I was wondering if anyone has purchased these, how much they are, complete coils and shocks, and what your impressions of them are.

who makes them?

Originally posted by ECF
I was wondering if anyone has purchased these, how much they are, complete coils and shocks, and what your impressions of them are.

Are you talking about the Bilsteins? The only real difference are they are valved for rockcrawling out of the box. They also use some less expensive components that are fine for crawling but would be questionable for racing. At least that is what the rep told me. It was a way to bring the cost down without effecting performance.

how much? what lengths are availible?

http://www.bilstein.com/products/crawler.html

through eshocks.com a set of 4 rockcrawler coilovers (17") w/o coils came to just over 2k shipped ups ground. They were around $400 a peice.
Thats alot of dough:eek:

I want to get some for my s-10 front end soon! What would be better 2" or 2.5"? Weld top or Screw top? Thanks in advance. :D

Originally posted by Shaw
I want to get some for my s-10 front end soon! What would be better 2" or 2.5"? Weld top or Screw top? Thanks in advance. :D

what rocks you planning on going over? you might scratch the paint or dent the chrome nerf bars.

better stick to the mall lots.

The Rockkrawler shox only come in screw top and 2" bodies,I think.You can get springs alot easier and cheaper for 2" bodies,most all racecar stuff is for 2" bodies.

Originally posted by TTURokToy
what rocks you planning on going over? you might scratch the paint or dent the chrome nerf bars.

better stick to the mall lots.

Fuck off BITCH!

I'm sure you had a project at one time... I'm workin' on it.

http://www.plauder-smilies.com/2up.gif

Originally posted by TTURokToy


what rocks you planning on going over? you might scratch the paint or dent the chrome nerf bars.

better stick to the mall lots.

SMACK

:laughing:

Originally posted by bigdude


SMACK

:laughing:

I just love the little clique that you girls have going. What is this... Highschool?

GROW UP!

Four linked S-10

No, we're not in HS, but we still like to make fun of idiots...

YOU HAVE A 5-LINK, CHANGE YOUR FAWKIN SIG!!!!

Fawk, Shaw is still here ?!

I thought we kicked your candy ass back to the other side where it belongs ... www.mycheckbookbuiltmyriganditdidn'tevendoagoodjob .com .

cmk

Originally posted by KYODER
They also use some less expensive components that are fine for crawling but would be questionable for racing.

Like what? I am not sure what you could skimp on in a nice coil over shock that would not affect performance & shock life. That came out a bit funny but yoiu get it...

Originally posted by elf_cruiser
No, we're not in HS, but we still like to make fun of idiots...

YOU HAVE A 5-LINK, CHANGE YOUR FAWKIN SIG!!!!
Not in HS but you still call childish names. Who is the idiot? I will leave my sig the same.

Oh, and thanks for your help with my question. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by cmk
Fawk, Shaw is still here ?!

I thought we kicked your candy ass back to the other side where it belongs ... www.mycheckbookbuiltmyriganditdidn'tevendoagoodjob .com.

cmk
http://www.plauder-smilies.com/eek7.gif http://www.plauder-smilies.com/eek7.gif http://www.plauder-smilies.com/eek7.gif

That was funny... No, really it was. http://www.plauder-smilies.com/countdown.gif

If you don't have any thing useful to post, don't post at all!

Leave me the fawk alone!

Originally posted by magoo117
The Rockkrawler shox only come in screw top and 2" bodies,I think.You can get springs alot easier and cheaper for 2" bodies,most all racecar stuff is for 2" bodies.

Magoo, you da man!

Thanks for the help! :D

Originally posted by Shaw

If you don't have any thing useful to post, don't post at all!

Leave me the fawk alone!

Take your own advice and

SHUT THE FAWK UP ALREADY!!

Originally posted by Shaw
Leave me the fawk alone!

:rolleyes:

why dont you just go away? would be a lot easier for all of us, especially you.

how old are you, maybe 17?

Originally posted by 9V


:rolleyes:

why dont you just go away? would be a lot easier for all of us, especially you.

how old are you, maybe 17?
cause I like the info sharing, not the childish games.

I never post anything menacing or negative! I always try to help others out when they have a question that I know the answer to.

If I post a question, I think I deserve the same respect.

I do not, and I will not crack on anyones ride unless they ask for my honest opinion, and I don't like it. I have never started an argument, but all of you seem to push me into one. Why is that?

I think I am a really nice person, (if you give me a chance) and I am always willing to help anyone out. WTF?

