Wow, what an awsome event. Kurtis, Glen, Tony, and the entire crew, really did a great job this time around.
The courses were tough and were set up to where the crowd could really get into every move the teams were doing.
The teams were great, nearly every class was competetive and came down to the last course to determine the winners.
The vendors were great,..$2 beers, good sandwiches
And awsome spectators both days.
Even the weather cooperated.

Congratulations to everyone who was there, it was one of the funnest events Ive ever been to!!!

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really great event, we had a blast and are looking forward to the next one!

I recuited another ProMod aswell, it will be his first event so I'll sure there will be so crowd pleasing mistakes made :smokin:

I liked not having banners between the courses, allowed for some really interesting lines to open up

Sorry we missed it but we will be up in June. Any pics from the weekend?

Yah, Great weekend! and some crazy dude on the mic...

Just kidding! thanks for the support once again!

Pics are up on other threads.

I recuited another ProMod aswell, it will be his first event so I'll sure there will be so crowd pleasing mistakes made :smokin:

I heard that Tracy Jordan might be out for the next one... if so, that will make more rigs than WE Rock???

The whole weekend was a blast.

I had a great time! This is one of the first events that I have been to strictly as a spectator and it was sweet. This was my first time seeing the Giants Throne area. It was far better than I even imagined. You could see everything from the spectator area. All the drivers looked like they were having a blast. I had a ball hanging out with my kids and just watching. The pulled pork sandwiches were fantastic and so was the service. All the concessions were very reasonable and I ate more than my share. :shaking:

Nice work guys! Made me want to boot Shannon out of the car and run it myself except that she may well have done better than I would have. :D

X2

really great event, we had a blast and are looking forward to the next one!

I recuited another ProMod aswell, it will be his first event so I'll sure there will be so crowd pleasing mistakes made :smokin:

I liked not having banners between the courses, allowed for some really interesting lines to open up

I'll be trying to recruit a few more teams as well. I'm pretty sure the 10 we had are in for the whole season, but more would be good!

Not having course dividers actually worked out really well. Not having any concerns with out of bounds is nice.

Every time I go out to that site I find more lines and more possibilities for great obstacles!

Awesome Event!!!
My dad and I had a blast. First time out at the Giants Throne and i love it there.
I cant wait for the next one! Hopefully i dont cartwheel down any more bonus gates!!!

Like everyone else said, the no banners between courses opened up alot of ideas.

Glad you had a good time Justin! I was watching some of the live coverage, and I was really wishing I could have made it up there!
Scott

Ok since now someone else has said that no banners makes up for making better ideas??? How can this be? Banners are there to make a course a course otherwise why not drive in the start cones and do the course what ever way is possible? There were plenty of lines out there that could been made way easier if you didnt follow the course map. So why are there even course maps for Calrocs if you dont have to follow them??? Has Tony K said to me at the event...."You can go in the start cones and go thru the gates how ever you want??" Again why have maps??

I had a very good time met a lot of cool people, we took over 540 pictures. Here is a link with some pictures, with a lot more to come.

http://www.overrockoffroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=222

Nice job to all that put on the event, and thanks to all the competitors it was a good turn out and I cant wait for the next round!

Hey RP Films Pat,

Thanks for the advice... NOT, By the way, I have some video making advice for you as well :flipoff2:

We'll take feedback from the competitors, you stick to what you do.

Sounds like we could have a 15-ish car Pro-Mod class in the next event or two...awww snap....:smokin:

Hey RP Films Pat,

Thanks for the advice... NOT, By the way, I have some video making advice for you as well :flipoff2:

We'll take feedback from the competitors, you stick to what you do.

In Pat's defense.....

I had no idea until John Hall did it on the last course of the weekend that we didn't have to follow the course flow, and that would definitely change the way I looked at the courses. I thought it worked out fine not having the banners, but that was because everyone was follwing the flow of the course. It seems like we need to have one or the other to keep things from getting out of hand. It didn't cause a single problem that I know of, but I can think of specific examples where looping around gates would have been an invitation to wander well in to the next course.

Hey RP Films Pat,

Thanks for the advice... NOT, By the way, I have some video making advice for you as well :flipoff2:

We'll take feedback from the competitors, you stick to what you do.


Glenn I have been around this support LONGER than you and have WAY more invested! I thought the event was great! You have 6 GREAT judges at your EVENT that are returning guys!!! I was clearly pointing out something that was brought up on the spot.....by one of the TEAMS! I never called out you or your event out! But lets get this CLEAR!! So you are saying it is safe to have it just flat out open courses? It is fair to the teams to have to call time out while on course A4 because B? course was so close and affecting the other A4 course??? I have plenty video of you crying to the Klein's that something wasn't fair!! And why cant you answer the simple question of WHY have a course map if you don't have to follow it??? And feel free to say what you want about my video......I gave you a free copy and had my film crew PAY to come in!!

Hey Pat... want to pay me to come to the next event??? I'll strap a camera to my head. It will be 10 minutes of Red Dragon - You will laugh your head off!!!

Hey Pat... want to pay me to come to the next event??? I'll strap a camera to my head. It will be 10 minutes of Red Dragon - You will laugh your head off!!!

LOL as long as you keep it on at night!!! DEAL!! LOL I was bustin up when I came back later that night!!! You guys were too funny!!

Hey Pat... want to pay me to come to the next event??? I'll strap a camera to my head. It will be 10 minutes of Red Dragon - You will laugh your head off!!!

"I'm sorry, I'm sorry!"

:laughing:

Ok since now someone else has said that no banners makes up for making better ideas??? How can this be? Banners are there to make a course a course otherwise why not drive in the start cones and do the course what ever way is possible? There were plenty of lines out there that could been made way easier if you didnt follow the course map. So why are there even course maps for Calrocs if you dont have to follow them??? Has Tony K said to me at the event...."You can go in the start cones and go thru the gates how ever you want??" Again why have maps??

