I've designed, built and tested a high clearance offroad trailer that I would like to share with you folks and get some of your opinions. I'm considering producing these to sell and would like feedback on this design from the hard truth forum of Pirate.

This particular trailer is 6' long x 48.5" wide and with the tailgate down, can fit 4x8 sheets of drywall/plywood, fully supported. With the 3500# rated axles, it can haul a yard of gravel. It will have a removable weather tight lid that will have a 4 person tent mounted to it with quick detachable gas struts/removable limiting cable for ease of opening. The tent was purchased by my customer that requested I build him this trailer.

Ever consider getting a high clearance offroad trailer to tow behind your rig when you go out wheeling for a weekend trip? To store all the odds and ends we like to bring with us and never seem to have enough room. Or when you do get it all to fit and you hit the trail, you're so top heavy, your rig has lost it's trail savyness. With the right trailer, you don't have to worry about being top heavy from your gear. The offroad testing done with the trailer attached seems to aid in traction when going over/threw difficult obstacles where you would otherwise lose traction. Added down force on the rear axle. This is contrary to most arguments brought with regards to the extra weight behind you and offroading.

It seems like the few companies I've seen that build these are asking alot of money and they end up awfully pretty. So pretty, I'd be worried to scratch it or wouldn't want to use it for hauling debris. That wasn't the goal with this trailer. Build a stout trailer for offroading and for handling some landscaping around the house as opposed to a cute trailer to camp out of. Something I wouldn't mind hauling a yard of gravel in and could handle it. The tube fenders are built such that you won't have to worry about tweaking them or ripping one off from catching a tree or rock on the trail. Nor do you have to worry about tweaking a fender leaving the gas station after forgetting the trailer was behind you and turning around the pump too early, clipping a fender on the safety poles protecting the pumps. The fenders can easily handle someone standing on them and they help tie in the cargo box structure to the frame. Making the cargo box walls stronger.

All the seams were sealed with 3M's automotive grade seam/body sealer for weather proofing the cargo box against river crossing's, etc.

Specs:

24" ground clearance with 33's
3500# adjustable height torsion half shafts
4' x 6' x 2' tall box
Folding removable tailgate
Weathertite Flip up removabe lid
Eezi Awn 4 person tent mounted to lid
Two 5 gallon water jugs
Two 5 gallon fuel jugs
Pintle style hitch
Led lights and markers (waterproof)
Stainless locking latches keyed alike to lock tailgate/lid
Tube fenders


Let me know if this is a design that would interest you. What are your likes and dislikes?


David

:)

Hey I like it. Did I miss what cost would be?

Exactly what I was looking for when I bought my Outlander Trailer. I have since sold it and would be in the market for another one.

Hey I like it. Did I miss what cost would be?


No, you didn't miss it. Until the logistics of producing these are worked out, I won't have a price.


Here's a pic of the tent opened up. On a different trailer and is only for you to get an idea of the tent size/type.

Trail photos

:)

In this pic you can notice the extra detail added to aid in the tube fenders maintaining shape in the event you snag a tree on the trail or catch a pole at the gas station just simply pulling out and forgetting what's behind you which, lets face it, we all do on occasion when towing. It happens. A tube gusset was added to the front lower tube on each fender to triangulate the fenders to the frame. These sort of details should help ensure the trailers will hold up to a lot of abuse for a long time.

Oh, and not an inch of angle iron on this thing.....;)

Did I miss what kind of suspension you are putting under the trailer?

Very nice and stout looking. I like what you've done.

Very cool

Very cool.. I am planning on building an offroad teardrop trailer next winter, so I am probably not a potential customer.. But I will keep an eye on the thread in case my plans change. If I were looking for a tent trailer yours is something I would definitely consider.

Did I miss what kind of suspension you are putting under the trailer?





3500# adjustable height torsion half shafts



It's a little hidden in there. Torsion half shafts meaning no leaf springs/shackles and now axle tube spanning across the underside from hub to hub. Mounted in place here before reinforcements were added.

I like it and have been wanting to build one for years. Just haven't had the time.

Looks like a great start. Two concerns I would have.

