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UP_ROKTOY 10-08-2002, 12:45 PM i am trying to debate between the 34x9.5 tsl and the 34x10.5 ltb is anyone running these tires? do you have the tread depths on either of these tires? or which one is harder spfter gonna last longer? thanks crash 10-08-2002, 12:47 PM 34's?? Shit, didn't think anybody was running those small tires anymore :flipoff2: DRM 10-08-2002, 12:56 PM Originally posted by crash 34's?? Shit, didn't think anybody was running those small tires anymore :flipoff2: Even my wife's grocery getter/tow rig is running a 33.5" tall tire... sheesh :p :D UP_ROKTOY 10-08-2002, 01:04 PM well when they make a 38 thats 10 inches wide and NOT A BOGGER the talk to me....i dont wheel deep mud if i dont have to and the way things are in my neck of the woods you can get through most of the rocks with the 34's if you know where to put em....its more about muddy rocks then big rocks or deep mud around here....so thanks for the insult it made my pirate experience feel the way it should....:D DRM 10-08-2002, 01:06 PM Originally posted by UP_ROKTOY well when they make a 38 thats 10 inches wide and NOT A BOGGER the talk to me....i 38x12.50 TSL - cheap, narrow, roughly 36" tall. UP_ROKTOY 10-08-2002, 01:10 PM too wide...i dont like em....plus i am making a 2 inch body lift welding the rear axle lifting my drivetrain 2 inches and then putting the 34's on....even with my I ncapable F ront S uspension it will prove fairly capable for the price of tires for now....the straight axle is going in this summer then i will get the 38x14.5 sx's but i need a winter wheeling tire...the wider tires suck ass here int he winter.....so thats my reasoning T1H5_TA3 10-08-2002, 01:27 PM Originally posted by UP_ROKTOY well when they make a 38 thats 10 inches wide and NOT A BOGGER the talk to me.... hmmm now where would a guy go to find specs on a tire? oh wait i know! the manufacturers web page! so you want a 38x10 tire? try a r98-16 buckshot! any othe questions? welcome newbie:flipoff2: woody 10-08-2002, 01:58 PM yeppers...buckshot....tall, skinny, and a truely kick ass mud tire. Q78-15, 36x9.1 From your choices, the LTB is the better choice. The 34x9.5 swampers have the worlds stiffest sidewall. Q-78x15 Swamper TSL is another skinnier tire. 36x9.1 Swamper radials tend to run narrow...my old 33x12.5's were barely wider than my 33x10.5 BFGAT's on my DD, and those swamper radials rock in the snow with siped centers. 35x10.5 SSR is available. Found all these on http://www.natltire.com/ SandmanII 10-08-2002, 03:14 PM I had a set of those 38x12.5 swampers. On an 8" rim they measured less than 10" wide. Plenty narrow. T1H5_TA3 10-08-2002, 04:26 PM Originally posted by T1H5_TA3 try a r98-16 buckshot! welcome newbie:flipoff2: the r98-16 is 37.75" tall x 10 wide oh.. and you said it'd be a winter tire.. they are studable! reddwarf 10-08-2002, 06:08 PM do they still make the r98-16? Sounds like a sweet tire Maine Jeepah 10-08-2002, 06:10 PM Originally posted by DRM 38x12.50 TSL - cheap, narrow, roughly 36" tall. [useless info] As much as it Pains me to disagree with DRM :flipoff2: my recently purchased 38x12.5 TSLs mounted on 8" wheels (yes I know.) are roughly 38" tall. [/useless info] And as sandman said they are plenty narrow. Cmon...34's will just leave you wishing for bigger meats. :D MJ:flipoff2: reddwarf 10-08-2002, 06:11 PM Originally posted by woody The 34x9.5 swampers have the worlds stiffest sidewall. I think really skinny tires like that are inherently not flexible. I have read that before. Anyone know the physics behind this? Or are the sidewalls just thicker? NE-RokToy 10-08-2002, 08:26 PM The LTB will be softer and have a more flexable sidewall, but the TSL will kick ass in the mud expecially those 34's are quite possibly the most aggresive TSL. UP_ROKTOY 10-08-2002, 09:18 PM Originally posted by NE-RokToy The LTB will be softer and have a more flexable sidewall, but the TSL will kick ass in the mud expecially those 34's are quite possibly the most aggresive TSL. bout time someone helped answer my question:flipoff2: the reason i WANTED the 34x9.5 is because they will be my winter tire...they work awesome around here...the only reason i asked about the ltb is cuz its cheaper i wanted to see if ti would compare...i really dont think ti would...but it is cheaper....the 34x9.5 is plenty big enough for what i can find around here...plus a 38 wont fit under my truck yet:flipoff2: so with that said doesn anyone have any useful information as to whether the ltb or the tsl is better? thanks... TEX 10-09-2002, 05:30 AM Okay, let's get all the facts straight. First of all, there is no such thing as an R98 Buckshot. The size is R85 and it comes in both a 15" & 16" version. The advertised size of this tire is 37X13, same as what the stamp on the 38X12.50 TSL USED TO BE up until the mid 80's. In