93 inches with tires and wheels. I think it is fine but I just thought I would see what everyone thought. remember will have rear steer and wont be used for comps. Also added more pics to my website!!!

Not too wide IMO, considering that the only thing touching the ground will be the brake rotors. What are they, about 70", that's not bad. It's gonna throw sparks when you go over all those Waco train tracks, though. And I dunno how the traction will be at Flat Creek?

BTW, here is a crappy drawing of what I was trying to explain for the coil-over frame issue. HTH...

http://members.cox.net/weshanson/Leeframe.JPG

l8tr biatch!

Damn, that's a newbie post. Who cares?

I am now 87" and I would NEVER have thought that this width would have worked well in places like Clayton but the width is great.

93" will be great....

Hey Jeeper111, What have you done for the tie rod? I tried fliping mine so it was on top like yours, but the holes and rod ends were tapered, so I just put it back underneath. I would like to get mine on top.

JYS

Originally posted by Junkyard Slug
Hey Jeeper111, What have you done for the tie rod? I tried fliping mine so it was on top like yours, but the holes and rod ends were tapered, so I just put it back underneath. I would like to get mine on top.

JYS

He's running heim joints. Looks like he probably drilled it out and ran a spacer.

Looks Good Lee, but when will it be ready? I did the brakes and drive shafts yesterday and all I have left is shocks and touch ups, and I will be driving it today or Thursday, Wheeling it Sat. and Sun. Just thought I would rub it in alittle.

Thanks Daniel. Actually for the tie-rod I am switching to a 500wall 2inch OD because if it is going to be back there it had better be strong. I am running the tapered inserts from wagoner in the back. In the front I am actually switching to a double throw because the dual ram setup on top of the axle takes up too much room for the suspension to work. 350Samurai, you need to come down here to Waco and wheel on some wet ass rock for a while man. You use way too much gas for that shit. If you can wheel well in the wet rock you can wheel anywhere. And dont bother with the "at least my truck wheels" bullshit. I have been wheeling my truck on wet rock for years and you guys who have local places with dry rock are spoiled. Just ask elf_cruiser. He is one of the newly spoiled!! TXSE when are you going to send me some pics man. I will throw them up on my site and throw a link to this board for you. :D:

i am running 93'' wide at the rear right now and it feels great, better than ever. but i did smack a few trees the last two times out. but i did not get held back anywhere because of width. mike

Originally posted by jeeper111
350Samurai, you need to come down here to Waco and wheel on some wet ass rock for a while man. You use way too much gas for that shit.

Unless you have been in that spot on that trail, you have absolutely no idea what you ar talking about. Why do you think it's called "Slickrock"? It's not just because it's wet :rolleyes:

It's only too wide if you run alot of tight wooded trails...Around here that width would get you stuck at most entrances...It is entertaining watching fullsize trucks pivot on their long beds around trees to make it through some spots...

But if your wheeling is more open rocks and such then it looks like you're off to a great start!

I think Ramsteins' rig Grape Nuts is around 91". You might ask him how he likes it.

Originally posted by jeeper111
93 inches with tires and wheels. I think it is fine but I just thought I would see what everyone thought. remember will have rear steer and wont be used for comps

too wide???

no way, man. i'm 100" wide and sometimes i think i'm not wide enough....;) :p

would'nt have it any other way, unless ofcourse you wheel only in the woods:D

93" is absolutely beautiful

You're joking right:confused:
Did you not see the video of him on SlickRock in the RAIN the other day.
Have you ever heard of Tellico. Nah, it's never wet there. It's kinda like wheeling in Arizona :rolleyes:

Originally posted by jeeper111
350Samurai, you need to come down here to Waco and wheel on some wet ass rock for a while man. You use way too much gas for that shit. If you can wheel well in the wet rock you can wheel anywhere. And dont bother with the "at least my truck wheels" bullshit. I have been wheeling my truck on wet rock for years and you guys who have local places with dry rock are spoiled. Just ask elf_cruiser. He is one of the newly spoiled!! TXSE when are you going to send me some pics man. I will throw them up on my site and throw a link to this board for you. :D:

ummm, 97 inches outside of tire to outside of tire, i like it! jiMMy

I like mine wide, I wouldnt have it any other way;)

Hey Jeeper111, looking good. When will you be up!?:confused: Cant wait to see that thing in person.

Frank

Hey jeeper111

I am starting a similar project on a toyota. What are you going to use for tires and wheels? What are you going to use for your rear steer? I am going to be driving through waco this weekend are you going to be around? I'd like to see what you have got going in person.