1. Standard v-tongue. Being able to jack-knife or near jack-knife a trailer in offroad situations is extremely important to me. Obviously this will matter more to some than others but in 3-4 years of dragging an off-road trailer all over the west I have found it a crucial design component.

2. Torsion axles. I'm yet to see an off-road trailer with a torsion axle that handles like that of a well designed leaf spring or airbag setup. Bouncy comes to mind. That said short 'trailer leafs' will leave you in the same category, bouncy. A long, flat leaf and a shock for obvious dampening needs.

Interested to see how your final product turns out, pricing and all.

Looks very functional.
I expect that I would have the wiring riped off of that after 1 trip. Maybe run it through the frame rails on the sides, and in conduit tucked underneath?
Also, expanded metal may be more appropriate in the front triangle, as the solid decking will hold rocks, dirt, ect.

Looks like a great start. Two concerns I would have.

1. Standard v-tongue. Being able to jack-knife or near jack-knife a trailer in offroad situations is extremely important to me. Obviously this will matter more to some than others but in 3-4 years of dragging an off-road trailer all over the west I have found it a crucial design component.

2. Torsion axles. I'm yet to see an off-road trailer with a torsion axle that handles like that of a well designed leaf spring or airbag setup. Bouncy comes to mind. That said short 'trailer leafs' will leave you in the same category, bouncy. A long, flat leaf and a shock for obvious dampening needs.

Interested to see how your final product turns out, pricing and all.



The ability to jack knife well is a requirement and was designed into it with tongue angle and length. It turned out/works very well.

This trailer weighed in at 1100# empty with the tent mounted. Too stiff a suspension was a concern of mine with these torsions however, I can't say enough about how well it rides. It does not move around or bounce at all. It sticks to the ground as if to have bypass shocks on it. I've found in my years that tire pressures can make or break a smooth ride as well. The owner of the trailer may chime in and voice his experience with it thus far. I've received numerous voicemails and emails from him regarding how well it handles considering the axle ratings and no shocks. It's a newer torsion design and that may play a role. For what it's worth.




Looks very functional.
I expect that I would have the wiring riped off of that after 1 trip. Maybe run it through the frame rails on the sides, and in conduit tucked underneath?
Also, expanded metal may be more appropriate in the front triangle, as the solid decking will hold rocks, dirt, ect.



I'm with you on the wiring. It wouldn't take much to solve it. The owner had unexpected time off and came in from out of town ahead of schedule. The wire routing was not a concern of his at that moment. He's going to do just as you stated, run some conduit along the inside frame rail.

I like it and have been wanting to build one for years. Just haven't had the time.



What's up Wilson. Glad you like it.

It's either more time than money or more money than time.:shaking:

this is exactly what im after.....dont suppose you wanna export to australia!

:eek:

My concern is the durability of the axles. It has been my experience that the rubber degrades quickly when; a) used to the limits of travel, aka offroad and b) extreme weather (cold) makes them ride like poo with outright failures if forced to articulate.

I would run a tube at an angle from the outer front corner of the fenders to the front, so if turning in tight on a tree it won't hang on the fender... kinda like a 'tree slider.'

Looks nice- I'd like to have something like that!

this is exactly what im after.....dont suppose you wanna export to australia!

:eek:



I do have a connection that's in the import/export business here locally if you were serious. I'll keep you posted.



My concern is the durability of the axles. It has been my experience that the rubber degrades quickly when; a) used to the limits of travel, aka offroad and b) extreme weather (cold) makes them ride like poo with outright failures if forced to articulate.



I understand your concern fully. While I don't pretend to be a torsion axle or rubber expert, I do have some knowledge and would want to know a few things about your torsion experience.

There's an awful lot of different types of materials used (rubber technology, made in China or Germany) to make what was made 15 or 20 years ago. That said, I'd like to know how old the torsions that degraded were and how you were able to tell the degradation took place? How old or how long ago was this experience with the rubber torsions?

Now, don't take this as though I'm defending the torsion axles used. Not the case. Part of my industry training is analyzing and preventing failures of most anything. Shift that training to this topic and the questions I've asked above come into play. Many variables come into play when analyzing and preventing failures. What were the circumstances of your failing torsions?