Originally posted by 9V


:rolleyes:

why dont you just go away? would be a lot easier for all of us, especially you.

how old are you, maybe 17?


I think I recall that same phrase being directed at you a few times... and arent you 16? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by cmk
Fawk, Shaw is still here ?!

I thought we kicked your candy ass back to the other side where it belongs ... www.mycheckbookbuiltmyriganditdidn'tevendoagoodjob .com .

cmk

You sure it wasn't a credit card? Oh wait, my bad, you gotta be over 18 to have one of those...

Originally posted by Rerard



I think I recall that same phrase being directed at you a few times... and arent you 16? :flipoff2:

I was thinking the same thing when i read his post.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Like what? I am not sure what you could skimp on in a nice coil over shock that would not affect performance & shock life. That came out a bit funny but yoiu get it...


Think about it, a prerunner or race truck is going to be ALOT harder on shocks than a crawler. The crawler cycles its shocks suoer-slow compared to a race truck going balls out across the desert. Faster cycling => more friction => more heat. Id bet thats where alot of the savings come in. The crawler shocks just simply dont have to deal with the heat. Also, I would bet that a race truck doing 50mph over rough terrain for 30 minutes cycles its shocks more than an entire rubicon trip.

I dont know shit about shocks, but this makes sense to me

Originally posted by fivetenben



Think about it, a prerunner or race truck is going to be ALOT harder on shocks than a crawler. The crawler cycles its shocks suoer-slow compared to a race truck going balls out across the desert. Faster cycling => more friction => more heat. Id bet thats where alot of the savings come in. The crawler shocks just simply dont have to deal with the heat. Also, I would bet that a race truck doing 50mph over rough terrain for 30 minutes cycles its shocks more than an entire rubicon trip.

I dont know shit about shocks, but this makes sense to me

I DISAGREE here. Have you ever taken apart a shock? WTF, is Bilstein gonna save a but load of doe by skimpin on material selection on a 0$.01 piston wear band. Are they gonna be making the pistons out of steel???? I doubt it. It just doesn't make sense. The point I am tryin to make here is that it wouldn't be in the best interest for any shock manufacture to skim on anything. The only thing that MIGHT be different is the valving, but I kind of doubt it.

OK while writing this reply I went to do a little reseach on the shocks and GUESS WHAT...???? The NEW rockcrawler shock is nothing but a 9100 series off road shock that has been made for awhile now. Looks like Bilstein has done a decent job advertising a product thaey allready make to a new demographic.

Not to be an asshole but...........Originally posted by fivetenben

I dont know shit about shocks
You said it not me.

I agree PIG, it seems like a marketing gimmick. I don't care for Bilstein's anyways. JMO...

Originally posted by Rerard
I think I recall that same phrase being directed at you a few times... and arent you 16? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by McSoo
You sure it wasn't a credit card? Oh wait, my bad, you gotta be over 18 to have one of those...

Wanna know my age? Why not check my profile. :rolleyes:

I'm older than both of you. :flipoff2:

To tell you the truth, I came from a dirt poor family and I have put myself through college classes by working in a 120-150 degree factory. I am now pretty successful for my age, and I am working on my Masters degree in electrical engineering.

Shaw, you have got to be THE biggest "little bitch" that I have seen stroll through this board.

You've been told unanimously to get the fawk out because we don't accomodate your kind around here. Despite that, you continue to stick around regardless of the fact that no one likes you!

Face the fawkin' music bitch, it's time to go away. The more you stick around here, the more you solidify your reputation as a little bitch.

cmk

Originally posted by Shaw
To tell you the truth, I came from a dirt poor family and I have put myself through college classes by working in a 120-150 degree factory. I am now pretty successful for my age, and I am working on my Masters degree in electrical engineering.

What the fawk are you trying to accomplish here? Are you trying to make us feel sorry for you? Do you really think you've had it THAT hard in life?! Shut the fawk up little bitch. Your senseless rambling only confirms that you haven't learned jack in life.

Now tuck your tail in between your pussy and leave, little bitch.

cmk

Originally posted by Shaw


I just love the little clique that you girls have going. What is this... Highschool?

Guy laid out a smack that made you look like a poser and an idiot. You didn't come back and defend yourself so that make you look even worse. I called *SMACK*, no click here, i don't know either of you.

Originally posted by cmk
Shaw, you have got to be THE biggest "little bitch" that I have seen stroll through this board.

You've been told unanimously to get the fawk out because we don't accomodate your kind around here. Despite that, you continue to stick around regardless of the fact that no one likes you!

