: Old Sears Compressors? Who knows anything about em?


[Memphis]
04-09-2010, 03:55 PM
I found one for cheap... hell it would even be good for parts...
What I do know:

20 Gallon
It appears that the Motor has been replaced by some monster contraption (lack pics of actual unit)
but it's a 2hp motor... I believe it was 60Hz?
It was still tagged and claimed to pull:
26amps on a 115v circuit
17amp on 230v

This motor is huge... like the size of a Ruby ball

What I am worried about is the compressor pump?

I attached a similar pic of the unit I saw today and the pump looks identical... however the motor on the compressor in the pic isn't the one I'm talking about

Anyone have any idea what the pump is? I am looking to use the compressor with my plasma...

4x4orbust
04-09-2010, 04:33 PM
i have something similar, but the pump looks different. same 20 gal tank, and it holds 40 PSI in the tank with the air nozzle on it and wide open blowing off something. they push some good cfm.

dopeassjackson
04-09-2010, 04:41 PM
the big question is how much does your plasma take? every one is defferent.

[Memphis]
04-09-2010, 05:30 PM
60-75psi @ 4.5cfm
Since I am living in a condo I have access to only 1 230v outlet... hence my other thread kicking around in the tool forum...

Ideally I would like to get at least 5.5cfm @ 90psi to know for sure that the compressor will be able to manage the plasma

SirPoopsALot
04-09-2010, 11:04 PM
I have a very similar unit. Its 7.4cfm @ 90psi, and 8.8 @ 40.

That motor looks like my motor, so it may be the original.

I like it. Only problem i have had is the little tiny bolts or screws that hold the reeds down in the pump came loose and it didn't pump too well. That and some crap the previous owner rigged up.

dopeassjackson
04-10-2010, 06:17 AM
our 10+yr old IR 3hp 25gal is rated to 5cfm. it kept up with my miller 375, it takes 3cfm at 60psi i think.

[Memphis]
04-11-2010, 06:32 AM
Pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/jpaddock/Misc%20Stuff/Quincy003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/jpaddock/Misc%20Stuff/Quincy002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/jpaddock/Misc%20Stuff/Quincy001.jpg

So what I do know...
The Pump is a Quincy 210 model... apparently it flows at 7cfm + 100psi which is pretty damn good for what I need to do with it but it doesn't fit into my plans that well...

Apparently it is a counter clock wise rotation compressor pump...

I bought this unit "thing" untested and it needs some work (I know stupid) but I only dropped $100 on it and hope that I can easily make that back worse case scenario...

The motor is a Brooks Electric... labeled to be a 2hp motor but the thing is a MONSTER (Amsoil quart used for reference)
It says it pulls 26amps on 115vac and 13amps on 230vac - these are rated at continuous duty according to the stamp

It's single phase, it says it's on a "EK 182T Frame", "Type DP" not too much more useful info on the motor stamp... max RPM is 1700 for the motor... max pump speed on the Quincy is 1000rpm

From what I have seen from online and read...
1hp on a 115 vac line should pull 7amps... therefore 2hp should pull 15amps on a 115 vac line - From what it looks like... this is a VERY inefficient motor?

But how can I be sure to know that this is a boat anchor of a motor or not?

Is the compressor head itself worth tearing into and rebuilding?

bgaidan
04-11-2010, 10:16 AM
You need to do some measuring and math on your pulley sizes. A quick search tells me your pump is rated at 6.4 cfm @ 1000 rmp on the pump. You're not getting 1000rmp with that setup.

Quincy is still around so you should have no problem getting parts for the pump.

[Memphis]
04-11-2010, 12:05 PM
Do you think it's more or less RPM? There is a local dealer here in Town so I'm going to inquire...

TheSteve
04-11-2010, 03:22 PM
With those pulleys you'll be spinning that pump much less than 1000rpm. If the motor spins at 1700 and you want the pump at 1000, you'll want the pump's pulley to be 1.7 times the size of the motors pulley. From the pic that motors pulley is way smaller than that. Can you measure the diameters of both of them?

