Here are my Rockwell Pinion Brake brackets. They use the standard Toyota calipers with a massive 12.19" Wilwood rotor and are CNC laser cut. They have 4 different caliper clocking positions and stick out off the axle the least of any kit I've seen to date. They are also the only pinion brake kit that addresses the different spacing that some pinion seal flanges have using 1/4" spacer bushings included in every kit. Get premium performance for a non-premium price of $65/axle + shipping.

http://www.patooyee.com/products/Pinion Brake - Pieces.JPG

http://www.patooyee.com/products/Pinion Brake - Assembled.JPG

Here's a pic of one I had on my old rig painted. You can see the sawtooth really pops out.

http://www.patooyee.com/products/brake.JPG

4/17 Update: I have revised the design of this kit to use spacer bushings instead of the spacer plate. This allows me to now include all the required fastening hardware with every kit!

Thank you for the interest and don't forget to check out my other cool rockwell stuff!

Boot Guards (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11159997#post11159997)
Bomb Pans (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=871834)



J. J.

Looks very nice, may get a couple sets from you. Does this include the rotor? If not, how much and where to got the rotor?

Rotor is $33 + shipping from Summit, Speedway, or Jegs.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Wilwood/950/160-0277/10002/-1

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Wilwood-Inboard-Cast-Iron-Rotor-1219-x-81-Inch,22434.html

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WIL-160-0277/
(Note that Summit shows the wrong picture for the product but send you the correct rotor when you order.)

J. J.

By standard Toyota calipers, which ones do you mean? Can you maybe give a Speedway part number for them as well please??
Thanks.... yet another product that you will likely get my business for due to the price point, simplicity, and style!
Thanks again,
- Matt

The application is a 1986 Toyota 4wd truck front caliper. Which side you get depends on how you are going to mount the caliper on the axle. Just consider that the bleed screw needs to stay on top. I just get them at my local parts store.

J. J.

Got a pic of how close it to the axle diff. Like a side view. Im moving my DE-ram and my yota rotor/caliper dic set-up stick out to far. So you mite have the fix to my problem.

I don't have that pic right now but will get it for you. In the meantime, the rotor is less than in inch from the round section of the housing at the bottom in those pics.

J. J.

I found these, they aren't very good but they show what you're looking for I think:

http://www.patooyee.com/products/bomb_assembled_1.JPG

http://www.patooyee.com/products/bomb_assembled_3.JPG

J. J.

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Those pics helped.
I'll have to do some think to see if this ideas going to work.

Second you mite put so of your stuff on e-bay i know alot of folks look on there for rockwell parts. Just lock in the prices.

They are on eBay. So far that's where most of my business is happening. Thanks!

J. J.

Quick question for you... can this kit be used on the driveline side if you so choose?? I'm just trying to figure it out so I can plan ahead for mounting of my steering ram, pinion brake, control arms, coils, bumps, etc....
Thanks!
- Matt

Absolutely!

J. J.

BTW ya'll, for those of you who are the types that HAVE to have the bling, the following Wilwood rotors should also work with this kit:

160-8432
160-8433
160-7705
160-7706
160-7103 (first pic)
160-7104
160-7103-bk
160-7104-bk
160-5865 (second pic)
160-5843
160-8136 (third pic)

http://www.wilwood.com/Images/ROTORS/Rotor%20Photos-Large/SRP-Drilled-Performance-Rotor-8blt-lg.jpg

http://www.wilwood.com/Images/ROTORS/Rotor%20Photos-Large/Ulltralite-32-Vane-Rotor-Drilled-lg.jpg

http://www.wilwood.com/Images/ROTORS/Rotor%20Photos-Large/Ultralite-32-Vane-Scalloped-Rotor-lg.jpg

HOWEVER, I have not personally tested them. ALSO NOTE what Wilwood has to say about them:

"Q: What's the difference between slotted and drilled/slotted rotors? Which rotor will be best for my application?

