002, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by DRM

See, if you are claiming to have some moral standing in this - you would not buy ANY of the products you knew were mis-labeled. Because based on MORALS - the actual ammount of the type is irrelevant...

Bingo:D

camo

10-09-2002, 12:00 PM

so a little birdie told me that 4wp will not be shipping any .97 L/S

they will be sending out emails soon that will explain. refunds will be issued and a 10% off on your next order coupon will also be issued.

MattS

10-09-2002, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by camo
so a little birdie told me that 4wp will not be shipping any .97 L/S

they will be sending out emails soon that will explain. refunds will be issued and a 10% off on your next order coupon will also be issued.

Make it 20% and I promise to not make any more trouble. :flipoff2:

jeepbeater

10-09-2002, 12:08 PM

Great. So I get a 10% off coupon on crap I'll never buy. Yeah ha. Don't they give you a 10% off coupn anytime you buy from them anyways. I haven't bought anything from them in 3 years and this is how they attempt to win back my business.

Oh well, was fun while it lasted.

Matt, I'm with you. Make it a little more worth my while and I'll go away quietly. :D

Shagginwaggon

10-09-2002, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by DRM

*actually* - since nothing has shipped yet, they are still ok on that one ;)

I would then contest that when an order that has been placed is .97¢, and you issue an order number with a .97¢ total, that you then do not charge the card holder $80.

4Bangler

10-09-2002, 12:19 PM

10% off your next ass-raping, ha, okay, I've already got soem of those from the last time I paid for their screwup, I'd like to use one now, so I want my f-ing Auburn for $0.87.

Yeah, I ordered 12, yeah, I was greedy, but I also wasn't planning on making a million on them either, probably wouldn't have the balls to, I had planned on if the rare occasion that 4WPW stood behind what they said/quoted/type/advertised occured and I actually received 12 units for $16.64 to give them to some of my friends that have been screwed by 4WPW in the past, and sell the rest for maybe $20 + shipping. If my card gets charged anything more than $16.64 for anything, and anything more than $0.00 for nothing, then I will have to take a week off of work and drive to the nearest 4WPW to throw something heavy through the front window.

I expect to be notified of any changes to my order and any back order status, or I expect to recieve my order at promised price, I don't think that is too much to ask.

Oxjockey

10-09-2002, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by 4Bangler
Yeah, I ordered 12

Sounds like you're getting 12 coupons for 10% off! Order something and get 20% back in cash! Woohoo! ;)

DRM

10-09-2002, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Oxjockey

Sounds like you're getting 12 coupons for 10% off! Order something and get 20% back in cash! Woohoo! ;)

Except that the "fine print" on the coupon says something like:

Not for use in AL, TN, CA, TX, MO, or states ending in the letter "o" or "a"; Valid only in person, with 3 forms of ID, at the 4wpw headquarters, where the President and VP must be present to sign off on the coupon; only valid from 11:55 to midnight on December 31, 2010; 10% off coupon is subject to 20% handling fee, and 15% "just cause we can" fee; Failure to use coupon in this manner subjects holder to a maximim fine of $10,000 or 10 years jail time, to be decided by 4wpw.

schuss

10-09-2002, 12:36 PM

I, for one, hope 4WPW catches a shitstorm for this. They tried to screw my mom out of a high lift she was ordering me for my birthday, I mean, how low is that? They shipped the "free" mounts and charged her 70 something bucks for the hi-lift plus "handling", then said that she didn't even order the mounts so she'd have to pay extra. It was only after I emailed them their own circular with the info on it that they had to give in and ship it. Even if no one gets any in the end, I hope some of you guys make them spend money to get rid of this problem.

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by DRM

Except that the "fine print" on the coupon says something like:

Not for use in AL, TN, CA, TX, MO, or states ending in the letter "o" or "a"; Valid only in person, with 3 forms of ID, at the 4wpw headquarters, where the President and VP must be present to sign off on the coupon; only valid from 11:55 to midnight on December 31, 2010; 10% off coupon is subject to 20% handling fee, and 15% "just cause we can" fee; Failure to use coupon in this manner subjects holder to a maximim fine of $10,000 or 10 years jail time, to be decided by 4wpw.

Well.. then your all fawked:

For training & hourly positions contact the store manager direct.
For Managerial position contact our corporate offices:

Four Wheel Parts - 801 West Artesia Boulevard
Attn: Store Operations
Compton, California 90220
Fax: 310-900-5539

Seems that California ends with an "a". So much for the 10% off coupon.

:flipoff2:

I still say... whooptie fawkin' doo... a WHOLE 10% off.. .wow... I'm speachless. Not a good way to win a customer over.

BillaVista

10-09-2002, 12:51 PM

Do any of the folks supporting the idea of demanding, perhaps legally, that they get their $0.97 LS have any ethical training?

I ask, because this is a fascinating problem, and I'd like someone to explain which ethical theory they ascribe to? Deontological ethics? Kant's categorical imperative? Virtue based?

I can see both sides, but I think INTENT matters a lot. Did you simply "accept a transaction" as DRM put it, or are you "seeking retribution" perhaps on behalf of someone you never even met, but just heard about?

One ethical theory is based on a simple question (extremely simplified) "What if everyone did this?" How do you answer that. Eventually, if we all take every advantage we can of the weaker, less intelligent, more prone to make mistakes, etc. we end up with a fairly degenerative "society", and eventually life becomes, as the English Philosopher Hobbs put it "nasty, brutish, and short".

Sorry for the philosophy...intersting problem.

Shagginwaggon

10-09-2002, 12:58 PM

I was told a long time ago:

If you make a mistake, and you are crucified for it, you won't make the mistake again.

It seems to hold true. Regardless of the outcome, there are some things that you do not do in business. In business, the customer isn't always right, but I'll be damned if you treat someone this way. There is no excuse for the lack of customer service here. Fine, you make mistakes, we all make mistakes. But, you don't overcharge people, lie to them, treat them in a bad way, and then expect them to be loyal for life.

Maybe this will open their eyes.....if not, time will tell how much longer they can do it, and stay in business.

IndyCJ

10-09-2002, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by BillaVista
Do any of the folks supporting the idea of demanding, perhaps legally, that they get their $0.97 LS have any ethical training?

I ask, because this is a fascinating problem, and I'd like someone to explain which ethical theory they ascribe to? Deontological ethics? Kant's categorical imperative? Virtue based?

I can see both sides, but I think INTENT matters a lot. Did you simply "accept a transaction" as DRM put it, or are you "seeking retribution" perhaps on behalf of someone you never even met, but just heard about?

One ethical theory is based on a simple question (extremely simplified) "What if everyone did this?" How do you answer that. Eventually, if we all take every advantage we can of the weaker, less intelligent, more prone to make mistakes, etc. we end up with a fairly degenerative "society", and eventually life becomes, as the English Philosopher Hobbs put it "nasty, brutish, and short".

Sorry for the philosophy...intersting problem.

Very interesting problem.

Yes, I ordered two. Do I need them? No. Do I expect them? No. Hell, I don't even really care if I get a 'coupon'. I actually just found it amusing, that's why I only ordered two. I figured 1.94 out of my checking account was pretty damn funny, and thought it was worth the bones.

I'd also like to add this.

For those of you that did order them and are all "dude, if I don't get them, I'm gonna sue, blah, blah, blah". Give me a fawking break, it was a mistake. I hope that any of you NEVER make a mistake in your life, cause if you do, and I catch you, I'm gonna laugh my ass off and post it.

For those of you that are all "High and mighty, Mr. small business owner, blah, blah, blah". I hope that I never catch you when someone, anyone, sometime gives you 50 cents more change back than you deserve. If you take it, (and you will) I'm gonna give you a big :flipoff2: and laugh my ass off as well.

Some of you guys have taken this WAY to fawkin seriously, on both sides of the coin! Christ, it was a mistake, there was pack mentality (which I admit that I fell into), and it was entertaining.

For 1.94, I believe that I got alot of entertainment, mostly from some of the responses that were posted on this board.

Oh, and for all you 'conspiracy theorists', I don't work for 4WPW :rolleyes: and couldn't care less about their 'customer service'. I look for price. If they are less and I get what I want, cool. If I don't, fine, I'll go elsewhere.

Now, back to the bickering...... :D

1248bullitt

10-09-2002, 01:05 PM

DRM

10-09-2002, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by BillaVista
IOne ethical theory is based on a simple question (extremely simplified) "What if everyone did this?" How do you answer that. Eventually, if we all take every advantage we can of the weaker, less intelligent, more prone to make mistakes, etc. we end up with a fairly degenerative "society", and eventually life becomes, as the English Philosopher Hobbs put it "nasty, brutish, and short".

Seems to me that is how they are already running their business ;)

BTW - the charge still shows as pending on my card... for $3.88 :p

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 01:13 PM

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by IndyCJ

For those of you that are all "High and mighty, Mr. small business owner, blah, blah, blah". I hope that I never catch you when someone, anyone, sometime gives you 50 cents more change back than you deserve. If you take it, (and you will) I'm gonna give you a big :flipoff2: and laugh my ass off as well.

Actually... yes I do. with ONE exception. If the guy/girl on the other side of the counter has been a dick/bitch to me. I will take the extra change and walk away as my "fee" for having to deal with them.

I think most people fall in to that catagory.

IndyCJ

10-09-2002, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Travis Waldher

Actually... yes I do. with ONE exception. If the guy/girl on the other side of the counter has been a dick/bitch to me. I will take the extra change and walk away as my "fee" for having to deal with them.

I think most people fall in to that catagory.

Christ, an 'exception' :rolleyes:

So you are the 'all knowing' and decide other people's fate by deciding whether or not they are a dick/bitch?

I think that it's probably the fact that they want you out of their store and it's worth the extra 50 cents to get you out of there. :flipoff2:

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by IndyCJ

Christ, an 'exception' :rolleyes:

So you are the 'all knowing' and decide other people's fate by deciding whether or not they are a dick/bitch?

I think that it's probably the fact that they want you out of their store and it's worth the extra 50 cents to get you out of there. :flipoff2:

Not all knowing, just someone that expect this thing called customer service. I don't go in acting like an ass, 99% of the time I am patient with people, etc. but, if they choose to treat me like shit.. I'll crap right back on them.

If you say you don't do the same thing, your a hypocrite. Or you get walked on all your life.

I pay for customer service, I'll pay more than the "cheapest" price on the market if the service is there behind the product. If they want to treat me like shit, then they give me a refund on accident or give me more change. As far as I am concerned they paid me for having to deal with them. Its called FAIR. ;)

Customer Service - something that very few people on this planet understand anymore.

BnTMike

10-09-2002, 01:56 PM

I must have the wrong kind of morals..... And If I catch a cashier giving me extra change I GIVE IT BACK!!...... When I get a part from a supplier that I dont get charged for I call them and tell them and get charged for it... I was taught that was the right thing to do but hey to each his own...IM NOT DEFENDING 4WP!! crappy service is crappy service...

I guess thinking that people would say "thats odd, a Posi for .97 cents" NO MATTER WHO ITS FROM and maybe calling to find out more info..now its all blown up Whatever:rolleyes:

Mike-

brector

10-09-2002, 01:58 PM

Got my email:

Dear brian rector,

Thank you for your recent purchase and decision to shop with 4WheelParts.com the leader in four wheel parts and accessories.

