Anyone from the Binder Bulletin discussion on body lifts want to continue it in this forum where we can express our feelings in a less diplomatic manner??

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Body Lift Discussion (http://atlas.binderbulletin.org/cgi-bin/webbbs/techtalk.cgi?read=163869)

There is nothing wrong with a body lift on a scout. The problem is with the punks that have no rocker panels and/or poor body work or didn't keep the bolts tight. also I can't believe there are guys that will cut there tub before they will drop $60 on a u-joint for the steering.
That least four or five times a year somebody makes a post that you must bolt in a temporary frame into a tub before you remove it. Bullshit! They claim that they fold in half I left my tub like this for 6 months!

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HERE it is after it folded in half

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[ 10-11-2001: Message edited by: Old Scout ]

Hoop, sounds like a daily topic. Rename your post to daily topic, and lets get it on.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

[ 10-11-2001: Message edited by: jdjanda ]

Never mind I did it for you <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[ 10-11-2001: Message edited by: jdjanda ]

YUP, ya gotta brace everytinng or it will fall apart <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> http://www.nwbinders.net/MemberRides/KevinD/KevinRollingTub.jpg

Is that you in the picture Old Scout? I thought you were an old man!!!!

Nice having a forklift around to help with the heavy lifting!!!

Originally posted by Hooper:
<STRONG>Is that you in the picture Old Scout? I thought you were an old man!!!!

Nice having a forklift around to help with the heavy lifting!!!</STRONG>

I'm 37! I'm just grumpy like an old man! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
That is Baja Binder in the pic ( Steve), I'm behind the camera. That is at my scout yard across town. The fauking fork lift has 36"s!!

Originally posted by Old Scout:
<STRONG>There is nothing wrong with a body lift on a scout. The problem is with the punks that have no rocker panels and/or poor body work or didn't keep the bolts tight.
That least four or five times a year somebody makes a post that you must bolt in a temporary frame into a tub before you remove it. Bullshit! They claim that they fold in half I left my tub like this for 6 months!
</STRONG>

Hmmm.. some days mine seems to be folding in half ON THE FRAME.. and the rockers are in good shape, but the body mounts are not. <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">

I have pretty much a new tub in my shed - I'm short the front body mount parts, and the time I'll need to get it all patched up.. *sigh*

Originally posted by Scoutillac:
<STRONG>YUP, ya gotta brace everytinng or it will fall apart <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> http://www.nwbinders.net/MemberRides/KevinD/KevinRollingTub.jpg </STRONG>

I remember. Kevin is the only person I know who rolled his rig,
IN HIS GARAGE!!!!! <g>

Seemed to hold up fine, eh kilt man?

Originally posted by Old Scout:
<STRONG>I'm 37! I'm just grumpy like an old man! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
That is Baja Binder in the pic ( Steve), I'm behind the camera. That is at my scout yard across town. The fauking fork lift has 36"s!!</STRONG>

37!!!! Hahaha. You are old. Heck, you are 3 years older than me!!!!!!!!

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Birthday is next week. Edging my way toward 40. <sigh> Not ready to be this close to 40. I have a few more things I want to accomplish before that. Guess I better get busy!!!

So, 36" boggers on the forklift. You take it out wheeling?

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>Hmmm.. some days mine seems to be folding in half ON THE FRAME.. and the rockers are in good shape, but the body mounts are not. <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">

I have pretty much a new tub in my shed - I'm short the front body mount parts, and the time I'll need to get it all patched up.. *sigh*</STRONG>


I keep telling you, they are not made to fly!!! Keep your wheels on the ground <g>

I went the route of 1" Hockey Pucks for just a tab bit of clearance. I knew I'd have to pay the piper for it, collapsed both rear body mounts last weekend. Do I blame the body lift, no was my own fault, I knew that with all the gear I was carrying, and no reinforcement the mounts would collapse. I think the bitch all the BB guys have about the body lifts is from lack of experience. Of course when the tub has rust in the mounts or rockers it will cause problems with a body lift. Usually the first thing to go is the rear mounts, maybe that's why IH added the inboard rubber pads in the rear to help take the strain off the rear body mounts. Gee ya tink?

The fix is simple, using 2 1/2" x 1/4" angle I'll rebuild the mounts from the frame rails out, included reinforcing the end of the angle to prevent further problems. Should provide years of lasting service with no problems.

Joe

Originally posted by Hooper:
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I keep telling you, they are not made to fly!!! Keep your wheels on the ground <g></STRONG>

What's funny is Tigger is the one with the thrashed body.

"Little Devil" (the flyin' Scout) has been rolled, jumped, blah blah.. but it's tub is in far better shape than "Tigger" - with good body mounts to boot.

*sigh*

Originally posted by Hooper:
<STRONG>Is that you in the picture Old Scout? I thought you were an old man!!!!

Nice having a forklift around to help with the heavy lifting!!!</STRONG>

Ha! I thought the same thing. Walks like a duck. Talks like a duck. I can't beleive he's not a fawking duck!

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>I went the route of 1" Hockey Pucks for just a tab bit of clearance. I knew I'd have to pay the piper for it, collapsed both rear body mounts last weekend. Do I blame the body lift, no was my own fault, I knew that with all the gear I was carrying, and no reinforcement the mounts would collapse. I think the bitch all the BB guys have about the body lifts is from lack of experience. Of course when the tub has rust in the mounts or rockers it will cause problems with a body lift. Usually the first thing to go is the rear mounts, maybe that's why IH added the inboard rubber pads in the rear to help take the strain off the rear body mounts. Gee ya tink?

The fix is simple, using 2 1/2" x 1/4" angle I'll rebuild the mounts from the frame rails out, included reinforcing the end of the angle to prevent further problems. Should provide years of lasting service with no problems.

