goin to school in Colorado, away from my shop back home in Oregon.. This week is my spring break so hopefully we can have a rolling rig by the end of the week..

'91 2 door XJ
4.0
AW4
dana 300
60 front.. 3 link w/ track bar
70HD rear.. double tri 4 link
40" IROKs and H1s

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I didn't really take step by step pics, but here's was i ended up with at the end of the day...
-Comp cut
-Chop top
-An some other hacking that doesn't really have a name......
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headed to bed.. hopefully get all the undercoating off the uni-body tomorrow, maybe start plating it too..

Subscribed.. i fawkin love these step by step build threads

nice, i love already :mr-t:

Rear looks familiar...:flipoff2:

2 doors look bitchin cut up. Nicely done sir. Subsrciribed!

lot of college kids building xj's...... i built mine while i was dropped out then went back to college :flipoff2: looks good... that rear piece does look strangely familiar...

Rear looks familiar...:flipoff2:

it'll look even more familiar when its done :smokin::smokin: what size tires are yor runnin?? i rolled those 40s up against it last night an was like FAWK!!

it'll look even more familiar when its done :smokin::smokin: what size tires are yor runnin?? i rolled those 40s up against it last night an was like FAWK!!

38.5 Maxxis Creepy's

Pretty sure I wouldnt have a problem with 40's in the rear. The front is another story. But I have a solution for that.......:evil:

a lil jealous. its a spitting image of my xj when i first got it, (the first pic lol)
and i cant hack it up til its not the dd

subscribed:grinpimp:

Looking good!

lookin good tater tot. if this turns out like your 4 door it'll be pretty sick...

lookin good tater tot. if this turns out like your 4 door it'll be pretty sick...

it'll be FAR sicker than the 4 door..... the 4 door being the black, original Tater XJ.....

got the rear section of the frame welded to the uni body.. i'll sand that all smooth and plate over it when i plate the rest of the rails..

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also got the dovetail somewhat completed...

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got the smashed front bumper and fender supports removed and the front fenders roughly cut.... more cutting once i get the control arms in...

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rough wheelbase...
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also got the rockers cut... 2x6x.188 will soon take their place..

passenger side
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driverside
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hopefully make a run to the steel yard tomorrow, pick up some .188 plate for reinforcing for unibody, some 2x6x.188 for the rocker/sliders, and some other odd an end shit..

Fitting 40's on the front isnt that hard :flipoff2:

Fitting 40's on the front isnt that hard :flipoff2:

im not complaining yet.... get all the suspension mocked up here in the next couple days.. gunna run stock coils in the rear and probably some V8 ZJ 6.5s in the front then i'll trim those down if i need to but i need to get anything that would fall into sprung weight, in it.. so the motor, tranny, tcase, cage, fuel tank, suck down and recovery winches, front bumper, and a cooler of course

Thats a really nice bucket seat. :flipoff2:

Thats a really nice bucket seat. :flipoff2:

HA!! it took me a while to figure out what the fuck you were talkin about.. i was like my seats aren't even in any of these pics...... lol but i do have some fairly nice seats for it already...

lookin :grinpimp: Nate
now hurry up so we can break it:flipoff2:

lookin :grinpimp: Nate
now hurry up so we can break it:flipoff2:

yeah i know, fuck... makin good headway though :smokin:

kinda feel like i didn't get shit done today, helped out dad quite a bit with that '78 chevy pickup in the background in some of the pics.. but here's what did get done...


went to the steal yard to get some 2x6x.188 for the new rockers, that took up the majority of the morning.. got both sides completely built and almost completely welded on.. had to notch a 47" section where the door jam an the floor come together so it would come up tight on the inside of whats left of the factory rocker... here's some pics of those mother fuckers..

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annnddd one of the driverside..

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also wire wheeled an flap disc'd all the shit off the rails so i can plate them tomorrow.. some asshole (pretty sure it was me......) unplugged the battery charger for my cordless drill, so, didn't get to drilling spot welds and removing the front leaf spring mounts, rear seatbelt mounts, LCA and UCA mounts, and the factory seat mounting studs in the floor... then clean all the shit off rails thats underneath all that trash.. but here's how far i got with that.....

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gotta love lifts....

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glad that shits over..

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no pictures.. not because i forgot the camera, jus too lazy to go take some of what i did today....

but.. got the rest of the shit off the rails, (LCA mounts, UCA mounts, front leaf spring mounts, rear seatbelt mounts, and shaved the lip off the inside of the rails behind the LCAs)

also got the rear section of the uni-body plated and the pieces made to plate the middle secion, get those welded on tomorrow an hopefully get a good start on the rear suspension..

Keep up the good work Nate with every ,move your making you are getting closer to the finish line:smokin: everything I see you puttin out you have the skills your work looks great. Lets go wheelin

Keep up the good work Nate with every ,move your making you are getting closer to the finish line:smokin: everything I see you puttin out you have the skills your work looks great. Lets go wheelin

Thanks clint... did you make a build thead for that beastly dodge on here??

EDIT: nevermind.. i found it :grinpimp::grinpimp: this's my buddy Clint's build up.. check it out.. one will shit his pants.. http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=849283

callin it a night... ran out of gas and wire and also burnt up my last welder tip and plasma consumables today.. all within an hour.. :mad3: that was an expensive trip to air gas.... anyone have an online hookup for consumables??

got the rails plated and capped up to the front of the rockers and started the rear suspension crossmember.. will have that finished by noon tomorrow probably..

also gunna have to cut up and rework my rear truss to better accept coil springs vs air shocks which was the original plan.. should have the rear sittin on its own by tomorrow night.. that will include pictures for sure..

Check out Cyber Weld I have always had good luck with them.

http://www.cyberweld.com/

finally took some pictures.. got the rear 4 link cross member abour 90% complete... still need to box the bottom side of the LCA mounts and a few gussets here and there..

also need to cut some new UCAs.. these particular links im reusing off my last crawler that never really got finished haha but.. i'll cut some longer UCAs an that'll put the pinion up where it belongs and make is so they're not maxed out of adjustment on the rod ends..

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x2 on cyberweld, got my welder from them. I like the rear xmember, any plans to support the UCA mounts more? also instead of reworking the truss (remaken it?) why not just notch out for the base plate for the coil pad and weld it to the truss?

Holt shit, got flex? Damn that looks nice man!

Really diggin the rear off that and your fram work. Makes me wish I'd taken more time on mine...

I like how you did your upper mounts. I'll have to remember that for my next build. Any plan the round the edges to match the lower mounts?

kinda nice seeing someone "un-noob" the Cherokee forum.

To bad you are going to go back to school and we aren't going to see updates until summer.

x2 on cyberweld, got my welder from them. I like the rear xmember, any plans to support the UCA mounts more? also instead of reworking the truss (remaken it?) why not just notch out for the base plate for the coil pad and weld it to the truss?

thanks.. and thats exactly what im going to do.. i'll never ever ever bend a 4"x.500 wall axle tube, so its kinda overbuilt in the first place..

Holt shit, got flex? Damn that looks nice man!
Really diggin the rear off that and your fram work. Makes me wish I'd taken more time on mine...

haha thanks matt.. thats as high as i wanted to go considering nothing on the axle was permanent (all the bracketry is just tach'd on) and thats a 500lb axle suspended from a shitty ass ratchet strap.... that was just about maxed out though..

I like how you did your upper mounts. I'll have to remember that for my next build. Any plan the round the edges to match the lower mounts?

yeah i'll jus touch um up with a grinder.. im also going to do some more gussets here on there on it...

kinda nice seeing someone "un-noob" the Cherokee forum.
To bad you are going to go back to school and we aren't going to see updates until summer.

i know your tellin me.. i need to save up some cash anyways.. still need to find a dana 300 then i'll make a clocking ring.. also need a H.O. 4.0l and an AW4..... that'll get it rollin on its own power... then i'll weld it front and rear till i can get some detroits and 7.17s..
thanks for the "un-noob" comment... :D

today was the last day i had to work on the XJ.. goal for the week was to get it rolling, so in order for that to happen, the front suspension needed to be designed and built today..... got it done =) minus the track bar...... kinda scabbed somethin that is EXTREMELY TEMPORARY i didn't even want to flex it with that piece of shit in there... strictly for holding shit still while it gets rolled around the shop till i can get an engine for it..

everything as far as the front suspension goes is only firmly tach'd together, in case i need to move anything around when the engine tranny an t case get set in.. my DD is the same exact thing as this rig **'93 2 door XJ 4.0 auto** so i had something to pull measurements from as far as the crossmember placements go..


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EDIT: dont ask why that axle mount is adjustable... my dad drilled the holes in it and i told him to drill three holes in it at 8" 9" and 10" of separation... i got 5" 6.5" 8" and 9.5" haha.. i'll make it work..... if not, i'll make a new one an drill the holes in it myself..
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now for the wonderful excuse of a track bar.. again.. if you were to lazy to read the above paragraph..... TEMPORARY.....

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now some overalls of what the past 8 days has brought.. but first a reminder of what it looked like LAST Saturday morning...

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv58/DC4W-93XJ/Tater2%20Take%20Two/tatertwotaketwo027.jpg

one week later..

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I am going to tell you right now. You are going to have to redo that upper 3 link mount. I know the complete lack of space that is there when the engine and trans are in the vehicle. And that mount is BIG.

When doing suspension work on these things you either need TONS of measurements of where the drivetrain is going to be or have the drivetrain in the vehicle.

anyways. Everything looks good. haha

Nate, Crawler has a strong argument there. The mount size itself I dont nessicarily see being a huge problem as at your point a hole in the floorboard is minute, but it looks like you've got it sitting where the pan/housing will be and something tells me it wont fit or be even close. I cant say for sure, but it looks like it.