We regret to inform you that the products that you ordered where mis-priced as you are well aware of. As our site denotes, pricing errors may not be held against us. We strive to offer the best prices on the best off-road products everyday.

We are very sorry about the misunderstanding that led to your order. We are not able to fill your order because the parts are not available from Auburn and will not be produced any time in the future. We have credited back any funds that were charged at the time of the order. Should you think that your card was not credited back properly please contact us a.s.a.p. so that we may correct the problem.

As a way of expressing our apology for the mix-up, we will be offering a 15% discount towards your next ON-LINE purchase with 4 Wheel Parts. This can be combined with any other ON-LINE offer. In order to take advantage of this offer just place your order and reference your original order number in the comment section and we will apply the discount on the back end.

We at 4WheelParts.com apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Please feel free to contact us either by e-mail and or phone with any questions or concerns that you may have.

Best Regards,

4 Wheel Parts Wholesalers

877-474-4821

MattS

10-09-2002, 01:59 PM

Hey Camo: :flipoff2:

The E-mail I just got:

_____________________________________________
Dear Matt Stevens,

Thank you for your recent purchase and decision to shop with 4WheelParts.com the leader in four wheel parts and accessories.

We regret to inform you that the products that you ordered where mis-priced as you are well aware of. As our site denotes, pricing errors may not be held against us. We strive to offer the best prices on the best off-road products everyday.

We are very sorry about the misunderstanding that led to your order. We are not able to fill your order because the parts are not available from Auburn and will not be produced any time in the future. We have credited back any funds that were charged at the time of the order. Should you think that your card was not credited back properly please contact us a.s.a.p. so that we may correct the problem.

As a way of expressing our apology for the mix-up, we will be offering a 15% discount towards your next ON-LINE purchase with 4 Wheel Parts. This can be combined with any other ON-LINE offer. In order to take advantage of this offer just place your order and reference your original order number in the comment section and we will apply the discount on the back end.

We at 4WheelParts.com apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Please feel free to contact us either by e-mail and or phone with any questions or concerns that you may have.

Best Regards,

4 Wheel Parts Wholesalers

877-474-4821
__________________________________________________ _

sceep

10-09-2002, 01:59 PM

just got my e-mail

Dear NATE,

Thank you for your recent purchase and decision to shop with 4WheelParts.com the leader in four wheel parts and accessories.

We regret to inform you that the products that you ordered where mis-priced as you are well aware of. As our site denotes, pricing errors may not be held against us. We strive to offer the best prices on the best off-road products everyday.

We are very sorry about the misunderstanding that led to your order. We are not able to fill your order because the parts are not available from Auburn and will not be produced any time in the future. We have credited back any funds that were charged at the time of the order. Should you think that your card was not credited back properly please contact us a.s.a.p. so that we may correct the problem.

As a way of expressing our apology for the mix-up, we will be offering a 15% discount towards your next ON-LINE purchase with 4 Wheel Parts. This can be combined with any other ON-LINE offer. In order to take advantage of this offer just place your order and reference your original order number in the comment section and we will apply the discount on the back end.

We at 4WheelParts.com apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Please feel free to contact us either by e-mail and or phone with any questions or concerns that you may have.

Best Regards,

4 Wheel Parts Wholesalers

877-474-4821

:(

guess i wont be seing the 10 i ordered

bad80cj-7

10-09-2002, 02:00 PM

Just got mine as well! You win some you lose some!

jeepbeater

10-09-2002, 02:00 PM

Thank you for your recent purchase and decision to shop with 4WheelParts.com the leader in four wheel parts and accessories.

We regret to inform you that the products that you ordered where mis-priced as you are well aware of. As our site denotes, pricing errors may not be held against us. We strive to offer the best prices on the best off-road products everyday.

We are very sorry about the misunderstanding that led to your order. We are not able to fill your order because the parts are not available from Auburn and will not be produced any time in the future. We have credited back any funds that were charged at the time of the order. Should you think that your card was not credited back properly please contact us a.s.a.p. so that we may correct the problem.

As a way of expressing our apology for the mix-up, we will be offering a 15% discount towards your next ON-LINE purchase with 4 Wheel Parts. This can be combined with any other ON-LINE offer. In order to take advantage of this offer just place your order and reference your original order number in the comment section and we will apply the discount on the back end.

We at 4WheelParts.com apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Please feel free to contact us either by e-mail and or phone with any questions or concerns that you may have.

Best Regards,

4 Wheel Parts Wholesalers

877-474-4821

DRM

10-09-2002, 02:01 PM

Got my 15% email too :p

Guess I will aply my 15% to some stainless brake lines and they get my money after all ;)

In the end, this works out to THEIR favor - they get tons of people who are hitting their site, a few of us get 15% off for spending MORE money with them, and most people are not gonna hold the pricing error against them anyway ;)

Guess who comes out on top? :D

jeepbeater

10-09-2002, 02:02 PM

THis blows, becasue I can't find the reference to pricing errors. Whatever.

Now I have to deal with getting my credit card fixed up with this crap.

DRM

10-09-2002, 02:03 PM

Wow - some of you need to pay attention to WHAT WAS ALREADY POSTED :p:p:p

Slackers got in such a hurry you jizzed all over yourself ;)

sceep

10-09-2002, 02:03 PM

you know.. i still cant seem to find anywhere on the site where this is stated?? anyone else???

As our site denotes, pricing errors may not be held against us. We strive to offer the best prices on the best off-road products everyday. :confused:

while browsing i did find this though
The President's Corner

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have built this business on the philosophy that I can't have a successful business without you (our customer) having a good experience. Customer satisfaction is the key to success! I have worked very hard to hire, teach and keep only the best people in the industry.
As a company, customer satisfaction is always a topic of conversation. What do our customers want? How can we get better? What can we do to improve each customer's experience with 4 Wheel Parts? I know that customer service is defined by 4 Wheel Parts. Most importantly, customer satisfaction is defined only by each customer and their experience.

I can't improve customer satisfaction without your feedback. I want to hear about your great experiences with 4 Wheel Parts. I also want to hear from you if you had a bad experience or an unresolved problem. I want to improve 4 Wheel Parts and continue to earn your business.

You can contact me at the following:

The President's Hot Line - (310) 900-5537
The President's Email - president@4wheelparts.com
I look forward to hearing from you,

Greg Adler

please feel free to voice any and all customer service problems directly to "The Prez"

morpheus

10-09-2002, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by brector

We regret to inform you that the products that you ordered where mis-priced as you are well aware of.

what a smart ass response they gave you ... good grief.

- jack

4Bangler

10-09-2002, 02:04 PM

I just got the same e-mail, I'm happy with that, as long as my card gets refunded in full.

Like I am ever going to use a 15% discount on their 25% mark up + 5% handling fee + 10% re-stocking fee after they send you the wrong part + 3% margin creep after you hang up with the salesman + additional percentage to be determined by astrological signs.......crap.

camo

10-09-2002, 02:11 PM

so what i wanna know is why are they advertising a product at any price if the product will not ever be made ?

BnTMike

10-09-2002, 02:14 PM

SO who thinks the handled the situation within proper reason???????????? Fair? Unfair? IM GONNA SUE UM???

Mike-

IndyCJ

10-09-2002, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by BnTMike
SO who thinks the handled the situation within proper reason???????????? Fair? Unfair? IM GONNA SUE UM???

Mike-

Extremely fair. Now if I play my cards right, I'll wait for a 10% off sale, and free shipping, and get 4 swampers. :D

Excellent. Best non-money I ever spent. :D

bad80cj-7

10-09-2002, 02:19 PM

"We regret to inform you that the products that you ordered where mis-priced as you are well aware of"

Thanks, for the smart ass comment! This is exactly why we did what we did. You need to work on your customer service! I am in the distribution business, and yes we would honor our mistake with a comparative product of the customers choice. You are the ultimate looser in this one!

This is my email back to them. I know its not worded as well as some would have but its the best I could do for now!:D

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by BnTMike
I must have the wrong kind of morals..... And If I catch a cashier giving me extra change I GIVE IT BACK!!...... When I get a part from a supplier that I dont get charged for I call them and tell them and get charged for it... I was taught that was the right thing to do but hey to each his own...IM NOT DEFENDING 4WP!! crappy service is crappy service...

I guess thinking that people would say "thats odd, a Posi for .97 cents" NO MATTER WHO ITS FROM and maybe calling to find out more info..now its all blown up Whatever:rolleyes:

Mike-

I was taught the same thing. Problem is... I also don't like being walked on. As far as I'm concerned, if they are "asses" and screw themselves over I usually let it be and let them take the loss. Never doing business with them again.

DRM

10-09-2002, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by camo
so what i wanna know is why are they advertising a product at any price if the product will not ever be made ?

They also listed 2 models for Dana 35 C axles at that sme price... are they being made? Because someone on here ordered a few of those as well...

brector

10-09-2002, 02:23 PM

Damn you post happy clowns!!! :D

sceep

10-09-2002, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by IndyCJ

Extremely fair. Now if I play my cards right, I'll wait for a 10% off sale, and free shipping, and get 4 swampers. :D

Excellent. Best non-money I ever spent. :D

hell yeah.. thats exactly what i was thinking.. ;)

4Bangler

10-09-2002, 02:26 PM

Does this mean that next time some poor sap buys some peice of shit from those bastards because their website advertised a price ten bucks less then the next guys price that he will get an e-mail telling him that it was a mistake and he'll pay $20 more or get no shiny new piece of shit?

A what point does the "mistake" become acceptable? 10%? 20%? 30%?

That's the shit they have been slinging for years, ever have them tell you "...if you order it today I can let you have it for....." That is when I hang up. I don't know how many times I've told my buddies not to bother when they tell me "I just got a quote from 4WPW for $200 less than the guy you recommended...." I usually pick up the phone and try to get that same salesman to make me that deal...usually it's a no-go, and on three separate occasions, orders have been placed and the quoted price some how got blurry between the moment the phone was hung up and when the bill arrived, I'm sorry if I'm just plain too picky, but I expect the price that I am told on the phone to be EXACTLY what is reflected on my bill, I always ask, "what's my total?" and I write it down, everyone else I order from hits it down to the penny.

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by BnTMike
SO who thinks the handled the situation within proper reason???????????? Fair? Unfair? IM GONNA SUE UM???

Mike-

They could have done without the sarcasm. They could also have done without the lies too.. Regarding their online pricing. (no one bieng able to find the legal disclaimer they are talking about.

I think they handled in a semi-fair way. 15% discount is not much, almost guarantees they'll have return business equalling more than the cost of that auburn, etc.

I have mixed feelings. :p

DRM

10-09-2002, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by 4Bangler
Does this mean that next time some poor sap buys some peice of shit from those bastards because their website advertised a price ten bucks less then the next guys price that he will get an e-mail telling him that it was a mistake and he'll pay $20 more or get no shiny new piece of shit?

A what point does the "mistake" become acceptable? 10%? 20%? 30%?

Good point. I guess at any time they can cancel ANY order if they decide all of a sudden the profit margins are not there like they want...

BTW - their legal page says NOTHING about pricing...

sceep

10-09-2002, 02:37 PM

I wish there was a way i knew to print out/ screen shot, their whole site easily.. im tempted (not to be greedy and get my LS's) to call Mr. Prez's bluff, that there is no wording on theire site @ the current moment about this pricing errors BS. anyone have any ideas.. I just want to have proof to throw in his face that he IS in the wrong......