In Pat's defense.....

I had no idea until John Hall did it on the last course of the weekend that we didn't have to follow the course flow, and that would definitely change the way I looked at the courses. I thought it worked out fine not having the banners, but that was because everyone was follwing the flow of the course. It seems like we need to have one or the other to keep things from getting out of hand. It didn't cause a single problem that I know of, but I can think of specific examples where looping around gates would have been an invitation to wander well in to the next course.

Glenn I have been around this support LONGER than you and have WAY more invested! I thought the event was great! You have 6 GREAT judges at your EVENT that are returning guys!!! I was clearly pointing out something that was brought up on the spot.....by one of the TEAMS! I never called out you or your event out! But lets get this CLEAR!! So you are saying it is safe to have it just flat out open courses? It is fair to the teams to have to call time out while on course A4 because B? course was so close and affecting the other A4 course??? I have plenty video of you crying to the Klein's that something wasn't fair!! And why cant you answer the simple question of WHY have a course map if you don't have to follow it??? And feel free to say what you want about my video......I gave you a free copy and had my film crew PAY to come in!!

Wow, wait a second guys......

I don't know what was going on in Pro Mods, but in Super Mods we may not have had "out of bounds" to worry about, but we did have to go through the gates in the direction that the arrows were drawn on the course map. We couldn't just pic which way to go through a gate, that was drawn on the map. How you got from one gate to the next didn't matter, as long as you did it in the correct direction. Does that make sense? That's how the Super Mods played it and it worked great and made for some really cool "out of the box" lines.


The event itself was killer. The Throne is fantastic and I can't wait to do it again. The Super Mods did a great job I thought. We are a lot wider than most all the Pro Mods and Unlimited rigs but we do the same courses with the same cones. We really have to work to get our rigs to fit between some of the gates and I think as a whole the Super Mod class is really developing into a great class. Huge thanks to ORI and of course the CalROCS crew for making it all happen.

Hey Pat don't feel obligated to come our events. Did I invite you, I don't think so and would never pay to have you there. You need to get off your high horse.

Hey Pat don't feel obligated to come our events. Did I invite you, I don't think so and would never pay to have you there. You need to get off your high horse.

Your partner DID!!!! Riding away on my Stallion!!

Hey Pat don't feel obligated to come our events. Did I invite you, I don't think so and would never pay to have you there. You need to get off your high horse.

And I doubt he will feel obligated to put Calrocs footy in his DVD's from now on....and being one of the few that make these DVD's of our sport....hmmmm....:shaking:

Your partner DID!!!! Riding away on my Stallion!!

Didn't you get that stallion from the Harrah's ranch Pat???

Wow, wait a second guys......

I don't know what was going on in Pro Mods, but in Super Mods we may not have had "out of bounds" to worry about, but we did have to go through the gates in the direction that the arrows were drawn on the course map. We couldn't just pic which way to go through a gate, that was drawn on the map. How you got from one gate to the next didn't matter, as long as you did it in the correct direction.

You had to go through the gates in the specified direction and in the correct order. According to Tony that was the only rule as far as that goes. Most of the guys in pro-mod are used to We-Rock rules and there you can't drive between 2 and 3 to get to 1. You have to drive from the start gates to 1,2,3 then the end gates without crossing between other sets of gates. The way it is drawn on the map is the course flow you must follow. If thats the way its going to be then thats the way its going to be. There are some things that differ from We-Rock and thats fine, but I honestly don't know what all the differences are. Maybe Tony, Kurtis, and Glenn can get the on course rules posted somewhere so we can all be on the same page.

Bottom line, it was a great event and the teams were having fun. I'm hoping people will spread the word about next event because the fans I talked to thought it was a great event to watch.

And I doubt he will feel obligated to put Calrocs footy in his DVD's from now on....and being one of the few that make these DVD's of our sport....hmmmm....:shaking:



Didn't you get that stallion from the Harrah's ranch Pat???


No I just rode it away from the property......It was a wild Mustang sorry! LOL LOL Deb is riding it now!!!!!

Who the hell are you? Stop being a thorn in the side of a great event! I ran all the "A" and "B" courses and never had to stop for a competitor on another course. The lack of course banners neither caused a lack of safety or a issue for me as a competitor. It seems like you have an issue with CalRocs not paying for your services? There were no complaints from the crowd at the awards ceremony, only praise for the great job on the course setup and the event in general. If you want to be a expert, show up and have some first hand knowledge.:shaking:

Who the hell are you? It seems like you have an issue with CalRocs not paying for your services?


Im nobody.....and I NEVER asked for a PENNY to come out there!! I came out there on my OWN dime and filmed FOR nothing!!!!!!!!!:shaking:

AND I clearly stated it was a great event....KINDA hard to have a BAD event at the GIANTS THRONE!! The place it just FLAT out EPIC!!

Hey RP Films Pat,

Thanks for the advice... NOT, By the way, I have some video making advice for you as well :flipoff2:

We'll take feedback from the competitors, you stick to what you do.

Hey Glenn,

You run a really great event! you caught up to WE Rock and may have even passed them in many areas. This attitude doesn't seem that it will allow you and your team to keep an open mind to keep on improving.

Running courses according to the map was definately the intentions of most of the competitors. Having this knowledge will definately change the next event for many of the competitors in our class. I'm intersted in seeing what variations can be thought of by all of us???

Since I am a competitor (and plan to keep coming)... here is some advice:

1. scores, scores, scores - these need to be updated and posted throughout the day. Maybe in one specific place or multiple places depending on event layout.

2. No crying in baseball, NO TIME OUTS in crawling!

3. the judging was pretty darn good - more would be better to help the flow of the day (more action for the fans).