I know your on your last day for work and mainly looking for a roller, but Id carefully remeasure and check clearances before you burn that home.

Set-up looks nice though and that trac arm is bacontacular!

I see your little portaban mishap on the coil mount there.... It acctually woulda been just fine to shave a chunk out, but looks like it came out just fine though and i like how you utilized the leaf bolt too. Good work! :smokin:

EDIT: On second thought, you may be ok. I just went and took a look at my rig (also AW4) and it looks like your might be clear. I'd double/triple check though. If you need some measuments let me know.

thanks guys.. yeah NOTHING will get burnt on till everthing is in.. pickin up my d300 from a dude in clifton next week an im sure i can scrounge up an engine an tranny before summer time..

now for the 13 hour drive back to colorado the morning after the time change.. fuck..

now for the 13 hour drive back to colorado the morning after the time change.. fuck..

I'll have a bacon sammy ready for ya when ya get here. :smokin:

I'll have a bacon sammy ready for ya when ya get here. :smokin:

fuck dude.. my house got broken into when i was gone.. none of my shit is gone, i think cuz i spend all my money on shit for my jeep instead of on nice tv's an high end electronic shit... but my 3 other roommates all together now.. here's the list..

glock 9mm
2, 42" plasma flat screens
20" flat screen
surround sound system
playstation 3 + games + controllers
a fuck load of movies
burton snowboard
digital camera
2 lap tops
2 long boards
they also got ahold of the set of spare keys for the only truck in the driveway
another snowboard.. think it was a ride..
RC trophy truck
2 original Xbox's + games + controllers (who the fuck would steal an original Xbox... they can have that..)

i think thats it..... but my roommate Kyle got home about 8:30 saturday night an the sliding glass door was WIDE open an every light in the house was on.. (yes the house was completely secured before we left on break) They got in through an older wooden frame window with a piss poor lock on it, looks like they pry'd it open an climbed over the entertainment center, then took everything out the slider..

every room in the house got it's door kicked in.. which is absolutely ridiculous considering they were all unlocked... who the fuck kicks in an unlocked door... :homer::homer: reminds me of Dane Cook's, vicious circle..

our house wasn't the only house that was broken into, there were 4 others all of which had some tie to a football player (everyone who lives here plays football for the college down the street) and all the homes tenants were gone to far away places for spring break..

hmmmm.. this one will be a toughy to figure out, but when/if it does.. im kicking your fucking balls in for kicking my UNLOCKED door in your stupid mother fucker.. :shaking:

EDIT: not sure why i said that ^^ who knows.... he's got a couple laptops now, maybe he'll register to pirate4x4..

Wow that sucks.

I'm not going to lie. I would kick every door down too. Just because I want to kick a door down.

Glad to hear none of your stuff was taken. I was that guy that had all the goodies in my apartment at school so I would have been screwed. :laughing:

Dude that fuckin sucks man! Thats prolly why you blew me up at 7:30 and told me you hadn't slept yet ehh...glad they didn't nab your shit but fuck....


Thats 300 dick punches minimum for those assclowns.

fuck man.. they took some retarded shit... more an more stuff keeps comin up missing..

Jager machine
bathroom scale
food scale
Ipod
Ihome

that's it so far.. the list is only gunna get longer im sure..

300 dick punches would make for a shitty day haha

Who the fuck steals a bathroom scale? :homer:

haha i know!! i can understand the food scale.. ya know.. gotta weigh them drugs.. but when you've got so much dope you need a bathroom scale.... holy hell :shaking::shaking:

Renters insurance?

I am really hoping you and your roommates have it. :homer:

fuck man.. they took some retarded shit... more an more stuff keeps comin up missing..

Jager machine


NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO! :eek:

Renters insurance?

I am really hoping you and your roommates have it. :homer:

nope! :shaking:

AND it has come to our attention that our landlord doesn't even have homeowners insurance on this place.....

im outa this bitch asap

Him not having homeowner's ins. doesn't hurt or help you either way.
That's between him and his mortgage company, unless he owns it outright.
Too bad your roomies had to learn about renter's ins. the hard way.

no he owns it outright.. he lives in costa rica for fucks sake, he's a stingy old wrinkly bastard..

would love to be in my home when some fuckwad tries to break in and I blast him in the face with a pistol.

I feel their pain. I left for the weekend last summer, had a new 56" flat screen, xbox 360, brand new surround sound, new laptop, ipods, and other misc. shit stolen from my house the second weekend I was there (I left for the weekend). Glad none of your shit was stolen.

Back on point, nice progress so far.

I feel their pain. I left for the weekend last summer, had a new 56" flat screen, xbox 360, brand new surround sound, new laptop, ipods, and other misc. shit stolen from my house the second weekend I was there (I left for the weekend). Glad none of your shit was stolen.

Back on point, nice progress so far.

Thanks.. yeah thats all the more progress you'll see for awhile.. back in colorado now till school's over for the summer.. then i'll get a solid 2.5 months of workin on it.. hopefully by the end of summer i'll have it completely done, the only thing that'll stop me is the green $$

the only thing that'll stop me is the green $$

Green put me dead in my tracks. Seriously dead. Other than abrasives, bottles and wire, I havn't dropped a penny since December. Hope you have better luck than me....:flipoff2:

well if all else fails an i still need a motor by June... i put a motor in this dumbass kid's TJ in like fuckin august an he still hasn't paid me... so i might go on a repo mission an tear it right the fuck outa that bitch an haul it home to Tater2

well if all else fails an i still need a motor by June... i put a motor in this dumbass kid's TJ in like fuckin august an he still hasn't paid me... so i might go on a repo mission an tear it right the fuck outa that bitch an haul it home to Tater2

Hate people like that. :shaking: I used to do a lot of side jobs and after getting jewed enough times I'll even tell my friends to fuck off unless they present cash before hand. If it comes down to it and you need help tracking down a motor, lemme know. Some awesome junkyards my way and I'd throw one in the back a the truck for ya.

thanks man.. i'll let ya know.. im not kiddin though.. i'd fuckin load the cherry picker up on my flatbed an haul balls over to his house in the middle of the night an have that bitch out in an hour or so.... no fuck that.. 20 min.. im takin the oxyfuel an my best pair of dykes hahaha

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Doesnt look like the rears gunna flex very well. :D

Yeah my house at college got broken into too. I left all my stuff there when i went home for christmas break. Came back to pay the cable bill and it was raided. They took my razor blades all the shot glasses and some other stuff. It sucked. Im still thinking of stuff that they stole.

300 nut kicks would be hilarious

its sping steel.. it should flex great.. :flipoff2:

comparing different setups to cost to final crawl ratio.. check my math..

so far im settling on this setup and someday will get a 4:1 kit for the t-case..
AW4 1st gear = 2.80:1
dana 300 low range = 2.62:1
ring and pinon ratio = 7.17

now i was told the formula was ring and pinion ratio X t-case ratio X 1st gear ratio X 1.5 for the torque converter..

factory dana 300, no mods
7.17 X 2.62 X 2.80 X 1.5 = 78.90:1

with a 4:1 kit...
7.17 X 4.00 X 2.80 X 1.5 = 120.5:1

box for rocks 231/300 doubler w/ factory low range ratios...
7.17 X 2.62 X 2.72 X 2.80 X 1.5 = 214.60:1

box for rocks 231/300 doubler w/ 4:1 in D300
7.17 X 4.00 X 2.72 X 2.80 X 1.5 = 327.64:1 holy shit..

just for fun, box for rocks 231/300 doubler w/ 4:1 in both cases
7.17 X 4.00 X 4.00 X 2.80 X 1.5 = hahaha 481.82:1 little excessive and very expensive to boot..

whose runnin what and how do you like it i guess is the next step.. i have 0 intention of doing anything over 30mph... ever...

i vote doubler with the 4 to 1 in the d300......


thats what i would do if i had the coin.

i do plan on the 231 d300 doubler, but can only afford the stock gears in both cases.

Hey Nate, I would run a 231 doubled to a d300 from the get go, that way you dont have to redo the tcase mounts/cross members and whatever else later when you double it up (3 ratios is tities if you crawl, ride the trails and see street time) You should have more then enough crawl with stock 2.72 & 2.62 ratios in both cases and 5.38s in the axles. 7.17s cost a nut and break if you look at them wrong :(

Reference: I have 2.28 doubled to 2.28, th350 first@2.5 and 5.38s in the axles and I never see anything above 1200 rps when im doubled down in the rocks w/49"s.

Jeep looks sick though, hurry up and get that shit done so we can go rape some rocks!

Hey Nate, I would run a 231 doubled to a d300 from the get go, that way you dont have to redo the tcase mounts/cross members and whatever else later when you double it up (3 ratios is tities if you crawl, ride the trails and see street time) You should have more then enough crawl with stock 2.72 & 2.62 ratios in both cases and 5.38s in the axles. 7.17s cost a nut and break if you look at them wrong :(

Reference: I have 2.28 doubled to 2.28, th350 first@2.5 and 5.38s in the axles and I never see anything above 1200 rps when im doubled down in the rocks w/49"s.

Jeep looks sick though, hurry up and get that shit done so we can go rape some rocks!

Mark, how ya doin man, thanks for the help.. im startin to lean more towards the doubler by the day..

Mark, how ya doin man, thanks for the help.. im startin to lean more towards the doubler by the day..

I knew it was only a matter of time before you'd reconsider. :flipoff2: :laughing:

300 alone is good, but the advantages of the doubler are almost too good to ignore.

im doing ok... kinda, funny story... Im actually broke down in Denver/Wheat Ridge right now sitting in a hotel room waiting for my d-max to get fixed :(

I am in the process of collecting parts to do the 231/300 or 203/300 combo myself, im busting up my poor toy boxes, not to mention i would give my other left nut for some front dig :smokin:

Save the money that you would spend on the 300 4:1 gears and put it toward a stak replace-a-case.