71PA_Highboy
04-12-2010, 07:03 AM
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So what I do know...
The Pump is a Quincy 210 model... apparently it flows at 7cfm + 100psi which is pretty damn good for what I need to do with it but it doesn't fit into my plans that well...

Apparently it is a counter clock wise rotation compressor pump...

I bought this unit "thing" untested and it needs some work (I know stupid) but I only dropped $100 on it and hope that I can easily make that back worse case scenario...

The motor is a Brooks Electric... labeled to be a 2hp motor but the thing is a MONSTER (Amsoil quart used for reference)
It says it pulls 26amps on 115vac and 13amps on 230vac - these are rated at continuous duty according to the stamp

It's single phase, it says it's on a "EK 182T Frame", "Type DP" not too much more useful info on the motor stamp... max RPM is 1700 for the motor... max pump speed on the Quincy is 1000rpm

From what I have seen from online and read...
1hp on a 115 vac line should pull 7amps... therefore 2hp should pull 15amps on a 115 vac line - From what it looks like... this is a VERY inefficient motor?

But how can I be sure to know that this is a boat anchor of a motor or not?

Is the compressor head itself worth tearing into and rebuilding?

That amperage rating is probably an HONEST rating. Which means you have an honest 2HP motor. My 3HP GE pulls 38A starting and ~17.8 running. Based on what you are writing, it might actually be an 'undersell' - 3HP and calling it 2.0.

That motor will run all day, every day and not give you any issues, unlike the cheaper crap you will get today.

If the compressor head works and doesn't knock, change the oil and leave it alone. As stated above, Quincy is still around, and they produce good compressors.

To get the right pulleys and a calculator for size, look here:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=878545

Good luck!

[Memphis]
04-12-2010, 07:18 AM
That amperage rating is probably an HONEST rating. Which means you have an honest 2HP motor. My 3HP GE pulls 38A starting and ~17.8 running. Based on what you are writing, it might actually be an 'undersell' - 3HP and calling it 2.0.

That motor will run all day, every day and not give you any issues, unlike the cheaper crap you will get today.

If the compressor head works and doesn't knock, change the oil and leave it alone. As stated above, Quincy is still around, and they produce good compressors.

To get the right pulleys and a calculator for size, look here:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=878545

Good luck!

Thanks for the link!
I'm really in a bind though because I can't really run this compressor in the condo I'm at... I want to keep it but I think I can also flip it for a fair price worst case scenario... I want to keep the Quincy pump but I don't know what I am going to do...

If I do decide to keep it, is there a way I can bench test the motor to see what kind of HP it really puts out?

71PA_Highboy
04-12-2010, 07:29 AM
I am confused. You said it runs 26A @115, why can't you run it on a 115 outlet where you are now?

As for bench testing the motor, I have no clue, I would just trust the mfr's spec (this time).

You can always hit Quincy's site and see what they state is the required HP for this pump. Then run to Tractor supply and buy a 115V motor that matches the head's requirements.

As a side note, you CAN run a lower HP motor, but you will have to slow down the head, but that will also reduce your CFM, so there is a trade-off.

Keep us informed....

[Memphis]
04-12-2010, 07:36 AM
I am confused. You said it runs 26A @115, why can't you run it on a 115 outlet where you are now?

As for bench testing the motor, I have no clue, I would just trust the mfr's spec (this time).

You can always hit Quincy's site and see what they state is the required HP for this pump. Then run to Tractor supply and buy a 115V motor that matches the head's requirements.

As a side note, you CAN run a lower HP motor, but you will have to slow down the head, but that will also reduce your CFM, so there is a trade-off.

Keep us informed....

Standard Canuck wiring is 15amps on a 115v circuit so I'm 10amps over the limit of the breaker :laughing:

71PA_Highboy
04-12-2010, 07:41 AM
Ahhh... Canuck Ontario, not Kaliforicator Ontario.

Also... Something to look at:

http://www.shipcopumps.com/MathWizard/mw_motoramperage.asp