4. I liked to be able to go and load up the trailer before the awards ceremony - maybe a time can be given as to when to expect the awards to start?

5. I really like doing shootouts! I really like doing shootouts!!! Maybe a shootout can be done for classes of 10 or more rigs?

Feel free to take or leave...

Thanks,
Craig

Bottom line, it was a great event and the teams were having fun. I'm hoping people will spread the word about next event because the fans I talked to thought it was a great event to watch.

Seemed like everybody was having a ball...I was too until we broke and I got sick. That place has crazy potential and the view for the crowd is awesome.

Im nobody.....

hey Pat,

I'm the nobody... thanks for coming out and filming! Film some nobodies in your next film - lol

Hey Glenn,


1. scores, scores, scores - these need to be updated and posted throughout the day. Maybe in one specific place or multiple places depending on event layout.

2. No crying in baseball, NO TIME OUTS in crawling!

3. the judging was pretty darn good - more would be better to help the flow of the day (more action for the fans).

4. I liked to be able to go and load up the trailer before the awards ceremony - maybe a time can be given as to when to expect the awards to start?

5. I really like doing shootouts! I really like doing shootouts!!! Maybe a shootout can be done for classes of 10 or more rigs?

Feel free to take or leave...

Thanks,
Craig

I'm with you on score updates, I know it is hectic, but that could improve.

I can understand timeouts for safety, we waited for 2-3 minutes before we started waiting on a rig to make a climb on our 3rd course for fear of a roll into us.

Several of us have discussed the shootout thing in Calrocs...some of us are definately wanting it, some not. Something to think about.

hey Pat,

I'm the nobody... thanks for coming out and filming! Film some nobodies in your next film - lol


Craig I filmed you this weekend!! Great job by the way!! PM your addy bro and I will send it to you!!! Just dont tell RockApe!!

hey Pat,

I'm the nobody... thanks for coming out and filming! Film some nobodies in your next film - lol



He did....Rockape is in them a few times....:laughing:

You had to go through the gates in the specified direction and in the correct order. According to Tony that was the only rule as far as that goes. Most of the guys in pro-mod are used to We-Rock rules and there you can't drive between 2 and 3 to get to 1. You have to drive from the start gates to 1,2,3 then the end gates without crossing between other sets of gates. The way it is drawn on the map is the course flow you must follow. If thats the way its going to be then thats the way its going to be. There are some things that differ from We-Rock and thats fine, but I honestly don't know what all the differences are. Maybe Tony, Kurtis, and Glenn can get the on course rules posted somewhere so we can all be on the same page.

Bottom line, it was a great event and the teams were having fun. I'm hoping people will spread the word about next event because the fans I talked to thought it was a great event to watch.

Ok, I misunderstood what you were saying. Yes, thats also how we ran the courses. I can see where running courses like this might make it tough for video/photo crews to stay on one rig through an entire course maybe, but opens up many more lines for each course and could really make things much more exciting. I do think that if a team is planning on running somewhere that isn't with the flow of the course map they should tell the judge. I know we tried to make it a point to let the judge know what our plan was for a couple courses since the lines were so much different than everyone else. And yes, bottom line, AWESOME event.


Hey Glenn,

You run a really great event! you caught up to WE Rock and may have even passed them in many areas. This attitude doesn't seem that it will allow you and your team to keep an open mind to keep on improving.

Running courses according to the map was definately the intentions of most of the competitors. Having this knowledge will definately change the next event for many of the competitors in our class. I'm intersted in seeing what variations can be thought of by all of us???

Since I am a competitor (and plan to keep coming)... here is some advice:

1. scores, scores, scores - these need to be updated and posted throughout the day. Maybe in one specific place or multiple places depending on event layout.

2. No crying in baseball, NO TIME OUTS in crawling!

3. the judging was pretty darn good - more would be better to help the flow of the day (more action for the fans).

4. I liked to be able to go and load up the trailer before the awards ceremony - maybe a time can be given as to when to expect the awards to start?

5. I really like doing shootouts! I really like doing shootouts!!! Maybe a shootout can be done for classes of 10 or more rigs?

Feel free to take or leave...

Thanks,
Craig

I'm with you on score updates, I know it is hectic, but that could improve.

I can understand timeouts for safety, we waited for 2-3 minutes before we started waiting on a rig to make a climb on our 3rd course for fear of a roll into us.

Several of us have discussed the shootout thing in Calrocs...some of us are definately wanting it, some not. Something to think about.

I also agree with this. Having score updates after each class is done with a course would be a great help to the teams and also better for H8 and the crowd.

5. I really like doing shootouts! I really like doing shootouts!!! Maybe a shootout can be done for classes of 10 or more rigs?

We do get done pretty late in the day after the awards are over. Getting out there and setting up another course can take up to 2 hours to have the walk through and get all the teams finished. The way they have been running us in 2 groups you can really keep track of what the other teams are doing. The last 2 events I did John Hall and I came down to the last course to decide the winner. It wasn't technically a shootout, but when it came down to it we knew what was on the line and most of the fans watching did too (and John always makes it entertaining!). I don't think we need it, but whatever. If we don't get done until 8pm I only have a 20 minute drive back to my house. :grinpimp:

Photo's are posted on our site. (http://www.orireno.com/discussion-forum/?vasthtmlaction=viewtopic&t=13.0)

Photo's are posted on our site. (http://www.orireno.com/discussion-forum/?vasthtmlaction=viewtopic&t=13.0)



Don GREAT PICS!! and I I saw that one you snuck in there!! LOL

I'll concur on the great judging this weekend... at least for our class 40" full bodies. did a very good consistant job for all of us.

having competed in pro-rock in the past, not having banners between course or at least big areas between courses, lets you look at things differently.

we had one course that until we verified that we could approach the gate from either direction, we looked at the hard way cause that's what the map said.

maps are needed so that the feel of the course can be given. Don't stop putting maps up PLEASE. as teams, its our job to know the rules and ask if we have a question if we wanna think outside the box a bit.