Did you own the trailer over it's whole life to know how it was treated/abused throughout it's life span? How old was it before it began failing? Was it used in extreme cold climates (-30) or in the raging desert being sand blasted? Overloaded a lot? Was it home built or professionally built because design plays a role.

You don't have to answer any of these questions but for those reading this thread, quite simply, there are always A LOT of variables that come into play. A blanket statement that torsions don't last is not something that I endorse. My trailer supplier stated that the torsions simply do not wear out or fail quickly when sized/designed properly. I'm not saying it's impossible for a torsion to fail prematurely when used properly.:rolleyes:

I would run a tube at an angle from the outer front corner of the fenders to the front, so if turning in tight on a tree it won't hang on the fender... kinda like a 'tree slider.'

Looks nice- I'd like to have something like that!


I know what you mean. I made the tube fenders sweep back and taper up a little to help with sliding off/away tree's. Time will tell if it's enough or if more should be added as you suggest.


This is a write up by the owner of the trailer.


"First This is the first time I have used the torsion axles, I am super
pleased with the set up so far. I highly doubt the 3500# axle will fail
very easily. The whole unit, with tent is 1060#. I did level it out after
the tow home and a trip to hollister. We really tried to pound the hell
outta it at hollister. After I checked for level and she is spot on. As
far as articulation I feel that is almost impossible for a trailer to move
like a crawler.. A 4wd vehicle can articulate because it has two axles. A
trailer with only one axle must roll with terrain. Yes the suspension will
compress, but with out any counter force what can one expect. The pic I
sent with the trailer tilted is a prime example. I was more concerned with
the trailer sliding while crossing across a steep incline, or not
following down hill and pushing the vehicle around. None of which
happened. We purposely went to hollister on a very wet day and from the
pics you can see we are the only tracks in most areas. At times I felt it
gave me more traction, Kind of like someone standing on the bumper.Part of
my reasoning on getting a trailer was to get all of the recovery/camping
gear out of the jeep. now I have slightly more clearance.I wish we could
have filmed to day, we kind of shamed a few other rigs. We drove thru some
places where others without a trailer were struggling with. So far
bouncing has not been a problem. Yes she will bounce when hitting a pot
hole or a rock. But at crawling speeds offroad I was blown away at how
behaved it was. Also I was worried about the weight offroad. Example.
Climbing over obstacle, jeep clears trailer is behind and the weight is
too much and hangs you up. Not at all. JK is 3.8L anemic turd. Not even an
issue. until we got on an extreme incline. You have to moderate your
driving some what. The trailer never touched bottom. I did bash it into
various things trees, embankments,brush.
The tongue, David did an exellent job on this. I can jacknife past 90
degs. The hitch on a semi flat surface will clear the bumper. This has
alot to do with specific vehicles. exhuast, bumper whatnot. I will post a
pic of this. I wanted something over built. Believe me we are going to
push this trailer just as hard as we can. After I load it with gravel and
see how it does with weight I will give 411."

Coy W.
Day shift Maintenance Team Leader

What's up Wilson. Glad you like it.

It's either more time than money or more money than time.:shaking:

Doing well Dave, no little ones for us yet, how is yours? Sure seems to go that way.

really like it! Would be interested for sure.

I really like it, but that's way too big and heavy for me. I'm working on building a miniature version of this to tow behind my Samurai. With the rooftop tent, I'm hoping to keep the empty trailer weight below 500lbs.

It's beyond great first of all. I think you are sincere in asking for peoples 2 cents so here you go:
Don't knock the competition. There are some fantastic off road trailers available that are set up with years of experiance building them right.
Don't claim it offers traction making it go off road better than no trailer because thats just BS.
Keep your 3500 torsion axles because they are easy to work with and the newest ones are probably better than ever but....
Find an axle or hubs that will take an 8 on 6.5 bolt pattern and if you can match the different jeeps and toyotas then offer them. We can skip the spare or have an extra on the trailer for the tow rig.
Offer a fuel rack for Spector fuel and water jugs because they are loved.
Mount the tounge jack on a reciver tube. That way you can mount it on the back and scoot the trailer sidways in some predicaments.
Make the tounge long enough so you can remove it and install it on the rear to pull it backwards in a pinch.
There is a formula for the best distance the wheels are from the vehicle. I think if the wheelbase is 103" then the trailer tires ideally should be 103" from the rear vehicle tires. Clarification anyone? You can offer custom and ideal wheelbase combinations for max tracability.
Offer an option of smaller box upfront for caming gear (skip the trendy roof top tent) and open the rear for hualing a quad or dirt bikes. We wheel, camp and ride in extream places and use 4x4 to get there. A real trailer would suit the dirt bike or ATV crowd well. So would just a stout trailer for the Rino side by side guys. We ride in rough terain and getting to it to camp is a bitch.
Last... Offer to meet me half way to Phoenix with the dirt bike version.:)