Joe</STRONG>

Uhm? I have new poli body mounts, 2" BL (generic kit), had more shit in the back of my rig, and didn't pussy around like you did <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> and I had no problems with my tub... Except of course, that the radiator is mounted to the body and practically cracked in half. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

When you don't have a temp guage, does it mean you're not over heating if you have no fan shroud or fluid in the radiator? <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by JoshC:
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When you don't have a temp guage, does it mean you're not over heating if you have no fan shroud or fluid in the radiator? <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

In my experience, that's about the point when you find out how well your engine works with only half of it's main and rod bearings..

They do run pretty well for a while, but every now and then the half-bearing will get cocked and the engine will seize. Just use a breaker bar to turn it over again and free it up, and it's good for another while..

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Now I have TWO temp gauges - a mechanical and an electrical - and I watch them very carefully. Engines are not cheap, and I exhausted the supply in the junkyard. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Body lift good? Body lift bad? Hum....
Me think too much and say - if body lifted, can cause problems where others have none. Me, I'm skipping the body lift cause I want as low COG as I can keep with the SOA, 35's and other mods.
As far as old - you youngsters are making me feel older by the minute. next year when I go over that hill - I'm doing it in style with my 1971,74,76 Scout II.

Ritch

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>I went the route of 1" Hockey Pucks for just a tab bit of clearance. I knew I'd have to pay the piper for it, collapsed both rear body mounts last weekend. Do I blame the body lift, no was my own fault, I knew that with all the gear I was carrying, and no reinforcement the mounts would collapse. I think the bitch all the BB guys have about the body lifts is from lack of experience. Of course when the tub has rust in the mounts or rockers it will cause problems with a body lift. Usually the first thing to go is the rear mounts, maybe that's why IH added the inboard rubber pads in the rear to help take the strain off the rear body mounts. Gee ya tink?

The fix is simple, using 2 1/2" x 1/4" angle I'll rebuild the mounts from the frame rails out, included reinforcing the end of the angle to prevent further problems. Should provide years of lasting service with no problems.

Joe</STRONG>

I considered the hockey puck method, but friend of mine machined the body lift blocks for me for only $20 or so. They are only 1 1/2" tall, so I figured it was a better way to go.

I need to put some spacers across my rear cross member under the tailgate, but I carried a yard of topsoil a couple times recently with no ill effects.

My body mounts are still in pretty good shape though. Got lucky. Got one of the rigs with good metal <g>

I thought, also, I would reinforce the rear C-channel where the rear body bushings are by welding a brace from the edge of the top c-channel to the bottom. The top of the C-channel is bent down just a little bit, so I might try bending it back up. Basically I will box the end of that rear cross member.

Guess I will do that when I get my front shock tower welded back on.

Originally posted by nwmud:
<STRONG>Body lift good? Body lift bad? Hum....
Me think too much and say - if body lifted, can cause problems where others have none. Me, I'm skipping the body lift cause I want as low COG as I can keep with the SOA, 35's and other mods.
As far as old - you youngsters are making me feel older by the minute. next year when I go over that hill - I'm doing it in style with my 1971,74,76 Scout II.

Ritch</STRONG>

Don't feel old Ritch! I just hit 30 and am on my way down that hill too. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Hey uhm, did you buy that 71 off the lott? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>What's funny is Tigger is the one with the thrashed body.

"Little Devil" (the flyin' Scout) has been rolled, jumped, blah blah.. but it's tub is in far better shape than "Tigger" - with good body mounts to boot.

*sigh*</STRONG>

I think you have *lightened* lil devil somewhat, right? <g> Besides, so far, your suspension has been absorbing all the abuse

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Originally posted by JoshC:
<STRONG>Uhm? I have new poli body mounts, 2" BL (generic kit), had more shit in the back of my rig, and didn't pussy around like you did <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> and I had no problems with my tub... Except of course, that the radiator is mounted to the body and practically cracked in half. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

When you don't have a temp guage, does it mean you're not over heating if you have no fan shroud or fluid in the radiator? <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

You are only overheating if the gauge says you are. Ignore that clack and clank from the engine. Probably just lifter tick. Nothing to worry about. If for some reason your engine stops running, just hose the block down with nice cold water. That will cool it down quickly.

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Originally posted by nwmud:
<STRONG>Body lift good? Body lift bad? Hum....
Me think too much and say - if body lifted, can cause problems where others have none. Me, I'm skipping the body lift cause I want as low COG as I can keep with the SOA, 35's and other mods.
As far as old - you youngsters are making me feel older by the minute. next year when I go over that hill - I'm doing it in style with my 1971,74,76 Scout II.

Ritch</STRONG>

You better get a set of nice sharp sawzall blades then, cuz 35's are not going to fit without. Even with my SOA and 2" bl, my 33's come really close. Rob M has a soa, body lift and 2" lift springs, and he rubs his 35's under heavy compression.

COG is a big concern, and a good reason not to go body lift. But, up here, I have to balance clearances against COG. We have both off camber, and big rocks. Both will get you if you don't have the right setup. Finding the right compromise between clearance and COG is the tough part. Some won't need the body lift, but on most trails up here, I needed it.

I am still one of the lowest rigs out ont he tough(er) trails though.

So, you are rolling past the big 40, eh. Old man. We'll get you one of those elevator lifts for your wheelchair so you can still get into your scout!!!

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Originally posted by Hooper:
<STRONG>You are only overheating if the gauge says you are. Ignore that clack and clank from the engine. Probably just lifter tick. Nothing to worry about. If for some reason your engine stops running, just hose the block down with nice cold water. That will cool it down quickly.

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Will the ice cold water from my cooler work?

Originally posted by JoshC:
<STRONG>Will the ice cold water from my cooler work?</STRONG>

Yeah, but then your <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> will get warm!

