It is about time to start thinking about who is going to the Chile Challenge '03. It will be held February 19th through the 22rd '03, in Las Cruces NM.

Here is the LC4WDC's page on the event:
http://www.zianet.com/lcfwdc/chile.htm

(they are even giving away a Jeep Wrangler)

Anyway, the sign up forms are not avail. yet, but should be soon. I will let everyone know.

I propose the same trail order as in years past:

Habanero Falls - wednesday
Tabasco Twister - thursday
Patzcuaro's Revenge - friday
Rocotillo Rapids - saturday

This has worked out good in the past

Anyway, you can post here or email me privately at billritchie@kingwoodcable.com, and I will get a roster posted on the internet somewhere.

Should be a great year this year, with many "new" old rigs (Doug M's, Greg J's ?, and others).

As far as lodging goes, Sandi and I usually stay at the Hampton Inn (good local, right next to a prerun gas station). And they don't mind if you wrench on the trucks in the parking lot.

Thats it for now,

Billster
billritchie@kingwoodcable.com

Anyone, Anyone?

Here is the list so far for attendee's

Bill Ritchie - D110
KC and Larry Carpenter - D90 and or Early Bronco
Johnathan Tisdale - D90
Troy McNeil - D90
Doug Marbourg - Dsomething
Ben Tanner - D90
Chris Hinkle - D? Hybrid
Yousef - D90
Alan Dobbs - Unimog 411
Ashley Hunziker - D90
Greg Jevne - Rock90
Mike Slade - Serious One

Possibles -

Rich Hills - D? (are you out there Rich?)
Kansas Smokers ? (come on down guys!)

Billster

I want to go but I don't know if I'll have my junk together in time

Still considering it.....

What, is it about a 12 hour drive from Vegas to Cruces?

I just for the first time looked up the map and saw where it is.

I just might have to bail on that considering how far away it is.

IF IF IF I can tie it into a scouting trip to NM, then I *might* be able to go. I'm still mulling it about in my mind (hate to fence sit, but.....).

There is the matter of 6 tires to entice you Mike!

Billster

I'm with serious one on this one. I think it's about 8 hours for me. Denver to Las Cruces? I don't think it will happen. Not too mention my lack of big tire would keep me off of most of the trail.

j

The Mexican food alone is worth the trip...only 25 hours each way for me:D :D

Johnathan

I'm in. I'm buying both front, rear 3rd members, and rear axels from Shane. Do you guys recommend upgrading my front axels or stock will do just fine. I might run the 35's or the 37's. Also do I have to have a winch for the challenge?

Depends on your driving style. I would say with 35's and a light foot and minimal front locker usage, you are okay.

You can run without a winch, but there are winch only obsticles on just about every trail, and you will be strapped up those. Doug M. went winchless for a few years at the CC.

Glad to here you are coming along.

Billster

If I can get the time off I'm going to go. We'll see what happens have to put in for leave after the first of the year. I think I'm with Tis 25+ hrs with a stop in Dallas to fix stuff that I'm sure I will break by then.

-ben

Originally posted by Serious One
Still considering it.....

What, is it about a 12 hour drive from Vegas to Cruces?

I just for the first time looked up the map and saw where it is.

I just might have to bail on that considering how far away it is.

IF IF IF I can tie it into a scouting trip to NM, then I *might* be able to go. I'm still mulling it about in my mind (hate to fence sit, but.....).

There probably will be some nice cruisers to play with there in case the rovers can't make it ;)

Originally posted by Jason M


There probably will be some nice cruisers to play with there in case the rovers can't make it ;)

Hehe.

Well, you've seen me in action and know that I'm basically just a wimp, so....

:flipoff2:

(he's my neighbor, so it's ok....)

Originally posted by Serious One


Hehe.

Well, you've seen me in action and know that I'm basically just a wimp, so....

:flipoff2:

(he's my neighbor, so it's ok....)

Yeah, and I can move steel V8's with my bare hands ;)

Seriously, A bunch of cruisers are going to be there too. And perhaps some mogs as well.
The challenge shoudl be a very good time..
:D

Sheeze RR. You're bitching about Denver to LC in a RANGE ROVER? Man...

S1, Don't worry about the haul...1/2 the drive and stay at my place on the way down...We'll leave from here first thing a.m., and be in LC in 4.5 hours max.

Ya' won't need a winch...Just get between two who have them...If you have spare birfs, (and can change them QUICK in the field) then run the 37's...If not then stick with the 35's. You'll do fine.