I knew it was only a matter of time before you'd reconsider. :flipoff2: :laughing:

300 alone is good, but the advantages of the doubler are almost too good to ignore.

didn't even realize you posed this.. lol but shit yeah matt.. that D&D machine kit awaits my arrival back home in Oregon.. found a tranny too, out of a '96, around 100K for $100.. now all i need is a motor!!

bought a trailer today to cart this piece of shit around on.. $200 bones.. it's 30' long at the moment, i'll cut it down to around 16' and use the remaining 14' to reinforce where need be..

it's build out of 2x4 tubing and has tandem 4" drop axles.. should work perfect..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/trailer2.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/trailer1.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/trailer4.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/trailer3.jpg

back home for the summer once again.. see if i cant nail this thing out in the next month or so.. I've been gathering parts from around the country in seems like.. between being in OR and CO and traveling between the two, here's what i've accumulated..

Motor out of a '92 XJ.. $150 bucks.. Portland, OR
Transmission.. out of a '96 XJ.. $100 bucks.. Mt. Home, ID
Jeep Dana 300 transfercase, not sure what that's out of.. $100 bucks.. Denver, CO
231J transfercase, out of a '93 XJ.. had that already.. Free..


Got it all under the same roof as my rig, now time to put it all together.. the engine looked like complete ass and i wanted to put a few gaskets and seals in it for cheap insurance while i had it out..
valve cover gasket - $10
intake & exhaust manifold gasket - $10
throttle body gasket - $2.50
rear main seal - $9
front mail seal - $ 12
silicone for the pan - $10

then the regular shit... oil, filter, plugs, wires, cap, rotor... blah blah blah

painted it all up and set it in today..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/Tater2taketwo019.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/Tater2taketwo017.jpg


built the front suspension without any of that shit in there an it came out pretty tits i think..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/Tater2taketwo020.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/Tater2taketwo022.jpg


gotta finish up some customer rigs for the rest of the week... more to come after that though..

Rigs looking good. My front end will soon look like that. :evil:

That trailer is going to flex like crazy. 2 x 4 is very light. 2 x 6 would be a minimum in my book. I am guessing it had a camper body on that frame.

How do you think it will be with the 7:17 gears? I am doing a build with a 4 Cyl Comanchee and I was thinking about 6:17 but now I don't know.

Rigs looking good. My front end will soon look like that. :evil:

That trailer is going to flex like crazy. 2 x 4 is very light. 2 x 6 would be a minimum in my book. I am guessing it had a camper body on that frame.

you're right it does.. im gunna cut it down to a 13' deck and use what i cut off to stiffen it up a bit.. the dude built it like 15 years ago and built a camp trailer on it.. im not complaining though, $200 bucks..... tandem 4" drop axles with electric brakes on both..


How do you think it will be with the 7:17 gears? I am doing a build with a 4 Cyl Comanchee and I was thinking about 6:17 but now I don't know.

not using 7.17s... that pinion is ridiculously small, they're VERY expensive and with the 231/300 doubler and 4.10s i should be around 162:1... i might go down to 5.13s someday but for now, being on a budget, a $500 doubler is way cheaper and more beneficial than $1200 worth of gears (that i'll break anyways) and install sets.

I like how you just said "fuck it!....Im painting the harnesses and everything!" :laughing:

I like how you just said "fuck it!....Im painting the harnesses and everything!" :laughing:

well fuck.. first i painted the tranny primer gray an pulled the harness all back an masked it off.. then my brother did me a favor an unmasked it all before i painted it red so i was like fuck it hahaha..

got a frustrated with the wiring and the engine so i fucked with the front sheet metal a bit an here's what came of it..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2taketwo018-1.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2taketwo017-1.jpg

sawzall broke the header panel.. lol.. oh well
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2taketwo020-1.jpg

fucked around with some fuel storage too.. super scientific shit goin on here, might build my own tank.. not sure yet.. and im aware the tank is backwards for all the smartass's
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2taketwo019-1.jpg

oh and i also cut new control arms for the front.... 2" longer, cuz at full lock the tires and sliders argued...

WB is now 108.5

Those 4x4 block springs are gonna be way to stiff man...:shaking:
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Those 4x4 block springs are gonna be way to stiff man...:shaking:
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they'll work just about as well as the spring steal im runnin in the back :flipoff2:

got your voicemail just now, BAhahahahahahhahaha

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww81/JeepinGuy10/Random%20Jeep%20Pictures/100_2685.jpg

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww81/JeepinGuy10/Random%20Jeep%20Pictures/100_2690.jpg


These are the bumps Nate. The trial run I was impressed as hell. That doesn't really say dick, but they where good enough to keep and continue to experiment with. Plus I have like fucking 10 of them so I may experiment by drilling a 1" hole down the center to soften them up a tit.

I mounted them with a piece of 2" tube (4" long I think), welded a weld washer with a nutsert and they screw right in.

If these dont strike your fancy, look into 08' and newer 1500 silverado rear bumps. I cant be for sure but I'd almost say they ARE Timbrens. If not, very close. They too can be mounted the same way.

Only thing that has me a touch iffy on my choice is the center bolt. It's only 7/16", so the potential to break is not overwhelmingly concerning, but nun the less... a definate possiblilty. And now a few beers in, I think I'll go ahead and hack one up to see whats goin on inside and possibilties of bolt upgrades....

Other junkyard options are avail, but they would need mounted much like a factory front. Where the bump kinda seats, snaps, set's itself in the tower. Nothing actually retaining it. These bumps would be found in the rear of some Hyundais and Kias, newer Dodge Vans, and PT Cruisers. Very similar to what I have, just diffrent mounting.

Hope thats helps.

Edit: Yes my garage has carpet. No havn't lit it on fire. Yes, my table is crooked as balls....and ya damn right thats a Harbor Freight Cop saw. And no, I dont loan out hammers. :flipoff2:

that bolt should be plenty heavy.... but i dunno.. i was thinkin about jus runnin the XJ front bump holder and getting some extended bumps or something tht i could make fit in them..

i like the carpet that looks like its out of a 70s skating rink haha..

reworked some stuff on my 60 today.. had to add 2" to the back of the coil perches 'cuz i pushed the front out about that much last week.. also finally made some more final LCA mounts, came out alright, not quite finished yet..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/027.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/028.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/029.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/031.jpg



also thinkin i like this line (the blue striping tape) much better.. more sheet metal's about to fall off..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/032.jpg


and here's a rough ride height shot... i'd like it to be about an inch to an inch and a half lower.. but, beggers cant be choosers i guess..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/033.jpg


gunna finish plating the front of the frame tomorrow and get a track bar in the works..

Whats your plan for the coil buckets frameside? You gonna brace that up with tube, reskin it like T&T's fenders, or maybe just cut it all out and run coilovers haha?

Fuck yea Nate! Ride height looks bitchn. Lov'n how low you are.

I'd go with line number 2 as well. Just looks better IMHO.

Coil mounts and lowers turned out nice. I was wondering what you were gonna do to patch up your little portaban oops :laughing:

How'd that upper link turn out? You gonna have to rip out a 3x26 hole in the floorboard for clearance? :flipoff2:
You gonna keep those 240lb rate Rancho's up front or you just using them for mock up?

Things to note....your winch cable is in the wrong spot annnnnddd your trac arm....well......bacon. :laughing: :flipoff2:

and here's a rough ride height shot... i'd like it to be about an inch to an inch and a half lower.. but, beggers cant be choosers i guess..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/033.jpg


gunna finish plating the front of the frame tomorrow and get a track bar in the works..

So how high is the frame and how much uptravel do you have?

got some more done today.. not as much as i'd planned, but.. life is such..

got the driver side plated and burnt on..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/070.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/071.jpg

and the passenger side cut out
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/072.jpg

get it bent up and the holes in it and it'll be ready to go on
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/073.jpg


also built a temporary drag link cuz i got tired of the tire shove steering technique.. you can see it there in the last picture

Whats your plan for the coil buckets frameside? You gonna brace that up with tube, reskin it like T&T's fenders, or maybe just cut it all out and run coilovers haha?

if i wasn't a broke ass mother fucker i would run ORI struts lol but coils and shit ass white body shocks will have to do till i graduate.. the coil buckets in the front are staying till i can afford those ORI's.. the rear is no where near done.. i wouldn't even say the rear is in mock up yet... more to come there, but yes more plate and tube for sure...


Fuck yea Nate! Ride height looks bitchn. Lov'n how low you are.

I'd go with line number 2 as well. Just looks better IMHO.

Coil mounts and lowers turned out nice. I was wondering what you were gonna do to patch up your little portaban oops :laughing:

How'd that upper link turn out? You gonna have to rip out a 3x26 hole in the floorboard for clearance? :flipoff2:
You gonna keep those 240lb rate Rancho's up front or you just using them for mock up?

Things to note....your winch cable is in the wrong spot annnnnddd your trac arm....well......bacon. :laughing: :flipoff2:

hahaha thanks brotha.. so lets see.. line number 2 will probably get cut when i get bored tomorrow.. upper link came out great.. i need to redo the axle end though, i raised the LCA's 3" so now im only at about 6" of separation.. it needed to be raised anyways cuz it wasn't quite level with the ground.. as for the floor, lookin good there i think, we'll see when full bump is determined.. i'll run those coils for now, with full intent of swapping them out.. i'd like to get some 2" coils if they even make such a thing..

winch cable got removed cuz it was makin the winch heavy as eff an i was tryin to mock it up behind the bumper in front of the crank.. aaaaaannnnnndd for that track arm...... it broke off today, perfect timing too cuz it was about 5min from being removed anyways for the frame to be plated

So how high is the frame and how much uptravel do you have?

i'll getcha a bunch of tape measure pics tomorrow cuz i dont even know myself...

also, does anyone know what the circled piece is made out of??

iron or steel??