I was looking at my front rockwell last night and though about swaping sides with the nuckles to get my tierod higher. Was I just really drunk or might this work? Has anyone done this or should i just try it and see if it works?

Todd

toytoddy, try it!! I have looked at doing the same thing, but like you, I dunno if it'll work. Try it and let us know what happens!

I will when I get it all cleaned up and ready to put back together and I will post pics if it works.

Todd

Originally posted by Spank
I think Ramsteins' rig Grape Nuts is around 91". You might ask him how he likes it.

92" wide... Works bitchen on the trails, but sucks for comps. We wedged the fawk out of it last weekend.

Originally posted by bigdude


Unless you have been in that spot on that trail, you have absolutely no idea what you ar talking about. Why do you think it's called "Slickrock"? It's not just because it's wet :rolleyes:

are you a newbie or someshit, slickrock has ass loads or traction with the rubber tires we use today. People called it slickrock because the metal on the wagon wheels had no traction.
Everyone should have to wheel where there is NO traction at least once. If i was Sami I would have been too embarassed to put that video up because, it is horrible driving.:flipoff2:

swamper, you shifty nigger, you need to come wheel AZ, you'll NEVER go back to Flat Creek, hehehe. So, when do YOU think Lee will be done with his Heep?? 6 more mths? a year? Will it even go back to AK in 1 piece, or will it be shipped in several crates???

Hey asshole how many times you been up SLICKROCK. You ought to try getting you head out of your ass before you start typing. I suppose the water thet runs down the rocks to the bottom where all the mud is just stays there while after you go through it to get to the rock not to metion all that gets slung up there tring just to get to it. Tim might not have did a good job driving but I was not riding with him or even there so I am gonna keep my mouth shut on the subject. The funny thing is you are gonna get flamed morer for running your man pleaser then Tim is for posing the video. I dont know WTF you are using for rubber but I think you been sniffing the vapors way yo long.BTW have a great day.

Todd

what we have here is failure to communicate. Slickrock by definition is that shit that's all over moab, where treaction is excellent. Apparently this obstacle happens to be called "SlickRock" because it is slick, but it is not comprised of Slickrock, persay. btw, jeeper111, swamper502, and myself all learned how to drive on wet limestone, so we do know what it's like wheeling on snotty rocks.

simple misunderstanding...

Originally posted by swamper502


are you a newbie or someshit, slickrock has ass loads or traction with the rubber tires we use today. People called it slickrock because the metal on the wagon wheels had no traction.
Everyone should have to wheel where there is NO traction at least once. If i was Sami I would have been too embarassed to put that video up because, it is horrible driving.:flipoff2:

BWAAAHHHAAAHHHAAAHHHAAA

What the fuck are you talking about? There were never any metal wagon wheels on that trail, it's a damn logging road.:rolleyes: I hope that is a joke, because if it's not, it's one of the stupidest things I've heard. This is straight from the Tellico ORV website:

Tellico ORV Area was donated a couple of decades ago by a logging company and consists of 12 trails of varying lengths and difficulty. The trails consist of rocks, mud, big rocks, ruts, loose rocks, steep hills, rock ledges, a few water crossings, highly eroded dirt "walls" with roots and rocks protruding from the sides (sidewall eaters) and rock gardens. The easy trails can be run with stock vehicles, vehicles that do the medium trails should have 33" tires and a rear locker, the hard trails require 35" tires, front & rear lockers, winch, and a disregard for body damage. Our "hard" trails are quite different than the ones out west; with they're near perfect traction. More times than not, you'll find the trails at Tellico to be wet with several of the hardest obstacles have seeping springs located right at the base of them. Ultra low gears are not needed here and sometimes hurt more than they help, as wheel spin is required to clean the tires and heat up the rubber in hopes that they will stick to the wet rocks. You will see a lot of local rigs here with 300 horsepower and tires in the 40"+ range. These big rigs (locally called hybrids or cab trucks) are what keep our trails interesting. When they "hammer down" they tend to move large quantities of rock and dirt, so the trails are in a constant state of change. Therefore, the "line" that worked for you on your last trip, may not be the correct approach the next time out. That's what makes this place such a hoot to ride…it's always changing!



I said at the beginning of my post that there was some driver error. If you look at the video again and look at me, you can see me rubbing my eyes. I had just gotten a big clump of Tellico dead center in the eye. I'm not making excuses, because I don't have to. I messed up and should have steered more to the right, but all I was thinking was hurry and get to the top and get this shit out of my eye.

I posted it because it's always cool to see someone mess their shit up(who would watch Nascar if nobody ever wrecked ;) ) and just wanted to share with everyone.