I got my first IH about two months ago, all three were free <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
Can't beat that deal too much. All I have to do is put one together, and get rid of the extra parts... I found a few places to put parts for now and in the future. Who knows where everything will end up? Rustoleum White is one of the first in line to get whatever he wants out of the remnants. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Some of you guys are a little too close in age to your trucks. Maybe this way we can guage which last longer - human vs IH

Hooper, I agree - Mr. Wheeler has a brand new Sawzall that needs to be broken in more. Going to wait until after the body swap. Who knows maybe I can get my hands on some 36's so my wife won't have bigger ones than me. The 35's are in the back yard waiting for the saw in the mean time. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> And yes next year I will find that hill to climb. At least I can say I am older than my truck. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">
Ritch

What is the point of a body lift? Looks? If you need room for your air cleaner, cut a hold in the hood. If your tires rub, break out the sledgehammer and sawzall or go spoa and be done with it ..I plan to drop the whole driveline down 1-2 inches.. someday.

Originally posted by Coolih:
<STRONG>What is the point of a body lift? Looks? If you need room for your air cleaner, cut a hold in the hood. If your tires rub, break out the sledgehammer and sawzall or go spoa and be done with it ..I plan to drop the whole driveline down 1-2 inches.. someday.</STRONG>


SOA will not solve tire rubbing problems. You cannot fit 35's on without rubbing, even with SOA. You either need a body lift, or sawzall.

I chose not to sawzall my rig, yet.

Point of a body lift is not to just clear tires. It is also to raise your rockers for better clearance. 35" tires will raise your rockers about an inch, probably not quite that much, over 33's. 36" tires, an inch and a half. A 2" body lift, gets you 2 inches of rocker clearance. That is needed up here.

Sledgehammer for body work? Not my style. I don't really see any reason to deliberately make my rig ugly.

But, it works for some people.

Originally posted by JoshC:
<STRONG>Will the ice cold water from my cooler work?</STRONG>


Don't think one cooler will be enough. Try borrowing the ice water from your buddy's. Also, pour lots down the carb while the engine is running. That will help cool the engine from the inside out.

Originally posted by JoshC:
<STRONG>Uhm? I have new poli body mounts, 2" BL (generic kit), had more shit in the back of my rig, </STRONG>

I had two 5 gal Jerry Cans hanging off the ass end of the tailgate, that's good for another 80 lbs. Plus all the parts and tools I carry. Remind me who had the u-bolts you needed to fix you're sorry ass rig? <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by JoshC:
<STRONG>didn't pussy around like you did <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> </STRONG>

I didn't pussy around like you because you are already a pussy <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by JoshC:
<STRONG>and I had no problems with my tub... </STRONG>

That's because there are so many existing problems with the tub you can't tell when there is a new one. I think the Bondo helps add rigidity to your body.


Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Hooper:
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SOA will not solve tire rubbing problems. You cannot fit 35's on without rubbing, even with SOA. You either need a body lift, or sawzall.
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You need a body lift, or an insane amount of suspension lift and/or lowered bump stops - at the cost of articulation!

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I chose not to sawzall my rig, yet.
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Front of this rig has been sawzalled.. rear still needs tubbed. SOA, front w/ XLCs and no-lift RS. Rear non-XLC at the moment.

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/racing/8_25_2001/15.jpg

And how much you wanna bet the 35s rub? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Heck, my 31s rub when the ramp..

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Point of a body lift is not to just clear tires. It is also to raise your rockers for better clearance.
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Who raises their rockers?? The frame rail is already the lowest point. On a Jeep, where the rockers hang lower than the frame.. yeah.. but on a Scout? Come awnn!

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I don't really see any reason to deliberately make my rig ugly.
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If that were true, Pat, you'd never get into your Scout! <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Coolih:
<STRONG>What is the point of a body lift?</STRONG>

The extra inch gave me the extra tire clearance I needed, and allows me a little extra room between the body and frame when wrenching in tight spots.


Originally posted by Coolih:
<STRONG> Looks? </STRONG>

Dude you don't know about the chrome body lift kit <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">


Originally posted by Coolih:
<STRONG>If your tires rub, break out the sledgehammer and sawzall or go spoa and be done with it ..</STRONG>

Details please, what's a SPOA? Does it work better than an SOA?

Originally posted by Coolih:
<STRONG>I plan to drop the whole driveline down 1-2 inches.. someday.</STRONG>

Are you going to use reverse portal axles? I get it you want to plow the trail, not crawl it? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Just giving you shit <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

You know there are people who don't realize what the trails in the Northwest are like. We don't have trails like the Rubicon up here. We just have crumbling shale, thick mud, and root infested narrow (for a Bronco) trails. I really need to go wheeling!!!!
Maybe i should not rule out a body lift. I know energy has stock replacement or 2" available from olympic 4x4 aprox 60 for stock and 90 for 2". I would like to find a 1", but I like to be just a little different.
Someone help me get this thing built so I can go play in my own truck. <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0">
Ritch

Originally posted by nwmud:
<STRONG>I got my first IH about two months ago, all three were free <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
Can't beat that deal too much. All I have to do is put one together, and get rid of the extra parts... I found a few places to put parts for now and in the future. Who knows where everything will end up? Rustoleum White is one of the first in line to get whatever he wants out of the remnants. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Some of you guys are a little too close in age to your trucks. Maybe this way we can guage which last longer - human vs IH

Hooper, I agree - Mr. Wheeler has a brand new Sawzall that needs to be broken in more. Going to wait until after the body swap. Who knows maybe I can get my hands on some 36's so my wife won't have bigger ones than me. The 35's are in the back yard waiting for the saw in the mean time. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> And yes next year I will find that hill to climb. At least I can say I am older than my truck. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">
Ritch</STRONG>

I need parts for a 345 manual swap, you got bell housing, flywheel, pilot bearing, and pressure plate for sale cheap?

