So which one is better to have?


I have a chance to pick up a set of mag ones that already have the runflat portion cut down...

Wondering if I should hold out for the rubber ones?

I voted mag cuz thats what I got. I'm not cutting mine down, figure they will be OK for 42's since they are made for 36's. If you can get some that are already cut down, go for it, I can't think of any advantage that the rubber would hold over them.

Go mag and throw in the grease.....

I am interested in going to Hummer rims for my new D60s, but I am confused as to the differences between Mag.s and rubber, bias and radial. And I have heard of double bead locked models.
Daniels post helped some, but I am still :confused:
Just to save some of you some time, I have spent hours sorting through the hundreds of posts on hummer rims:flipoff2:

My preference is the rubber beadlock sleeve for boggers or swampers over 38". The rubber can compress and account for the thicker bead on the bigger meats. The magnesium can't.

I'm left wondering what happens when the nuts are cranked down on the mags. There must be a gap behind the outer flange and the inner rim. That would mean there is no "bolted joint". Just the stud flank carrying the shear load. Major no-no. Other beadlocks get away with this by adding additional bolts to carry the bending moment developed by the shear load and even then those bolts should be retorqued and replaced periodically. Unless you add bolts or studs you're stuck with 8 or 12 bolts on the hummer rims.

I'm running 3 sets of rubber beadlock sleeves. They are on 39.5 swampers (bias rims), 42 swampers (radial rims) and 39.5 boggers (radial rims). I've run them at ZERO pressure (valve cores removed) and tried to spin them on the rim. I couldn't get them to spin. I could get the tires to spin.

I don't hold with Daniels statement that mags are easier to install. The rubber sleeves are by far the easiest to install. The rubber runflats are by far the hardest to install.

I have a set of rubber runflats and a set of mag runflats. I have used both.

The rubber runflats (keep in mind I said runflats) are fine except it absolutely sucks putting them in.

The mag ones are much easier ....by far.

I say get the set of cut mag runflats, I'm sure you won't regret it.

I'm so confused:( :confused:

Originally posted by Robert
I'm so confused:( :confused:

if you have actually searched and read like you claim, and you haven't figured out how hummer beadlocks work by now, then I am sorry, You are Never going to get it.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Daniel



BUT>>> the best one is 2 weeks from its intro...can we post this then?








Come on, don't be a teaser Daniel. lets see what you have.(please)

Originally posted by Hayraker


if you have actually searched and read like you claim, and you haven't figured out how hummer beadlocks work by now, then I am sorry, You are Never going to get it.:rolleyes:


Gee thanks for your help:flipoff2:

I know they come with a runflat in the center of the rim, but before this post, I had not heard of a "rubber runflat", only magnesium.
I have read posts referring to a rubber o-ring, but nothing explaining what the o-ring is for.
I know there is radial and bias-ply versions, but what are the differences? Again, my research has not uncovered this.
And then there has been references to doublebeadlock Hummer Rims.

Most of the posts regarding Hummer Rims are about back spacing, beadlock legality, and rims for sale.

The bias are for bias ply, they have 8 bolts, the radials are for radials, they have 12 bolts. The magnesium runflats, rubber runflats, and rubber sleeves all perform the same basic function of locking both beads. The rubber o-ring keeps the wheel from leaking at the seam where it bolts together.


I learned every bit of this information from this site

Thank you.
Added another couple pieces to the puzzle.
Sounds like I need to look for radials (12 should be better than 8)
with the cut down magnesium runflats.

Check out the different pics at USA 6x6 (http://www.usa6x6.com).

Like Hayraker said, the bias version has 8 bolts, and a 2 piece magnesium runflat/beadlock. The radial version has 12 bolts, and a solid rubber runflat and a rubber "donut" spacer.

I've heard both sides on the mag. runflats in radial wheels, and rubber runflats in bias wheels. I haven't seen anyone have problems either way.

As for bolt loading and sheer strength, again I have never seen, nor heard of anyone having problems with either the 8 or 12 bolt style. There were 3 sets used in TTC this year (1 bias, 2 radial) with no failures.

The radials are typically much harder to come by, and are priced that way. However, some have had luck getting them from Hummer dealers for very good prices. Also, check e-Bay.

Good luck!

From personal experience the rubber runflats will not work on the bias rims. The rubber beadlock sleeves (no runflat) will work. Haven't tried the mag runflats on the radial rims but I'm pretty sure they will work fine.

As for sources, I can get NEW radial rims for $85 each. That does not come with the 12 lock nuts, or the valve stem, but it does come with the O-ring.

I have run the rubber runflats in my 'bias' wheels, and they work fine (personal experience).