A: Slots or grooves in rotor faces are partly a carryover from the days of asbestos pads. Asbestos and other organic pads were prone to "glazing" and the slots tended to help "scrape or de-glaze" them. Also, cross-drilling and/or slotting the rotor for racing purposes was beneficial by providing a way to expel the gasses created when the bonding agents employed to manufacture the pads began to break down at extreme temperatures. This condition is often referred to as "outgassing.” When it does occur, the driver still has a good firm brake pedal, but a significant reduction in friction. Normally this only happens at temperatures witnessed in racing. However, with today’s race pad technology, “outgassing” is no longer a concern with pads designed for racing.

So in the final analysis, drilling and slotting rotors has become popular in street applications for their pure aesthetic value. Wilwood provides rotors slotted, drilled or plain. For most performance applications, slotted is the preferred choice. With certain pad material, slotting can help wipe away debris from between the pad and rotor as well as increasing the coefficient of friction between the rotor and the pad. A drilled rotor provides the same type of benefit, but is more susceptible to cracking under severe usage; however, for street and occasional light duty track use, they will work fine. For more severe applications, we recommend slotted rotors."

Also, I can't find it on their site at the moment but distinctly recall reading about it before they changed their site around. The article stated that in cases where rotors overheated their studies showed that the cooling effect of having drilled and / or slotted rotors was exponentially less than the effect of having the additional material there to heat up in the first place. In other words, a drilled / slotted rotor actually overheats faster than a plain one.

Because of this I do not recommend using the above rotors. But I do understand that other setups use similar rotors without issues and that some people can't resist the bling so I wanted to throw this information out there.

J. J.

Thanks for the interest ya'll. I'm temporarily out of stock on the brakes as of right now. I'm expecting more in late this week or early next week. I'm changing the design up slightly. The new design will use spacer bushings instead of the spacer plate. This allows me to save enough coin on the design toinclude all the fastening hardware in the future for the same price. I'll post new pics when I get it all in stock.

J. J.

any word on availability, im interested in two sets, thanks.

I should have them back in stock on Wed. I'll let you know. Thanks for the interest.

J. J.

what is the difrence in running toyota calpers v/s chevy 3/4 ton calpers i know chevy are singal piston and toyota are dual i think is it better to run toyota for heat tranfer over the chevy just courious cause the kit you sell is killer

The Chevies have a slightly larger pad at the sacrifice of more bulk and possibly more heat buildup. Ultimately though I don't think there is a huge difference.

I have the new brackets in stock now and am suppossed to be receiving the nuts and bolts tomorrow. I'll keep this thread up to date. Thanks.

J. J.

Hey ya'll, I have these back in stock now. For those who have already paid I will be packing them up tonight and shipping them tomorrow. Thanks again!

J. J.

Again, the design has been revised and the kit nowincludes all fastening hardware for the same low price. I sold out of these things for a little while but I have plenty back in stock now.

J. J.

Picture in first post updated ...

J. J.

i ant ready for brakes yet but when i do i be hollowing at you

Thanks. Looking forward to hearing from you. These things have been selling like hotcakes lately! Thank you everyone!

I did want to let everyone know that I will be out of town Tues. - Fri. this week so if you want your stuff shipped out before next week you need to get your orders in by Tues. morning at the latest. Otherwise I'll be happy to ship anything out next week!

J. J.

Wow! Almost sold out again already! More on the way though, so top!

J. J.

nice stuff..

do you ship to canada?

Let me look into what would be involved in doing that ... I'l get back to you soon. ;)

J. J.

are u out? when will more be in . i went to order of ebay and ur stuff wasnt there. thanks

eBay thought I was out but I'm not. They're back up now. Thanks.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230473953042&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

J. J.

Just got in a new shipment of these, thanks ya'll!

J. J.

Tippity top yo!

Sent some money your way for 2 sets of these.

Thank you. I see that you won the ebay auction but I have not received money yet???

J. J.

Sent some money your way for 2 sets of these.
Thanks, I'ml guessing that was you that sent money last night. Your parts are boxed up and will go out this morning!