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

[ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: jdjanda ]

Originally posted by nwmud:
<STRONG>I would like to find a 1", but I like to </STRONG>

Hockey pucks brotha. Just sleeve em, and your ready to go, gives you one inch. You'd be surprised home difference that makes.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Hooper:
<STRONG>
Don't think one cooler will be enough. Try borrowing the ice water from your buddy's. Also, pour lots down the carb while the engine is running. That will help cool the engine from the inside out.</STRONG>

And I know it has cooled down when the water comes out of the exhaust pipes right?

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">
I got 2 1/2 304's, any of those parts fit...
I don't know <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"> about scouts, but there are a lot of good folks here in the NW, who have taken the time to explain much to me. I grew up with GM's and spent the last year under the my wife's little Bronco (82 full size, 6" lift, 36" tsl's). I just started to crawl around these Scouts. 1 truck has a 3 spd the other a close ratio, while the one I'm keeping has the 727. There has been a discussion about taking the left overs and building a dedicated Rock buggy, so who knows what I have left. I kind of made these a group project and I got to find my notes to remember who is getting what out of which truck. I'll make note you are looking for a few parts and will let you know when I get my head out of the sand from last weekend <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">
Ritch

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>If that were true, Pat, you'd never get into your Scout! <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

LOL. True. My rig looks good, till I climb in.
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Frame rails are far enough inboard of the rockers and tires that on a lot of trails up here, the frame rails will fit between obstacles, but the rockers will not. So, a body lift raises the rockers a couple inches to help clearances. It does make a difference up here where there are real obstacles, unlike the flatlands of Montana!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

I can't figure out how you get 31's to rub. My 33's won't and I know I flex well. I think it is all axle placement. Mine is perfect, of course <g> I drove the 30 until my rear tire was 6 inches off the ground, and I still didn't rub the tires.

Suspension lift, i.e. lift springs, cause more rubbing than they solve. The longer springs cause the axle to move more. Much harder to get the axle at the *sweet spot* in the wheel well. Plus, lift springs almost never flex as well as stock or flat springs. So, you can get bigger tires, but they won't move as well.

At least, that is what I have seen this year since I started really paying attention. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> But what do I know. I'm just a newbie wheeling a stock scout. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

OTOH, every rig is different, and everyone wheels differently, so every rig needs a slightly different setup.

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>I have 80lb cans and I'm a pussy with a nice body. <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0">


Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Originally posted by nwmud:
<STRONG>You know there are people who don't realize what the trails in the Northwest are like. We don't have trails like the Rubicon up here. We just have crumbling shale, thick mud, and root infested narrow (for a Bronco) trails. I really need to go wheeling!!!!
Maybe i should not rule out a body lift. I know energy has stock replacement or 2" available from olympic 4x4 aprox 60 for stock and 90 for 2". I would like to find a 1", but I like to be just a little different.
Someone help me get this thing built so I can go play in my own truck. <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0">
Ritch</STRONG>


I went with 1 1/2" steel blocks. I might be able to get a set of 8 made for you for about $25-$30 or so.

They look like this


http://www.nwbinders.net/MiscImages/LiftBlock.jpg

Ignore the paper clip. It was there to support the block on my scanner.

Solid steel. hexagon shape. corners of the hex are 2", if I recall correctly, so you need to put a washer between block and bushing, to keep the corners of the blocks from cutting into the bushings. Otherwise, just slap em in, and bolt em up.

Oh yeah, paint em or powder coat em. They are not going to break, and they are not going to deform. Sure, they weigh more than aluminum, but who cares. It is on a scout, and the difference is less than what you ate for lunch.

http://www.nwbinders.net/Tech/RecentMods/FrontBodyBushing.jpg

You forgot a couple things in your nwtrail description.

ROCKS!!! And some big ones, at that.

This is where even a little rocker clearance helps a lot.
http://www.nwbinders.net/Trails/WalkerValley/April2000/HooperBC3.jpg

Who needs a body lift? Me!!

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>I need parts for a 345 manual swap, you got bell housing, flywheel, pilot bearing, and pressure plate for sale cheap?

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

[ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: jdjanda ]</STRONG>

I'm not trying to cut in on a sale but if you're not in a huge hurry I should be able to get those parts to you once the Rock Fridge is assembled and I know what I don't need.
Travis

about sales - Nothing is done until it's done. I keep learning that my needs seam to change on a daily basis. I guess if better ideas did not come up so often it would be easy, but with three trucks at hand, i get suggestions on what to do with them regularly <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> So don't wait for me.

Hooper, where those made by Mr. Wheeler? We got him a nice new metal band saw for his 35th Birthday. I'm thinking I could pick up some metal at Everett Steel and make some.
Those looked nice. Could they be square? Also after looking at those, I have some real nice 1"x3" stock I could cut up for a use like that. Beside new bolts, what else needs to be done, i.e. do I need to move the steering box?
Ritch

Originally posted by nwmud:
<STRONG>Hooper, where those made by Mr. Wheeler? We got him a nice new metal band saw for his 35th Birthday. I'm thinking I could pick up some metal at Everett Steel and make some.
Those looked nice. Could they be square? Also after looking at those, I have some real nice 1"x3" stock I could cut up for a use like that. Beside new bolts, what else needs to be done, i.e. do I need to move the steering box?
Ritch</STRONG>


Nope. Made by a friend of mine, not on the net. We were just talking one day and he said, he could make some, so he made them up one afternoon.

I think they start as square stock, and he cuts them to hexagon. I was not sure when he was making them that there was room at all body mounts for a square pc to fit. In retrospect, square would have worked just fine. Making them hex is extra work, that is not needed.

I think he just cuts them from square stock and drills a hole through them, but he was very precise in all dimensions. More precise than he needed to be for body blocks, but.. that is his nature.

DK why someon with some fab skills could not make them up. Square or round stock, band saw, and drill press. There you go. I think you need 2 1/2" round stock though. Ideally the block is larger diamete than the bushing.