MattS

10-09-2002, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by BnTMike
SO who thinks the handled the situation within proper reason???????????? Fair? Unfair? IM GONNA SUE UM???

Mike-

Within proper reason? Maybe. Fair? Maybe. But I think if they really wanted our business they would give something like 25% or 35% off. You know like GIVING US SOMETHING. As of right now with the 15% off they are making $$ on whatever I buy. They run 15% off deals all the time. I refuse to give them any of my $$ on general principle. The only reason I even placed an order was for the fun of it. I never expected to get one.

Gouky

10-09-2002, 02:40 PM

heck, i'm in the middle of a 535$ battle with 4WP

anyone ever notice that the bill you get when you order something has 99cents added to every item you ordered... karma, it's all it is.

the last e-mail i got from 2wp was this

---begin---
(;

Sincerely,
Robert Lowery
Technical Specialist
4 Wheel Parts
877-474-4821 ext 5202
rlowery@4wheelparts.com
---end---

what the hell is that all about? either way, i decided to take it up with the credit card company, they will get the money back one way or another.

if i ever need anything from 4wp ever again, i plan on calling the Memphis store directly, they have a decent bunch of people there and 99cents does not get added to every item purchased.

MattS

10-09-2002, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by sceep
I wish there was a way i knew to print out/ screen shot, their whole site easily.. im tempted (not to be greedy and get my LS's) to call Mr. Prez's bluff, that there is no wording on theire site @ the current moment about this pricing errors BS. anyone have any ideas.. I just want to have proof to throw in his face that he IS in the wrong......

Think like an attorney. I do. And I also can read what they list on the disclaimer as should you. ;)

http://www.4wheelparts.com/legalnote.asp?id=7SA6165STJSR2GBU00AKHLV8E3A1FSWD

and I quote in the FIRST paragraph no less!!

"Four Wheel Parts Wholesalers MAY MODIFY THIS AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME, AND SUCH MODIFICATIONS SHALL BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UPON POSTING OF THE MODIFIED AGREEMENT ON THE SITE. YOU AGREE TO REVIEW THE AGREEMENT PERIODICALLY TO BE AWARE OF SUCH MODIFICATIONS AND YOUR CONTINUED ACCESS OR USE OF THE SITE SHALL BE DEEMED YOUR CONCLUSIVE ACCEPTANCE OF THE MODIFIED AGREEMENT."

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by MattS

Think like an attorney. I do. And I also can read what they list on the disclaimer as should you. ;)

http://www.4wheelparts.com/legalnote.asp?id=7SA6165STJSR2GBU00AKHLV8E3A1FSWD

and I quote in the FIRST paragraph no less!!

"Four Wheel Parts Wholesalers MAY MODIFY THIS AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME, AND SUCH MODIFICATIONS SHALL BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UPON POSTING OF THE MODIFIED AGREEMENT ON THE SITE. YOU AGREE TO REVIEW THE AGREEMENT PERIODICALLY TO BE AWARE OF SUCH MODIFICATIONS AND YOUR CONTINUED ACCESS OR USE OF THE SITE SHALL BE DEEMED YOUR CONCLUSIVE ACCEPTANCE OF THE MODIFIED AGREEMENT."

You referring to:

section 2, paragraph 1:
"OR THAT DEFECTS IN THE SERVICE WILL BE CORRECTED. "

as far as pricing is concerned?

BnTMike

10-09-2002, 03:12 PM

my guess is 4wp has an armor plate over there buisness..... If you dig into it, somewhere they are protected against everything...

Mike-

MattS

10-09-2002, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Travis Waldher
You referring to:

section 2, paragraph 1:
"OR THAT DEFECTS IN THE SERVICE WILL BE CORRECTED. "

as far as pricing is concerned?

I'm referring to the section that says they can change it whenever they want and you have to agree to the changes. The last line could read: "Every order over $1000 requires the end user to shove coconuts up their ass or the warranty will be void and a 35% surcharge added"

That's what I mean! :flipoff2:

rockota

10-09-2002, 03:17 PM

I can't believe you all missed the most illegal activity of all... 4WP CANNOT charge your CC UNTIL the product ships!! Sheesh...

Personally, I think their response is dumb. DRM brought up the question of at what $$ should someone ASSUME that the price is a mistake? What will prevent them from sending out another email like this in the future stating the same thing on a normal priced product?

As to the disclaimer being changed - that's fine. They can change it. But the change can only legally (I believe) take effect for orders placed AFTER the change has been posted.

As for your 15% off... You once again missed the fact that it's not valid with ANY OTHER OFFER.. So much for 15% off of that 20% off sale... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You all got screwed... :rolleyes: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by MattS

I'm referring to the section that says they can change it whenever they want and you have to agree to the changes. The last line could read: "Every order over $1000 requires the end user to shove coconuts up their ass or the warranty will be void and a 35% surcharge added"

That's what I mean! :flipoff2:

Yeah.. I know BUT! They haven't posted it yet. Therefore any changes they may have made recently are null and void UNTIL it is posted on their website.

(hiring any contract proofers? :p)

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by rockota

As to the disclaimer being changed - that's fine. They can change it. But the change can only legally (I believe) take effect for orders placed AFTER the change has been posted.

another good point... I highly doubt the contract change could be considered retro-active.

MattS

10-09-2002, 03:33 PM

Would you clowns read the disclaimer and then reply! Jeez. It only says in about 38 different ways they are not responsible. Here's just a few: :mad:

"You agree to indemnify, defend and hold harmless Four Wheel Parts Wholesalers, its officers, directors, employees, agents, licensors, suppliers and any third party information providers to the Service from and against all losses, expenses, damages and costs, including reasonable attorneys' fees, resulting from any violation of this Agreement (including negligent or wrongful conduct) by you or any other person accessing the Service."