Photo's are posted on our site. (http://www.orireno.com/discussion-forum/?vasthtmlaction=viewtopic&t=13.0)

Great shots and awesome event. As a driver I can't think of a better place to wheel and push the limits of the rig, the team, and myself. Thank you so much Don for your support of the sport. And thank you to the entire ORI crew, I'm sure there is a ton of behind the scenes stuff that takes place that none of us sees. Fantastic job!

The issue we are dealing with was not the direction the cones were driven through it is the way they got to the cones they just looped around them to come in from the other side as have done in my past days of competing. Nobody went thru any cones other than the way they were intended period.
Oh Pat you are a liar and I dare you to produce and post the video of me whining to the Klien's like you say. Oh and I hope you waste a week of your time doing so. Put up or shut up. As for you calling some name drivers and trying to discourge them from coming speaks volumes about you and your support of the sport.

Great shots and awesome event. As a driver I can't think of a better place to wheel and push the limits of the rig, the team, and myself. Thank you so much Don for your support of the sport. And thank you to the entire ORI crew, I'm sure there is a ton of behind the scenes stuff that takes place that none of us sees. Fantastic job!

Thanks man!

I'll concur on the great judging this weekend... at least for our class 40" full bodies. did a very good consistant job for all of us.


For the stock mod's, the judging was consistent for all 8 courses for the weekend, but not what we were used to from years past. We had some difficulty and head banging against the wall to figure out what was going on.

In the future, I'll check with the judges at the begining of the event to figure out how many progression points are possible, and how bonus gates are scored, and how hitting cones effects both progression points and bonus points.

I had a fun weekend, and will be back in 3 weeks.

I am the course designer for Calrocs and I do try to leave everything on the table for the teams to think outside the box.

The maps are used to help the teams see the direction the gates must be entered from just in case someone has placed the cones backwards (remember the numbers always face the vehicle as he enters the gate). The maps are also helpful in showing the bonus gates because we often use 3 cones to do both a primary gate and it's bonus option gate. But I really try to leave as much open space as possible so teams can try different ideas.

Jessie is refering to the a-3 course where teams were allowed to circle all the way around the b-2 course in order to turn around. Honestly when I set those courses I didn't think anyone would go that way. There was a simple way back down but someone out thought me lol. No worries....the team followed the rules and it was fine.

I hate the boundary lines between courses. The last few events I've set (not just for Calrocs) I've left the interior lines out and allowed for common area between courses. It's worked excellent. There is far less complaining about who went too far out of bounds and all that subjective stuff. I will continue to set the courses like this whenever possible.

At each event we do often have "special" rules for that event. Some of those "special" rules are used at every event. An example of that is the cones being "live" both ways when we use them for a gate 1 up hill and a gate 3 downhill bonus line like we had on B-2 this weekend. It is our responsiblility to tell the teams about those special rules in the driver's meeting. I do hope that is always done. The teams can ask the judge before they start a course for any "special rules" or other information about that course. Sometimes a course is "judged" incorrectly for the first driver and then we must do it incorrectly for everyone else. It's important the teams know that information before starting. Please always ask your judge for the details.

Looping gates is another rule that is "special" to Calrocs at most events. Team can drive anywhere on their course to get to the next gate as long as they don't pass through a gate getting there. It's not complicated. In fact it makes things much easier to judge and many more options on how you can achieve your goal. No interior boundaries opens that up a little more.

If there is a seperation area needed between courses it is my responsibility to set that line up. I won't always see all of them before an event. But I'd say overall these were probably the most fun courses Calrocs has had in years not only to watch but to compete on. Thank you to all the teams who came out. If you have any advise for me on a better way to set courses or what you'd like to see more of, please send me a PM or an email anytime. I do value everyone's advise and it is my goal to make this fun and challenging for the teams and to make this a fun product to watch.

Thanks again to everyone who came out to watch and to run

See ya in a few weeks

Tony K

CalRocs is doing it the "old way". It was that way for a number of years and even RCAA ended up doing that in the last year before UROC took over when they realised their "direction flow" (vehicle running forward or backwards thru a gate in the proper compass direction) was 100% subjective...After UROC took over, it was back to course flow, but still poorly defined. W.E.ROCK clarified things and used it to the competitor's liking to keep the courses a bit more apples to apples when comparing one team to the next. Overall, I believe the teams preferr it but again, it's just different, not a major thing that will change the face of the sport.

Pro Rock did not ever use course flow...NO course flow, unless Bob came up to you and told you you had to go a certain way. Pro Rock was a toss of the coin to know who would win, not based on points, but because they were too loose in how you did courses. It was a fun event, but pretty pathetic if you came expecting to be compared to another team. Course flow had a bit to do with that, but really, it was the overall way they enforced things that was the root of the problem. Thoise that competed in Pro Rock know exactly what I'm talking about.

Again, course flow versus going anywhere you please...just different, not better, not worse, different.

My personal preference as a course designer is to make things more challenging by pre-thinking every possible line and forcing them into the more difficult ones. That is done easier and more effectively with a course-flow and still allows for enough creativity based on where you put the course markers and the next gates. Hell, often enough we see smart guys like Jordan running three times the distance to get from A to B but because of the course flow, it actually challenges guys like him even more in his thought process.

My preference is course flow but in the end, with or without, the teams just need to know what's up BEFORE the event starts.

If CalRocs wants to do things that way, good for them. If competitors don't like it, they'll speak up and CalRocs will change it. Glenn, you know the deal...you took Pat a little too much to heart on HOW he said things, not WHAT he said. If you look back, he said he likes the way CalRocs is doing things but man, to think that people from inside and outside of the industry shouldn't carry weight with their comments...dude...you already know you don't want go down that road...

