I got a line on some free waggy axles ..........just got some questions about them........There comming off of a 75


How wide are they from wms to wms?

They both should be D44 right?

Is the rear a center drop?

What gear ratio usally come it them ?


I want to put them under my 74 cj5 but don't know much about waggy axles

Originally posted by TOY 2
I got a line on some free waggy axles ..........just got some questions about them........There comming off of a 75


How wide are they from wms to wms?

They both should be D44 right?

Is the rear a center drop?

What gear ratio usally come it them ?


I want to put them under my 74 cj5 but don't know much about waggy axles

Yes, they should be dana 44's. If it has a quadratrac, the rear will be offset like the front. If it's a centered rear output tcase, the rear will still be offset a little but it's about 3" less. I'm not certain of the width but the rear fit mine fine from a 70's waggy. I sent my shafts to Moser to have the rear redrilled for 5 lug wheels and bought new drums for a 99 dodge ram 1/2 ton 4x4.

The front s/b 58" wms -wms and the rear s/b 59" wms - wms.

SEARCH!!!

This has been covered a million times. Waggy Dana 44's are about 60" WMS to WMS front, 58.5" rear, your '74 CJ-5 is about 51" Waggy axles under a CJ isn't anything new. Outboard your front springs, move the pads in the rear, many of the rears were two piece shafts, and almost all were offset to some degree, skip the rear and find a Scout II Dana 44 rear, same width as the waggy, centered more, and already 5 on 5.5, use Ford hubs on the front for 5 on 5.5 pattern, search and yee shall find.

(banging head on desk)

SEARCH!!!!








74 cj5 SOA on waggy axles.

:mad:

Originally posted by Colt45auto
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Come on ........ Don't be afraid to tell us how you feal:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Colt45auto
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It's funny when newbies get so steamed they cant respond :flipoff2: You should search. You should also look at the vehicle. BTW ;)

Ok ...I'm going to let you guys in my head and let you know whats behind all this madness:D .......4Bangler knows that I posted last week about the D30 disc brakes.........I'm trying to find a CHEAP way to add disc to the front of my cj5.......I found out that for $50 +shipping I could put disc on my D30.....but why put that money in a D30 when I could spend it on a D44:D .......and no I don't want a D60 :flipoff2: ........I don't compete in my jeep I just weekend wheel it


I was coming home to day from work and noticed 2 wagoners that have been abandon:eek: .........I stop and looked at them( quickly) and one of them had both axles ....It even had NEW brake pads on the front.........So I figured that I could put the front waggy D44 under my jeep..........Then I started thinking how to make it 5 lug to match the rear........Then I would have to cut it down to match the rear D44 I have already............I got this hairbrain idea that I could just put the rear waggy 44 in my jeep........That would eliminate the bolt pattern difference and the witdh difference:D ........


I have a toy with 6 lug and a GMC with 6 lug I figured that I might as well make my jeep 6 lug as well..........What do you guys think of my Idea??????........would it work or not


And yes I'm doing a SEARCH!!!

I want a taco rear axle (4.56s stock) and a FSJ front axle.

Originally posted by TOY 2
What do you guys think of my Idea??????........would it work or not

Nothing wrong with a Jeep having 6 bolt pattern. Yes, it will work. Now go get them.

Originally posted by Jeepdude_Jay

Nothing wrong with a Jeep having 6 bolt pattern. Yes, it will work. Now go get them.



I think I will:D :D .......does anyone else what a set........There were 2 waggy with complete axles under them:eek:

Originally posted by TOY 2




I think I will:D :D .......does anyone else what a set........There were 2 waggy with complete axles under them:eek:
ya if you didn't live in Africa (B.F.E.) :D

Winnemucca is in BFE :D

As some one stated theres nothing wrong with six lug, its stronger in the long run anyways..

Six lug as well..

What years did waggys come with D44 rear and what years for the AMC20?

Originally posted by robobx
What years did waggys come with D44 rear and what years for the AMC20?


Good question???:confused: >>>>I'm guessing that the AMC20 will have 2 piece axles:confused:

Waggy AMC 20s have one piece axles, thicker axle tubes, and are generally stronger than CJ AMC 20's. They are not bad, somewhere in between a dana 44 and a stock 9". Limited gear choices (4.88 max atm), and greater difficulty in finding replacement parts are their only downfall.

Ben

No they are not a two piece. I do know that much.
I thought that 86-91 waggys were the only D44 rear...

Originally posted by robobx
No they are not a two piece. I do know that much.
I thought that 86-91 waggys were the only D44 rear...


So with that said..........Is the 1975 waggy I'm looking at have a AMC20 or D44...............I'm guessing that it would be AMC20:(

I'm not 100% positive on that 86-91 ONLY...They are local to you, right, just peak underthere and have a look. The AMC20 will have a big totally round diff cover.

The AMC20 in a waggy is a great axle actually,

They dont have the normal problems a cj style 20 has. The axle tubes are thicker and stronger, typically they have one piece axles, and the ring and pinon are actually larger then a 44..