"LIMITATION OF LIABILITY

IN NO EVENT WILL Four Wheel Parts Wholesalers BE LIABLE FOR (I) ANY INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR INDIRECT DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, BUSINESS INTERRUPTION, LOSS OF PROGRAMS OR INFORMATION, AND THE LIKE) ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE THE SERVICE, OR ANY INFORMATION, OR TRANSACTIONS PROVIDED ON THE SERVICE, OR DOWNLOADED FROM THE SERVICE, OR ANY DELAY OF SUCH INFORMATION OR SERVICE. EVEN IF Four Wheel Parts Wholesalers OR ITS AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVES HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES, OR (II) ANY CLAIM ATTRIBUTABLE TO ERRORS, OMISSIONS, OR OTHER INACCURACIES IN THE SERVICE AND/OR MATERIALS OR INFORMATION DOWNLOADED THROUGH THE SERVICE. BECAUSE SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL DAMAGES, THE ABOVE LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. IN SUCH STATES, Four Wheel Parts Wholesalers'S LIABILITY IS LIMITED TO THE GREATEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW. "

Give it up already!

BnTMike

10-09-2002, 03:40 PM

um ya... what he said...

Mike-

BJ On Roids

10-09-2002, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by MattS

I'm referring to the section that says they can change it whenever they want and you have to agree to the changes. The last line could read: "Every order over $1000 requires the end user to shove coconuts up their ass or the warranty will be void and a 35% surcharge added"

That's what I mean! :flipoff2:

BAHAHAHAHA
:flipoff2:

how many coconuts and of what sizing? :eek: :p

4Bangler

10-09-2002, 03:47 PM

I feel this is appropriate at this juncture....

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=912742

Jason M

10-09-2002, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by BJ On Roids

BAHAHAHAHA
:flipoff2:

how many coconuts and of what sizing? :eek: :p

And what type of swallows would be used to transport the coconnuts?? African or European ;)

:p

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 03:52 PM

I like reading things literally... I read this first part about 10 times now.

Originally posted by MattS
Would you clowns read the disclaimer and then reply! Jeez. It only says in about 38 different ways they are not responsible. Here's just a few: :mad:

"You agree to indemnify, defend and hold harmless Four Wheel Parts Wholesalers, its officers, directors, employees, agents, licensors, suppliers and any third party information providers to the Service from and against all losses, expenses, damages and costs, including reasonable attorneys' fees, resulting from any violation of this Agreement (including negligent or wrongful conduct) by you or any other person accessing the Service."

This states that if I or anyone else accessing the service break the agreement. Now.. you could argue their corporate officers "access" the service, but if you ever took it to court, I doubt the judge would take their side.

The way I am reading that, it is binding me, the person accessing this site to the agreement, not their officers.

Originally posted by MattS
"LIMITATION OF LIABILITY

IN NO EVENT WILL Four Wheel Parts Wholesalers BE LIABLE FOR (I) ANY INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR INDIRECT DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, BUSINESS INTERRUPTION, LOSS OF PROGRAMS OR INFORMATION, AND THE LIKE) ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE THE SERVICE, OR ANY INFORMATION, OR TRANSACTIONS PROVIDED ON THE SERVICE, OR DOWNLOADED FROM THE SERVICE, OR ANY DELAY OF SUCH INFORMATION OR SERVICE. EVEN IF Four Wheel Parts Wholesalers OR ITS AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVES HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES, OR (II) ANY CLAIM ATTRIBUTABLE TO ERRORS, OMISSIONS, OR OTHER INACCURACIES IN THE SERVICE AND/OR MATERIALS OR INFORMATION DOWNLOADED THROUGH THE SERVICE. BECAUSE SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL DAMAGES, THE ABOVE LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. IN SUCH STATES, Four Wheel Parts Wholesalers'S LIABILITY IS LIMITED TO THE GREATEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW. "

Give it up already!

Its not that I am looking to prosecute... I Just think they violated their contract. Every time I have read it, it never says anything that supports their claim.

The second part with the:
"ANY CLAIM ATTRIBUTABLE TO ERRORS, OMISSIONS, OR OTHER INACCURACIES IN THE SERVICE AND/OR MATERIALS OR INFORMATION DOWNLOADED THROUGH THE SERVICE"

I only had to read that 40 times to figure out what they meant to say, and I still get the feeling there is wiggle room in the wording to nail them to the wall with.
Still... only holds if your state allows such limitations.

Doesn't matter.. legally right or not. 4WPW sucks as far as customer service goes. I'm not in it for the legal argument, I'm just here stating fact. Their president is also a liar, he isn't standing by his words. If he didn't have the nuts to back up his letter to the "customers" he shouldn't have posted it for the world to see.

:)

BJ On Roids

10-09-2002, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Jason M

And what type of swallows would be used to transport the coconnuts?? African or European ;)

:p

all good questions!

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by Jason M

And what type of swallows would be used to transport the coconnuts?? African or European ;)

:p

I heard they were using African. Just remember, when you get bit by one of those contagious misquito's, its not their fault. :flipoff2:

welndmn

10-09-2002, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by BnTMike
I must have the wrong kind of morals..... And If I catch a cashier giving me extra change I GIVE IT BACK!!...... When I get a part from a supplier that I dont get charged for I call them and tell them and get charged for it... I was taught that was the right thing to do but hey to each his own...IM NOT DEFENDING 4WP!! crappy service is crappy service...