What else needs to be done?
Here is a list Dale our club president put together. He has done body lift on several rigs.

<<Just a few personal experiences from my install.

Remove radiator shroud

Loosen or remove lower radiator hose at radiator

Loosen upper radiator hose

Check length of starter wires

Check length of curly brake lines on frame under master cylinder

Remove sheet metal on firewall around steering column

Remove plastic collar around steering column and dash inside

Loosen 2 steering column bolts

Slide steering column as far forward as possible

Remove transfer case shift boot

Remove all nuts from 8 body mounts

Jack one side at a time slowly, checking as you go up

Install body lift kit on one side leaving bolts loose

Do the same on the other side

Tighten nuts and bolts

Check steering rag joint

Tighten steering column bolts

Trim plastic shroud as required and re-install

Check transfer case shifter clearance in low range

Re-install boot

Steering column sheet metal on firewall may not want to fit, use you own

judgment on a suitable fix

Re-install radiator hoses

Use sheet metal to make fan shroud lower

Check all clearance and wiring 2 or 3 times, then do it again.>>

You will probably want to put a rag joint eliminator in, with a 2" lift, and you may need to notch your tcase lever hole just a bit, maybe a quarter inch or so.

Originally posted by Hooper:
<STRONG>It does make a difference up here where there are real obstacles, unlike the flatlands of Montana!!!
</STRONG>

No no no, I live in WESTERN Montana.. not the Mo-Dak praries!

<STRONG>
I can't figure out how you get 31's to rub. My 33's won't and I know I flex well. I think it is all axle placement. Mine is perfect, of course <g>
</STRONG>

On Tigger, I stretched the rear axle back 7/8" to get "perfect" with the 33s. On Little Devil, the 31s rub on the fender lip (as rusty as it is..) - not the front to back issue.


No rocks, huh?...

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trail_rides/deerlodge_8_15_98/5sm.jpg
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trail_rides/deerlodge_8_15_98/15sm.jpg
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trail_rides/deerlodge_8_15_98/3sm.jpg

Of course, I'm never able to stop n' pose long enough to get a picture, so I'm lackin' on pics..

someone else did get some video though.. of one of the easier spots of the trail we did that day.

Video of the end of the fun stuff (http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trail_rides/5_21_2000/tom_exit.128.mpg)

-Tom

A buddy of mine used Aluminum stock. Sliced like bread, drilled, sleeved, and installed.

Hooper,

Thanks for the info on the body lift...
some steps can be combined since i'm doing a body swap. But I believe Dale has put together what looks like a very complete list. If I opt to go witha shorter lift say 1" - 1 1/2" I think this details what I need to look at doing. Almost time to leave for the day -go have a <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> or <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">
how come we don't have a wine icon - Oh we do... <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0">
Till we meet again
Ritch

Originally posted by Hooper:
<STRONG>
Remove sheet metal on firewall around steering column

</STRONG>

<IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> You hack. Did you do that to the Hooper truck? I'm telling Burt you hacked up his rig. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Save an IH, use a second U-joint to resolve the problem. Worth the trouble to not notch the firewall. You should see how the PO on my other rig solved the problem. Drilled holes around a circle then used BFH to knock out the piece. Now I have a nice area that needs to be repaired, looks like someone took a bite out of the firewall.

Joe

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>
No rocks, huh http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trail_rides/deerlodge_8_15_98/3sm.jpg

someone else did get some video though.. of one of the easier spots of the trail we did that day.

-Tom</STRONG>

Tom,

Just watched the video, you need some stealth rock sliders. I built some 1" x 2" slides that mount to the lip under the rockers. Just enough stick to catch about 90% of the rocks that are going to hit the doors. Also keeps the rocks from tearing the rocker lip, and allows the rig to pivot on them. With the sliders you also do not loose any ground clearance. Smooth as dog shit. Let me know I'll send some close up pics.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>Tom,

Just watched the video, you need some stealth rock sliders. I built some 1" x 2" slides that mount to the lip under the rockers. Just enough stick to catch about 90% of the rocks that are going to hit the doors. Also keeps the rocks from tearing the rocker lip, and allows the rig to pivot on them. With the sliders you also do not loose any ground clearance. Smooth as dog shit. Let me know I'll send some close up pics.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

I don't think I hit the rockers though - always the frame.

But.. yeah, let's have some pics!

My intention is to just cut the rockers out and replace 'em with some 2x2 box tubing instead. I think Curtis has something like that on his Scout.

Too bad the trail rig is at best third in line on the To-Do list..

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>On Tigger, I stretched the rear axle back 7/8" to get "perfect" with the 33s. On Little Devil, the 31s rub on the fender lip (as rusty as it is..) - not the front to back issue.


No rocks, huh?...

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trail_rides/deerlodge_8_15_98/5sm.jpg
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trail_rides/deerlodge_8_15_98/15sm.jpg
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trail_rides/deerlodge_8_15_98/3sm.jpg

Of course, I'm never able to stop n' pose long enough to get a picture, so I'm lackin' on pics..

someone else did get some video though.. of one of the easier spots of the trail we did that day.

Video of the end of the fun stuff (http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trail_rides/5_21_2000/tom_exit.128.mpg)

-Tom</STRONG>

Nice pebbles <g>

Originally posted by Hooper:
<STRONG>Nice pebbles <g></STRONG>

Yeah, I thought I had better pics.. I KNOW I have better ones on film.. like the day I thrashed the front and rear end at once.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

We have some mud, too.

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trail_rides/may_30_1998/mike_stuck_1_onside.jpg
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trail_rides/may_30_1998/mike_stuck_1_uphill.jpg

And bigger rocks..