O'yea. Don't let the "EXTREEME TRIAL" designation scare you. It's really not all that bad. Rotocillo is the toughest IMO, and even then it's not as bad a Penrose (IMHO).

One last thing (too much halloween candy!), I think we should scrap Habinero falls...That trail is just way too short. I say we run one of the other three twice...Maybe:

Patzquaro's
Twister
Patzquaro's
Rotocillo

Or:

Twister
Patzquaro's
Rotocillo
Rotocillo

That way if someone breaks on any of the day's they won't miss the killer stuff the following day's...Plus you'll get a chance to clean the lines you missed the first day on Rotocillo on day 4!


--D

D,

Remember I'm just running 235/75/16's -or- my 31x10.50x15 swampers, so are you *sure* I can do the CC???

I mean, yeah, I knew I could do UH, but those pics of the CC make UH look like a cake walk. I was thinking 35's were the norm, and I'm way under that.

If I have a place to crash half-way it wouldn't be too bad. Incentive would be the wagon-train we'd create would be too f-in cool to not do it.

Still fence sitting....

Shouldn't you be out trick-or-treating????

Man I'm digging this snappy server speed!!

S1, you should have at least 33's...But I'm sure you could dig something up by then. If not permanent, then temporary.

Again, don't let the pics and descriptions fool you. The trials are primarily wide open. Meaning you don't have nasty squeezes, and lean-overs into rocks and such. Mostly LC is a bunch of big ledge climbs with a serious break-over associated with them. The name of the game is about a 104+ wheel-base, and a healthy amount of lift/clearance....Tip-over isn't a major concern with 99% of the main trails there (again IMHO). Narrow track helps on Petzquaro's...But not necessary...Major lift/clearance helps on all the trails...But again, not necessary. 35's are nice, but everything can be done on 33's if you don't mind getting hung up more than the big tire guy's. Body damage is all a matter of how crazy you want to get. If your mellow (and a good driver), you'll come out without a scratch. Start pushing the envelope and you might get a ding or two, and at worst a flop. Most of the obstacles don't have a major penalty associated with them (read several point roll).

--D

Well pretty much no chace of me going, so Mike the 34's are yours to borrow if you need them.

-Jeff

Originally posted by RockRover

Sheeze RR. You're bitching about Denver to LC in a RANGE ROVER? Man...

Man I'm digging this snappy server speed!!

S1, you should have at least 33's...But I'm sure you could dig something up by then. If not permanent, then temporary.

Again, don't let the pics and descriptions fool you. The trials are primarily wide open. Meaning you don't have nasty squeezes, and lean-overs into rocks and such. Mostly LC is a bunch of big ledge climbs with a serious break-over associated with them. The name of the game is about a 104+ wheel-base, and a healthy amount of lift/clearance....Tip-over isn't a major concern with 99% of the main trails there (again IMHO). Narrow track helps on Petzquaro's...But not necessary...Major lift/clearance helps on all the trails...But again, not necessary. 35's are nice, but everything can be done on 33's if you don't mind getting hung up more than the big tire guy's. Body damage is all a matter of how crazy you want to get. If your mellow (and a good driver), you'll come out without a scratch. Start pushing the envelope and you might get a ding or two, and at worst a flop. Most of the obstacles don't have a major penalty associated with them (read several point roll).

--D

Ok, clarification time other "RR" (rockrover). I would not be bitching. My wife however? VERY possible. I just hand the kid my lap top and a dvd/star wars game and he's set. Plus the dog has to be coped with. Ok, enough whining. I'll bring it up, and see if I get shut down.

Thanks for the clarification on the trails. I run a lot of stuff here in CO that the 33-35 minimum is in effect for. I need to get better skids for the tranny/cats, but I don't mind draggin belly on skids. It's the diff's that are a pain.

I really appreciate the real word advice that you gave Serious one. That makes alot of difference. It makes me consider the time more. IF only on 32's, how much lift would you say is doable then? I am very close to 5 in the front, and at 5 in the rear.

TIA

j

We can chat about the run order and such, what do you think Rich?

As far as tire size goes, we did have a Sami with us that was on 31's on Habanero, and a Cherokee that was running 32's on two of the trails year before last (who spanked us on some of the falls). They seemed to do okay with proper line choice.