J. J.

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Planning on ordering up two of your pinion brake setups in the next day or so and was wondering if both would fit in one flatrate box to save a few bucks. Thanks.

-Josh

Thanks! Yes, multiple sets can fit in one box. You can either win 2 eBay auctions and I willr efund one shipping charge or PM me your paypal address and I will sent you an invoice.

J. J.

Thanks man, just got my sets in the mail, quick to deal with :homer:

Your welcome! Glad you like! Thanks again.

J. J.

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Can you ship to Canada?
I'm the second person to ask.

Nat

Oh, sorry, missed it the first time. Yes, I will ship to Canada but please contact me with what you want and where in Canada it is going before buying as it will obviously incur an increased shipping cost. I ship USPS Flat Rate though so its still very reasonable. If you want to contact me direct, email me at patooyee@patooyee.com. Thanks again!

J. J.

just bought two sets through ebay. can't wait to get them on!

Thanks! I'll have those out tomorrow!

J. J.

patooyee

Thanks for checking on the shipping to Canada.

Now When I finally find some Rockwells up here, or a way to ship them here from there, I will be getting 3 of your high clearance pans. They are the best I've seen.

Nat

No problem dude. Red River Parts in TX will ship rockwells fairly reasonably and have decently prices. Not sure about Canada though. I think 406yj on here ships them, too.

J. J.

How much for two kits shipped to 98010?

How much for two kits shipped to 98010?
$141. Paypal patooyee@patooyee.com. Thank you for the inquiry.

J. J.

$141. Paypal patooyee@patooyee.com. Thank you for the inquiry.

J. J.

Payment sent :smokin:

how do i go about ordering this kit from you?

how do i go about ordering this kit from you?
I can quote you and you can pay me directly via Paypal at patooyee@patooyee.com or you can buy from my auction on eBay.

J. J.

2 kits shipped to 40361? Thanks!

2 kits shipped to 40361? Thanks!

$141, thank YOU!

J. J.

Parts showed up on Friday. Highly recomend this kit to anyone looking. Good communication, awesome parts, and fast shipping. Thanks again! :smokin:

You're welcome. Glad you like!

J. J.

FYI, I am getting married and going on my honeymoon from Nov. 5 - Nov. 14. If anyone needs these things before the week of the 15th please get your orders in before the 4th as that will be my last day to ship anything until I get back. Thank you.

J. J.

Hey ya'll. These products can now be purchased directly through my website at www.patparts.com. You don't need to have a Paypal account either, you can use a credit card or debit card! Thanks!

J. J.

Just in case anyone is watching my eBay ads I wanted to let you know that the prices there are going up. However, you can still get everything I sell at the current pricing at www.patparts.com. eBay's fees are eating my ass and its either this or raise the price on everything. So please just use the website instead of eBay and you'll still be able to get all this stuff at its current awesome pricing. Thanks. :)

J. J.

Everyone keeps asking me about cheap places to find the calipers. These are the cheapest I've found so far:

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=311207
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=311208

Those are loaded for $64.95 + shipping.

That means that for about $185 (Depending on shipping.) per axle you can have awesome pinion brakes. Good luck trying to find a cheaper more effective alternative than that.

Of course, if you can't wait you can always just go to any parts store to get them.

J. J.

Just ordered up 2 sets! Thanks for the great deal!

AJ
aka
ALTREVO

Thank you. I'll have those out to you tomorrow. You should have received your combined shipping refund already. I really appreciate the business.

J. J.

Guys, for some reason recently I've been getting lots of PM's and emails from people having a hard time finding reasonably priced calipers. The cheapest ones I've found are at www.rockauto.com. Raybestos # RC3190 for the left side, RC3189 for the rigth side. They come fully loaded. Prices at time of this posting were $56.99 and $65.79 respectively. That includes core charge, not shipping. Their shipping is normally very fair.

I would direct link ya'll but rockauto doesn't provide direct links.