As for Pat from RP Films, he has a hot wife. :evil:

Oh, and for those that don't know him, he's seen the transition from one method to another as an integral part of the sport for a full decade...he's been to more events than most, so yes, he has some good info to share. He just came across as blunt and many of you don't realise he's been there too...since the early days. His point is accurate that it becomes less challenging when you open things up on the course. However, something he should have followed with was, "but if CalRocs wants to give teams chances to find an easier way thru courses just to see what teams come up with, that's their perogative."

Again, not incredibly better or worse, just different.

We do get done pretty late in the day after the awards are over. Getting out there and setting up another course can take up to 2 hours to have the walk through and get all the teams finished. The way they have been running us in 2 groups you can really keep track of what the other teams are doing. The last 2 events I did John Hall and I came down to the last course to decide the winner. It wasn't technically a shootout, but when it came down to it we knew what was on the line and most of the fans watching did too (and John always makes it entertaining!). I don't think we need it, but whatever. If we don't get done until 8pm I only have a 20 minute drive back to my house. :grinpimp:

I agree, a shootout will never work without more judges or something causing faster flow through the regular courses on Sunday!

I hope to make the last course and shootout with you and John next time! If not, I'll be coming to you to build me a rig that can beat you (just once) - lol

I'd love to do a shootout !!

Does anyone remember where the concept of a shoot out even came from?

Answer: Back in the old days, rock crawling events had 7 courses each day. That fell to 5 per day a few years later. And then finally to 4 per day with the promise that the top 6 would have 2 more courses called "the shootout". It was the comprimise for teams who wanted lots of courses but event organizers who didn't wanna finish in the dark ever night.

I love the idea of more courses. I love the idea of allowing the top teams to go after some big course challenges. The struggle is always the same.....when the car count gets high and the judges aren't right on top of the teams to be ready to run, we get behind. The 2010 season opener for Calrocs went very very smooth! The teams are much more prepared than in years past. Keep up the great work guys. And lets add some shoot out courses !!!


Tony K

I hope to make the last course and shootout with you and John next time! If not, I'll be coming to you to build me a rig that can beat you (just once) - lol

I guess I need to keep beating you then. :D

Does anyone remember where the concept of a shoot out even came from?

Tony K

About one hundred other sports? :dustin:



The reason for the shootout was simply to provide a place for the top few teams to be sure the crowd and media had a chance to get their eyes on them, and to put the true "show" into the sport as crawling is so difficult to follow points-wise. Running them in succession makes it easy to follow and brings a ton of excitement/drama if done correctly.

When the Kleins started CalRocs, they used to do a Saturday "qualifier", and Sunday the top 10 teams carried their points over and went head to head. It was easier to follow on Sunday but teams wanted more than just one day of courses IF they did not qualify for Sunday. The swapped to everyone doing all courses but took notes from sponsors, fans, and media that they still needed to use some form or manner to see the top teams head to head, at least on one final course. A number of people addressed it back in the day...a number of people made suggestions to this effect. Mello had brought up sand drag style elimination as an example at the UROC Roundtable, I had been asking UROC and CalRocs for a media and fan geared shootout, Darrel Motley had tried to get UROC to do one, and that's prolly not all of the people pushing for SOME kind of shootout. Ranch and Mark were set in stone for the first two year, Bob Hazel was against the idea, then finally the Kleins decided it would be worth a shot. About the same time, UROC came up with their concept of "elimination" rounds...that never flew as again, too many teams got cut short on courses.

That said, a shootout is a blast but will it benefit CalRocs at this point? Maybe, maybe not...

CalRocs would occasionaly do a timed, dash for cash, such as at Chimmney Peak, the crowd and teams loved those also.

How about you bring back the "Monet Pit" instead? :grinpimp:

CalRocs would occasionaly do a timed, dash for cash, such as at Chimmney Peak, the crowd and teams loved those also.

That was fun...I forgot about those!

How about you bring back the "Monet Pit" instead? :grinpimp:

Yeah, I did the blindfold on Money Pit course once...couldn't believe we finished that course...then, Skinny comes outta the blue and does the bonus line blindfolded and beats us by a point. :laughing:

I think Shupe is still owed from his St George Money Pit climb.

My hat goes off to Glenn, Kurtis and Tony K. Great event! Great courses! Kepp it up and we will see you at the next one. Don't change anything.

A few more pics ...

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/201005_CalROCS/IMG_0291.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/201005_CalROCS/IMG_0306.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/201005_CalROCS/IMG_0342.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/201005_CalROCS/IMG_4470.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/201005_CalROCS/IMG_4587.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/201005_CalROCS/IMG_4631.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/201005_CalROCS/IMG_4664.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/201005_CalROCS/IMG_4700.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/201005_CalROCS/IMG_4826.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/201005_CalROCS/IMG_4829.jpg

more to come ...

Scott

Great pics Scott:smokin:

The last 2 are wicked.....and the one above that of my spotter is sweet too :p

Great pics Scott:smokin:

The last 2 are wicked.....and the one above that of my spotter is sweet too :p

Thanks. I have quite a few of your team. I'll round them up and upload them tonight or tomorrow. :)

Scott

I had a great time! Thanks to everyone for making my first comp so much fun! I learned a lot and can't wait for next month!

I'm lovin the pics! I wasn't able to get many so please post em up!

Thanks to the BSW crew for catching these shots with my camera. These are pretty much the only pics I got from the whole weekend. Did anyone get video by chance??