So shutup and go away...and quit being an asshole.

jeeper111,
I've never seen much but piss and vinegar from your post and replies to others. So now, do you want us to answer honestly?

JR, I liked your unedited reply first! ;)

damn, and i thought 76" wide was gonna be too much

Brawler,
Thanks, ;)

my heep was 84" wide and i didnt mind it so much. it depends on the trails also. fordyce and rubicon have some narrow spots that 93" wide would be a pain in the ass. if your trails are more wide open, i'd say you'll love the width;)

i would never want to be anywider than 80 outside to outside, im 72 and would never go wider

Originally posted by swamper502


are you a newbie or someshit, slickrock has ass loads or traction with the rubber tires we use today. People called it slickrock because the metal on the wagon wheels had no traction.
Everyone should have to wheel where there is NO traction at least once. If i was Sami I would have been too embarassed to put that video up because, it is horrible driving.:flipoff2:

I'm going to assume this is the misunderstanding someone mentioned earlier and bite my tongue.

As was mentioned earlier the obstacle is called "Slick Rock". It's solid granite with natural springs running onto it. The slick rock you speak of is sedimentary, and yes I know it's full of traction. It is typically called sandstone or clastic sedimentary rock.

93" DAUUM, you guys could never wheel in WV, not that you would want too, they are all poser trails. I am at 78" and rip flares and my windshield up all the time. It must be nice to run wide trails.

I actually forgot how wide the tellico trails are, it was nice not getting smacked in the face with limbs.

Slick Rock in tellico is just that Slick as hell, i could not imagine it in the rain as 350samurai did. After the first rig goes up the slime factor multiplies exponentially.



jeeper111, if your trails are wide, i say go for it.

Originally posted by elf_cruiser
simple misunderstanding...

I was writing when you posted that, so if it was a misunderstanding, then I retract all the cuss words. :D

Elf, you got a tough job being the mediator for all your buddies. You're kind of like the boxing referee at the bell at the end of the round, having to jump in there with your hand up. :D

Originally posted by elf_cruiser
Slickrock by definition is that shit that's all over moab

No. By definition the stuff is all over Moab is clastic sedimentary rock called sandstone. There is no geological definiton for "slickrock".

There is no geological definiton for "slickrock".

You're right, but the "wheeling" definition is what i posted, 'cause i think this is a wheeling website :flipoff2:

350sammy - yeah, i like trying to stay neutral when we get into these little spats, unless someone knocks the rockwells, then they are going down...

btw, you weren't exactly bringin your "A" game on that video, but it's still fun to watch. You should come and wheel in TX, the terrain here is similar...

Originally posted by elf_cruiser


You're right, but the "wheeling" definition is what i posted

Obviously that's NOT the accepted wheeling definition or there wouldn't have been a misunderstanding so :flipoff2:

Out here in the east you say "slick rock" and EVERYONE thinks of Tellico and that obstacle. You say "out west" and they think of clastic sedimentary rock known as sandstone.

i'll be about 96' wide with
rockwells with the hubs flipped out 79.5 +
20x13 rockstomper beadlocks with 7' of backspacing 91.5 +
michelin 52x17.5 xl's = 96

shouldn't look to bad under a k5

:eek:

Originally posted by k5ryanNC
i'll be about 96' wide with
rockwells with the hubs flipped out 79.5 +
20x13 rockstomper beadlocks with 7' of backspacing 91.5 +
michelin 52x17.5 xl's = 96

shouldn't look to bad under a k5

:eek:



Are you going to do something to those tires to help make them flex? Not that it is a big problem but I have gotten to mess with some of those before and thought about putting them on my yota until I realized how stiff they are. I did also see one that had alot of cutting to it and it was softer but still:confused:

By the way :flipoff2: welcome newbie

unless someone knocks the rockwells, then they are going down...

ROCKWELLS SUCK. :flipoff2:

I think Slickrock actually has more traction in the rain than any other time. I know it sounds ridiculous but if it rains enough it'll wash off the thin dust layer that always sits on the rock and then spinning the tires will dry out the small portion of rock under the tires allowing you to get traction. I have done this trail countless times in the past years and I've always had an easier time in the rain than when its just muddy and wet. At least that's what I blaming it on this time. I pulled up to the ledge on Sat and hit it hard, 2nd gear 4000 rpm. Not only did I not make it but when I fell back off the ledge I exploded the rear DS, joint, pinion yoke and bent the left rear spring. I would have never done that in the rain.

BTW, Sami350 that's an awesome video, everyone that slides into that hole from the top rolls. Just glad you and the truck are alright. Later

Bigdude, I can't believe you didn't set that guy straight. That's the easiest I've seen you take it on anyone.