reality, the R85 is a bit narrower, but still not a 9.50. True diameter of both the R85 & the 38X12.50 is ~36" when measured the correct way - horizontally, on the rig, at trail pressure, with a rigid caliper. Little taller on 6" rims. The 16.5" version of the 38X12.50 is about 3/4" taller. The front tires on this Jeep are R85 Buckshots: http://www.gumbo4x4.com/MNT148.JPG There is no such thing as a 9.00X16 Buckshot. There IS a 9.00X16 Gumbo Mudder. Similar tread pattern, but only 20 or 21/32's of tread depth compared to 28/32's on a Buckshot. Q78 TSL's & Buckshots are advertised as 35.5X11. While narrower than 12.50's, they're significantly wider than 9.50's. The 15" version of the Q78 TSL measures 35" on a 7" rim. The 16" version is 1/2" taller. Here are some Q78's on my Toy (sorry the pic sucks). http://www.gumbo4x4.com/MNT065.JPG The 34X9.50 has 27/32's of tread depth as does the Q78, the 42, and the 44" TSL. All others have less. I believe the 34X10.50 has 24/32's, but don't quote me on that. The 34X9.50 also has a unique tread pattern that is unlike any other TSL. It bites so hard in the mud that it's not at all unusual to see a vehicle on 34's go FARTHER in deep slop than trucks on 36's or 38's before getting stuck. The larger ones having a clearance advantage when it's really thick & rutted. The Q's are a pretty decent compromise. They give you damn near the same clearance as the 38's, but in a narrower package complete with deeper tread. They don't bite QUITE as hard as 34's, but they're much better than 36's or 38's (I had 38X12.50's before the Q78's and would NOT go back to the 38's). BTW, whoever said the 34's have the "world's stiffest sidewall" has been smokin' something. They flex WAY better than 33X12.50 TSL's. Also, it's not on Denman's website, but I've seen catalog listings for a Q78 Ground Hawg, which sounds like an interesting possibility for a "cut" tire ;) TEX xj4rocks 10-09-2002, 06:08 AM are you planning to hit the road with them? a guy I knew had the 34/9.5 TSL's and they chuncked pretty bad because of heat generated on the road. f'in awesome tires on the the trail though. (for little tires) AxlesUp 10-09-2002, 08:28 AM Originally posted by xj4rocks are you planning to hit the road with them? a guy I knew had the 34/9.5 TSL's and they chuncked pretty bad because of heat generated on the road. f'in awesome tires on the the trail though. (for little tires) yea you have to air the 34x9.5 way up... im thinking 60 psi on my parts truck turned farm/shop drag crap around truck... ive run it on the highway at 70.. its a 75 k-20... http://home.midsouth.rr.com/axlesup4x4/chevy4.jpg peace Jw TEX 10-09-2002, 08:37 AM Originally posted by Rebel yea you have to air the 34x9.5 way up... I had a conversation with one of the Marketing guys at Interco & he told me that they had a lot of complaints about chunking with some of their narrower tires. But, he said that in almost every case, they found the owners weren't running enough air pressure & the tires were probably building up too much heat. TEX Lloyd 10-09-2002, 09:00 AM According to the Interco web site they're only good for 45 psi and 2370 lbs. If only they'd make something like that in an 8-10 ply rated tire. AxlesUp 10-09-2002, 10:55 AM Originally posted by Lloyd According to the Interco web site they're only good for 45 psi and 2370 lbs. If only they'd make something like that in an 8-10 ply rated tire. hehe like i said 6o PSI on my heavy k-20 for highway use...:flipoff2:.. i do have little bitty cracks around the side lugs, but havent lost one yet.. the tires are very old so it could just be dry rot setting in, although the cracks are only where the side lugs attach to the side wall..... at any rate they were on the truck when i bought it so i aint bitchin especially when you consider i bought the truck for less than the tires would cost new :D .. peace Jw UP_ROKTOY 10-09-2002, 02:29 PM that was the info i was looking for....again with 34's and ifs and toy axles i have about as much clearence as most fullsizes on 38-39's plus with the more agressive tread i figured they were the way to go ..... i have a set of 31 in at's for the street right now and will prolly run those till they are bald so highway performance is not a concern what so ever....i just thought i would switch form my jeeps 35x15.5 sx's and try the 34x9.5 tsl for the toy That Mick 10-09-2002, 03:04 PM Originally posted by Lloyd According to the Interco web site they're only good for 45 psi and 2370 lbs. If only they'd make something like that in an 8-10 ply rated tire. They do. 34x10.50x16 LTB's Lloyd 10-09-2002, 10:06 PM Originally posted by That Mick They do. 34x10.50x16 LTB's Guess I didn't say that I've got nine 16.5 rims. Archie_G 10-10-2002, 02:57 AM The 34x10.5 LTB runs small, a new set was smaller than my 33x12.5 TSL's on a 7" rim. I upgraded to the Q78 TSL's, not going back. :D | |