Face the fawkin' music bitch, it's time to go away. The more you stick around here, the more you solidify your reputation as a little bitch.

cmk


Originally posted by cmk


What the fawk are you trying to accomplish here? Are you trying to make us feel sorry for you? Do you really think you've had it THAT hard in life?! Shut the fawk up little bitch. Your senseless rambling only confirms that you haven't learned jack in life.

Now tuck your tail in between your pussy and leave, little bitch.

cmk


BAWAHAHAHAFUCKINHA


SMACK
SMACK

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I tried to show that I have some maturity, unlike you. I have tried to reason with you, but you will not have it. You are nothing but an "internet cool guy". I would be willing to bet that you have no true friends in life. Who the hell would want to be friends with a fuck head like you? You got in good good with the people on this site and now you think that you are better than me for some reason. I guess that is because you don't like my truck. You surely don't know me, and you have never given me a chance. In fact, I don't think that I have been this mad at a person in a long time.

I took part in everything that was done to my truck, and I am proud of my achievements. I have paid alot of money for my truck, and the things that are involved in it, but I have gallons of sweat, blood, and tears wrapped up in it. Yes, I had a mall cruiser that I am converting into a rock crawler. Yes, it still has some chrome, but not as much as it used to (it will all be gone in time). I will continue to work on it until it is worthy of competition. I am just getting started. I am only 21, and everything that I have, I have worked my fingers to the bone to get. Thank you for inspiring me to get it done even quicker. A full roll cage, sliders, front and rear bumper, winch, and new coilovers front and rear are in the works.

BTW, where is your truck? I would love to see it (if you even have one). I hope you compete. I would love to come out and wheel with you sometime. Maybe we will have the pleasure of competing against each other, so I can whip your ass, not only on, but off the course as well. I am not an "internet tough guy" like you, I am stating facts. I hate you, and anyone that follows you. You are the "little bitch" and I will prove it. Fuck you for making me feel unwelcome on this site. I hope you feel like a man.

Originally posted by Shaw
I tried to show that I have some maturity, unlike you. I have ...

blah blah blah

... wiping away a tear

.. quivering lip

blah blah blah

... I took part in everything that was done to my truck, and I am proud of my achievements. I have paid alot of money for my truck, and the things that are involved in it, but I have gallons of sweat, blood, and tears wrapped up in it. Yes, I had a mall have ...

The fact that you admit that you're getting pissed at me shows how much of a little bitch you are. Shaw, you don't even raise my angst level an ioda. You are no one, but a snivveling pussy looking for recognition in the wrong place. The simple solution is to take yourself and your rig to another corner of the web and rid yourself of the humiliation you'll receive here.

Show you my rig ... bwahaha. Looking at your backwards, fucked up "rig-wannabe," you don't even deserve to lay eyes on my handiwork. Besides, I don't owe you jack, little bitch. Come lick my chode and I might let you see a picture of it.

And you can stop trying to play yourself off as someone you're not any time now. Trying to label others doesn't work too well in your favor either, particularly when several people from this board have met me in person and are well aware of the caliber of my character.

Face it little bitch, you aren't even worthy of carting off my empties of Blatz.

cmk

Originally posted by Shaw
BTW, where is your truck? I would love to see it (if you even have one). I hope you compete. I would love to come out and wheel with you sometime. Maybe we will have the pleasure of competing against each other, so I can whip your ass, not only on, but off the course as well. I am not an "internet tough guy" like you, I am stating facts. I hate you, and anyone that follows you. You are the "little bitch" and I will prove it. Fuck you for making me feel unwelcome on this site. I hope you feel like a man.

Uhhhh.... You should really research before you go stepping into shit like this :shaking: I'll let these pics do the talking, you aren't in my league bitch. (spotted Indiana State Rockcrawling Champion '02 Trophy Class, spotted ERoCC Legends Champion '02)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid26/pb459c3c5d08d110ca798a490638044aa/fd82c26e.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid34/pf3a91880c323f02f64cff4f26768041a/fd35f19b.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid34/pdcad22b8793d8a969dcbed2ddcf7a975/fd35f197.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid35/p4a743d9edc3d25acd08466814e297610/fd282dde.jpg

And if you want to try to "whoop my ass off the course" I'm the guy on the left. Spent 2 years in school making guys like you eat pavement while flying out the door of my bar.

http://www.iei.net/~msmythe/images/Comps/bigd&spacegportrait.jpg


*edit* cmk is cool ;)

Originally posted by cmk


Blah blah...
Bitchslaping a punk kid....
..Blah blah...