I have the 1 piece low profile rubber runflat for the 2 piece rims. They will not fit.

I assume you are using the 2 piece rubber runflat for the 2 piece rims? I have not tried those personally.

Yep, 2 piece......I guess we should clarify that too.....in essence there are a buttload of beadlock types for the many types of hummer wheels.

Daniel is the picture above, whats called a double bead lock?

Daniel...

Just another plee to let us in on the "best/cheapest one yet" beadlock a bit early... :D

Can you at least say wheather it will be just a beadlock or if its a beadlock/runflat? I got a set of the civi rims dirt cheap and am in the process of getting all the crap togather for my 3/4 ton axles... I'm definatly interested in these "in 2 weeks" beadlocks.

L8R

This is just a little off topic, sorry.

Daniel, you had posted pictures before of a rubber wheel insert(beadlock) for 20" wheels. Can you still get those / still have those? What wheel were they meant to fit? Can this wheel be run tubeless? I am still looking at my options for wheels for my 16.00R20 XL's going on my U-1300 axles.

Thanks,
Sean

What wheels are they made to fit?

Sean

What I mean is what make wheel are they made to fit into? They are about as useful as Hummer inserts without Hummer wheels.

Do these fit on old Kaiser wheels or.....?
The old Kaiser wheels need tubes though right?
Do these fit on the new military 2.5 ton(Kaiser replacement) vehicle?

I need some details.

Sean

How much for a set with your recenter deal to fit my Mogs?

What are those?

Thanks,
Sean

Gohumvee Hummer Tech Page (http://www.gohumvee.com/pages/beadlocks/beadlockrims.html)

Originally posted by Daniel
Boy I sure hope nobody sees that Hummvee rollover video from Wolf:D
Yeah, we didn't. The link didn't work. That's O.K. Seen it if it's the one going up the RTI ramp.

Yes you can link that. You always link my pictures anyways :D :flipoff2:

And quite posting that link to the vid of the idiot on the ramp. :flipoff2: :D :D

Tim.

Nasty Daniel ;)

I bought my radial hummer rims and rubber beadlocks from:
http://www.myhumvee.com/ . It was over a year ago so I don't no what he is selling now.
I cut the rubber beadlocks/runflats down with a sawsall over a trash can. They weigh about 45lbs. each before the cut.

Daniel , check your e-mail please.:)

Those that have experience with big tires on Hummer wheels....

Do Hummer wheels isolate the tire from spinning on the rim at single digit pressures? It seems to me that is should, but I dont know how much presure that the rubber ring actually puts on the beads.

Thanks,
Sean

Mine don't spin at 2 psi. 44's on 16" wide rears and 12" wide fronts.

Stock Hummer rims are 8.25"

Tim.

I have 3 sets of big tires on hummer rims.

39.5 boggers, 39.5 swampers, 42 swampers, I run at 3-5 psi. I have had no slippage on any of the sets. I've only run the 42's for one run but I've had the 39.5's on for over a year.

I found they even run on their sides without slipping, though I don't recommend that. I didn't even get crap stuck inside the bead.

The rubber sleeves actually compress down about 3/4" from the "free" position. I have an Ingersol Rand 1/2 drive air impact rated at 450 ft/lbs and it works to torque the studs.

For the record Paul Moeller at Myhumvee.com is great to deal with. If you can get a group of people to go together he'll cut a pretty good deal.

Daniel,Will your "in two week locks" work with ether bias or radial rims?I have bias(8 bolt) rims and I am intersted in what your coming out with.

Originally posted by Daniel
these: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=960180

Hey Daniel,

Do you have any pics of these 20" rims without a tire? I am wondering if they are simular to the humvee rims and have a beadlock ring or locking type device. Also, do you modify the centers like the humvee rims?

Details please.

I've done enough business with Paul to get reasonable prices, but I will clarify my earlier statement. RELATIVE to other hummer/humvee resellers I've dealt with Paul is MUCH less expensive. He is a super nice guy and has helped me find parts and information when he had nothing to gain from it (at least in the short term). He even gave me some scrap parts so I could modify them for my own use and arranged shipping for me.

If you wanted to get a package deal together on the beadlock sleeves I'm sure I could get them down considerably from his auction price. It's all about volume.

I haven't read the bylaws of the Pirate board so I don't know if this would float but other boards I'm a member of have group buys where a sponsor arranges a deal (does not make $'s off deal) with a vendor and if they can get that # of part orders or more the group purchase goes through. I could talk to Paul and get a brand new rim/beadlock deal together. It would probably take about 8 complete sets to get a package deal that would get the price down to a "reasonable" level.

Daniel could probably set up a better deal as he has a larger market and again, volume counts with Paul.

Is that legit on this board?