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/whatisthis.jpg

Frame plating looks nice man.


Spark test that bitch. White=Iron. Orange=steel.

Nate, seeing as your jeep will not be complete until Nov, 2015 you can ride in my XJ thisw summer:D Just kiddin man, looks bitchin! But seriously we need to get out this summer canyons?

Frame plating looks nice man.


Spark test that bitch. White=Iron. Orange=steel.

nice! never heard of that.. i was thinkin about cuttin that arm off an weldin in back onto the front of the knuckle an hookin my hydro ram to it.. yeah i'd probably break but it'd be free :flipoff2:

Nate, seeing as your jeep will not be complete until Nov, 2015 you can ride in my XJ thisw summer:D Just kiddin man, looks bitchin! But seriously we need to get out this summer canyons?

this must be Charlie :smokin: how ya doin man.. but yeah im shooting for about 3 to 4 more weeks till i run it up to edison a few times for some trial runs then schwarts is it's second destination :D:D:D

gimme a shout some day..

still have a some working to do in the rear, i think im going to end up frenching the upper coil bucket into the frame.. sits about 3 to 4" high in the rear.. but here's how the truss and lowers came out

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/039-1.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/040-1.jpg



this is the area that will get frenched with the same 6" .250 wall DOM i used for the lower buckets..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/038-1.jpg


on a different note.. something did get done today..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/037-1.jpg

spark test that bitch. White=iron. Orange=steel.

orange = steel
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I dont see any reason you cant go ahead with the frenching. Your obviusly a good enough fabricator to pull it off. But, if your still questioning gimme a day or so to fish threw my coil sheets. There are so many godamn coils used these days there has to be something to make it easier.

Here's my shit with stock XJ fronts in the back for comparison. Andy and Vette (til late) are running the same. Since we are both at a stand still and they are not it could help comparing tire size vs. ride height vs. uptravel. Maybe. :laughing: Figure the height will drop another 1.5" loaded. I stll think its too high but its all experimenting from here out.

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww81/JeepinGuy10/100_2708.jpg

Oh...and you missed that front hole. :flipoff2:

Edit: Mine will be about 4.5"up, 11.5" down.

thats okay.. mine will stop without that hole welded up..

i dunno how well your's will stop missing the rotor AND the caliper... :flipoff2::flipoff2:

Shit stops great! :laughing: (Only off for redo shit...)



Runs awesome too with the fuel lines layin on the ground. :flipoff2:

hahaha didn't notice that...

however i did notice your LCA's are above your axle tube... im planning on doing the same thing here in a couple days but wasn't sure if more separation was required....

im following the tire size X .25 = vertical separation on axle... so im runnin 10" at the moment..

That entire 4 link is diffent from my shitdick 8 hour trial. Lowers where just too long and too low. They were at 50" long and 17" from ground at stand still with 67% =111% AS and 11" seperation. (bald 40's) In about 2 hours Id bent a lower and drug it on what seemed every rock. Granted the short trial time, it was enough to realize something had to change.

As for separtaion, 9 seems fine to me. What are you looking at?

Lowers are now 44", above the axle, AS the same (and adjustable with 4 locations) and 9" sep. The lowers and uppers are damn near parrallel right now, but I'll play with locations again Im sure though and Im still with out sway comtrol as well. The front gets redone too as a lower is fuckered and I seriously fucked the upper with 7" of sep. The mount is in bad shape. I know 8" is general rule of thumb, not sure what I did but it happened. We wont cover that... :laughing:

i dunno about all that shit... but... haha im raisin my shit to get my control arms more flat

got some more plating done, still have a little more to do.. but got rid of one end of my puke track bar mounts..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/059.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/058.jpg


disgusting track bar mount #1
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/057.jpg


still not quite done but i needed to be able to move it around last night before i rolled up shop..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/053.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/052.jpg

should this all flattened out by tonight
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/055.jpg


annnd disgusting track bar mount #2
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/054.jpg

threw the stock springs in and raised it up 2" with the lift an this' where it landed

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/056.jpg

annnd disgusting track bar mount #2
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/054.jpg

This is a joke right? :barf::barf::barf:

This is a joke right? :barf::barf::barf:

duh....

the track bar itself is still temporary but the mounts are done.. the frame mount needs to move back about an inch an a half still..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/111.jpg

you cant really see it, but its about about -5 degrees with a couple more inches till full bump..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/112.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/113.jpg

like i said, a couple more inches to go till full bump.. but here's how it sits with stock XJ 4.0 coils... a set of 2" coils would be perfect..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/114.jpg

headed back out, gunna french those rear coils into the frame

Axle end trac arm mount is titties man! I'd hold off til you mock up steering to burn it home tho...

And fuck'n christ your LOWWWWWWW.....for shits and gigs I measured my front...... :laughing:..........33".

yeah for sure.. fuggin not much is burnt for good on this thing.. the rear 4 link crossmember is IT! all the control arms, tach'd.. front 3 link cross member, tach'd... track bar bullshit, tach'd...

need to get a ram for my full hydro ordered.. the dude is shippin my orbital valve on tuesday.... and so is Duffy with my doubler kit



guess i'll work on my rear coils and tranny mount tomorrow

I know your workin on this bitch Nate, where's the update pics?!?! :flipoff2:

I know your workin on this bitch Nate, where's the update pics?!?! :flipoff2:

JUST got home from cali..

Brown Santa brings gifts from Duffy @ 4x4machine AND some dude out in NY with a cheap orbital valve..

im out playin with my doubler right now, gettin ready to cut the case an weld that plate in :D

goin to school in Colorado, away from my shop back home in Oregon.. This week is my spring break so hopefully we can have a rolling rig by the end of the week..
were at in oregon are you would love to stop by and take a look at this sometime. maybe learn a few things seeing as i dont know any thing..:D as far as fab work goes... Im in corvallis so if your not to far off from here.

were at in oregon are you would love to stop by and take a look at this sometime. maybe learn a few things seeing as i dont know any thing..:D as far as fab work goes... Im in corvallis so if your not to far off from here.

Bend.. bout a 3 hour drive..

Badass build man. . :homer:

Badass build man. . :homer:

:D thank you

Nate, Whats the eta man?

few more weeks man =)

know anyone with a bender they'd let me barrow for a couple days?? i really dont wanna attempt my first cage with a fuggin 40 year old hosfeld

may need your help if your willing

You might be able to borrow Jon's bender for a few days, but I think they are bending up the cage for Josh's Cherokee right now... you guys could have a Cherokee tube bending party :flipoff2:

lol i dont think he likes me much.. im just some kid that doesn't know what the fuck im doing...

Are you going to Notch that pass frame rail to clear the trackbar at bump? Looks like you'll be close on the crank pulley at bump too.

looking good

So whats the deal with your doubler? I know you called D&D and the said it was legit, but did you figure out your assembly woes? Whats the deal?

So whats the deal with your doubler? I know you called D&D and the said it was legit, but did you figure out your assembly woes? Whats the deal?

built to waaayyy loose of tolerances... i loosened up the bolts that bolt the bit adapter plate to the clocking ring and it was tits...

so not its just a game of "where the fuck to i tighten the bolts at.. with the bolts just loose enough to allow that plate to float around, it moves at least .100" total...

EDIT: i'll go out right now an take pictures of all my new shiiiiittttt

EDIT: i'll go out right now an take pictures of all my new shiiiiittttt

And then... :flipoff2:

And dennn....?

so about those pics......... lol

started on the cage today, got a large chunk of that done.. also been workin on lots of other shit, mostly on the rear end.. of which is going to change........ again.. :shaking:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup057.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup055.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup056.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup054.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup049.jpg


rear ride height is slowly getting down to where i want it, still a couple inches proud.. fuel tank, a little more tube, and possibly a back seat atta get it down where i want it..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup051.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup052.jpg



reworked the LCA mounts.. but, it's getting moved tomorrow..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup053.jpg


annnnnd the large box of parts required to finish this mother fucker..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup058.jpg

Nice work Nate. Cage looks awesome. Unique as hell. :smokin:

What coils did you end up goin with?

Nice work Nate. Cage looks awesome. Unique as hell. :smokin:

What coils did you end up goin with?

thanks man.. an them red ones there are those heavy ass mother fuckers... f150/3" xj springs.. deff not using those.. still have the stock coils in the front... for now..

This is my favorite build ever! I'm a little bias being I have an 89 redish 2 door myself. :D

Seriously though REALLY nice work! Keep the pics coming.

This is my favorite build ever! I'm a little bias being I have an 89 redish 2 door myself. :D

Seriously though REALLY nice work! Keep the pics coming.

Thank you.. very much.. workin on the floor tonight.. some pics might come.. depending on if i get anything done

shits tits:grinpimp:

Probably one of my favorite XJ builds on pbb. Keep up the good work

shits tits:grinpimp:

Probably one of my favorite XJ builds on pbb. Keep up the good work

=) thank ya both

started on the floor tonight :D

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup049-1.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup050-1.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup051-1.jpg

thoughs on a plexi-glass/lexan floor please............ would it break?? thinkin like??? 3/32 or 1/8".... friggin thin shit....

jus cuz see through would be bad ass..