Face it little bitch, you aren't even worthy of carting off my empties of Blatz.

cmk

WTF Blatz? They still make that sh*t? I thought they outlawed that crap for causing the testicles to drop off lab rats. Man if I ever meet you I'll buy you a real beer.

I guess Shaw that is how you get real sympathy around here, mention you have to drink Blatz beer.

Sorry CMK, I feel like sending you a get well soon card.


Ben

Leaf springs kick ass :flipoff2:



what was this thread again?

This thread has a cool topic but has been destroyed by morons. :flipoff2:

I agree with pig, there doesn't seem like a whole lot they can skimp on. Eitherway, cool shock

CJ

Yeah, it blows when a thread gets completely off topic. My apologies go out to the thread starter, ECF, as my comments have had nothing to do with coilovers.

But, in order to keep this bbs up to snuff, the little bitches have to be weeded out from time to time. Call it flaming or whatever you want, but if the little bitches don't get put in their place, pbb will only go the route of those *other guys*. And I'll be gawd damned, if I'm gonna' roll over and allow that to happen.

Blatz? Oh hell yeah!

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy a quality microbrew (I highly recommend Lakefront Brewery (http://www.lakefrontbrewery.com)) from time to time. But a guy just doesn't garnish the same respect walking around a campground full of wheelers with a pint glass of stout as he does with a sixer of Blatz clipped to his belt. Besides, at ~$4/twelve pack, I can better allocate my funds.

cmk

Not to get off subject but I though that the cost cuttin parts of the "rockcrawler" coilover was the crimped hoses and the cast aluminum resivor housing and baby stuff like that vs. a billet aluminum housing and hose ends. Turns out that you wouln't be savin much money relative to 4 racerunners, last time i priced a set.

like that other guy, bilstiens don't do it for me anyways. i left the coilover idea for 12 crome rs9000's like the s-10 kid

Originally posted by slowJEEP
Not to get off subject but I though that the cost cuttin parts of the "rockcrawler" coilover was the crimped hoses and the cast aluminum resivor housing and baby stuff like that vs. a billet aluminum housing and hose ends. Turns out that you wouln't be savin much money relative to 4 racerunners, last time i priced a set.

like that other guy, bilstiens don't do it for me anyways. i left the coilover idea for 12 crome rs9000's like the s-10 kid

This is what I've heard too! These small items can't add up to that much can it? If I want a bad ass shock, I want a bad ass shock, not the pink version :P

CJ

Originally posted by slowJEEP
Not to get off subject but I though that the cost cuttin parts of the "rockcrawler" coilover was the crimped hoses and the cast aluminum resivor housing and baby stuff like that vs. a billet aluminum housing and hose ends. Turns out that you wouln't be savin much money relative to 4 racerunners, last time i priced a set.

like that other guy, bilstiens don't do it for me anyways. i left the coilover idea for 12 crome rs9000's like the s-10 kid

I cross referenced the part #'s on the rockcrawler shock and the standard 9100 series. Guess what...........? The part #'s are the same.

Originally posted by Shaw
I tried to show that I have some maturity, unlike you. I have tried to reason with you, but you will not have it.
blah blah blah
I think I'm hot shit....
blah blah blah
I hope you feel like a man.

ok I'm not on here too much and I'm not in any "clique", but you, from what I have read in the last page and a half, are a little weenie trying to make people think you're a bad ass by talking about "4 link" and "coil overs" and putting your s-10 into rockcrawling competitions.

Look, some outside advice, shut your mouth and save what little pride you have left. Take you're killer built "competition" rig, put it on a trailer and go to a car show and sit there and rub it with a diaper and let people gawk at it, that suits you a little better than actually wheeling it.
-Nate

Ya know I guess I just don't get it, cause I thought I wanted to know who was running the new coilovers designed for rockcrawling. I wanted to know price and driveability and all I get is a bunch of 3 year olds with the thinnest skin in the world rubbin' their pussies against eachother! So the next time a topic comes up and you really don't have any response to the stated topic why don't you just head over to the chit chat and voice your opinion there! Sheesh! For the rest of you with valid thoughts and opinions thanks.

As far as I can tell, the bilstein rockcrawler shocks are the standard 9100 series shocks, but with valving that works better for rockcrawling. They might skimp on the seals, the hose and some on the coil-over parts. I am just guessing though because I have not seen any detailed specs or what the price is. They might not even be available yet, we should see at Sema.

Generally speaking, the bilsteins are the most expensive coil-over shocks, followed by fox, then king and Swawaway. They are all very similar, It just comes down to brand preference, and who can provide better service and parts.