I guess thinking that people would say "thats odd, a Posi for .97 cents" NO MATTER WHO ITS FROM and maybe calling to find out more info..now its all blown up Whatever:rolleyes:

Mike-

Don't worry mike, Tons of us agree with you, and am glad people still have morals, i just chose to keep quite in the post

MattS

10-09-2002, 04:04 PM

I don't really care what the legal mumbo jumbo says. I have that crap cross my desk all the time and they all look the same. It's a friggen form all attorney's use and plug in the names of each client. It must work or they would not use it.

We all agree they are assholes. Some of us knew that before this thread was started. Now a few others have seen the light. We are all winners. I'm going to try and sell my 15% off coupon over on that "other" site and see what happens. :evil:

Oh, and BTW it's African swallows. :flipoff2:

http://www.montypython.net/cgi-bin/dl3/grail.cgi?migrate2.wav

4Bangler

10-09-2002, 04:23 PM

Wow, I don't think this thread could have gotten any bigger or anymore out of hand any faster if it had "MR4WD" in the title.

I feel this is appropriate more now than ever.....

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=912742

Jason M

10-09-2002, 04:34 PM

So if 4WP was using african swallows to deliver these coconuts and LS and they happened to get a batch of european swallows by mistake (which we all know that a single european swallow cannot fly with the same load that one of their african cohorts can) would, according to their contract, they be held lible????

:confused:

Rerard

10-09-2002, 04:56 PM

Hey DRM...

You should ask yourself:

"What would Jesus do?"

:flipoff2:

BnTMike

10-09-2002, 05:17 PM

I knew you where lurkin' WHEELIN DEMON!!;) I know a bunch of people on this board agree with me but are tired of the BS.. so they LURK..:p AND:laughing: :laughing:

mike-

Flatty

10-09-2002, 05:40 PM

Geez just kill it already. Yea, I agree with Mike as well, but at the same time if they shippped it, Iwould jump on it. Since they caught it, they realized they made a mistake. They DID NOT ship the LS's, but did give yuo the 15% off and you people are still BITCIN!!! Give it up already, you got 15% off your next order, for NOTHING!!!!

Dimitri

Mustard Dog

10-09-2002, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by welndmn

Don't worry mike, Tons of us agree with you, and am glad people still have morals, i just chose to keep quite in the post

:D :D :D

Big Rich

10-09-2002, 06:44 PM

I try to stay out of these.........but,

I agree Mike

Snowball for president!!!!!!!!!!

Rich

DRM

10-09-2002, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by rockota
As for your 15% off... You once again missed the fact that it's not valid with ANY OTHER OFFER.. So much for 15% off of that 20% off sale... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You all got screwed... :rolleyes: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

And just what letter are YOU reading? Because the email *I* got said this rather clearly:

"As a way of expressing our apology for the mix-up, we will be offering a 15% discount towards your next ON-LINE purchase with 4 Wheel Parts. This can be combined with any other ON-LINE offer."

;)

As for WWJD - I dunno... but I will be sure to ask Him when I see Him :p

cbassett

10-09-2002, 07:44 PM

If you don't know then you're a slow study.
And that you "know" you'll see Him is one of the pitfalls and annoyances of modern day christianity...

:p

(couldn't let this pile of bile thread die just yet could we?)

Curtis

10-09-2002, 08:44 PM

Man was this a funny thread. Mike, I'm right there with you.

I am ashamed of some people and have lost TONS of respect I had for others because of this fiasco. It was mob mentality leading to a mass looting of a business just like those we all watched on TV after the Rodney King verdicts in LA. Yeah, remember those? Remember how you sat there in disgust people would do that? hrumpf.

Oh and BTW, after a quick 1 minute look at their website I found this:

AND Four Wheel Parts Wholesalers SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY PRICING ERRORS,

http://www.4wheelparts.com/legalnote.asp under #2 Use of this Site

Travis Waldher

10-09-2002, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Curtis
Man was this a funny thread. Mike, I'm right there with you.

I am ashamed of some people and have lost TONS of respect I had for others because of this fiasco. It was mob mentality leading to a mass looting of a business just like those we all watched on TV after the Rodney King verdicts in LA. Yeah, remember those? Remember how you sat there in disgust people would do that? hrumpf.

Oh and BTW, after a quick 1 minute look at their website I found this:

http://www.4wheelparts.com/legalnote.asp under #2 Use of this Site

Now be fair... that little disclaimer as VERY recently added. ;)

Me? I don't like the company in general... never have.. Not mob mentality for me. :flipoff2:

DRM

10-09-2002, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Curtis
Man was this a funny thread. Mike, I'm right there with you.

I am ashamed of some people and have lost TONS of respect I had for others because of this fiasco. It was mob mentality leading to a mass looting of a business just like those we all watched on TV after the Rodney King verdicts in LA. Yeah, remember those? Remember how you sat there in disgust people would do that? hrumpf.

Oh and BTW, after a quick 1 minute look at their website I found this:

http://www.4wheelparts.com/legalnote.asp under #2 Use of this Site

lol - leave it to Curtis to make some heart wrenching analogy as a veiled attempt to call people names :laughing:

BTW - that little line was added AFTER all of this came about, in case you think nobody took the time to read that before now ;)

Mob mentality... I am crying over her :laughing:

AthlonAJ

10-09-2002, 09:04 PM

How about this theory...the price typo was never a typo, it was done intentionally. :eek: Knowing full well how something like this might quickly spread across the net and that they would not have to legally honor those prices they did it as a business stunt. Then they correct it, send out apologies with a 15% lure and see who bites. And just like any other sales event, people tend to make larger purchases when there is a discount to take better advantage of it.