PLEXI-GLAS........not so much, but lexan would work.......1/8 would be marginal, 1/4 would be tits. I thought about the same thing on my build but figure after a few trips it would be so scratched i wouldent be able to see thru it anyhow, and it creates static that makes dust cling to it ...............i gave up but would love to see it on a rig



and your heep is:smokin:

PLEXI-GLAS........not so much, but lexan would work.......1/8 would be marginal, 1/4 would be tits. I thought about the same thing on my build but figure after a few trips it would be so scratched i wouldent be able to see thru it anyhow, and it creates static that makes dust cling to it ...............i gave up but would love to see it on a rig



and your heep is:smokin:

I was thinking the same thing. I wanted to do the same thing. It would be real nice to be able to see through the floor. I even thought what the hell just cut small holes but the first mud puddle might ruin your day.

It IS nice being able to see through the floor.

I've had this in place for a few years now:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v217/53/103/24800499/n24800499_32017080_2459.jpg

Works fine.

It IS nice being able to see through the floor.

I've had this in place for a few years now:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v217/53/103/24800499/n24800499_32017080_2459.jpg

Works fine.

Yeah buddy! You may have just inspired me to do the same. Maybe even rig up a cover with some quick discos for those wet days.

next step is to get the t case and front driveshaft in so i can build a floor around it.. so.. started back on that project..

went to the wrecking yard seeking a 23 spline 231 planetary.. and my local U-Pull it yard contained 1 XJ.. packin a 242..

sooo.. called GW, did some searchin for me.. found that a 231 is the same case but supposedly packed a 6 gear planetary, like such found in a 241, and they're found in later model dakota's and durango's.. got this case from an '89 Dakota with the V6 and an automatic trans, annndd god loves me enough to kindly remove it and neatly place it underneath a chunk of carpet in bed..

brought it home, split the case, and shoved it on the back of the trans to check fitup.. splines matched up, bolt pattern matched up but wouldn't push all the way on.. after fuckin around with that for about 20min.. found the tailshaft of the tranny didn't have enough splines on it to couple up.. figured because the tcase is an '89 and the tranny is '91 and newer ('91 and newer AW4's have longer tailshafts) SOOO! pulled the planetary out of the 231 D to find it only had 3 gears but we'll get to that later..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup002.jpg


chucked it up in the lathe and very precisely removed 3/4"..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup001.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup006.jpg

after we got it to fit all nice an tight like.. removed the 3 gears from the 231 J planetary and installed them in the 231 D..

each gear had bout 50 needle bearings that fall out an go everywhere but on the bench when you pull um out, so some grease held everything in place while we drove the pins into the 231 D..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup003.jpg

nice an easy, keepin everything in place with a small screwdriver, take your time here.. three steel washers and two plastic thrust washers are fragile, i broke a few..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup004.jpg

wa-la.. 6 gear 231 planetary.. for freee..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup007.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/tater2buildup008.jpg

got the dana 300 somewhat put back together... input and rear output are in... gunna finish that up in the morning then take the 231 case to an old friend with a TIG welder..

should have some fuggin cases in this bitch by tomorrow night.. maybe even a driveshaft.. :smokin:

Fuck yea Nate! Im glad that worked out for ya!

COPY PASTE FROM THE NON-HARDCORE SECTION:

alright.. so, buildin a buggy out of a '91 XJ with your everyday 4.0 with an assload of miles and an AW4 behind that.. fairly factory wiring with the exception of a relocated battery..

here's whats going on.. absolutely nothing..

i've got power EVERYWHERE, but on the motor.. no bad fuses.. all the relays work..

i plugged my scanner into it trying to run system tests.. first test was fuel pump.. the ECM isn't communicating with the rest of the vehicle but i have no power at the coil with the key on.. the fuel pump doesn't prime when you first turn the key on.. and my scanned isn't communicating with it..

so i took my '91 ECM.. plugged it into my '93 with the all the same shit, 4.0L auto all the same shit.. it would fire than immediately shut off.. probably because '91 is a bastard year as far as ALL the sensors are concerned.. but thats not the point.. the '91 ECM ran my '93 for a few seconds..

so that rules out a bad ECM.. as far as i know everything is plugged in.. so what the fuck

Crank/Cam position sensor. When mine went bad they stopped spark and the fuel pump, but I could crank the starter.

not the crank sensor...

i cant even manually turn anything on with my scanner..

ECM no talky to the jeep... but it talks to other one.. and everything is plugged in and no bad fuses..

Oh I forgot it also wasn't throwing any codes or anything when this was happening, and I feel like my gauges were actin funky too, but I can't remember

I SEE THE PROBLEM........

the fuel tank is on the floor next to the jeep.:flipoff2:








is it running yet?

I SEE THE PROBLEM........

the fuel tank is on the floor next to the jeep.:flipoff2:








is it running yet?

fuel tank is mounted, plumed, and wired just dont have any pics up yet..

not running yet.. im gunna try replacing the CPS but im like 95% sure thats no it.. i think i've got some corroded/burnt wires somewhere in the engine harness.. but before i tear into it, CPS is gettin replaced..

replaced the CPS for shits an giggles.. didn't fix the problem.. ECM still isn't communicating..

Good shit man. This thing looks great! Sucks about the CPS

replaced the CPS for shits an giggles.. didn't fix the problem.. ECM still isn't communicating..

This may be stupid, but have you checked your grounds? 90% of the electrical problems I run into at work are just bad grounds.

Also, is it possible the PCM you have has the security feature? Without the soleniod and whatever else it won't let the vehicle run.

This may be stupid, but have you checked your grounds? 90% of the electrical problems I run into at work are just bad grounds.

Also, is it possible the PCM you have has the security feature? Without the soleniod and whatever else it won't let the vehicle run.

i think it might.. i saw something like that come up on the scanner.. but thats what im going through right now.. wiring scamatics out the yingyang.. checking grounds..

more pics of your panhard mounts, frame and axel pretty please, i am also putting a gm 60 in my xj, and your work is sick, love the cage work, wish mine was a 2 door.:smokin:

[QUOTE=ONEtonXJ;11615153]next step is to get the t case and front driveshaft in so i can build a floor around it.. so.. started back on that project..

went to the wrecking yard seeking a 23 spline 231 planetary.. and my local U-Pull it yard contained 1 XJ.. packin a 242..

sooo.. called GW, did some searchin for me.. found that a 231 is the same case but supposedly packed a 6 gear planetary, like such found in a 241, and they're found in later model dakota's and durango's.. got this case from an '89 Dakota with the V6 and an automatic trans, annndd god loves me enough to kindly remove it and neatly place it underneath a chunk of carpet in bed..

brought it home, split the case, and shoved it on the back of the trans to check fitup.. splines matched up, bolt pattern matched up but wouldn't push all the way on.. after fuckin around with that for about 20min.. found the tailshaft of the tranny didn't have enough splines on it to couple up.. figured because the tcase is an '89 and the tranny is '91 and newer ('91 and newer AW4's have longer tailshafts) SOOO! pulled the planetary out of the 231 D to find it only had 3 gears but we'll get to that later..

are you saying the 242 has a 6 gear planetary, i got a little lost:homer:

badass xj dude

more pics of your panhard mounts, frame and axel pretty please, i am also putting a gm 60 in my xj, and your work is sick, love the cage work, wish mine was a 2 door.:smokin:

i'll try my best.. been workin between 60 and 80 hours a week the last few weeks, so its like MONEY!!!! no time.... lol but i'll try an get out there soon an hook ya up with some pics..

are you saying the 242 has a 6 gear planetary, i got a little lost:homer:

no, the 231D supposedly has 6 gears.. the one i got didn't have all 6, only 3, but had the holes to add the missing 3..

so i took the three from the 21 spline 231 carrier........ out.. and put them IN the 231D carrier..


badass xj dude
:D thank you

thanks alot, this is one bad ass xj, prolly my new fav.

forgot to post this one..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/Photo0397.jpg

no updates till december..

but i've been thinking about how i'm gunna run my brake lines, i want to run hard lines down the UCA's with short flexible rubber or braided stainless lines at the rod ends.

anyone done this with any problems?

I've seen it on a couple builds here. Check out Fawk Awph's build in the yota section. I think he did that on his rear wishbone. And the Polar Bear build here in the cherokee section. He ran them down his radius arms on his zj I'm pretty sure.

no updates till december..

but i've been thinking about how i'm gunna run my brake lines, i want to run hard lines down the UCA's with short flexible rubber or braided stainless lines at the rod ends.

anyone done this with any problems?

spidr in the wrangler section did it on his "bitch" build as well
looks real good

spidr in the wrangler section did it on his "bitch" build as well
looks real good

Yup. Wouldn't have it any other way. 10 hoses total on the rig, and only 1 spare needed, and nothing to snag anywhere.

Yup. Wouldn't have it any other way. 10 hoses total on the rig, and only 1 spare needed, and nothing to snag anywhere.

i checked out your bitch build.. clean shit.. and im sold on the UCA brake lines.. i wanna do it in the front too though..

I did mine in the front too, but they had to go on the lower link. I'm in the midst of plumbing the ARBs with stainless, and the brethers, and they'll run up the opposite upper links.

I did mine in the front too, but they had to go on the lower link. I'm in the midst of plumbing the ARBs with stainless, and the brethers, and they'll run up the opposite upper links.

that'd be way easier, think they'll be safe?? i plan on running an ARB in the front too someday but was thinking i could compile both brake lines and the air line on the one upper control arm.... whata you think??

FROM HIS "BITCH" BUILD THREAD
http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww241/Karnage-fab/yj/DSCF2454.jpg
http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww241/Karnage-fab/yj/DSCF2455.jpg



did you only run one line from the master cylinder for the front?

My front line runs down the upper link and splits on the axle. Is that something odd? Just moving the T-block elsewhere in the fluid path...