There is nothing wrong with the AMC20. I got one for free, paid someone to swap my detroit and gears into it, added $150 disk brakes, and bolted on 37" MTR's. The best thing about it is noone want them because of a bad wrap, but I haven't broken anything on it, and this weekend I towed a trailer loaded with 5 bales of straw through the gate keeper on the 'con. How's that for strength. :flipoff2: I run a 79 waggy front and it is about 4 inches wider than the 20 rear, which I think is an 83. Oh and they are kind of one piece axles. They started out as two pieces (not gay ones like the CJ's.... Beefy), and welded at the factory.

here's a question...
late model Isuzu rodeos have a D44, would the disk brakes from one swap onto a waggy 44?

Originally posted by robobx
No they are not a two piece. I do know that much.
I thought that 86-91 waggys were the only D44 rear...

The dana 44 was also used before 1981. '81 to '85/6 used the AMC 20. A lot of 70's waggies are quadratrac though so the diff is offset more like this.

http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/53-689561-IM000055.jpg

Most of the pre '80 Waggies I've seen have been Dana 44's, with two peice shafts, I'd rather run a Waggy AMC 20 than one of those, the centered flanged axle Dana 44 Waggies seem to be hard to find, a Scout II 44 rear would be a better option, but the Waggy front is great. As for a six lug Dana 44 rear that is centered, try looking at early to mid 60's Chevy trucks, many of them used a quite narrow Dana 44 rear.

Or a late model Isuzu Rodeo or Honda Passport(disc brakes)

Originally posted by robobx
Or a late model Isuzu Rodeo or Honda Passport(disc brakes)


How wide are these axles????????and what is the bolt pattern?

Originally posted by 4Bangler
Most of the pre '80 Waggies I've seen have been Dana 44's, with two peice shafts, I'd rather run a Waggy AMC 20 than one of those, the centered flanged axle Dana 44 Waggies seem to be hard to find, a Scout II 44 rear would be a better option, but the Waggy front is great. As for a six lug Dana 44 rear that is centered, try looking at early to mid 60's Chevy trucks, many of them used a quite narrow Dana 44 rear.


Will the 2 piece 44's look like to 2 piece cj 20's (nut at the end of axle) or will it look just like a 1piece axle(just brake drum)........I looked at this waggy quickly and it had no wheels on it .......it was sitting in the bruch.....but I did see that the rear had just a regular drum not the nut at the end of the cj 20's

A two peice 44 axle flange looks very similar to a two piece AMC 20 flange, yup, big 'ol dumb nut on the end.

Originally posted by TOY 2



How wide are these axles????????and what is the bolt pattern?

6 on 5.5" I don't remember the exact width, but about 59"

So a waggy 44 front and a Isuzu Rodeo or Honda Passport 44 rear would make the best fit for my 74 cj5...........Both 6 lug and about the same width........The rear would have disc and center drop........the front would have disc and passanger drop.........Sounds alot better then what I have now........drum all the way around:eek:

TOY2---carry a measuring tape with you when looking for a front Waggy.....it seems the waggy front 44 passenger side versions of the 70's offset the pumpkin about 1.2" to the outside....this means the tire is more likely to rub the pack in hard right turns.....later model ones have the extra 1.2" of passenger side axle tubing. With a tape measure, I think you will measure 5.5" of tubing......earlier models only have ~4" FYI

Originally posted by ZUK
TOY2---carry a measuring tape with you when looking for a front Waggy.....it seems the waggy front 44 passenger side versions of the 70's offset the pumpkin about 1.2" to the outside....this means the tire is more likely to rub the pack in hard right turns.....later model ones have the extra 1.2" of passenger side axle tubing. With a tape measure, I think you will measure 5.5" of tubing......earlier models only have ~4" FYI

Okay, this is new info to me, and I am very interested. I've only seen one length of axle shafts listed for pre '79 Waggy 44's, so that might infer that some may have wider spring spacing on the same width axle, interesting indeed. I'd like to see some measurements on just such an axle, are you sure you're not confusing a Cherokee Cheif (basically J-10 axles under a Cherokee) axle, witch is wider, something like 65"-67" WMS to WMS? I'm still trying to put together a table of Dana 44 axle facts, but I'm having a hard time getting accurate information.

Is winemucca anywhere near reno, I don't know Nevada at all, but I'm only an hour and a half fron Reno, so...if those other axels are still around, I'd be interested, that is, if your fairly close.:goofball:

Originally posted by willysfreak
Is winemucca anywhere near reno, I don't know Nevada at all, but I'm only an hour and a half fron Reno, so...if those other axels are still around, I'd be interested, that is, if your fairly close.:goofball:



Winnemucca is 165 miles east of Reno on I-80.

4Bangler---I bought one out of the junk yard for $120....but it was an early Wagoneer I think.....anyways, I discovered the issue when I started measuring things up at home....realized that even though this axle was nearly 3" wider than my old 58.5" axle housing that the tire rubbing was gonna still be an issue...same exact issue on the passenger side. I then called Drive Train Warehouse and after much talking with the tech we discovered that early Wagoneers had different axle lengths than the later model ones(he has charts) yet had the same overall WMS/WMS numbers. Maybe I can get them to fax me something.