It's beyond great first of all. I think you are sincere in asking for peoples 2 cents so here you go:
Don't knock the competition. There are some fantastic off road trailers available that are set up with years of experiance building them right.
Don't claim it offers traction making it go off road better than no trailer because thats just BS.
Keep your 3500 torsion axles because they are easy to work with and the newest ones are probably better than ever but....
Find an axle or hubs that will take an 8 on 6.5 bolt pattern and if you can match the different jeeps and toyotas then offer them. We can skip the spare or have an extra on the trailer for the tow rig.
Offer a fuel rack for Spector fuel and water jugs because they are loved.
Mount the tounge jack on a reciver tube. That way you can mount it on the back and scoot the trailer sidways in some predicaments.
Make the tounge long enough so you can remove it and install it on the rear to pull it backwards in a pinch.
There is a formula for the best distance the wheels are from the vehicle. I think if the wheelbase is 103" then the trailer tires ideally should be 103" from the rear vehicle tires. Clarification anyone? You can offer custom and ideal wheelbase combinations for max tracability.
Offer an option of smaller box upfront for caming gear (skip the trendy roof top tent) and open the rear for hualing a quad or dirt bikes. We wheel, camp and ride in extream places and use 4x4 to get there. A real trailer would suit the dirt bike or ATV crowd well. So would just a stout trailer for the Rino side by side guys. We ride in rough terain and getting to it to camp is a bitch.
Last... Offer to meet me half way to Phoenix with the dirt bike version.:)



Thanks for the tips. You bring up some good points. I'll have to get back to you on the dirt bike version though.

Seems to me an all aluminum version would kick complete and total ass. I gotta learn to TIG, damnit.

i really like the trailer.you did a great job.
i can't wait to see more picture of it in action,my concern is the turning radius on the trail behind different vehicles.i have a Land Rover Discovery 2.i do more trail riding in the Pinelands of New Jersey than anything else.i don't like rock crawling.I'm more into expedition type running.most of the time we are under water.in the swamps.

Nice work.

Here's a pic of the tent opened up. On a different trailer and is only for you to get an idea of the tent size/type.

What is the model of the tent that you mounted for the customer?
The picture that you added of it deployed is the family model, it's HUGE!!!
It's 48" x 87" closed... :eek:

I think if the wheelbase is 103" then the trailer tires ideally should be 103" from the rear vehicle tires. Clarification anyone?
Thats not absolutely correct nor would it be financially beneficial for a company to cater to each individual vehicle make and model. best solution is to measure the distance it would take to completely jack knife the trailer (90 degrees). this also gets the trailer out of the way when in camp. from that point on you can start your building. visualize the trailer full. you want about 200lbs on the tongue for good tracking at hwy speeds. factor in that to much tongue weight is bad as well. axels to far forward makes a trailer hard to control when backing and to far back puts to much weight on the tongue. Looking at your design, while I like it, it seems the tires would be a little to far back. Also think of the weight of your building materials. heavy duty is good but heavy is bad. As a dual purpose trailer this would be cool as well, top comes off and i can haul the wheeler or dirt bikes...

you want about 200lbs on the tongue for good tracking at hwy speeds. .

I've always heard that you want 10-15% of the weight of the whole trailer to be tongue weight.

