Hi all,
I was just wondering what everyone thought was the best mud tire out there. I am not worried about driving it in the street, who would build a bogger for that :flipoff2: I just want to know what everyone thinks is the best mud tire.........thanks ya'll,
Sandro

Originally posted by Sandro Onorini
bogger

you answered your own question! :rolleyes:

so a bogger is the best mud tire????????? thanks,
San

Bogger is Definately NOT the best mud tire. :flipoff2:

Am I the only one here who wants to ...

FLAME HIM?

J. J.

Flame who?????????:flipoff2: I have only gotten one answer to my original question..............I thought everyone would jump all over this. One guys said boggers is the best mud tire, one dissagreed with him..............I have tried boggers, swamper TSL's, and many others........and I have found that there isn't a street legel tire out there that pulls harder in the mud than a Super Swamper TSL, I just wanted to get other people thought on it.
San

search newbie:flipoff2:

hell... if you dont care about the street, and have no sanctioning body telling you what to do.. go for some of the good year agricultur tires.. they got like 3x the tread depth, and they definetly self clean..

you also didnt mention any specifics.. ie: do you have the hp to turn agresive tires? axles to hold up to the abuse? etc...

welcome newbie:flipoff2:
SEARCH! LIVE IT, LEARN IT ! LOVE IT!

For DOT, uncut - Q78 TSL's :D

27x8.50 BFG AT with no tread

NO I'm nt kidding:flipoff2:

Firestone wilderness A/T
They are the best, because you could get all you want for free at the Ford dealerships.

I haven't tried the bogger yet, because I know my driveline can't take it.

Have had a set of groundhawg that worked great in the mud on a big truck.

Bogger is the king of off road "mud" tires from what I have seen.

A lot of factors come into play.
Width verses rig weight
Horsepower
Height and width verses center clearance
Do you want to dig to the bottom, or blast across the top.
A lot of variables, no one tire is best for everything
(except for the wilderness A/T of course)

I don't think the Goodyears are better than Boggers. I have seen both in action. The Goodyears don't have scoops.

how about a set of m/t sportsman pros?

I think a while back Petersons did a mud tire shootout, the results of there comparison was the swamper boggers were the best out of the many tires they tested. Pro Comps were the worst.:skull:

T1H5_TA3 asked if I had the HP and running gear to turn a agressive tire.......I want to reply to that:) I don't believe it should be in the swamp unless it's One Ton and it has less than 400HP:flipoff2: , I just couldn't see a set of jeep axles trying to hold up to a set of 44 TSL's or boggers without snaping. If your gonna run a real tire you need real running gear...........I knew this thread would get you guys talkin:D Thanks for all the relpies..........us newbies have to ask all the dumb questions........how else will we become smart veterns:evil:
San

Originally posted by Sandro Onorini
...I have tried boggers, swamper TSL's, and many others........and I have found that there isn't a street legel tire out there that pulls harder in the mud than a Super Swamper TSL...

Boggers.

If you've had Boggers, Swampers, and many others, then WTF are you doing asking such a question? Sorry, but go get some TSL's and bring your truck out to the mud. We'll see which tire performs better. :flipoff2:

This is like the guy who told me on the trail that his A/T's "kicked ass" in the mud. Ok, right...:rolleyes:

Sorry, but go get some TSL's and bring your truck out to the mud. We'll see which tire performs better.

Welp, I know which tires I run and will keep running.........I wanted to get other peoples ideas. IMO.......I wouldn't challange people, expecially if I don't know what they got:flipoff2: But every one is entitled to say what they want:D Unless you have BIG BALLS under the hood and running gear to handle the bite, plus be light enough, a bogger sucks in the mud:flipoff2:
San

BOGGERS BOGGERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ONCE YOU'VE HAD BOGGERS, YOU'LL NEVER GO BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is rather interesting................I've read quite a few posts and find that there is alot of useful info and well there is some pretty useless stuff too.........but for the most part some pretty good stuff...........I still think SWAMPER TSL's are the best mud tire:D
San

TEX says boggers arn't all that in mud. He races in mud on a professinal level so he should know. Talk to him.

Originally posted by mudtruck44
I don't think the Goodyears are better than Boggers. I have seen both in action. The Goodyears don't have scoops.

I know that you have run in the mud, and I dont question your experiance, knowledge, or ability, but I would like to know why you think that?

The goodyears dont have scoops to make them clean better with low to medium hp rigs. I find that nice cause I dont have to hammer down on the stupid pedal to drive through the mud. (better on the environment and my check book :D )

I run goodyears, and have compared them to Boggers on several trails. IMHO there is no comparrison. Bogger seems like an allterrain compared to the goodyear from what I have seen. The Goodyears Im running are 44.6" Tall and have 50/32" (1.5625")deep tread, compared to the boggers 26/32" (0.8125")

http://www.alaskaoffroad.com/images/Tech/cutterra.jpg

I have owned 3 sets of boggers and one of them was cut (everyother lug) and two sets of goodyear terra tires. Not trying to argue, just looking for some input from another Mudder like myself.