Remember, when you are looking at the rotor, if you want the caliper to the left you need a right side caliper. If you want it on the right you need a left side caliper.

J. J.

PS: Application: Toyota - 1986 - Pickup - 22R - loaded caliper. The single piston one is for the 2wd model, you need the 4x4 4-piston one.

For this kit will any ifs caliper work? I see it has to be an 86 but aren't all the ifs calipers the same?

Yes, any of that era calipers should work. I don't know what year they stopped using that caliper though so I just say '86. Just make sure you don't get the solid axle caliper though as it is the same except thinner and won't fit the Wilwood rotor.

J. J.

Yup I know that much. Thanks. I'll be getting these in the new year. I already have calipers off my old toy axle lol. What are the 4 clock positions? 9,11,1,3?

Basically, yes.

J. J.

Awesome can't wait to get a set. Thanks.

JJ, i may have missed this but, will the brakes clear a flipped tie rod on the front of the rockwell?

I'll just be honest, its been so long since I ran these and I had so many different steering setups when I did that I just don't recall. I want to say that it does but I can't be certain at this point. Can any of my customers help us out on this?

J. J.

i am finally at the point that i will need brakes soon. i have always liked the design of these. what are you running now jj?

i am finally at the point that i will need brakes soon. i have always liked the design of these. what are you running now jj?
I've been building for the past 3 years but the current rig has wheel brakes on it. Not because I disliked pinion brakes. I actually prefer pinion brakes. But My ultimate goal is to build hybrid dana 80 rockwell axles and I needed to know if I could build some wheel brakes that would fit & work for the hybrids. I got them to fit and hopefully I will soon find out if they work as I plan to drive for the first time on Tues. or Wed.

Completely unrelated, what's going on with your jackstand avatar / title? I'm curious ...

J. J.

sounds great. cant wait to see how it comes out. ill probably be ordering the brakes for front and rear soon.

the avatar, my jeep has been sitting on them for about two years now. just recently removed them. i have been doing my wheeling from youtube the entire time, very sad. LOL

I edited my post, see above ...

done. see above.

I was referring to the jackstand itself though? Is it a bottle jack built into a jackstand? Did you build it? It's a good idea.

J. J.

ohh, its a combo, botttlejack with a jackstand built in. i got it from tractor supply. its very handy.

Hey man I picked up a set of these and tried installing one on my front diff. Seems like all the bolts are 1/4-1/2" to long. Is there a reason they're so long?
http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss182/PipeDreams83/0daa1569.jpg

With the 1/4" spacers the bolts just fit but the spacer ended up being to thick so I had to take them out. Now the bolts bottom out in the chunk. Even the bolts that hold the rotor to your plate and to the pinion flange are excessively long. Caliper bolts are also long and have to be cut down or grind the housing down. Am I the only on with this? I bought the kits brand new off another member.

Hard to tell from the pic what is going on but the caliper bolts JUST DO clear the chunk, its a close fit, I know that. If you're just barely hitting try using a washer to get it out and away from the chunk.

As for the rotor bracket, those bolts in the pic are definitely longer than what I send with my kits. I can't say for sure but is it possible you used the shorter ones to hold the rotor bracket to the dif and are left with too long ones for the rotor bracket?

Depending on how old the kit is, I used to not include the hardware with the kits. Its possible you got one of those from whoever you bought it from and they just didn't buy the right hardware. There is a hardware list included with the instructions. Did you verify that everything matches? I don't even stock any other hardware so it would be impossible for me to send the wrong stuff even if I tried.

J. J.

Ya the instructions had the hardware list and still in the original packaging. Seller just put my name over his to ship. I did verify every bolt. I also noticed the instructions don't say where to use the lock washers or regular washers. I did figure it out by counting how many and where they could go. Only mention of washers is for behind the caliper if it's needed.

It's still a great kit but if the bolts were 1/4" shorter it would look much cleaner and have less interference. With different hardware this would be a great kit! Either way I'm still happy I bought this kit, I'll just invest in new hardware.