On 31s w/ 4" Skyjackers:
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trail_rides/divideride98/rt_fr_cheep_rock.jpg (that shot graced the cover of 4x4now.com for a while... <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> )

Then later, on 10-15LTs, 4" front/SOA rear.. (I'd worn out my first set of 33s and hadn't bought the second set yet)
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/faq/jpg/soa_exhaust/on_sheep_rock.jpg

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> You hack. Did you do that to the Hooper truck? I'm telling Burt you hacked up his rig. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Save an IH, use a second U-joint to resolve the problem. Worth the trouble to not notch the firewall. You should see how the PO on my other rig solved the problem. Drilled holes around a circle then used BFH to knock out the piece. Now I have a nice area that needs to be repaired, looks like someone took a bite out of the firewall.

Joe</STRONG>

I used a custom fabricated ujoint eliminator. No hacking for me, yet

<IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG> http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/faq/jpg/soa_exhaust/on_sheep_rock.jpg </STRONG>

Would you get busy and SOA that thing?

http://www.nwbinders.net/Trails/ReiderPit/July2001/HooperRockMayCreekWide.jpg

Notice the SOA allows the axles to move, while the body stays relatively level. Serious axle to front bumper angles going on there, and that was a little rock.

I gotta get up to WV and get some nice poser pics on some real rocks!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Hooper:
<STRONG>Would you get busy and SOA that thing?
</STRONG>

Oh, I'm going to! I've been itchin to for a long time, but I don't want to do it half-@$$ed.. and it'll be some $$$. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

Besides.. I did my first SOA LOONG before you did, so pffbbttt. I'm still working out the bugs on my test-mule before I take the welder to my trail rig. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

It has to pass the stress-tests first.

Note that the first pic, with the Skyjackers - I didn't go over the rock. Rear tire rub (with 31s!) was too severe.

The second time over (rear SOA) I drove over, with the frame rail touching down on the rock once.

Originally posted by Overkiller:<STRONG>
I'm not trying to cut in on a sale but if you're not in a huge hurry I should be able to get those parts to you once the Rock Fridge is assembled and I know what I don't need.
Travis</STRONG>

Originally posted by nwmud:<STRONG>
about sales - Nothing is done until it's done. I keep learning that my needs seam to change on a daily basis. I guess if better ideas did not come up so often it would-be easy, but with three trucks at hand, I get suggestions on what to do with them regular So don't wait for me.</STRONG>
All right guys, let me know what you got. I want to do this auto/manual swap. At the least, I need a bell housing, flywheel, and pilot bushing (do the 304, 345, 392 use all the same parts?). I'd like to pick up the linkage (including the ball welded to the frame) clutch rod, pressure plate, and clutch/brake pedal. Let me know what you go and how much. I'll have the tranny this weekend. Not in a total hurry but you never know.
Joe

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>
All right guys, let me know what you got. I want to do this auto/manual swap. At the least, I need a bell housing, flywheel, and pilot bushing (do the 304, 345, 392 use all the same parts?). I'd like to pick up the linkage (including the ball welded to the frame) clutch rod, pressure plate, and clutch/brake pedal. Let me know what you go and how much. I'll have the tranny this weekend. Not in a total hurry but you never know.
Joe</STRONG>

Bell, pilot, flywheel, clutch are all the same. Only difference is a 4cyl flywheel is neutral balanced.

75+ 3spd/4spd bells are the same, 71-75 3spd are different from the 4spd (tho' I think some minor work will make the 3spd bell work with a 4spd)

The ball on the frame should already be in your Scout - unless it's been broken off. ALL Scouts got 'em. Auto Scouts had a plastic cover over the ball.

You'll need the ball that mounts to the bellhousing, too. Plus the "relay" horizontal rod, the vertical through-the-floor rod, and of course the pedal assemblies.

I have an extra pedal assembly, but not out. I have an auto pedal assembly out. :-) I don't think I have an extra "relay" shaft though.. well, depends if the '79 ever lives again.. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

Whatcha got in mind. High pinion reverse cut, chevy 8 lug outers, detroit locker, (ARB?), high cross over,....?


<IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Hooper:
<STRONG>Whatcha got in mind. High pinion reverse cut, chevy 8 lug outers, detroit locker, (ARB?), high cross over,....?

<IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

As it stands, yeah, something like that.

I only recently (through a stroke of great, uh, luck) got the tubes I needed to retube the HP44.

What I'd like to do is setup the HP front with 4.56s and the Lockright from my current '44 front. Full width, high-steer (of course!) to the flat-top knuckles. XLC springs, probably RS'd to so don't break springs.

Leaning towards 8-lug outers, with the Chevy brakes so I can use my 15" 8-lug wheels and the 36x12.50-15 TSLs.. but the next set of tires/wheels will be 16s.

Out back, put the FF 60 I've been hoarding in. Ideally, the spindles would take inch-n-half 'shafts, but I doubt it. Regear from 4.10 to 4.56 and lock it up either 30sp or 35sp. Use my 4" Skyjacker rear springs.

I need to open up the 60 and get a good look at it first..

$$$ output for the gears, rear locker, brake job on the rear end, new hubs/rotors/calipers for the front end and mebbe some Jesse or Tom driveshafts.

I'd really like to get the tailgate opening/closing and the doors to stop rattling first.. and just taking the doors off isn't a good choice at -20. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>

I'd really like to get the tailgate opening/closing and the doors to stop rattling first.. and just taking the doors off isn't a good choice at -20. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>


Wimp!!!

<IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>As it stands, yeah, something like that.

I only recently (through a stroke of great, uh, luck) got the tubes I needed to retube the HP44.</STRONG>

What's the trick to pressing the tubes out. I know you have to mill out the plugs, but how do you press them out?

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>mebbe some Jesse or Tom driveshafts.</STRONG>
Go square, who needs balance <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>I'd really like to get the tailgate opening/closing and the doors to stop rattling first..</STRONG>

Must be caused by the body lift, did you not read the post on BB...


Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG> and just taking the doors off isn't a good choice at -20. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Agree with Hoop you whimp.... <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0">

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

[ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: jdjanda ]

Pat, go ahead and body lift it. I promise you will like it. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> Its one of the best things I consider that you can do to a SSII. You will notice that you have ALOT more room to work around the drivetrain, it raises your gas tank higher, its much easier to get the mud out of those bad places on you t-case and tranny and its much better on your rockers. You will hit your frame most of the time instead of the rockers. And I did'nt notice even the slightest bit the rig being anymore unstable in offcamber spots. Look at the pics I sent you along time ogo of my SSII in Moab. There is NO rocker damage. Go ahead and do it, you will kick yourself for not doing it sooner. <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>
What's the trick to pressing the tubes out. I know you have to mill out the plugs, but how do you press them out?
</STRONG>


I dunno, but I'll figger it out. Maybe a Really BFH.

I got the first set of tubes out by jumping the Scout and landing hard. Broke the tubes right out of the cast iron center section. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

<STRONG>
Must be caused by the body lift, did you not read the post on BB...

</STRONG>

Bwahahah! <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> No poser-body lifts for MY rig! My tailgate won't open because of tree-rash. Backed into a tree, hit right at the gap between the tailgate and the end-cap on the passenger side. It was on such a steep slope that I hit the top of the tailgate first, and cork-screwed the whole gate. Later that day I smashed the other side foor good measure.

Passenger door closes BETTER after slamming it against two different trees.

Sidehillin' in the snow catches up with you every now and then. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

<STRONG>Agree with Hoop you whimp.... <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0">
</STRONG>[/QUOTE]

Hey, I'm getting old! I like to be warm at -20.. some days even the Arctic Carhart coveralls won't cut it.

Besides, my GF gets cold, and the pop'll freeze solid.

Originally posted by Shadow man:
<STRONG>Pat, go ahead and body lift it. I promise you will like it. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> Its one of the best things I consider that you can do to a SSII. You will notice that you have ALOT more room to work around the drivetrain, it raises your gas tank higher, its much easier to get the mud out of those bad places on you t-case and tranny and its much better on your rockers. You will hit your frame most of the time instead of the rockers. And I did'nt notice even the slightest bit the rig being anymore unstable in offcamber spots. Look at the pics I sent you along time ogo of my SSII in Moab. There is NO rocker damage. Go ahead and do it, you will kick yourself for not doing it sooner. <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0"></STRONG>


I'm already up. 2" body lift and the SOA.

What axles and tires are you running? One of the advantages to SOA/BL is that you can put bigger tires under there. Bigger tires mean more weight. Also, many folks put bigger axles when they go to the bigger tires. All this means more unsprung weight, which is bad for fuel mileage, but good for COG.

I have taken mine on some of the same trails with the SOA/BL as I took before. It does not feel any more unstable than it did before. Part of that, I think, is because the increased flex of the springs lets the axles stay low, lower than the COG.

Pretty sure you stepped up a long way in tire and axle size, correct?

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>Hey, I'm getting old! I like to be warm at -20.. some days even the Arctic Carhart coveralls won't cut it.

Besides, my GF gets cold, and the pop'll freeze solid.</STRONG>

Doesn't matter what I do to mine, it is never warm in there. I don't even run the heater in the winter, cuz it just blows cold air!!! Guess I need to rig up some cardboard for the radiator for the really cold months.

Pat, the old pics are with 33 boggers and 44s. New ones are 39.5 Boggers , 60 front and 70 front for the rear. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Shadow man:
<STRONG>Pat, the old pics are with 33 boggers and 44s. New ones are 39.5 Boggers , 60 front and 70 front for the rear. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"></STRONG>


Aha! Those are big meats!!

Originally posted by Hooper:
<STRONG>Nice pebbles *g*</STRONG>

These pics any better, Hooper?

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~kitkat/P8060013.JPG
Look at that flex! <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~kitkat/P8060021.JPG

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/jpg/frommichelle/22.jpg

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trips/2001/trip130.jpg

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/trips/2001/trip129.jpg
<IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: tsm1mt ]

i had a 3" body lift on my 1976 tara and it never had a problem i used it to haul wood and a lot of it

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tsm1mt:
[QB]These pics any better, Hooper?

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~kitkat/P8060013.JPG
Look at that flex! <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~kitkat/P8060021.JPG


Now, that's what I call some rocks!!

You will notice that it's not Tom driving in these pics - these are from the Ladies Run at RMIHR. The only way that we would have let Tom drive is if he had put on a skirt, and really, who wants to see that?? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Aubrey:
<STRONG>
Now, that's what I call some rocks!!

You will notice that it's not Tom driving in these pics - these are from the Ladies Run at RMIHR. The only way that we would have let Tom drive is if he had put on a skirt, and really, who wants to see that?? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

I was waiting to see if Pat would figger out I wasn't driving.. and those pics are not from Montana. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> It's important to note that unlike the massive body damage inflicted when *I* drive (take a look down that passenger side!), Michelle only put a small leak in one of the tires.

..and how do you know I don't have pretty pasty white legs hiding under my Carhartts? <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

<IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

I read in anoter post in this site where a bottle jack was used on the inside of the empty housing to "press" or force the tubes out. Never had any experience with it myself tho. <IMG SRC="smilies/shy.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>..and how do you know I don't have pretty pasty white legs hiding under my Carhartts? <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

<IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

That's what I'm talking about!! Mark Korsten still owes us some time in a skirt, as I recall (he broke the rules). Maybe next year we'll catch you too, and then you and Mark can put on a show for us at camp. I'll bring the skirts, you guys bring the pasty white legs. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Aubrey:
<STRONG>That's what I'm talking about!! Mark Korsten still owes us some time in a skirt, as I recall (he broke the rules). Maybe next year we'll catch you too, and then you and Mark can put on a show for us at camp. I'll bring the skirts, you guys bring the pasty white legs. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"></STRONG>


Sounds like a story. Anyone want to share for those of us deprived of the privilege of attending Rendevouz?