Fuck it, here's my 'budget brakes' post that I made a while ago. Copied n pasted:


1) Split the rear lines at the rear crossmember and run them down the top of the lower links. Use a 1985 Plymouth Reliant K rear brake hose (http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=UBP38064_0073725319&An=599001+101985+50056+2056016) for the soft lines (8.25" of rubber hose, standard 3/8" flare at each end, less than $10 each). Use one per side from the crossmember to the links, hardline down the top of the links, and then a 1985 Chevy Chevette front brake hose (http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=UBP36832_0073551603&An=599001+101985+50012+2012026#) from the hardline to the calipers ($15.95, 15" long). Nothing mounted to the axle, and the rear is done for less than $60 with easily serviceable parts that are common at any parts store in the country. Less if the rear lines you've got already will work this way.

(I forget if you're running cutting brakes or not, but running the plumbing this way makes them an easy addition if you don't have them already)

2) Use the same Reliant K hose from a hardline to the upper link in the front, small length of hardline on the link, a 1982 Dodge W250 center front brake hose (http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=UBP38090_0182903304&An=599001+101982+50022+2022043#) from the hardline down to the axle ($20 and solves the flex line and axle T in one shot). Hardlines from the T out towards each caliper, then use the softlines of your choice (mine are from the same truck, $18 each). Again, readily-available parts and you're into the front axle for less than $80.

3) I bought one 25' foot coil to do my whole XJ, have re-done some lines since then, and still have a bunch left.

4) Going through RockAuto instead of Napa to do the layout as above, the Reliant K hoses are $5 each, the front center Dodge hose is $13, left and right caliper lines are $10. So that bumps the price down to ~$50 for the rear and ~$60 for the front.

I haven't had any problems with this arrangement in two and a half years, but it's nice to know that if I ever do have an issue, it's easily solved with standard auto store parts instead of some specialty fittings. :)

thanks vett..

wouldn't happen to have a link to where you copied that from would ya?

that'd be way easier, think they'll be safe?? i plan on running an ARB in the front too someday but was thinking i could compile both brake lines and the air line on the one upper control arm.... whata you think??

As long as it's on top of the link, I'd say it would be fine. Personally I believe that a dangling hose is more susceptable to damage than mine are.

did you only run one line from the master cylinder for the front?

Yup. Ford and Dodge did it on there front diffs for many years. 1 hose off the crossmember in the middle to a T. And guys run a single line to their rear breaks when they do a disc brake swap, so how would it be any differant....IMO of course.

Keep your jamnuts tight :D

thanks vett..

wouldn't happen to have a link to where you copied that from would ya?

I posted it originally in this build thread:

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=956040

but I've mentioned that stuff a bunch of times all over. At this point I've got another year of racing and trail riding on everything and it's still all doing fine...so nearly 4 years.

Yup. Ford and Dodge did it on there front diffs for many years. 1 hose off the crossmember in the middle to a T. And guys run a single line to their rear breaks when they do a disc brake swap, so how would it be any differant....IMO of course.

right on man, thanks for all the help.. im gunna do the front how you did and the rear how vette did his cuz i plan on cutting brakes soon..

Keep your jamnuts tight :D

lol yeah no shit..

right on man, thanks for all the help.. im gunna do the front how you did and the rear how vette did his cuz i plan on cutting brakes soon..
..

I have those too.;) There's dual lines on my upper link, and I bolted in the handles last night.

Sick build man.

I'd say he welded nuts onto the backside of his stiffeners when he put them in. Thats what i did on mine and it worked out pretty well.

I'd say he welded nuts onto the backside of his stiffeners when he put them in. Thats what i did on mine and it worked out pretty well.

been wondering that for a while now after looking at xjcrawler736s thread for a while, i guess im not very creative:homer:


sweet xj nate

this makes me wanna shit can my leafs even sooner so i can join the "cool kids" with their coils:laughing:

hotrod434 is right...

you can kind of see it here..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/j1.png
the crossmember is 1/2" which bolts through another piece of 1/2" that is welded to the frame plating.. through the unibody.. and into another piece of drilled and tapped 1/2" that i dropped inside of the unirails through these holes pictured below...
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/j2.png

so basically..... it is sandwiched between A LOT of shit, with A LOT of bolts..

EDIT: and i did the same thing for the rear crossmember.. i used the holes in the floor i cut for the front crossmember.. and also, i kept the piece that i cut out of the floor so they can be welded back in later..

that, and that drilled and tapped piece is like? 14" long where the crossmember is only 10".. so it spreads the load way more than just nuts would..

Rad build dude ................wish my xj was this bad ass...........:smokin::smokin:

sounds like a smart idea to me.
i saw someone on another build weld some bungs into the frame rails to hold bolts but that didnt seem like itd last too long. and with my luck theyd break off and fall inside the frame rail and roll around like a fucking marble and irritate me:laughing:

that.. and think about surface area the load is being spread over... with nuts, it isn't much.. with a tapped flat bar you can spread the load WAY WAY WAY more.. which is pretty important considering the structure of an XJ is 18g..

I cruised through all the posts and never seen it, i may have looked over it though, what size joints and dom did you use?

Ballistic Fabrication's Forged Chromoly 2.63 Ballistic Joint
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/joint.jpg
1.25" shank x 5/8" bolt hole for the lowers
7/8" shank x 5/8" bolt hole for the uppers



http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Forged-Chromoly-263-Ballistic-Joint_p_1636.html (http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Forged-Chromoly-263-Ballistic-Joint_p_1636.html)

im sure both will work fine but billet will obviously be better.

made a list of everything i need to finish this bitch, and well........ i thought i was almost done....

floor
seat mounts
shifters
belts
interior B pillar
mount orbital, steering ram, and cooler for full hydro
brakes
driveshafts
tranny mount
lincoln lock front and reaf diffs
tail lights
battery tray
front bumper and winch
paint cage and all suspension
bead locks and rim stiffeners
redo rear 4 link geometry
mount shocks front and rear
make engine run
air intake
exhaust
front inner fenders
on board air
mount fuel tank
bump stops
fill trans, cases, and diffs (fluids)
trim door bottoms and make removable
skid plate
boat sides
rear inner fenders
fuel lines
and a shit load of welding...

I like your build, I found it from your first frame build posted on Jeepforums. I am also doing a similar build - replacing the unibody with a frame - but I'm trying to do it so it looks completely stock in the end. I was just wondering what type of welder you used to do the welding?

I like your build, I found it from your first frame build posted on Jeepforums. I am also doing a similar build - replacing the unibody with a frame - but I'm trying to do it so it looks completely stock in the end. I was just wondering what type of welder you used to do the welding?

good luck with that man.. lol i finally decided to fuck it and rep the unibody.. its lighter anyways.. and i using a millermatic 250 with 75/25 argon/CO2 mixed shield gas but im gunna switch to a 100% CO2 shield cuz its way cheaper with no visible difference..

EDIT: and i'd suggest staying here and giving jeepforum the finger.. yeah everyone there is really nice and all.. but they dont know fuckin dick about anything.. all they do is subscribe to everything and tell you about it.. i've learned everything i know from this forum, as far as jeeps go..

lol! I have no forum loyalty except to my local Jeep chapter. I love pirate but its so huge; its easy to get lost haha.

Sooo what kinda hi steer arms you want??

Throw a pic up here for me for example, tell me what your want and what material and Ill see what I can do.

PM me your shipping addy for your Dick Shifters whore...:flipoff2:

EDIT: and i'd suggest staying here and giving jeepforum the finger.. yeah everyone there is really nice and all.. but they dont know fuckin dick about anything.. all they do is subscribe to everything and tell you about it.. i've learned everything i know from this forum, as far as jeeps go..

the pbb is the best source for tech and drama:smokin:
cherokeetech.com seems to be less gay than jeepforum also

Sooo what kinda hi steer arms you want??

Throw a pic up here for me for example, tell me what your want and what material and Ill see what I can do.

PM me your shipping addy for your Dick Shifters whore...:flipoff2:

I wanna put the cylinder behind the axle so i think somethin like this would be tits.. but im not 100% sure because of the wheels im using.... they might have to have some sort of a boomerang shape..

something like these would be tits.. possibly..
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Parts-Mike-Dana-60-Rear-Steer-Springles-Arm-Kit-p-19028.html
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/highsteerarms.jpg

If you boomerang your steering arms your going to have to watch the change in ackerman!

You need to get your ass in gear on this thing haha :D

I wanna put the cylinder behind the axle so i think somethin like this would be tits.. but im not 100% sure because of the wheels im using.... they might have to have some sort of a boomerang shape..

something like these would be tits.. possibly..
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Parts-Mike-Dana-60-Rear-Steer-Springles-Arm-Kit-p-19028.html
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/highsteerarms.jpg

Can you get me any specs? Steel or aluminum?

whatever you can do... i dont care.. aluminum would be pimpin but steel is fine too...

If you boomerang your steering arms your going to have to watch the change in ackerman!

You need to get your ass in gear on this thing haha :D

i entirely agree man haha

it's tough though being 1000 miles away from it while at college.. the jeep is in bend, oregon and i'ml in grand junction, colorado..

its come a long ways considering how many man hours have actually gone into it.. i busted ass on it spring break and over summer vacation and that's it really.. so?? about 2 months total..

Oh yeah I forgot that little fact hahaha. Well then you need to find time to get your ass back out there! I like doing a huge amount of work in bursts, seems like the best way to keep motivation on a project. Even if it's not 1000 miles away lol!

whatever you can do... i dont care.. aluminum would be pimpin but steel is fine too...

Aluminum would be no problem at all. Thats all I work with. You thinking like 1''? 1.25"?

Ill see what I can do...and get you a quote.

Oh yeah I forgot that little fact hahaha. Well then you need to find time to get your ass back out there! !

yeah, this semester ends dec 14.. so i'll be back out there a couple days after that bangin shit out

Aluminum would be no problem at all. Thats all I work with. You thinking like 1''? 1.25"?