Originally posted by TOY 2
So a waggy 44 front and a Isuzu Rodeo or Honda Passport 44 rear would make the best fit for my 74 cj5...........Both 6 lug and about the same width........The rear would have disc and center drop........the front would have disc and passanger drop.........Sounds alot better then what I have now........drum all the way around:eek:

That's what I have, and stopping power is better now with 35"s than it was with stock tires and D30,D35.

Originally posted by TOY 2



So with that said..........Is the 1975 waggy I'm looking at have a AMC20 or D44...............I'm guessing that it would be AMC20:(
I would bet my money that a 75 has a flanged 44.

Originally posted by robobx


That's what I have, and stopping power is better now with 35"s than it was with stock tires and D30,D35.



Ok let us in on all the details about you rig........What year axles and what they came off of........What you had to do to make them fit....What are they under.....all the good details:D

Pre '79 Waggies and '80 and up Waggies have different length inner shafts due to the Driver's drop vs Passenger drop, about an inch different but the same total length between the two. I've never heard of any early axles having anything different than late seventies axles, and anything before the early seventies would have been closed knuckle. I'd be really curious to see what years are in question here.

Originally posted by 4Bangler
Most of the pre '80 Waggies I've seen have been Dana 44's, with two peice shafts

I don't know what year of pre-80 Waggie you've looked at, but they haven't used two piece 44s in any Jeep since 1971. I have owned four pre-80 Wagoneers/Cherokees and every one of them have been flanged axles. The difficult part of pre-80 Waggie 44's is the offset part. You can count on 95% of them being the offset variety as the Dana 20 wasn't used much in Waggies/Cherokees. You can find 44's in J-trucks also and they don't have nearly the amount of offset that the Waggie 44's have.

Jeepdude Jay you're exactly right about the '75 having a flanged 44.

Come to think of it. the last few I looked at were flanged, but a couple years ago when I was looking at Waggy 44's for another project I looked at five in one day that were all two-piece, of course these were all rotted out wrecks in fields and junkyards, many had already been robbed of anything good, so who knows what year they were. The offsets are a bitch though, the totally offset Q-trac ones are great for running a Dana 18, but the "we can't what case we're going to run so we'll just put it somewhere in the middle kinsa" axles suck. I have seen a couple older J-trucks with two piece, but when they don't change the body lines from '65 to '87 it's kinda tough to determine the exact year of a pilliaged relic.

Here is what I'm doing with my waggy 20 :

my 20 (http://members.tripod.com/~Jeep_n_John/reds20.html)

Originally posted by TOY 2




Ok let us in on all the details about you rig........What year axles and what they came off of........What you had to do to make them fit....What are they under.....all the good details:D


Late 80s waggy 44 front with 70s chevy flat top knuckle with www.foothills4x4.com high steer arm. When I got it it had a shortened tie rod used as a drag link, these were both from the waggy front. but I'm in the process of doing 1.5 DOM links.Warn 19 spline shafts, superwinch hubs, detroit.
Rear is a late model Isuzu Rodeo with moser shafts, detroit, and nice LONG rodeo e-brake lines:D.
These are under a 99TJ sport, so welding on TJ brackets and bingo!

Here's a crappy pic
http://community.webshots.com/photo/24314271/26704172IaNBiVemDH

All I need to find is a D44 rear out of a rodeo Now:D ........Do you rember the the year rodeo you got the rear off of.......Does anyone know what years they came with disc in the rear????

Originally posted by willysfreak
Is winemucca anywhere near reno, I don't know Nevada at all, but I'm only an hour and a half fron Reno, so...if those other axels are still around, I'd be interested, that is, if your fairly close.:goofball:

You still interested?????I e-mailed you

Originally posted by TOY 2
All I need to find is a D44 rear out of a rodeo Now:D ........Do you rember the the year rodeo you got the rear off of.......Does anyone know what years they came with disc in the rear????

'94 and up. I had heard somewhere that the amigos 98 and up had them too...Not too sure on that. all rodeo 44s have disc.

I just went out and measured the front waggy 44 and it was 61" wms to wms........My cj5 is 53.5" wms to wms.......75." wider:D .......I think my jeep will look work a lot better with the wider axles:D .........

How hard is it to put locking hub on a waggy front axle??????????

just take out the old stuff and put in the manual hub stuff:D
quite easy.
Yeah you'll love the width if you're only 53" now.

What gear ratio are in waggy's ????????1975

Originally posted by TOY 2
What gear ratio are in waggy's ????????1975
Nothing you will want. Probably in the LOW 3s.

Yeah, consider yourself lucky if you get as low as 3.73, more than likely it will be 3.08 or 3.54, mine had 2.73's whooo-hoooo!

That Sucks:D :D :D

I got 80' model 20. Already twisted off driver side axle shaft and twisted the tubes out of my center section. Definetly 2.73 in mine, truly sucked, now 4.56 w/ a helluva truss....excellent...


BTW, Moser makes chromolly shafts for a little over $300, but you have to send them the shafts for them too copy, or at least I did.