Brook :usa:

I guess it depends if you're talking DOT or non DOT tires

DOT ties- Boggers rule


Non DOT- you can cut tires to fit your needs

Depends which class you want to race in

Originally posted by Sandro Onorini
......I knew this thread would get you guys talkin:D

Thanks dude, it was really dead on here before you asked this :rolleyes:

well if we are gonna talk DOT then Swamper TSL's are the best........if it's non DOT than why not run a set of rice&canes? If you want tread depth the rice&cane is prolly better than 2"..........but then again you need a rig with some pretty stout running gear, but WTF if they're non DOT you better have a pretty mean ride:D now if your gonna mud race and are not gonna use DOT tires then why not run a set of paddles? Here where we race it's about 50-50 between the TSL's and the boggers, because there only a few classes that you can run the paddles in. So guys even run TSL,s up front and boggers out back, like White Knight said, pretty much choose your class:evil:
San

For any semblance of mud, you'll need a bogger. Mud around here usually consists of something you can't dig down to the bottom of, so running ultra skinny treads is hopeless. There's a lot of sand around here too, and the boggers hook up REALLY well when aired down to 4psi. Break 14 bolt axles really well for example. I ran TSL's last year, and I put them back on this year while I took the boggers off for beadlock maintainence. TSL's aren't much more than a joke, unless you can manage to build up copious amounts of tire speed in mud that has a bottom... THEN, they work well. Boggers, on the other hand take a lot of power to displace mud in front of them, but they'll easy throw bread-like loaves of mud behind the truck in an effort to chew forward. You can't be in any serious form of mud if you're talking up swampers man, because those tires aren't good for much outside of street and snow. I can't vouch for rocks, so watch me on that one.

As far as running a goodyear terra tire- that'd be nice if you wanted to go creepy crawly over everything, but that's not always key. I wouldn't say you'd be able to keep axles in the truck with those tires on the end, unless you went to say, a 2 1/2 ton diff. I have enough problems with the boggers letting axles stay in the truck for more than a few outings. If I decide to get new wheels and tires any time soon, my money will be on the one's like brook runs.

As an aside, have you ever aired those down for better conformity to rocks, smoother ride, better traction etc. Do the sidewalls give any?

I have to disagree with the boggers chewing up and pushing forward. The kind of mud we have looks like hard ground and before you know it half the rig just disappeared. From what I have experiensed and seen with the boggers is first off you need major HP along with strong running gear, they have to spin fast only prob is they dig down so fast your free wheelin before you get very far. As for the TSL's you can run them balls to the wall, creep, or even back out if you would like, and they will stay on top better than the boggers.

If you are gonna run in mud with no bottom you need to go with a wide tire and a wide rim, I have found if you balloon the tire out it works better in mud with no bottom. I have never climbed rocks, I have eaten a few:goofball: but due to having no rocks around here to climb we just play in the mud:D

The cheveron type treaded tires work extreemely well on a buggy or light rig, super tall and an agressive style tread. I run 54" tall 20" wide cheveron tread tires on my buggy and it will go anywhere, soupy or thick mud. It has a dana 70 front and a 14 bolt rear, only thing it the tires weigh as much as the buggy,although in total it only weighs 3000lbs. But for hunting and the 3 trany setup it is ideal for going anywhere. I have a friend who has a jeep on a set of the same tires not quite as tall and none of the other trucks can come close to where he can stick that thing. But it's all what you like and what you want to try to accomplish.
San

no reply Mudtruck? :confused:

Originally posted by MR4WD
TSL's aren't much more than a joke, unless you can manage to build up copious amounts of tire speed in mud that has a bottom...

That has to be the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. Are you a democrat or something?

Originally posted by reddwarf


That has to be the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. Are you a democrat or something?

What?! Are you on glue? I ran 39.5x15x16.5" TSL's last year, and the year before that. I'm speaking from first-hand experience chump. I threw on a set of 39.5" boggers for kicks and was amazed. So amazed in fact, that I went out and bought a set of 44" boggers. I'm telling you, from my first hand experience that in MUD, which is what this thread is about, that everything will pale in comparison to boggers. The traction over a TSL is probably around 100 percent better. When aired down, I'd say another 100 percent again. What is it that you run?

Originally posted by MR4WD

As an aside, have you ever aired those down for better conformity to rocks, smoother ride, better traction etc. Do the sidewalls give any?

HE'S BACK!!!!!!!!!!

[i] and the 3 trany setup it is ideal for going anywhere. [/B]



Do you have any pictures of your multiple tranny set-up? How are they coupled? ...all manuals or do you have an automatic thrown in for fun? What is the overall length of your drivetrain when you have three transmissions? are they all end to end?

Originally posted by redrangie


HE'S BACK!!!!!!!!!!

You're stupid.

why start a thread on a topic that you think you know everything about?

Have you been reading Mrs4WD's threads?

Originally posted by MR4WD
What is it that you run?

38x12.50 TSL jackass :flipoff2:

If you swear by your TSL's then what is the question? "I Tried boggers but TSL's worked better, whats the best tire?" Confused

Originally posted by bgreen
no reply Mudtruck? :confused:

I was out of town. I don't know, I guess if you have ran both, then you would know better. I have wheel ed with a few guys that had Goodyears, and I was never impressed. It is possible that this had more to do with thier trucks than the tires.

Originally posted by mudtruck44
It is possible that this had more to do with thier trucks than the tires.

Must have been fords :flipoff2:

I am looking for a tire that will be good climbing steep muddy hills.

How would the chevron type tread of the Goodyears be in that type of condition?

Robert VanLane

IMHO, better than anything else.

For Wet Rocks, not good at all.

Brook

Are the Goodyear`s mounted in a special way?
It would seem that there is alot more stress on the bead than if they were on a tractor.

I think from what I remember the only smaller sizes are the tires mounted on the fronts of tractors.

Robert VanLane