Originally posted by Hooper:
<STRONG>
Sounds like a story. Anyone want to share for those of us deprived of the privilege of attending Rendevouz?</STRONG>

You're just going to have to attend, Pat.

It's an RMIHR thing - you wouldn't understand. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Actually, there's an all-girls run at RMIHR. Ladies only. Men folk can ride shotgun if they'd like - but may NEVER drive.

If they do, they gotta wear a skirt! (I wonder if Kevin's kilt would count?)

So.. if you bring Sara to RMIHR and she wimps out (or you wimp out and wrest control from her) ya gotta wear a skirt.

I bet Aubrey can tell the details even better.. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>You're just going to have to attend, Pat.

It's an RMIHR thing - you wouldn't understand. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Actually, there's an all-girls run at RMIHR. Ladies only. Men folk can ride shotgun if they'd like - but may NEVER drive.

If they do, they gotta wear a skirt! (I wonder if Kevin's kilt would count?)

So.. if you bring Sara to RMIHR and she wimps out (or you wimp out and wrest control from her) ya gotta wear a skirt.

I bet Aubrey can tell the details even better.. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"></STRONG>


Yeah, I know. But what to do with the rugrats? My idea of a fun vacation - RMIHR. Sara's... hawaii.

Originally posted by Hooper:
<STRONG>My idea of a fun vacation - RMIHR. Sara's... hawaii.</STRONG>


<IMG SRC="smilies/shy.gif" border="0"> Sounds familiar, New Years we are headed to Disney Land down south, very close to some prime wheeling. My suggestion, Disney Land for three days, tow the Scout down, add two days to the trip and wheel. Her response <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0"> "It's my vacation, why do you always have to work a deal"

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>
I bet Aubrey can tell the details even better.. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Well, Tom already told you the rules, so I suppose it's up to me to tell how they came to be.

RMIHR 2000 - It was the first Ladies Only Trail Trip (led by me), and we ran Weston Creek from Fairplay over into Leadville. It was myself, my mom in her Terra, and Jen Farmer in her Scout II. We decided to stop for lunch in Leadville, and we're driving through town looking for somewhere to park. Mom and I park, and Jen ends up finding a spot around the corner. We walk over there to find that there is some guy pulling up behind her in a pale blue Scout II. We start talking to him, and he knows nothing about RMIHR but is really interested. He's also thrilled to see three beautiful women driving three cool IH's through towm. We end up inviting him to lunch with us (we were nervous about leaving him to possibly forage through Jen's truck). So, he bought us lunch, and wanted to follow us back to Fairplay. Being a "Ladies Only" run, we had to try and come up with something fast. Plus, he was kind of strange, and we were hoping he would change his mind when we told him "only if you wear a skirt". His enthusiastic response was "Ok, you find me a skirt and I will wear it". We found a skirt at the local thrift shop and headed on our way, with the guy in tow (not wearing the skirt yet). We got to the top of Mosquito Pass, he put on the skirt long enough for a photo op., and that was that. I'll have to post the pic sometime.

This year at the Binder Follies my dad was nice enough to present the three 2000 Ladies Run participants with t-shirts that have that picture on the front, and on the back say "Girls Just Want To Have Fun". What a funny guy he is! :P

In 2001 we ran Tincup, and I'm happy to say that we even did the older, harder section, which I hadn't scouted yet. Michelle, Kathy, Jen and myself got quite a few looks from the men on the trail when we did the hard part that they had skipped over. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

At RMIHR 2001 I caught Mark driving Cathy's truck (yes, on that day the truck belongs to the female, no matter who it really belongs to) at the gas station, that's why he owes us some time in a skirt. Tom and Mark were nice enough to buy us lunch in Tincup though. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Thanks guys!!

Originally posted by Aubrey:
<STRONG>He's also thrilled to see three beautiful women driving three cool IH's through towm!!</STRONG>

All you'd have to do to complete the dream for me is tell me one of you is a Redhead, a Blonde, and a Brunette. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

What are the odds of finding four Scouts in one place, let alone three of the four are driven by women? My wife has only driven my Scout once since Jan when I bought, granted for 5 months she was too pregnant to fit behind the wheel <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Joe

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>My wife has only driven my Scout once since Jan when I bought, granted for 5 months she was too pregnant to fit behind the wheel <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Joe</STRONG>

You need to put in a tilt wheel

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Originally posted by jdjanda:
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<IMG SRC="smilies/shy.gif" border="0"> Sounds familiar, New Years we are headed to Disney Land down south, very close to some prime wheeling. My suggestion, Disney Land for three days, tow the Scout down, add two days to the trip and wheel. Her response <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0"> "It's my vacation, why do you always have to work a deal"

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LOL! I can relate to that!

When Michelle wanted to go to Spokane to visit some of her relatives.. 'Cool, I need to deliver a rear D44 to Ryan there...'

I went to Havre for Christmas with her.. and found a Travelette cab in the junkyard and threatened to bring my trailer next time.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Heck, this time I'm threatening to bring the trailer and scoot over the border to Canada to buy some rollcage tubing. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Aubrey:
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At RMIHR 2001 I caught Mark driving Cathy's truck (yes, on that day the truck belongs to the female, no matter who it really belongs to) at the gas station, that's why he owes us some time in a skirt.QB]

For the record, it is MY truck. K has the really expensive racer! <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

And I was was being nice enough to move Eyore away from the gas pump so somebody else could fill-up.

Besides, the lunch was a bribe! <IMG SRC="smilies/grinpimp.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by makkat:
<STRONG>For the record, it is MY truck. K has the really expensive racer! <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
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Sensitive are we?
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