Ill see what I can do...and get you a quote.

1" would probably be fine unless someone disagrees.. lol i dont give a fuck really.. whatever's easiest for you..

You gotta any wood laying around? Can you mock up some arms and check clearances for me?

I realize you have a kingpin and I a BJ, but I toyed with the thought of steering behind the diff....

NOOO FUGGING WAY does that shit fit. Not even close. And im lead to beleive it wont be much diffrent for you.

i just want the ram behind the axle.. the tie rod will still be out front..

Any idea how many feet of tube you have in your cage?

Any idea how many feet of tube you have in your cage?

around 80' right now.. but it's only about half done...

You gotta any wood laying around? Can you mock up some arms and check clearances for me?

been doin some lookin around at other people's shit.. looks like if you're runnin DRW hubs with H1 wheels, you can run any highsteer arm without a problem..

it becomes a problem when you have a SRW 60 with H1 wheels... then shit don't fit..


so im good =) i'll see if i cant get my brother to write you a program..

Hey it's Kyle, from Thanksgiving at Porter's. I was sitting here wasting my day away on Pirate and thought, "I wonder if he's got a build thread...".

Bam, first page right at the top. Looks good man, can't wait to see it out here in GJ. I dig your ideas and you definitely do some great fab. It's almost Christmas break, hang in there.

Hey it's Kyle, from Thanksgiving at Porter's. I was sitting here wasting my day away on Pirate and thought, "I wonder if he's got a build thread...".

Bam, first page right at the top. Looks good man, can't wait to see it out here in GJ. I dig your ideas and you definitely do some great fab. It's almost Christmas break, hang in there.

Nice man! and thank you.. we'll have to get it broke in once i get it out here..

alright lets finish this fuckin thing...

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/map.png

Hey Nate that's going to be an interesting drive from Winnamucca to Lakeveiw
Were supposed to get dumped on friday.

Hey Nate that's going to be an interesting drive from Winnamucca to Lakeveiw
Were supposed to get dumped on friday.

fuck.. i'll go through boise then.....

Fawking right. Glad to see this thing gettin some love again soon! The ZJ I'm building is gunna be all done and driving soon enough, how long are you expecting for this thing once you can put your mind to it?

Fawking right. Glad to see this thing gettin some love again soon! The ZJ I'm building is gunna be all done and driving soon enough, how long are you expecting for this thing once you can put your mind to it?

haha thanks man.. well this trip home is pretty much do or die... my parents got a divorce so me and my dad are loosing our shop as soon as the house sells..

sooo... im gunna be pullin 36 hour shifts nonstop then break for a nap then i'll be right back at it.. hoping to have it moving around on its own power by christmas which means getting the fuel tank plumbed, get the ECU issue figured out, fluids, driveshafts, and brakes....

then im gunna try and have the floor done, seats mounted, and have a good start on the shifters by new years...

imma be busy.......

well got the tranny mount done and the front drive shaft done.. pics later...

Nice nice man! I was thinking about your engine problem...what are the chances you could have an issue with the ignition/ignition wiring? Maybe the ECM isn't communicating with the vehicle because the issue is upstream?

Nice nice man! I was thinking about your engine problem...what are the chances you could have an issue with the ignition/ignition wiring? Maybe the ECM isn't communicating with the vehicle because the issue is upstream?

bro i have no fucking idea.. completely stumped at this point....

i just put an ECM that i KNOW works on it and i've still got the same problem...
-fuel pump wont prime when you first turn the key on, but i can manually turn in on with the relay..
-no voltage at the coil.. it's actually is showing ground (-) on both sides
-brand new crank sensor
-the wiring harness doesn't seem fucked with or melted in anyway
-i appear to have all my grounds grounded


one thing's for sure, this is the last fucking '91 XJ i'll ever own....

Haha damn. When you turn the key does ANYthing happen or is it completely dead? could the lock cylinder be dead?

Haha damn. When you turn the key does ANYthing happen or is it completely dead? could the lock cylinder be dead?

no it cranks over fine....

Ahh didn't know that!

Hmmm I say start poking around your wiring schematics, find the power wires in the ECM plug, disconnect it and make sure the ECM is getting power when you turn the key. If not, check continuity of those power wires.

*EDIT* If the ECM is getting power, I could only think that it would be sensor related.

*Edit again* What about the camshaft position sensor? It can cause the same syptoms as the crank position sensor IIRC. I did both when I had my issue

my friend had almost the exact same symptoms on a 94 xj and it ended up being the distributor we threw in a junk yard pull and it lit right up

my friend had almost the exact same symptoms on a 94 xj and it ended up being the distributor we threw in a junk yard pull and it lit right up

thats what im thinking it is... there's a '91 XJ in the U-pull-it yard, im gunna hit that up tomorrow morning and get the coil and the distributor and some other misc shiz

there's a SHIT LOAD of very helpful tests on identifix.com but you have to pay to use it....

finally gettin around to postin some pics of what i've been up to the last couple days...

first, had to cut this mount off and move it to the left about 2inches so i could center the tailshaft and get a shifter cable on the 231
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/185.jpg

which lead to this..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/186.jpg

which then lead to this.....
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/182.jpg

the suspension wasn't working quite right, so i cut the lower control arm mounts off and made new ones... i shortened up and dropped the lower control arms about an inch both ways..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/184.jpg

then i got started on this..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/173.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/177.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/178.jpg

bed time......

EDIT: oh and i got the orbital valve mount built and forgot to take a picture of it....

:laughing: You went to bed 2 hours before I woke up.

:( Maybe some day I can work on my junk again.

You said that the wire that's supposed to supply power to the PCM is showing continuity to ground? How many ohms? I know the harness may look ok but there has to be an issue with that wire if it's grounded. Have you separated and checked all the connectors to make sure there's no corrosion? Do the gauges work? What about the CEL, does it turn on? If you plug the PCM into the 93 you mentioned before, could it communicate at all? I went through this on my 93 ZJ and it was a nightmare.


Oh and your Jeep's queer.:flipoff2:

fired the jeep last night... the #3 pin terminal inside the ECU plug, which is the main power wire for the ECU, was corroded to the point it wasn't making contact with the pin on the ECU.... took the plug apart and replaced that one wire and terminal, and it fired..


ran like shit cuz the timing was off.. got that set straight, now all is well..

needs exhaust now..



i also got the hole in the fuel tank the wrecking yard put in it so they could remove all the fuel.. patched that, and also moved the filler and breather necks to the top of the tank and patched their original holes..

Good news man glad to heard it! Weight off your shoulders so you can just focus on the fab. NOW GET TO IT! Ahh haha I kid I kid

been workin on gettin the exhast done the last couple days... finally buttoned it up tonight.. some other stuff got started or finished in the mean time too.. i redid the rear suspension bracketry on the axle... now the pinion points at the tcase output at all times and i dont have a 3% antisquat..

i also started the floor but didn't get far, started the driver side boat side so i could get exhaust in, and also started the driver side inner fender so i could finish the exhaust..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/008-6.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/009-6.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/006-8.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/005-8.jpg

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http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/002-10.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/020-3.jpg



thats it for the exhaust.. i'll try and get a video on here so you guys can hear it i guess... here's some more pics..

rear axle
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/011-4.jpg


floor.......ish
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/016-6.jpg

sweet sight tube thingy......
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/012-4.jpg


the $20 wiring harness i bought
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/019-3.jpg


for this one single 6" long wire.......
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/018-5.jpg


that's all... Merry Christmas

well lets check some shit off this list.... red means done

floor
seat mounts
shifters
belts
interior B pillar
mount orbital, steering ram, and cooler for full hydro
brakes
driveshafts (front/rear)
tranny mount
lincoln lock front and reaf diffs
tail lights
battery tray
front bumper and winch
paint cage and all suspension
bead locks and rim stiffeners
redo rear 4 link geometry
mount shocks front and rear
make engine run
air intake
exhaust
front inner fenders (left/right)
on board air
mount fuel tank
bump stops
fill trans, cases, and diffs (fluids)
trim door bottoms and make removable
skid plate
boat sides (left/right) only the le gets to be red cuz the left one needs to be skinned and it'll be done
rear inner fenders (left/right)same with this.. need to finish the top
fuel lines
and a shit load of welding...

Thats exhaust is fuggin sick Nate! Nice work man!

Thats exhaust is fuggin sick Nate! Nice work man!

thanks man..

i wish i could run it longer so i could listen to it.... i started it and rev'd it up twice and shut it down.. no water, minimal tranny fluid, and no power steering fluid.... not trying to make more work for myself...

Thats exhaust is fuggin sick Nate! Nice work man!

Yeah, x2 on the exhaust. Hell of a job, looks killer. I got tired of screwing with my tail pipe and welded it solid too. I was surprised, the noise and vibrations wasn't at all as bad as I expected. Flex couplers do their job well.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/005-8.jpg


http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1237576337_daffy-jerking.gif

Sending the exhaust through the frame rail like that is very cool. Never seen someone do that before with an XJ.

Sending the exhaust through the frame rail like that is very cool. Never seen someone do that before with an XJ.

thank you, and neither have i.. it was easy as fuck, the hardest part was getting that 3.5" skeg 40 through the frame with the holes in the right spot.. there were some big ass gaps i had to fill but it came out alright i think...

after i got it though the frame it was smooth sailin.. WAY easier than trying to snake it passed all my suspension and shit...

the shocks will be inside that inner fender for those who have thought ahead that far...

Just wondering.. what are your plans to protect the tank?