Rustynuts, I do like the concept of your trailer, I think you might be reaching a demographic that hasn't been addressed in the market place just yet.
If you start making sales, you could probably expand a bit and offer options, like bolt on boxes that fit over the wheel wells etc.
The lower the price, the more attractive it will be of course. ;)

I work with a company that makes aluminum dog trailers for hunters. They primarily use torsion axles and they have had numerous customers in desert climates that wont run torsion axles. It something about how the sand gets in the crack of the torsion tube, where the axles actually rotates. I dont know all the details, but something for you to look into. We are in the design stages of a axleless suspension that runs a variable compression rate, without having torsion, bags or leaf springs. Basically it will be set up for a 1500 trailer dry and as you add weight it will handle up to 3500 lbs. It is designed for the high priced dogs to be riding in vehicle style comfort, no matter how much food, water, or cargo you have on the trailer.

I understand your concern fully. While I don't pretend to be a torsion axle or rubber expert, I do have some knowledge and would want to know a few things about your torsion experience.

There's an awful lot of different types of materials used (rubber technology, made in China or Germany) to make what was made 15 or 20 years ago. That said, I'd like to know how old the torsions that degraded were and how you were able to tell the degradation took place? How old or how long ago was this experience with the rubber torsions?

Now, don't take this as though I'm defending the torsion axles used. Not the case. Part of my industry training is analyzing and preventing failures of most anything. Shift that training to this topic and the questions I've asked above come into play. Many variables come into play when analyzing and preventing failures. What were the circumstances of your failing torsions?

Did you own the trailer over it's whole life to know how it was treated/abused throughout it's life span? How old was it before it began failing? Was it used in extreme cold climates (-30) or in the raging desert being sand blasted? Overloaded a lot? Was it home built or professionally built because design plays a role.

You don't have to answer any of these questions but for those reading this thread, quite simply, there are always A LOT of variables that come into play. A blanket statement that torsions don't last is not something that I endorse. My trailer supplier stated that the torsions simply do not wear out or fail quickly when sized/designed properly. I'm not saying it's impossible for a torsion to fail prematurely when used properly.:rolleyes:

Fair enough, I will attempt to switch from dilettante to diligent, though it won't be easy and may take a little time as its Federal budget analysis day:(

In the spirit of dilettanteness, yes, they were used in -30 to -40 weather, not fun. More later.

mabe i missed it, what was the weight of the trailer empty?

Very nice trailer. When will you know a price?

What is the model of the tent that you mounted for the customer?
The picture that you added of it deployed is the family model, it's HUGE!!!
It's 48" x 87" closed... :eek:


I don't recall the exact model but it's fairly large. Something like 48" x 72"


I work with a company that makes aluminum dog trailers for hunters. They primarily use torsion axles and they have had numerous customers in desert climates that wont run torsion axles. It something about how the sand gets in the crack of the torsion tube, where the axles actually rotates. I dont know all the details, but something for you to look into. We are in the design stages of a axleless suspension that runs a variable compression rate, without having torsion, bags or leaf springs. Basically it will be set up for a 1500 trailer dry and as you add weight it will handle up to 3500 lbs. It is designed for the high priced dogs to be riding in vehicle style comfort, no matter how much food, water, or cargo you have on the trailer.


Sounds pretty cool. Post up some spy pics

Fair enough, I will attempt to switch from dilettante to diligent, though it won't be easy and may take a little time as its Federal budget analysis day:(

In the spirit of dilettanteness, yes, they were used in -30 to -40 weather, not fun. More later.


No, I don't suppose -30 would be any fun. I've never been anywhere close to that kind of weather.



mabe i missed it, what was the weight of the trailer empty?


1100#


Very nice trailer. When will you know a price?


Thank you. As soon as the logistics are worked out, I'll let you know.

I have seen numerous trailers break where the box and tongue tubes meet. This needs to be re-engineered by adding thickness or vertical gusseting there...or a third tube coming from the trailer hitch straight back past the box and hook into the next "crossmember."

That third tube could be 2x4, or thick receiver material which would have enough strength for the hitch and moving the other two back to allow the 90' backing. The tongue/ring could actually slide back into it for shorter storage.

Note from trailering the Rubicon.... You either have a nice trailer or a nice Jeep...but you generally can't or won't have both for long.

The tail area looks like it would take a roll with no damage. Bending the fender tubes instead of welding them at the outside would give you the needed clearance for tips. The taillights need a slider.