Side note the course 12mm threads into the course 1/2" very easy and can easily be confused.

I still just don't get it. I've sold probably close to a thousand of these since I first started and you're the first one to have this issue. Or at least first to bring it up. I have received tons of PM's saying that it all went together perfectly and fit fine in the past. I've personally put the kit on probably 5 different axles multiple times each and the bolts were the perfect length in all cases. I agree, they are too long in your pics though. I can send you a new hardware kit if you like ...

J. J.

Na man it's all good. I've never seen anyone say anything either that's why I was caught off guard. The 5$ in bolts won't kill my budget lol. I was sketched out about the grade 5 then figured its gotta work look how many he's sold lol

The rotor will shatter long before any hardware. Just use grade 8 on the drive flange if you are using it on the drive shaft side.

J. J.

Haven't bolted up my shaft yet still just mocking things up. My kit had grade 5 for the flange bolts should they be grade 8?

No, everything I send is gr. 5. If using it on the driveshaft side you'll need 4 of your own gr. 8 bolts for the drive shaft flange. I can see that I need to amend my instructions a bit now, thank you. I will also look into possibly including 4 grade 8 bolts for that in the future.

J. J.

Cool. Didn't wanna be the whinny bitch about it just trying to help improve an already great kit. Thanks for the great parts! I'll be getting some pans next winter for a todo project

I've taken down all my listings for the pans because I'm out of stock and currently working on version 2.0, it should be even better than the old ones.

J. J.

Cool I'm no hurry... it'll be next year when I do them

How well does this kit fit with leaf springs? Does the rotor hit the springs?

I don't have a feel for leaf-sprung rigs. I've personally never tried it but a lot of my customers are big mud guys and I suspect they are running leaves. I did have one customer with leaves who wasn't able to fit it but his leaves were like 22" lift and he was using some odd-ball axle with a narrower-than normal spring perch width. I'm sorry I don't have more info on that. Maybe someone else can chime in who is running leaves?

I will accept a return though so if you get them and they don't fit return them in new, sellable condition and I will refund.

J. J.

What is the width of the kit, left and right, from the pinion center-line? I'll go out and measure my rig with stock width leaf spring mounting, 4" lift.

Well, the rotor is 12.19" dia, so 6.095" from center of pinion to outside of rotor. Add another inch or two if you're going to put the caliper on that side. I don't have one mocked up at the moment so can't get the caliper dimension easily.

J. J.

Fixing to order a pair of these brakes, is it really $33 to ship 2 setups to 82435 vs the $11 to ship 1 setup? Figured would all fit in the same flatrate box. Thanks.

No. It will be $11. The USPS hasn't developed a module to accurately assess flat rate on ecommerce sites yet so it is a glitch. If you pay the $33 I'll refund $22 within minutes. Or I can send you an invoice with only the $11 to begin with. I'm sorry its this way but waiting for the government to do anything properly is like watching trees grow.

J. J.

Got ya, Just submitted the order. Order #185. Thank you.

What is the width of the kit, left and right, from the pinion center-line? I'll go out and measure my rig with stock width leaf spring mounting, 4" lift.

Did you get a chance to get that measurement yet?

Did you get a chance to get that measurement yet?

Well, the rotor is 12.19" dia, so 6.095" from center of pinion to outside of rotor. Add another inch or two if you're going to put the caliper on that side. I don't have one mocked up at the moment so can't get the caliper dimension easily.

J. J.

I'm sorry, that is as accurate as I can get right now without one being mockep up and I don't currently have the parts to mock one up.

Got ya, Just submitted the order. Order #185. Thank you.

Thank you. Your refund is on the way.

J. J.

Here's a great pic of my brakes and bomb pan on a customer's rig.

http://www.patooyee.com/parts/purple pinion brake.jpg

Also some kind of exciting news, I'm now an official Wilwood dealer and have rotors in stock. I will be adding them to the website in the next couple days.