Hey guys...what's up? I'm building an '85 Toyota P/U and would like to upgrade the axles to FJ-80's (preferrably with E-Lockers). Can you all tell me what I should expect to pay for a F & R set of complete axles with and without E-Lockers? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Justin

theres always hope for a really good deal, but you can order them from cruiserparts.net (a TLC specific junk yard in NH) for lockers its 1200 for a front, 1000 for a rear. Non locking is 600 for front or rear. be aware that the locking rear is FF where as the non locking is SF. If you already have a locker in one of your mini truck axels I think it will work in a front fj80 housing as it is a 8inch housing. Also, remember that the rear is offset. These are really nice axels and when I have the money I will buy a locking rear and non locking front (putting a lockright in the front).

my 94 non-locking rear is FF.
You will pay big $$, unless you get the ever hunted "good deal"

Question...Does anybody make locking hubs for the front?

The outer splines are the same as other LC so a standard mini (live axle) hub should fit. There is a specific free hub, but the wheel hubs are scalloped and these matching hubs may just 'look right'. Plus, they cost $225 each.

A big concern is getting a ABS style to run without the ABS. The internals could just be gutted.

ALL US 1993-1997 rear axles will be FF diff lock or not.

I am under the asumption that 93 and 94 models were equipped with SF and FF depending on your trim level. Rear drum 93 and 94 models are SF and rear disk are FF.

Is this information incorrect?

There was only ONE trim level ever available in the US, the equivalent to VX in other countries, with regional variations. Toyota uses a few different designations to denote trim level but they vary from country to country.

But back to your comment, all US-spec 1993-1994 FZJ80's *should* have a FF rear axle and rear disk brakes, regardless of whether they have factory lockers or not, there's no such thing as a 1994 FZJ80 with rear drum brakes (US-spec, of course, for other markets all bets are off).

HC and Rick D. are two of the most knowlegable Cruiserheads out there, but I think they are wrong in this case. :)

I have seen both a 93 and a 94 with semi floater rear ends. I think that the option of a rear full floater versus semi floater had to do with the optional (at that point) ABS. If you got ABS on your 93-94, you got the FF and rear disks. No ABS and you got rear SF and drums. Just my $0.02 of Cruiserhead gleaned info. :D

Ross

Does anyone know of a good webpage that talks about the differences between Toyota front axles?

FJ40 vs. 60 vs. 80 vs Pickup?

I know where a 60 is for $400 and a pick up axle is for $240.

Should I just stick with the pickup axle and get super birfields in the future?

If you could point me to a good site I would appreciated it. I need to make my decision by this weekend or the pick up axle is gone.

I tried the search and it failed. The forum must be pretty busy right now because it is slow.

"FJ40 vs. 60 vs. 80 vs Pickup? "

The main difference is the width. IIRC the width goes like this:


40<mini truck<60<80

Also the 80 series has larger different birfield. Check out Woody's site: www.ih8mud.com. Should be a wealth of info for you. 80 series is probably to wide for a mazda pickup.

Good luck

Darius

let me qualify my statement:
All 1993-1997 FZJ80s WITH disk brakes are full floaters in the US. A limited number of SF drum rears were installed up to Jan 1995 production. there are diff lock and non diff lock FF out there.

and anyone who wants to sell a drum SF 80 rear end for more than $250 should be sent to Siberia for a few winters.

A further addendum to this dry topic. My dad's 1998 UZJ100 has a semi floater rear end. It has rear disks and ABS, but no locker. Locker option garnered the full floater, at least in the fisrt year of 100 series production. Consider this horse fully beaten, for now.

Originally posted by rick d
and anyone who wants to sell a drum SF 80 rear end for more than $250 should be sent to Siberia for a few winters.

Well, that explains the 'junkyards' around here...Pilots must've kicked 'em out before they made it allt he way! :flipoff2:

This junkyard wants $1500 for an FJ80 front. I doubt they know if it is locked, and you can get them at cruiserparts.net with lockers for $1200. This one has a cracked rotor due to the collision and has been sitting in the yard for over 2 years. I offered $500. Should I just go with the $240 '84 pickup axle I have lined up even if they go for the offer. I want to use All Pros Hy-Steer and I'm not sure if one can with an FJ80 axle since the steering arms are on the bottom, right?

Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by Mazda4x4
I want to use All Pros Hy-Steer and I'm not sure if one can with an FJ80 axle since the steering arms are on the bottom, right?

Correct, 80 series have 2 bolt bearing caps on the top, and 4 bolt arm on the bottom of the knuckle housing. No way to fit mini style hi-steer arms to an 80 series knuckle.

80 series and current coil sprung 7X series have the 2 bolt top plate.

1990-1999 7X leaf front ends are 4 bolt pattern which is identical spacing to 1979+. In fact, bottom cap is the same.

I have a 1995 front end here from a 70 series possibly for sale.
High pinion diff (non lock), includes:
new knuckle kit (correct 75 series)
new birfelds (non ABS)
and the 75 arms if you want them.

serious offers only
mrwagon@tritel.net
freight from Billings Montana truck only. Forward Air and other air cargo do not operate out of Billings.

Delivery to SLC or Denver possible.

What is a 70 series? Steering arms on top or bottom?
What is it out of?

Rick,
Can you explain the difference between an ABS and Non-ABS Birfield?

:shaking:

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Andre-

Having not torn into a ABS front end I am not sure of the operation. ABS birfields have a ring (looks like synchro ring) pressed on the bell near the main shaft. Most if not all of the 70 series lack ABS, although my front end had newfields in it when I tore it down. I bought new HDK birfields for it (a japanese aftermarket). NTN is OE maker but they are not allowed to sell the new modern birfields w/o a Toyota box ($350 each or so!).

leaf sprung 7X are front steer, top arm and the bottom cap is identical (pn) to 1979+ LC's- therefore shims fit-high steer arms fit. Knuckle bearings are same, but gaskets and wipers are different. Standard Aisin hubs fit, as do LC/Mini calipers, hubs, backing plates, wheel bearings, spindles etc.

Do the 7x leaf spring axles use the FJ60 style birfield? or the 80 series(larger)???

So the late HD 70 series have the bigger knucle & birf. same as 80 series, right ? Do you know if the same applies for the late LD 70 series ?

Couple more questions:

1) Common wisdon says rear FF is stronger than SF but anyone know for sure in an 80 series application?

2) Anyone know how to disable the ABS on an 80? It looks like those gears are the mechanism it uses for slipping the wheels (and also determining the lack of traction). If yoy simply remove that gear will it not allow the pump to come on either?

3) Does low range disable the ABS? (it should!!)

4) And I guess that's about it.....

Andre (looking at a FJ80 and a FZJ80 parts truck)

The ABS ring should be like most others. It is pieces of metal that the magnetic sensor picks up on as it goes by. This then send the signal to the processor to determine the wheel RPMs and compare it to the rest of the wheels. It then applies brakes as needed to control the vehicle.

Good luck

-Darius