I will open myself up here but I gotta know why propane? what is the benifit? I really don't understand why....Thanks

Originally posted by calfj60
I will open myself up here but I gotta know why propane? what is the benifit? I really don't understand why....Thanks

you can run upside down--if you feel it is necessary :D

All the advantages of F/I, without being dependant on electronics is the big one for me;)

Originally posted by Mustard Dog
All the advantages of F/I, without being dependant on electronics is the big one for me;)

ooooh ya i forgot--that is a huge plus!

the down side is you loose about 30% of your power.

Originally posted by FJ-Dave
the down side is you loose about 30% of your power.

That would be true with dual-fuel setups. With the stuff out now the power loss is minimal, besides that the power loss would be at the top end which doesn't matter when you're crawlin. ;)

Originally posted by FJ-Dave
the down side is you loose about 30% of your power.

I ran dual fuel with the 2F and never really noticed a difference..
if a motor is optimized for propane you do not lose ANY power or mileage...

like mustard said, no electronics, always will have fuel deliverd to teh motor cuz its under pressure no pump needed. its cheap(if you know the ight hook ups he he) downfall = you better have enough lpg for what your doing. jiMMy

Thanks guys now I have a clue about the reason for propane. I knew there had to be something that I was missing. Now where do you fill up?

LPG is pretty big in Oz cause it costs us half as much as petrol by volume. At a guess, I would say that 90% of our city stations have LPG pumps.

I have seen a system plumbed into a car that enabled the main tank to be filled from loose cylinders ie. BBQ cylinders etc. It also worked the other way in that BBQ cylinders could be filled by hooking them up and filling the car at the bowser normally. It costs about 1/4 to run the BBQ this way! This is totally illegal in Oz and I do not encourage anyone anywhere to do it.

BT

Here's a poser... on an un-optimized for propane motor, how much BBQ juice is needed to be the equivalent to say, 12 gallons of gas?

When I do the propane, I wanna run forklift bottles, and am nervous about how much gas 2 bottles equates to...

Last time at Tellico, I was there for 2 days and had to re-fuel, and don't wanna be left high and dry while my "Go EFI" buddies laugh at me.

(Yes, I'll buy 3 bottles and keep one on the tow rig)

cal - i fill my bottles at u haul right by me but alot of chevrons and 76 stations have it too out ehre anyways, most equipment rental places have lpg

eskimo - i 2 run 2 bottles, its equivilant to 15.? gallons but not teh same as 15 gal of gasolin im my opinion. i stated before i get about 5 hours of run time on one bottle.

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1) I'm just curious how the comparison to "like EFI" is made, if there is no difference or less power. EFI can be somewhat "trouble free" but so can a carb, do you simply mean by offroading angles?

2) How much does it cost you guys to fill up?

3) What other benefits besides lessening of emissions, increases in milage?

with a carb there are still complex parts to it internally then need to be cleaned and or changed out. with a mixer there is nothing. with efi u have ELECTRONICS and a pump for the fuel and it can still cut out if your on an angle and low on fuel the pump isnt going to pick up the fuel if its on the other side of the tank where as lpg is pressurized constant feed to the motor.

.99 cents for me to fill my bottles up per gal. jiMMy

I've heard five hours of run time but...

Can anyone give me an approximate: 1 gal propane = ??gal Pro.

How many gallons do those forklifts tanks hold?

What do those tanks cost? salvage?

What is involved in propane conversion on a 350 chevy?

Where can I find "how to"

I've heard five hours of run time but...

Can anyone give me an approximate: 1 gal propane = ??gal Pro.

How many gallons do those forklifts tanks hold?

What do those tanks cost? salvage?

What is involved in propane conversion on a 350 chevy?

Where can I find "how to"

fork lift bottles hold a lil under 8 gal, like 7.6
the tanks are around 100 bucks i belive NEW, theres one on ebay right now.
lance has a write up on this very site, http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/propane/index.html
lpg engines like to have a higher compression, but i dont think it really matters as ive seen both work fine

jiMMy

Ah, ok running at any angle as long as the bottles are not sending liquid right? (Extreme angle?) I think the true cool thing would be a body panel fold down BBQ grill! Ok so for spare fuel tanks do you carry a hand full of 16oz lantern bottles, or just jack someones Coalmen stove???

All kidding aside that truly is a cool way to go!

no, there is a part called a Converter that uses the engines heated water to heat the liquid propane to a gas state. No problems with liquid or gas coming through the lines...

If the f-ing tanks held more..then I would have went this route:mad:

I have heard that setting up with popane makes you smog exempt, is this true?

It should, since your emissions are totally different, since you're not burning gas anymore.

A friend also mentioned a tax break, but I haven't confirmed that.

Another benefit is way longer engine life .No oil contamination .Ask somebody with propane how clean their oil stays .Just remember that you can't fill a tank 100% ,(to allow for expansion) .Systems we've got available to us (oz) ,theres no difference in power ,if set up right .Bend BJ on Roids ear .

ok seeing as how you get it for 99c a gallon (roughly i guess) would i be saving money or spending money on a daily driver. if it is cheaper then gas i am going to go for it! oh and i have access to bottles and whatnot so that isnt a problem.

all i want to know is is it cheaper to run propane in the long run.

oh and do you still keep your "previous" throttle response and accelleration and power and whatnot.

thanks,
Max

Im running a buick 3.8 and have been considering propane also. My little truck is also a daily driver. Like the other guy, Im wondering about real mpg. And the one dude saying a 30% power loss scared the pooper out of me but others say no.. what do I do?????????????? lets say my truck gets 15mpg now.. what should I expect with propane?

Originally posted by Mr McGee
ok seeing as how you get it for 99c a gallon (roughly i guess) would i be saving money or spending money on a daily driver. if it is cheaper then gas i am going to go for it! oh and i have access to bottles and whatnot so that isnt a problem.

all i want to know is is it cheaper to run propane in the long run.

oh and do you still keep your "previous" throttle response and accelleration and power and whatnot.

thanks,
Max i said I get it for 99 cents, its roughly 1.29 normally but goes up and down just like gas does. this concern of yours is like a gas vs. desil disscusion, and my only response is FILL IT UP AND GO. if your concerned about long run stuff and costs your in teh wrong hobby!

Originally posted by The Jerk
i said I get it for 99 cents, its roughly 1.29 normally but goes up and down just like gas does. this concern of yours is like a gas vs. desil disscusion, and my only response is FILL IT UP AND GO. if your concerned about long run stuff and costs your in teh wrong hobby!

i c your point;)

but one thing tho---lets pretend screw cost---how about driveability...if i could do burnouts before i converted....will i be able to do that after? or is it a dog, (but just a clean dog) :p

mine is far from a dog

Originally posted by Jason M

if a motor is optimized for propane you do not lose ANY power or mileage...


So run a bit higher compression. And advance the timing a tad...


No power loss..

well this is looking good....now i just have to find a place to mount the tank and i will be a bbq'er too!!! muahah :evil: