Will someone please school me on the advantages, and disadvantages of the Remington model 700 actions vs the Winchester M70 actions.

I have the opportunity to purchase a M7O action '' long'' at a reasonable price, but I'm not even remotely familiar with them. I'm in the beginning stages of having a rifle built, primarily used for long range target shooting ''4-600yds', and some elk hunting, chambered in what i would like to be a 338, 300 RUM, or a 338RUM.

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Really, it's a Ford/Chevy thing. Just a preference to Rem or Win, but both are generally accepted as adequate for whatever can be thrown at them.

Remington has the most aftermarket support, followed by Savage. If that doesn't matter to you then get the Win. They are well built rifles.

thanks, thats what i wanted to hear.

If you are having it built, get a true mauser action. Uber strong and reliable

The advantage of a pre-64, "classic", or controlled feed winchester M70 action is that you can chamber a round in any position, and it is extremely difficult to get a double feed.

The advantage of a remington 700 action is that it more completely encloses the cartridge head and may, in some cases, provide a more robust ejection than the M70.

In 1964, Winchester decided to reduce rifle production costs by going to a circlip action very similar to a rem 700. In the late 90s (iirc), Winchester reintroduced the mauser-style/pre-64 M70 action, calling it the "classic" or "controlled feed" action.

I'm not going to get into accuracy. Suffice to say, rifles in either action style can be made more accurate than you can shoot.

I prefer the M70 or mauser action, personally. Both the M70 and Rem. 700 will shoot quite well, but the M70 is more reliable, in my opinion.

thanks again. i just bought the M70 action, now the build begins

the M70 is more reliable, in my opinion.


so what are some of the reliability issues of a 700?:flipoff2:

so what are some of the reliability issues of a 700?:flipoff2:

How many bolt handles have you broken off again?:flipoff2:



Thats not to say that M70 handles don't break off

How many bolt handles have you broken off again?:flipoff2:




:laughing::laughing:

How many bolt handles have you broken off again?:flipoff2:



Thats not to say that M70 handles don't break off

on a factory remington? none.:D

and the only factory remington handles i have seen broken off were do to a stuck case and being hit with a 2x4 or hammer, ie abuse.

so what are some of the reliability issues of a 700?:flipoff2:

Double feeds or FTE :flipoff2: You can also feed a round with the rifle at any attitude with a mauser extractor.

I also like a blade ejector vs. a plunger ejector because I can eject my brass "softly" vs. having it flung across the range every time I shoot.

I'm not saying the 700 is unreliable, just that the 70 is more reliable ;)

i had no idea that double feeds or fte's were an issue with 700's. i guess i just haven't been shooting them long enough or been around enough of them to see these issues.

i had no idea that double feeds or fte's were an issue with 700's. i guess i just haven't been shooting them long enough or been around enough of them to see these issues.

Sweet! I actually caught the sarcasm on that one! :flipoff2:

If you don't operate the bolt smartly, or you get confused while operating the bolt, it can happen. A mauser extractor just makes it less likely (almost impossible) for this to happen.

I also like a blade ejector vs. a plunger ejector because I can eject my brass "softly" vs. having it flung across the range every time I shoot.


<-- In that camp.

That's the only thing my Mauser has over my Savage.

Sweet! I actually caught the sarcasm on that one! :flipoff2:

If you don't operate the bolt smartly, or you get confused while operating the bolt, it can happen. A mauser extractor just makes it less likely (almost impossible) for this to happen.

ok, i just messed around and my 700 based action will feed flawlessly with the ejection port facing up, ejection port facing down and the rifle upside down. with the ejection port facing up, the case ejected fine but i could see it falling back into the action if you weren't paying attention. i don't see that being any different with a controlled feed action.

i guess if you did short stroke the action, you could cause a double feed but that is operator error, not a reliability issue with the action design.

Does yours have a drop magazine or a blind/hinged magazine? I can see a drop magazine having feed lips that would work upside down, but I think the problem was with the original blind and hinged magazines.

Does yours have a drop magazine or a blind/hinged magazine? I can see a drop magazine having feed lips that would work upside down, but I think the problem was with the original blind and hinged magazines.

yes, i'm running a dbm. the magazine doesn't have anything to do with which action is better/more reliable. the fact is that there are a bunch of bottom metal manufactures for the 700 that use the common and extremely reliable aics magazines. how many of them are there for the m70?

i don't see any practical advantage of the controlled feed m70 over a remington 700. i do know that there are a lot more people that are willing to work on a 700 and there is far more aftermarket support for a 700. to me, that is a big advantage.

yes, i'm running a dbm. the magazine doesn't have anything to do with which action is better/more reliable. the fact is that there are a bunch of bottom metal manufactures for the 700 that use the common and extremely reliable aics magazines. how many of them are there for the m70?

i don't see any practical advantage of the controlled feed m70 over a remington 700. i do know that there are a lot more people that are willing to work on a 700 and there is far more aftermarket support for a 700. to me, that is a big advantage.

CDI seems to be a popular option for DBM with AICS mags. I'm not to sure how many others are making them though.

All of the good stocks out there are available for the pre-64 action. The factory trigger on my FN PBR-XP was polished and breaks cleanly. It is also adjustable to be way to light for practical use. Scope bases are also readily available. The FN actions also have the recoil lug built in, something you can't get until you get a custom 700 action.

As for the number of smiths who will work on a m70 action, I will give you that one. As a serious question though, how much more or different work is involved in the m70 action verses the 700? I know a relief cut must be made in the barrel to clear the extractor. Is there any difference in truing the locking lugs?

I'm not saying the m70 is better than the 700, but it should be considered an equal to the 700.

so you have one option for using an aics magazine and no aics stock option. there are at least five dbm bottom metal options for rem 700s and an aics option.

the built in recoil lug and trigger area make a larger action truing jig required for the m70. i am not sure if the work involved is any different though.

again, i don't see the supposid issues with the 700 being valid. sure, a m70 can be built just as accurate as a 700 but it will be easier with a 700 due to the accessory options and gun plumbers willing to do the work.