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/HotJimmy/Wheelin/Reno12010015.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/HotJimmy/Wheelin/Reno12010016.jpg

Heisman pose:laughing:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/HotJimmy/Wheelin/Reno12010017.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/HotJimmy/Wheelin/Reno12010018.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/HotJimmy/Wheelin/Reno12010019.jpg

I got a few good ones, but I was scrambling to hide behind a rock when you started to roll right next to me. I'll work on them tonight and upload asap. I have some other cool pics of you from the weekend.

Glen, Curtis and Tony.....Keep doing what you are doing!!!Cal-rocs doesnt have to be Werock or any other crawling event....it can be its own thing!!!

I liked the no banners....but did not know I couldnt run the coarse different from the map......

Just a coarse rule clarification for the next round and let do this damn thing!!!

I found a nice slideshow on youtube:

YouTube - CalRocs Reno - Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzMWr66j_U0)

I got a few good ones, but I was scrambling to hide behind a rock when you started to roll right next to me. I'll work on them tonight and upload asap. I have some other cool pics of you from the weekend.

Sorry:homer:, we knew it wasn't going to be very graceful getting out of there.
Jason, my spotter, thought he was far enough away, but....:laughing: Good thing he's got quick reflexes

Hey Scott glad to have you back and nice job Charlene on the slide show. Many thanks need to go out to the people that made this possible. We have so much to do in the next 2 weeks I won't have much to be on here. GOTTA GO

Relentless Motorsports Team 104

Wow what a comp. The courses were some of the best we have ran. You had to think about how to get from point A to B. Alot of options made it fun for teams to have different lines and ideas. Some worked some not so well. Kurtis, Glenn, Tony, And all the vollunteers keep up the good work. I think all of us forget you are all out there because you want to be not because you have to be. Don At ORI you have a great spot to wheel. Thanks for opening it up for us to enjoy.

Special Thanks to:
Cal roc's
kmc wheels
wheel pro
TK 1 Racing
Redwood coast fuels
Branik
franks fine foods
ect.
All the crew that keeps this car together
All the friends and family that keeps track of my kid's

Thanks to the BSW crew for catching these shots with my camera. These are pretty much the only pics I got from the whole weekend. Did anyone get video by chance??


I got two tiny pieces of video on my camera during your roll, I'll see if I can get them loaded up. I was trying to zoom in to hopefully get rid of the washed out look, and you started to move so I hit record again. Cheap point and shoot camera won't let you zoom while recording:shaking:
Travis..

killer pictures! I can not wait till the next one! congrats to team 104, Kevin had a great save on the 1st run on sunday. hopefully i'll get to do a little recovery then.

I got two tiny pieces of video on my camera during your roll, I'll see if I can get them loaded up. I was trying to zoom in to hopefully get rid of the washed out look, and you started to move so I hit record again. Cheap point and shoot camera won't let you zoom while recording:shaking:
Travis..

Thanks

Here are just a few of the pictures we got from CalROCS I will be posting more on my OverRockOffRoad.com soon.

Pics of day one.
http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%201/DSC_4.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%201/DSC_21.jpg

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http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%201/DSC_0047.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%201/DSC_64.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%201/DSC_84.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%201/DSC_109.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%201/DSC_115.jpg

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http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%201/DSC_128.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%201/DSC_0152.jpg

Pics of day 2
http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%201/DSC_0079.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%201/DSC_0108.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%201/DSC_0131.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%202/DSC_0160.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%202/DSC_0173.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%202/DSC_0176.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%202/DSC_0192.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%202/DSC_0196.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%202/DSC_0206.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%202/DSC_0252.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%202/DSC_0255.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%202/DSC_0266.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss323/jrw7072009/CalRocs%202/DSC_0296.jpg

I had a great time! Thanks to everyone for making my first comp so much fun! I learned a lot and can't wait for next month!

I'm lovin the pics! I wasn't able to get many so please post em up!

Thanks to the BSW crew for catching these shots with my camera. These are pretty much the only pics I got from the whole weekend. Did anyone get video by chance??

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/HotJimmy/Wheelin/Reno12010015.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/HotJimmy/Wheelin/Reno12010016.jpg

Heisman pose:laughing:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/HotJimmy/Wheelin/Reno12010017.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/HotJimmy/Wheelin/Reno12010018.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/HotJimmy/Wheelin/Reno12010019.jpg












glad you like my photo snazzy skills :D to bad i wasnt closer

Hey Scott glad to have you back and nice job Charlene on the slide show. Many thanks need to go out to the people that made this possible. We have so much to do in the next 2 weeks I won't have much to be on here. GOTTA GO

Thanks, I'm glad to be back. You, Kurtis and the entire team always put on a great show.

Onto more pictures ... here's the full series of Brian's save ...

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4996.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4997.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/ScottBigHouse/Events/Calrocs/20100515_Reno/IMG_4998.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4999.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_5000.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_5001.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_5002.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_5003.jpg

Scott

...

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4863.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4857.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4861.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4909.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4929.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_5106.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4947.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4956.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_5075.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_5172.jpg

Scott

...

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4892.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4893.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4894.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4896.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/ScottBigHouse/Events/Calrocs/20100515_Reno/IMG_4897.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4898.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4901.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4903.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4913.jpg

Scott

Scott your photography speaks for its self BAD ASS. I cannot believe you don't do it for a living. Thanks again

Great pics Scott, pure awesome :smokin:

The series of Justins roll is wicked.....and the last one of him with the horns up and his Dad in the background with his arms up is sweet :)


Can't wait to see what you come up with in 3 weeks :beer:

Thanks for the kind words guys.

more pics ..

I'm pleading the 5th as to what H8 is staring at .. :D
http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_0366.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_4641.jpg

Shannon had a smile the entire weekend.
http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_5016.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_5030.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_5132.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_5143.jpg

http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_5228.jpg

Scott

Awesome pics like always Scott!!!
My dad is such a poser!!!! HAHAHAHA

Thanks for the kind words guys.