Was it really a mistake or something more...sinister:evil:

Curtis

10-09-2002, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by DRM

lol - leave it to Curtis to make some heart wrenching analogy as a veiled attempt to call people names :laughing:

BTW - that little line was added AFTER all of this came about, in case you think nobody took the time to read that before now ;)

Mob mentality... I am crying over her :laughing:

Yeah, whatever :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

CoryL

10-09-2002, 09:16 PM

I will ask this: you see a $20 bill on the ground. You look around and no one is looking for it. It didnt just fall out of someone's pocket or purse. What do you do? Do you pick it up, pocket it and keep walking? Do you take the time out of your day to visit every shop along the strip you are at to ask if anyone lost it? Report it to the police? Do you loudly ask if anyone dropped $20? And when 10 people all come up to you claiming it was theirs, who do you give it to?

As for myself, I pocket it. Have I lost money before? Yes. Did I get pissed thinking someone didn't take the time to track me down, no? It was my fault I lost it and I have lived with my moments of temporary stupidity. It taught me to watch my money more closely.

Call me what you will, I don't care.

I wasn't sitting in my chair stroking my moustache thinking of other ways to screw over 4WPW.

I just thought it would be fun to say that I bought a L/S for $0.97.

The humor coming from this thread was well worth it.

...and I even got some schooling in morality.

randii

10-09-2002, 09:22 PM

....you see a $20 bill on the ground. You look around and no one is looking for it. It didnt just fall out of someone's pocket or purse. What do you do? Do you pick it up, pocket it and keep walking?
Problem with your metaphor is that you SAW the $20 fall our of 4WPW's pocket.

BJ On Roids

10-09-2002, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by AthlonAJ
How about this theory...the price typo was never a typo, it was done intentionally. :eek: Knowing full well how something like this might quickly spread across the net and that they would not have to legally honor those prices they did it as a business stunt. Then they correct it, send out apologies with a 15% lure and see who bites. And just like any other sales event, people tend to make larger purchases when there is a discount to take better advantage of it.

Was it really a mistake or something more...sinister:evil:
this could well be one of the better viral marketing schemes out there today!!

and a good point, this can really only work in there favour, imagine the additional advertising and business they are getting RIGHT NOW, they are also getting free advertising on this site

although i admit, i too had a great laugh over all of this
its been funny as, and to hit 10 pages in a couple days, rather than weeks, like some other topics

AWESOME

camo

10-09-2002, 09:36 PM

morals be damned. i will take any legal advantage of any company i find and oppertunity. i am a consumer and it is my right to do so. it is a us vrs them issue. us being the consumer and them being corp. america. do you think they sit around the board room discussing how to be moraly responsible or how to pry that dollar out of your pocket any way possible? if companys were trying to do the right thing do you think banks would have 18% intrest on credit cards? would RJ renolds be advertising addicting tobacco to children ? hell no. all any company wants to do is make a profit at your expense. your job as a consumer is to look out for yourself not the company. now don't take my words to mean that one should break the law or even lie. but in this case if a major parts company is not wise enuff to proof read thier price list then that is just to bad. in this case i think they got lucky. i would have loved to see them take a huge hit. oh well maybe next time.

DRM

10-09-2002, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by randii
....you see a $20 bill on the ground. You look around and no one is looking for it. It didnt just fall out of someone's pocket or purse. What do you do? Do you pick it up, pocket it and keep walking?
Problem with your metaphor is that you SAW the $20 fall our of 4WPW's pocket.

So lets take it one step further...

You see that $20 fall out of 4wpw's pocket. (you motice the pricing error)
They know you saw the $20 fall from their pocket (you sent an email trying to buy something for the low price)

If they don't get the $20 back from you (they go ahead and sell it to you for the low price) - who is to blame?

To Re-cap:

- I saw a L/S priced for $.97
- I emailed them TELLING them I not only say the price, I want to buy several of them at that price.

Again - if they agree to that purchase amd send me the itme(s), you are telling me *I* did something immoral?

Interesting :rolleyes:

MattS

10-09-2002, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by camo
morals be damned. i will take any legal advantage of any company i find and oppertunity. i am a consumer and it is my right to do so. it is a us vrs them issue. us being the consumer and them being corp. america. do you think they sit around the board room discussing how to be moraly responsible or how to pry that dollar out of your pocket any way possible? if companys were trying to do the right thing do you think banks would have 18% intrest on credit cards? would RJ renolds be advertising addicting tobacco to children ? hell no. all any company wants to do is make a profit at your expense. your job as a consumer is to look out for yourself not the company. now don't take my words to mean that one should break the law or even lie. but in this case if a major parts company is not wise enuff to proof read thier price list then that is just to bad. in this case i think they got lucky. i would have loved to see them take a huge hit. oh well maybe next time.

After that comment you bet your ass I'm suing you for that glitter stunt! Or you can send me my L/S I wanted and I will forget it ever happened. :flipoff2:

DRM

10-09-2002, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by MattS

After that comment you bet your ass I'm suing you for that glitter stunt! Or you can send me my L/S I wanted and I will forget it ever happened. :flipoff2:

I just want a replacement vial of glitter :p

CoryL

10-09-2002, 09:58 PM

DRM

10-09-2002, 10:01 PM

Hey Randii - you see an Optima battery on the shelf at Wal-Mart price labeled for $20.... do you buy it?

randii

10-09-2002, 11:19 PM

you are telling me *I* did something immoral?
Most certainly not. I specifically spoke to the $20 bill metaphor ... I don't have enough info to adjudicate morality.

...you see an Optima battery on the shelf at Wal-Mart price labeled for $20.... do you buy it?
First, I obtain a price check. If they decline to sell me the product at the marked price, I tell them to send their bouncing yellow smiley-ball back to fix the price. :p If the price stands, or the new price is less than or equal to what I deem to be a fair price, I whip out some dead presidents and close the deal.

Randii