Originally posted by FULLSIZE


ROCKWELLS SUCK. :flipoff2:


BITE ME:flipoff2:

'75 powerwagon under construction:

hey fullsize, I'm not the dumbass that has too many tcases... Think about it, you could have a 4:1 Klune-V instead of both of those 203's, have a lighter rig, shorter driveline, and spent less $$


sounds like someone made a boo-boo:flipoff2:

lighter? are you serious? i'm not street racing. besides a klune is how much? at least i have brakes on all 4 corners!:flipoff2:

hey dodge lover................ i've got brakes at all four corners of my rockwells so what the crap are you talking about!

the buddie of mine i bought them from was nice enough to do some cool groving on my sidewalls to make them flex a little better. also have close to a 6k pound rig and 13inch wide beadlocks so that adds to it to!

at least i have brakes on all 4 corners!

ohh yeah! Well my single brake has 6.72 times more power than one of yours. that means that my single brake still has almost 70 percent more stopping power than all 4 of yours combined... so:flipoff2:

also, how much did you spend on 203 cores, and adapters? The full klune setup would be about $2300...

hey fullsize why didn't you replace that dinky 360 with something that will move your heep instead of putting in 3 (count the levers in the floor bud) transfercases. not being judgemental i just thing 2 was enough for me????

Originally posted by k5ryanNC
i'll be about 96' wide with
rockwells with the hubs flipped out 79.5 +
20x13 rockstomper beadlocks with 7' of backspacing 91.5 +
michelin 52x17.5 xl's = 96

shouldn't look to bad under a k5

:eek:

Why are you running 13" wide wheels with those tires? Those are way wide for those tires. The 16.00R20XL's width at the bead with no wheel is 10". You are going to stretch them out to 13"? I hope you have double bead locks on those wheels, or else I bet you will be losing the inner bead all of the time.

Also, the XL's are only 16.5" wide.

Sean

hey dodge lover................ i've got brakes at all four corners of my rockwells so what the crap are you talking about!

um, i was talking to elf cruiser who only has 1 rear pinion brake. and it was just a joke. i love you chevy guys. get all bent out of shape.

hey fullsize why didn't you replace that dinky 360 with something that will move your heep instead of putting in 3 (count the levers in the floor bud) transfercases.

no trouble with moving the dodge bro. there are more types of wheelin than what you do. thats why i have 2:1, 4:1 and 6:1. its called control. out here where we have almost perfect traction, we can get away with crawling at or near 0 mph. and you cant add either:
4spd = 1
203 = 1
203 = 1
205 = 2
total = 5 shifters sticking through my floor. :rolleyes:

also, how much did you spend on 203 cores, and adapters? The full klune setup would be about $2300...

i would almost think you were on it, except your way off:
203 cores - $0
wagoner adapters(2) - $750 ea.
205 - $300

wow, really close. oh and they wont warranty a 4:1 klune in a fullsize truck. can only run the 2.6 ;)

thats why i have 2:1, 4:1 and 6:1.

a little slow in math class today??

you have 2:1, 4:1, and 8:1, not 6:1:flipoff2:



and you cant add either:

pot, this is kettle, come in pot - you are black!

i would almost think you were on it, except your way off:

OK, i didn't realize that you bone the NP203 fairy every night, and get those things for free. As for the warranty, psha! riiiight!

well funny you should bring that up, i could in theroy get 6:1 with second gear, single low range.:flipoff2:

as for the 203 fairy, how'd you know? accually its chevy and ford guys that hate dodge stuff and give it away. ;)

I don't think 93" is so bad.

Cough rockwells suck Cough :flipoff2:

Cough rockwells suck Cough

aawwww, we need to go wheel man, I've never even met you before, though. You're name's Wes right?? mine too...

Alone, I will convince the world that rockwells are good...

go get'em tiger.:D

Originally posted by elf_cruiser


aawwww, we need to go wheel man, I've never even met you before, though. You're name's Wes right?? mine too...

Alone, I will convince the world that rockwells are good...

HAHAHA I'm sure you will. Actually I wouldn't mind running a set of rockwell axles. I'm just a poor high school kid with his junk not rolling. The little words above my avatar is how far away my rig is. And yea my name is also Wes.

Wes

that's cool man, all rigs are under cunstruction, even if they are rolling! We are planning a run for next weekend, so I'll be sure to let you know. We're hoping to have coyote's POS running by then too, so there'll be someone for you to ride with...

Sweet. I live like a mile away from matt. drop me an email or something when it gets closer.

Wes