I'm pleading the 5th as to what H8 is staring at .. :D
http://www.bighousephotography.com/pics/20100516_CalROCS/IMG_0366.jpg

Scott

Well somethings got my attention enough to leave me al least momentarily speechless!

Well somethings got my attention enough to leave me al least momentarily speechless!

You know H8, I know I'm all super sexy and shit, but you've really got to stop looking at my butt. :flipoff2:

You know H8, I know I'm all super sexy and shit, but you've really got to stop looking at my butt. :flipoff2:

Your thong firesuit was just to much to resist!

I bet it was the ORI girls :grinpimp:

Scott, great pics as always.... although there are two of them I would rather not have seen:flipoff2:

I bet it was the ORI girls :grinpimp:

I'm not so sure those girls worked at ORI. :p

I'm not so sure those girls worked at ORI. :p

But they were definatly "working":p

:laughing:

I was gonna say.....they did for at least 2 days :flipoff2:

What was up on sunday, the mic appearently wasn't off and someone was talking to a chick about touching her boobies:D Anyone else hear that, or know what was going on?
Travis..

What was up on sunday, the mic appearently wasn't off and someone was talking to a chick about touching her boobies:D Anyone else hear that, or know what was going on?
Travis..

Couldnt have been me, I would always go for a two handed manuever and the mic would have been far behind, laying in the dirt. :evil:

Scott, thanks for all the great photography! When you get a chance, can you PM me with info on getting some pics from you. Thanks, Tim

Scott, thanks for all the great photography! When you get a chance, can you PM me with info on getting some pics from you. Thanks, Tim

Hey Tim, you might want to talk to Dustin, I believe he already has what you're after. If not, let me know and I'll hook you up. Cheers. :)

Scott

although not as good as the pics from Scott... but, some good videos IMHO

YouTube - Reno1 Sat C2 roll.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUpHhksDVmg&feature=player_embedded)

Your lucky you didnt crush your arm:eek:

Your lucky you didnt crush your arm:eek:

Rick was VERY lucky that rock was under the front fender, saved his arm/hand IMO. scared the shit outta me :eek: I kept filming but was going to stop the 2nd I saw if he was hurt. he wasn't and they were able to finish the course too

Window netting is the next purchase :flipoff2:

Your lucky you didnt crush your arm:eek:

I agree 100%. Very lucky. Not only was the arm out, but it was wrapped around a tube. The way I feel, if you feel like you need to grab something to keep from sliding around in your seat, then you need to tighten your harness. I have taken many rolls with both hands on the steering wheel and never had a problem, but of course I can hardly move at all when I'm strapped into the seat. Having your harness actually tight enough to keep the driver from sliding around should be enforced more, IMHO. I have seen drivers in the past with a loose harness so they could move around and see more....guess what....that's what you have a spotter for! IMHO this is a safety concern and should be addressed asap.

It gives good arguement for having window nets, no doubt. As a driver I don't want a net but can totally understand why, if they are ever required. The reason we didn't compete in Oroville was because they were making the buggies have window nets but not the other classes. We didn't feel that was right at all. If you require window nets in one class, then all classes should be required to have them. Everyone out there is just as likely to rollover as the next guy.

If drivers don't want window nets to be required, then drivers need to learn to tighten their harnesses up and drive like professionals and keep your hands and arms in the rig at all times.

rant off

in his defense he did NOT believe us he left his arm out and hand on the tube. We were able to plug the camera into the tv at the hotel and have him and his wife come by to watch it ;) Instinct overrides knowledge when shit happens fast :(

that's stupid only having one class required to have netting :shaking: anyone can roll

true on if the harness is tight enough you can't move. glad I got it on film and it's a LEARNING experience for him instead of what could have happened

I agree 100%. Very lucky. Not only was the arm out, but it was wrapped around a tube. The way I feel, if you feel like you need to grab something to keep from sliding around in your seat, then you need to tighten your harness. I have taken many rolls with both hands on the steering wheel and never had a problem, but of course I can hardly move at all when I'm strapped into the seat. Having your harness actually tight enough to keep the driver from sliding around should be enforced more, IMHO. I have seen drivers in the past with a loose harness so they could move around and see more....guess what....that's what you have a spotter for! IMHO this is a safety concern and should be addressed asap.

It gives good arguement for having window nets, no doubt. As a driver I don't want a net but can totally understand why, if they are ever required. The reason we didn't compete in Oroville was because they were making the buggies have window nets but not the other classes. We didn't feel that was right at all. If you require window nets in one class, then all classes should be required to have them. Everyone out there is just as likely to rollover as the next guy.

If drivers don't want window nets to be required, then drivers need to learn to tighten their harnesses up and drive like professionals and keep your hands and arms in the rig at all times.

rant off

Very good points and all the teams should be willing to give and accept any critisism to keep the sport as safe as it has become.
As safe as the rigs and rules have come since back when I had my violent rollover at donner, (one arm out of my loose harness to allow me to lean out and watch my tires, which was common practice back then), it still has to be said that driver training, experience and team implementation must be the most important to avoid injuries on these very steep type of courses.
I love announcing for all of you guys, and the thing I hate most doing is calling for Mike and Cricket to a course to help an injured person.
Keep it safe everyone!

Yes, constructive criticism is welcome by all and we take it well.

yeah, we got lucky, and we're learning from it.

there's a lot of trail riding habits that don't need to stay in comps, but, we're already making adjustments.

glad nobody was injured. I have the relentless motorsports car that we built last winter. In the shop we went back and forth about the window net thing. I have taken some roles with a big hard hit with metal to rock contact and it may not knock you out completely but it knocks you stupid. My window nets are very simple and visibility is not an issue. After I have ran them I will never take them off. If anyone is interested in the materals I used let me know. I can find were I bought the stuff. In my opinion in this level of rock crawling we should have window nets. The last thing we all want is to see one of our fellow competitors loose something. I had a spotter loose half a finger once in pro rock days. It sucked.