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Just wondering.. what are your plans to protect the tank?

a .250 plate skid that bolts on to the frame

got the steering done minus the cooler.. here's a few pics i took before it was completely done..

got this all welded on.. updated pics to come..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/082.jpg


making bungs for the new tierod
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/080.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/081.jpg


then got the orbital mount burnt on..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/083.jpg


had to improvise on the splined shaft... made this one from 7/16" hex shaft and a die grinder with a 3" cut off wheel..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/086.jpg


i used the stock pressure line, i cut the end off and put the style fittings i am using.. came out pretty clean..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/085.jpg


the return line will change soon... im adding a fatty cooler as soon as i get some more fittings and line..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/084.jpg


this also doesn't look like this anymore, the left and right lines in this pic were temporary for mock up..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/083.jpg


more pics tomorrow ish....

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/002-10.jpg

all this sick fab work and you mount your calipers in the worst configuration ever :flipoff2: haha na sweet fab man! Are you concerned at all about the subframe where you pushed the exhaust thru?

Nice skills with the mig. Have you thought about motor mounts? Nice thing about keeping the stock bushings is you sure as hell wont yank the bolts from the block brackets. That's what usually happens when guys upgrades the bushing mounts. The block brackets become a problem and need more reinforcements. I'm building some from OE lower control arm bushings and adding beef to the OE block brackets.
What's your front pinion angle?. Looks like around 17*

Nice work so far. I really hope your not going to use the stock res and pump for the steering.

Rubber motor mounts are about the worst thing you can do on an XJ wheeling rig.

Second maybe to keeping the stock plastic reservoir on the steering.

Those are both temporary, right? :flipoff2:

all this sick fab work and you mount your calipers in the worst configuration ever :flipoff2: haha na sweet fab man! Are you concerned at all about the subframe where you pushed the exhaust thru?

yeah, the calipers aren't welded on yet.. they spin 360* around the axle right now.. and no im not worried about the frame at all... had i just blasted a hole through it and poked the head pipe through then yeah, but its plated on both sides with .120 plate and sleeved with 3.5"x.250 wall DOM so it should be just fine..


Nice skills with the mig. Have you thought about motor mounts? Nice thing about keeping the stock bushings is you sure as hell wont yank the bolts from the block brackets. That's what usually happens when guys upgrades the bushing mounts. The block brackets become a problem and need more reinforcements. I'm building some from OE lower control arm bushings and adding beef to the OE block brackets.
What's your front pinion angle?. Looks like around 17*

thank you, and yeah i'll do something different soon.. i had a set made up that were basically solid (i used LCA bushings too) but they were too solid for where i was in the build so i got some more flexible (stock) mounts that would hold me over until i got my t-case put where i wanted it...

not sure what my pinion angle is yet.. the front suspension isn't completely dialed...


Nice work so far. I really hope your not going to use the stock res and pump for the steering.

im going to for now... it'll get it on the trail.. i've got a fatty fuckin cooler that's gunna go on the return line.. hopefully that'll be enough to keep things from burnin up that pump until i can spend some money on a PSC one or somethin..


Rubber motor mounts are about the worst thing you can do on an XJ wheeling rig.

Second maybe to keeping the stock plastic reservoir on the steering.

Those are both temporary, right? :flipoff2:

i'll wheel with them, with the intent of changing in the future... so in a way yes, temporary..






headed out to take pics right now...

got a shit load done today considering how many hours i actually worked on it... we got absolutely shit on last night and today so i spent the morning moving snow..

but i went to the wrecking yard to get inner fenders so i'd have all the shit to latch the hood and mount the radiator crossmember.. so got those and proceeded to cut about 80% of them off.. came out with this..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/001-9.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/008-7.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/006-9.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/005-9.jpg


here's the updated steering pics...
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/014-4.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/013-4.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/010-6.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/009-7.jpg


and the cooler i'll be putting on the steering system... (that's where it will be located... obviously more permanent, i just set it there for size comparison..)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/011-5.jpg

also got the spring perches/bump stop pads on
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/015-5.jpg


looks all put back together now :D
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/cherokeedude93/016-7.jpg




tomorrow is dedicated to getting the trailer painted wired lighted and decked.... pics to follow....

Nice work! i really like the exhaust idea.

amazing work!! i picked up an 89 2-door and ill def be 'borrowing' some of your ideas.

keep it up :smokin:

Few things...
First, nice purple zip ties. :flipoff2:
Second, how much up travel do you have? Panhard looks like it has about 2" before it hits the oil pan.
Third, will you be upgrading your diff cover? And if so, will the ram clear it?

All looks great...carry on.

Few things...
First, nice purple zip ties. :flipoff2:
Second, how much up travel do you have? Panhard looks like it has about 2" before it hits the oil pan.
Third, will you be upgrading your diff cover? And if so, will the ram clear it?

All looks great...carry on.

Fab work's lookin GREAT man, but I have the same worries about uptravel.

It looks like that frame side track bar mount might get busy with your new ram mount during uptravel, or when you stuff that drivers side tire!

Few things...
First, nice purple zip ties. :flipoff2:
Second, how much up travel do you have? Panhard looks like it has about 2" before it hits the oil pan.
Third, will you be upgrading your diff cover? And if so, will the ram clear it?

All looks great...carry on.

lol the zip ties are temp for sure haha.. and im shootin for like??? 4-5" up and whatever is left down.....

and yes, i will be upgrading the diff cover.. with a few pieces of flat bar, and yes the ram will clear :D

i also picked up some of those bump stops from the wrecking yard... i got like 5 of them cuz they were free.. those one's that the 94 grand voyager or whatever had..... yeah.. picked some of those up so we'll be fuckin with that soon too....

those f150/3" lift XJ/240lb pieces of shit got tossed in the front and they're a SHIT LOAD softer than i thought they'd be.... the stock XJ springs were get squashed out too much and were diminishing my ride height.. they front end of that thing must weight a ton... fuck...


Fab work's lookin GREAT man, but I have the same worries about uptravel.

It looks like that frame side track bar mount might get busy with your new ram mount during uptravel, or when you stuff that drivers side tire!


the ram mount will clear fine.. the tire starts gettin into shit at full lock passenger, full stuff driver... so we'll see..

Nate are your a crack whore? :laughing: Damn man I realize last night was New Years but wow you pull some hours. I crashed at 10 last night in hopes for a good weekand outside. Then this mornings forcast revealed a staggering -23 today w/windchill. I envy the shit out of your garage! :flipoff2:

Tinker with those bumps a bit. If you've got 5 perhaps explore the idea of an internal bump. Like Daystar. I thought about cutting up the bumps into pucks, and inserting them in tube then capping it with a a thread retainer and a guid rod with another chunk at the bottom for the intial bump. Which would be moreless an exact replica of daystar. Then I was intending to experiment with drilling one large hole or a serious of small hole to get the bump rate 'per see' right. Make sense?

Ohhh and......your oil pan is missing a bolt. :flipoff2:

Really awsome XJ you got going on there. Awsome fab work! Im actually learning something here.

Nate are your a crack whore? :laughing: Damn man I realize last night was New Years but wow you pull some hours. I crashed at 10 last night in hopes for a good weekand outside. Then this mornings forcast revealed a staggering -23 today w/windchill. I envy the shit out of your garage! :flipoff2:

Tinker with those bumps a bit. If you've got 5 perhaps explore the idea of an internal bump. Like Daystar. I thought about cutting up the bumps into pucks, and inserting them in tube then capping it with a a thread retainer and a guid rod with another chunk at the bottom for the intial bump. Which would be moreless an exact replica of daystar. Then I was intending to experiment with drilling one large hole or a serious of small hole to get the bump rate 'per see' right. Make sense?

Ohhh and......your oil pan is missing a bolt. :flipoff2:

i haven't even been out there much... i usually get out there between 9 and noon and work till around midnight...

we're having a temperature inversion right now.. it's suppose to last like 10 days... the high a few days ago was 7.. haha fuck..

and i'll take a look at Daystar's bumps.. but i dunno.. at this point its just fuck it, make it work.. so i think im gunna replicate XJ front bumps in the rear so it will also work as a coil retainer.. then i'll do the same thing in the front but i need to extend them down a little bit cuz i didn't wanna have my coil towers be a mile long.. im just going to unscrew the stock bump and sleeve it with something, rosette the shit out of it and find a way to attach those staged bumps i got to it... we'll see.. gotta get shocks on there first.. and brakes... and a rear driveshaft... and seats... and belts.... and more cage.... fuck my dick.. i gotta get to work..

oh and my 1/4" Mac Tools air ratchet ate that oil pan bolt for a snack....

finished the trailer last night... got some shit to do on the pickup now... here's some pics



http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv58/DC4W-93XJ/011-7.jpg
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http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv58/DC4W-93XJ/th_056.jpg (http://s669.photobucket.com/albums/vv58/DC4W-93XJ/?action=view&current=056.mp4)<<<<< movie... lol
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv58/DC4W-93XJ/064.jpg
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv58/DC4W-93XJ/074.jpg
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv58/DC4W-93XJ/067.jpg
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv58/DC4W-93XJ/069.jpg

Plan to load the Cherokee backwards? Where are the tie down hooks?

Plan to load the Cherokee backwards? Where are the tie down hooks?

why would i load it backwards??? 75% of the weight is in the front.... and the channel iron will be tie down points

The only issue I see with that exhaust is that it's going to be torquing the shit out of that flexible coupling, being so far away from the centerline of rotation. Especially with rubber motor mounts. I wouldn't be surprised if it rubs on the frame pass-through, for that matter.

To avoid excessive tongue weight. I noticed your axles were mounted farther back on the trailer, almost looked like you could park the front tires on the fenders

too broke to buy a JD2 and my buddy that helped me with what's already done moved away.. so i modified my Hosfeld bender and a die that i bought off ebay for like $85 bucks..

here's some shitty ass cell phone pics..
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv58/DC4W-93XJ/Photo0622.jpg
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv58/DC4W-93XJ/Photo0623.jpg
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