Want to know how much a trailer moves around? Hang a cow bell off of it and see how long it lasts. Pack well.

I Like the ideas for the box, fenders and simple tortions...I would just concentrate on the tongue as several have mentioned.

;)I have seen numerous trailers break where the box and tongue tubes meet. This needs to be re-engineered by adding thickness or vertical gusseting there...or a third tube coming from the trailer hitch straight back past the box and hook into the next "crossmember."

That third tube could be 2x4, or thick receiver material which would have enough strength for the hitch and moving the other two back to allow the 90' backing. The tongue/ring could actually slide back into it for shorter storage.

Note from trailering the Rubicon.... You either have a nice trailer or a nice Jeep...but you generally can't or won't have both for long.

The tail area looks like it would take a roll with no damage. Bending the fender tubes instead of welding them at the outside would give you the needed clearance for tips. The taillights need a slider.

Want to know how much a trailer moves around? Hang a cow bell off of it and see how long it lasts. Pack well.

I Like the ideas for the box, fenders and simple tortions...I would just concentrate on the tongue as several have mentioned.


I'll keep your advice in mind. You can never have too strong a tongue. Especially when offroading (or dating;)).

Usage update. Everyone loves carnage so here's some fun. Nobody was hurt during the making of these clips.

The proud owner of his heavy duty trailer called me last Sunday and explained all the fun he had thrashing his new trailer. It looks like the day starts out harmless enough.:laughing:

The tent suffered damage, the JK hitch twisted open, and the pass side trailer spindle bent slightly. The lid, tailgate, and gas cans all held tight.:)

More pics can be found here.

http://jeepcali.com/trails/hhills/hhills031310.htm


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:p

:laughing::laughing::beer:

I love your test driver! That is some great product testing right there.

I'm definetily intersted in a cheaper version that what is currently offered out there. I've considered building one but I'm rather impatient!

I'll have to keep an eye on this thread, I'd consider being a tester for you :)

B

Man,some people have more money then sense.

Man,some people have more money then sense.

Ain't that the truth!

unbeleivable! Wish I could just trash my toys like that.

Rick

looks good my 2 cents
move the fuel cans to the outside (mostly looks)
have a customize option so it can be bigger or smaller and handle whatever is needed

my current offroad trailer is an old m101a1 that has 37 ndt treads on it a pintle hitch
its a beast and so heavy duty its un believible if you could make a larger one that is lighter than the 1200 lbs m101a1 but just as strong that would be sweet
but my common sense tells me buy the old millitary trailer for cheap so if you get base cost down and make options cheap it would be a great idea keep it up

Thanks for the feedback. I value anything you folks want to share.

Price would be the catch for me.. I am planning to build my own, but if something like this were affordable I'd be interested. The others (pretty trailers) are way too expensive.

Make a profit, but don't try to get rich on each trailer sold. That alone puts you ahead of the game..

I'm on my way to Henderson NV., in 3 or 4 weeks.. I would drive the 150 or so miles north for a good deal..

good luck, and good prices-- hurry up !!

Price would be the catch for me.. I am planning to build my own, but if something like this were affordable I'd be interested. The others (pretty trailers) are way too expensive.

Make a profit, but don't try to get rich on each trailer sold. That alone puts you ahead of the game..

I'm on my way to Henderson NV., in 3 or 4 weeks.. I would drive the 150 or so miles north for a good deal..

good luck, and good prices-- hurry up !!


I'll see what I can do. It's a slow process but making head way none the less.

I'll see what I can do. It's a slow process but making head way none the less.



I'm interested in a chassis with 5 on 4.5 inch hubs, tub with tailgate-fenders, and removeable lid. I'll add my carriers and storage provisions.

I'm interested in a chassis with 5 on 4.5 inch hubs, tub with tailgate-fenders, and removeable lid. I'll add my carriers and storage provisions.



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I like the concept!

I have been looking hard at the adventure trailers. I do like their airbag suspension, and attention to detail (slides for all the kitchen stuff, fridge, awning etc).

I do think starting with a trailer like this would allow for a more economic build.

I would be interested in a design, but I would think a flip down shelf on the side the tent doesn't open up with, along with a hard mounted awning, so you could set the camp stove and such and cook without having a seperate table.