524329

Your lucky you didnt crush your arm:eek:

Yah, or we would have called you "Pig Finger 2"

524329
you guys did very well with that net. it was very nicely done.

all in all, We should be doing barrel rolls during the comp in the first place :D

both myself and the driver however aren't just blowing it off. we are serious about keeping each of us safe.

you guys did very well with that net. it was very nicely done.

all in all, We shouldn't be doing barrel rolls during the comp in the first place :D

both myself and the driver however aren't just blowing it off. we are serious about keeping each of us safe.

:confused: maybe that's what you meant? ;)

Thanks CalROCS, ORI, the crowd, the competitors, and who else I forgot, This was my first event and I had a blast. The wheelin was sick, I even had to test my wheeling skills getting the moterhome in the camping area! LOL. Everyone was very helpful and I cant wait until the next one, (Donner for me).

Go bj

Here's the vid clips I have.
Travis..
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z283/catrav/th_MOV05026.jpg (http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z283/catrav/?action=view&current=MOV05026.flv)
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z283/catrav/th_MOV05025.jpg (http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z283/catrav/?action=view&current=MOV05025.flv)

glad nobody was injured. I have the relentless motorsports car that we built last winter. In the shop we went back and forth about the window net thing. I have taken some roles with a big hard hit with metal to rock contact and it may not knock you out completely but it knocks you stupid. My window nets are very simple and visibility is not an issue. After I have ran them I will never take them off. If anyone is interested in the materals I used let me know. I can find were I bought the stuff. In my opinion in this level of rock crawling we should have window nets. The last thing we all want is to see one of our fellow competitors loose something. I had a spotter loose half a finger once in pro rock days. It sucked.

I run my window nets in all comps, even if there not required yet. cheap insurance IMO. but I might be bias, my spotters name is "pig finger" :shaking: so I learned from his mistake.

the right nets dont affect visability and dont cost that much, net was $60 custom made to fit the opening on the buggy and a couple sticks of cold roll steel.

X2 on tight harness's, holding yourself in should never be a concern in the back of your head.

And finally, I did hear the conversation on the P/A, I think it ended with "hey your mic's on" followed by "shit, really" :D:laughing:

And finally, I did hear the conversation on the P/A, I think it ended with "hey your mic's on" followed by "shit, really" :D:laughing:

Hey at the 1st event I announced for CalRocs a few years ago at Browns Ravine, I did accidentally leave my mic on in my back pocket while I went into one of the toilets for about a 2 minute wiz,...what an idiot!!!

Lol!

I found a nice slideshow on youtube:

YouTube - CalRocs Reno - Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzMWr66j_U0)

Good Video!

I run my window nets in all comps, even if there not required yet. cheap insurance IMO. but I might be bias, my spotters name is "pig finger" :shaking: so I learned from his mistake.

the right nets dont affect visability and dont cost that much, net was $60 custom made to fit the opening on the buggy and a couple sticks of cold roll steel.

X2 on tight harness's, holding yourself in should never be a concern in the back of your head.

And finally, I did hear the conversation on the P/A, I think it ended with "hey your mic's on" followed by "shit, really" :D:laughing:

x2 on the nets and x3 or the harnesses

My nets are the old skool RCI big ones and I can't see much out of them.....but that's what my spotter is for.....he's gotta earn his keep :grinpimp: Safety first :)

Hey at the 1st event I announced for CalRocs a few years ago at Browns Ravine, I did accidentally leave my mic on in my back pocket while I went into one of the toilets for about a 2 minute wiz,...what an idiot!!!

LMAO :lmao:

I do remember heading up the bonus on A3 and hearing on the P/A how good Craig Thompson was doing...........on A3!! :flipoff2:

aahhhhh good times, cant wait to go back, I did hear something about a live band and "adults only" party on saturday night :smokin:

Adults only party.......can I come :p

I have a fake ID :grinpimp:

But they were definatly "working":p

The girls working at the ORI beer tent are friends, girlfriends and wives of our crew!

But they were definatly "working":p

The girls working at the ORI beer tent are friends, girlfriends and wives of our crew!

OOOWWWWWW, ouch! somebodys a real DICK!!.:stirthepot:......................Brian :flipoff2: :lmao:

So they were "volunteering"... better??:p

I appreciated the free beer they gave me... I also appreciated the "view" also:flipoff2:

Now I will appreciate the foot in my mouth:flipoff2:

i was going to say check out the nets and shoulder bar on team 104's rig but he beat me to it

... I do remember heading up the bonus on A3 and hearing on the P/A how good Craig Thompson was doing...........on A3!!...

That's right succa - oh wait you are Yellow too! Maybe I'll be called Aaron Sykes this time?

That's right succa - oh wait you are Yellow too! Maybe I'll be called Aaron Sykes this time?

Hey Im not getting any younger, my eye sight and memory are nearly shot, would it be too much to ask for one of you guys to paint your rig bright pink or something so that I can tell you apart from a distance?

NOT IT!! Craig, the ball is in your court :smokin:

NOT IT!! Craig, the ball is in your court :smokin:

:shaking: We already tried the pink :barf: thing on Brandon's rig... and it gravitated to Yellow!

:shaking: We already tried the pink :barf: thing on Brandon's rig... and it gravitated to Yellow!

So your saying that having a yellow rig is just as gay as a pink rig? :flipoff2: At least with a pink rig you can say your wheeling for a cause.

So your saying that having a yellow rig is just as gay as a pink rig? :flipoff2: At least with a pink rig you can say your wheeling for a cause.

HAHA ya, take that Craig............wait, hold on.................:flipoff2::flipoff2:

Ouch... see ya out there!