Your diffs are pretty bulletproof, Mike, I think you would do fine. You could send me some wheels and I will get these MTR's mounted for you so you had some 32" tires (235/85/16's). Or Alan has some 16x7" wheels we could mount them on for cheap (about $60 wheel).

Alan Dobbs is also coming with his 411 Mog (you know the one with the 65" wheelbase).

Anyway, later for now,

Billster

btw. I haven't heard from you Doug M. that you are a definite? Will the truck be ready in time?

O'yea, she'll be ready by then...Heck, she's ready enough now (see other post). The issue now is whether or not it will still be in ONE piece by then. ;)

I am defininte...The only little tinny wennie little issue that might crop up is the fact that my wife and I are expecting our second kiddo' January 15ish. If my wife hasn't recovered well enough (of course) I'll bag the trip. If she's fine I'll take our first kiddo' with me and give my wife a break and take-off for a few days. I think you get the picture!

--D

I'm tryin to get my shiat together to make it..

Hopefully!!!

-John

John-

Bring it and fix it in the parking lot like last time!:D :D :D looking forward to wheeling with you again.

Johnathan

PS- Kyle you and your boys are in right... or are those crawler boxes just for looks:eek: ?

Originally posted by Jtisdale

PS- Kyle you and your boys are in right... or are those crawler boxes just for looks:eek: ?

Damn JT! That sounds like a SMACK call-out!!

Cool...Let's get it awn!!

--D

Originally posted by FrankenRover


Alan has some 16x7" wheels we could mount them on for cheap (about $60 wheel).



Does he have any Wolf wheels? I need some for the crew-cab. IF he does, I'll zip him a visa # and have him bring them to you to get mounted on those rims.

I should cal him.....

Ok, Here's the list of stuff that must be done before I go:

1: unpack all the boxes in our new house (non-negotiable)
2: Clean out garage (need to find rover parts)
3: Pull out front and rear diffs in my D90, replace R&P sets
4: Get new Ashcroft crawler box
5: install said box
6: Build up our D90 #2
7: Get new trailer to haul both
8: find the money to pay off all this shiat.

-John

Call me whipped, but I am out.

I got the "stare o' death" or some call it the "do you like getting laid?" look.

j

My humble suggestion is to go wheeling and make up any short cummings (no pun intended) by going to shotgun willies!

Way

Here is an updated attendee's list:

Bill Ritchie - D110
KC and Larry Carpenter - UniMog, D90 or Early Bronco
Johnathan Tisdale - D90
Troy McNeil - D90
Doug Marbourg - Dsomething
Ben Tanner - D90
John Putnins - D90
Chris Hinkle - D? Hybrid
Yousef - D90
Alan Dobbs - Unimog 411
Brendon Loveday - D90

Possibles -

Mike Slade - Serious One
Greg Jevne - Rock90
Rich Hills - D? (are you out there Rich?)
Matt Peterson - D90, or Rockbuggy
Kansas Smokers ? (come on down guys!)


Billster

ps. Still no entry forms on the website, and I have not recieved one yet either. I will let all those on the list know when the time comes.

Here is another teaser pict:

See Mikey, short wheelbase are welcome too. :flipoff2:

It looks more impressive when the horizon is straight!

Still fence sitting.....

I'm actually contemplating this event. Sounds interesting. Although it is 10 hours from my house. I'd better bring lots 'o spares.... An plenty of Motor and Tranny mounts for everyone!

Ahhhh...Memories! Did Brandon WORK that section or what!? I think he just couldn't believe that he wouldn't make that section...Gota' love that kind of intensity!

-D

104" wheelbase and 38" tires should work perfectly on that ;)
Hopefully I will have some friends from Florida coming out with some Mogs as well.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1017773


Are there any easy trails that a stock d90 could tackle without any risk of bodydamage?
I would like for my father to tag allong but he will not if damage is possible :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Jason M

Are there any easy trails that a stock d90 could tackle without any risk of bodydamage?
I would like for my father to tag allong but he will not if damage is possible :rolleyes:

PLENTY! Lot's of good 'fun runs' availiable...Even two wheel drive's are welcome on some of them!

--D

i thought rocitillo rapids was still a winch only trail.. no "put yourself between two with winches" allowed? unless its changed since i was there last.

Damn wish i could go, but we are going to PHX the week after to run a bunch o trails.. oh well.

I am the President of SWFWDA, So I reckon I will be there, Hey you al ought to purchase some rafle tickets for the jeep we are giving away there.

why would we want a jeep? so we can sell it to support our rover habit?:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

-ben

are yall raffling anything else off useful? Like winches lockers ect?