I also like the idea of 8 on 6 1/2" but even adapters should be adequate.

Have you solidified any pricing yet?

I like the concept!

I have been looking hard at the adventure trailers. I do like their airbag suspension, and attention to detail (slides for all the kitchen stuff, fridge, awning etc).

I do think starting with a trailer like this would allow for a more economic build.

I would be interested in a design, but I would think a flip down shelf on the side the tent doesn't open up with, along with a hard mounted awning, so you could set the camp stove and such and cook without having a seperate table.

I also like the idea of 8 on 6 1/2" but even adapters should be adequate.



Thanks for the input. The options you listed are not complicated. Keep in mind, the added options means added cost.



Have you solidified any pricing yet?



No, not yet. There's alot of details to work out in order to get it right. Thanks for your patience btw.

To follow up....

I am looking at $20k Adventure trailers.

If yours comes in at $4k for a well equipped trailer, and we add the following:

Camping labs RTT -- $1000
AGM Battery, solar panels, 12v charger, assorted lights, harness, etc -- $1k
ARB fridge (or similar) -- $1k
Camping stove, propane tank etc -- $500
Water tanks, misc harware -- $500
Awning for "kitchen" area -- $250

I am still around half the cost.

If it takes $5k+ to buy your trailer ready to add camping gear, I wouldn't be interested as a big chunk of change on the AT is the $3k RTT, and some high end storage, etc.


I do think that a roll cage of some sort for the RTT would be handy.

To follow up....

I am looking at $20k Adventure trailers.

If yours comes in at $4k for a well equipped trailer, and we add the following:

Camping labs RTT -- $1000
AGM Battery, solar panels, 12v charger, assorted lights, harness, etc -- $1k
ARB fridge (or similar) -- $1k
Camping stove, propane tank etc -- $500
Water tanks, misc harware -- $500
Awning for "kitchen" area -- $250

I am still around half the cost.

If it takes $5k+ to buy your trailer ready to add camping gear, I wouldn't be interested as a big chunk of change on the AT is the $3k RTT, and some high end storage, etc.


I do think that a roll cage of some sort for the RTT would be handy.


Hang tight. I need to make sure all our ducks are in a row before proceeding. This sounds doable but until we have solid pricing ironed out, I can't say for sure. Thanks for the interest by the way.

so what happened here?

Looks like shit
to small
to square
looks to square
and o wait a minute mudpit footage, yep

first run prototype i quess?


just an opinion and sorry if it aint yours,,,,,,,,,

so what happened here?


They're not being produced for several reasons.

Looks like shit



thanks

Looks like shit
to small
to square
looks to square
and o wait a minute mudpit footage, yep

first run prototype i quess?


just an opinion and sorry if it aint yours,,,,,,,,,

Huh, lookie at the new douchebag... :rolleyes:

You gave us your opinion, but it wasn't at all constructive. Thanks though champ! :shaking:

They're not being produced for several reasons.

Can you explain a little more?

just given my opinion, i think it looks like a square box with wheels AKA ~shit~


And thanks mister adam basterd your great knowledge is above us,,,,,,
youve been on this board for over ten years with over 4000 posts thats roughly more than one post a day, everyday, for the last ten+ years,
ough wait for it, wait for it,"use the search feature", I bet thats your favorite, and i did you have started over fifteen pages of posts if not damn near all of them in GENERAL CHIT CHAT, wheres your great contribution to the project, or is this your secret identity and you actually wasted twice that much of your life slurp/lapping the sweat off of others nuts?

While you may be reading this thinking its a reach around handjob your about to find that tyrone the impayler is back there, have a good day you little bitch:flipoff2:









Huh, lookie at the new douchebag... :rolleyes:

You gave us your opinion, but it wasn't at all constructive. Thanks though champ! :shaking:


to the originator, Ill be happy to remove This reply along with and only if including the dribbling from whats his nuts, better yet complain and get us both banned please..........:confused:

Can you explain a little more?



Issues lay in the production and cost. No issues with design. Many folks want many different options.

Custom costs. For those that want inexpensive, cookie cutter is the way to go and there's several folks out there already doing that.