Easy Ben...Typically there are a TON of raffel items at the CC...Set's of tires, whinches, ARB compressors, lockers, winch lines, Klune tire deflators, and about 100 of 'little' items. The CC has historicaly been a huge event. With the comp schedule being what it is these day's, IMO, the numbers have declined a bit, but that's better IMO in a lot of ways.

Easy Ben...Typically there are a TON of raffle items at the CC...Set's of tires, winches, ARB compressors, lockers, winch lines, Klune tire deflators, and about 100 of 'little' items. The CC has historically been a huge event. With the comp schedule being what it is these day's, IMO, the numbers have declined a bit, but that's better IMO in a lot of ways.

Screep. You are still correct. Rotocillo is stil a "winch only" trail. Although I didn't carry one and only needed the strap once. Buddy up with the trail leader(s) during the first couple of days, then prove your driving skills and they MIGHT look the other way when Rotocillo comes around.

I LOVE THE AF!

ARFRRRRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!

I got back to Cali on Thursday and they said "Welcome back, here's your deployment pager!"

Anyway, I'm out. I'm on call for Homeland defense from now until the end of March. I'm stuck within a 6-hour recall radius. I guess I'll just have to work on getting all my projects done so we can make the CC for '04. Maybe I'll get some snow wheelin' in the Sierras too since I can be back from most of those trails in about 3 hours. :)

Worst part is that Michelle was anxious to get out there too! I had her convinced that all of you guys would be a blast to hang out with. I'm still not sure how I managed that!!

Anyway, these guys are making me actually work and at home I'm prepping for Turkey day as most of you are too, I'm sure.

I'll be lurking for a bit...

-John

Hey all! I'm a long time lurker here and finally decided to register. Anyway, as far as the CC goes count me as a possible. It will be a long trip from the DC area, but I have a long time to rest.

Collin a.k.a. Diesel to some of you.

P.S. Just in case any of you really care, I drive a '97 XD (who coulda guessed) with F&R ARBs, Rovertym bumper, sliders, 3" lift and an assortment of other goodies. :flipoff2:

another person from DC huh? Well it's a possibility that I might have a rig and a trailer by then to tow it, so if you are going to the cc definately keep in touch with me cause I might have enough room for two trucks on the trailer.

-ben

Well, since I'm also a lurker from DC (Arlington, actually), I might as well post up too. Ben, lemme know when you get that trailer, I need to steal one for a day to pick up that chassis.

Tony

oh yah, '94 90, 35" swampers, rockware suspension, etc.

Ben,

You and I actually met down at the MAR on the Island. I was talking with Rovertym when you rolled up. We discussed your suspension setup for a while. I will stay in touch. I like the trailer idea for that trip out west to Las Cruces.

Collin

Here is an updated attendee list:

Bill Ritchie - D110
KC and Larry Carpenter - D90 and or Early Bronco
Johnathan Tisdale - D90
Troy McNeil - D90
Doug Marbourg - Dsomething
Ben Tanner - D90
Chris Hinkle - D? Hybrid
Yousef - D90
Alan Dobbs - Unimog 411
Ashley Hunziker - D90
Greg Jevne - Rock90
Mike Slade - Serious One

Possibles -

Rich Hills - D? (are you out there Rich?)
Kansas Smokers ? (come on down guys!)

Billster

My d90 will not be ready for this years CC. I'm shooting to have it ready for Colorado at the end of the summer (Mt. Blanca, Independence, etc.) However, I'll come out and watch on Saturday.

Rich Hills

I might have the G streetable by then, but certainly not ready for serious trial use. I might come just to see a bunch of old friends and knock back a beer. Give the G a good road trip too.

http://www.wehenrys.com/gwagen/38s.jpg

Flippin bad ass Q!!

Run the 38's dude...Just do CTM's and 4340 shafts in that 44...You'll be fine!!!

Congrat's on your little one man!

Diane and I are expecting our 2nd at the end of Jan! (might be tough to make the CC too, but I'm gonna' try!)

--D

2nd one on the way? Man, we'll have kids only a month apart. Did you know Matt Peterson had his first just a few weeks ago? Man, the stork must just be into 4x4's recently.

Matt's not sure those 38's will work, but man doesn't it look awesome with them?!? Time (and money) fix all things. So if not now, maybe down the road.