In one of the endless atheist misinformation preachings on here, it was pronounced that "In God We trust" was added to out currency in the 1950's as part of the reaction to communism. Your attention is directed to exhibit "A".

http://www.thecoincollectingden.com/images/MorganDollar.jpg

The Morgan dollar is actually pretty unique in its depiction of the phrase.

Here's a 1928 peace dollar coin:

http://www.coinsdaily.com/view_item.php?item_id=397&referrer=browse.php%3Fnode_ids%3D119%2C106

1914 bill:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2hq9PNsZ6Q8/Sy6XeHmzprI/AAAAAAAABE4/MQucipSkpx0/s400/IMG_7065.JPG

modern bill:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/10_doller_bill_of_usa_new_2005_back.jpg

the phrase is always on the backs of paper currency, with the date on the fronts, in case you want to claim otherwise on the 1914.

Although, the modern quarter, first minted in the 30's, also has in God We Trust...and it's on the front. But older quarters didn't have it. I guess the jury's out on this one. maybe the true argument is that it was included on EVERY form of US currency in the 50's?

Although, the modern quarter, first minted in the 30's, also has in God We Trust...and it's on the front. But older quarters didn't have it. I guess the jury's out on this one. maybe the true argument is that it was included on EVERY form of US currency in the 50's?

Thinking the true argument may be that the 1950's is when the US adopted it as the motto instead of E Pluribus Unum? That would be my guess, as it sure looks like IGWT was on coinage prior to the 1900's.

Thinking the true argument may be that the 1950's is when the US adopted it as the motto instead of E Pluribus Unum? That would be my guess, as it sure looks like IGWT was on coinage prior to the 1900's.

But not all-inclusively as it is today. Either way...if the US motto was initially meant to just show a gathering of many into a singular nation, that kinda helps the argument. The "In God We Trust" was indeed adopted as the motto in 1956 and required a Congressional vote. motives behind it? Yeah.

A law was passed by the 84th United States Congress (Public Law 84-851) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956. President Dwight D. Eisenhower approved a joint resolution declaring In God We Trust the national motto of the United States.[3] The same Congress had required, in the previous year, that the words appear on all currency, as a Cold War measure: "In these days when imperialistic and materialistic Communism seeks to attack and destroy freedom, it is proper" to "remind all of us of this self-evident truth" that "as long as this country trusts in God, it will prevail."

Apparently the super-religious founding fathers didn't see the need to put it on the nation's currency...it happened much much later. hell, it wasn't even on any US coins until post-Civil War. I do understand that the reason it wasn't there before is because the founding fathers didn't want the US government to have any affiliation with any specific religion. That's pretty obvious to any 3rd party observer.

the alleged argument referred to in the OP may be flawed, but that doesn't mean it's completely false.

In all fairness, guilty of being inflamatory statement, but not argumentative.

the alleged argument referred to in the OP may be flawed, but that doesn't mean it's completely false.

I simply state what others posted, and direct the viewer to Exhibit "A". Not all money all the time every time. The OP was in response to the statements that IGWT was added in the 50's, and that IGWT was not part of our heritage. That belief is incorrect, as shown in Exhibit "A".

Do you have pics of older coins ??? Don't care either way what they say .....

Edit: Here's Wiki, which I don't use as a credible source, but until somone finds a better one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

In God We Trust is the official motto of the United States, the U.S. state of Florida and the Central American nation of Nicaragua.[1]
The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. The motto first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin, followed in 1866 by the 5 cent nickel (1866–1883), quarter dollar, half dollar, silver dollar and gold dollars. It did not become the official U.S. national motto until after the passage of an Act of Congress in 1956.[2][3] It is codified as federal law in the United States Code at 36 U.S.C. § 302, which provides: "'In God we trust' is the national motto."

In all fairness, guilty of being inflamatory statement, but not argumentative.



I simply state what others posted, and direct the viewer to Exhibit "A". Not all money all the time every time. The OP was in response to the statements that IGWT was added in the 50's, and that IGWT was not part of our heritage. That belief is incorrect, as shown in Exhibit "A".

the term "argument" was simply to mean that it was a point of contention. You did reference an "argument" made by "atheists" to discount the nation's founding on religious footing. If by "heritage" you mean post-Civil War United States,then you're correct. But the phrase was definitely NOT part of Revolutionary War heritage.

And like I said: The argument may be flawed, but that doesn't discount it completely. The facts were simply misstated.


Do you have pics of older coins ??? Don't care either way what they say .....

http://www.coinsdaily.com/view_item.php?item_id=101&referrer=browse.php%3Fnode_ids%3D119%2C106
http://www.coinsdaily.com/view_item.php?item_id=139&referrer=browse.php%3Fnode_ids%3D119%2C106
http://www.coinsdaily.com/view_item.php?item_id=402&referrer=browse.php%3Fnode_ids%3D106%2C108
http://www.coinsdaily.com/view_item.php?item_id=407&referrer=browse.php%3Fnode_ids%3D106%2C108
http://www.coinsdaily.com/view_item.php?item_id=458&referrer=browse.php%3Fnode_ids%3D106%2C108

You get the idea. :p

In one of the endless atheist misinformation preachings on here,

Wow, talk about a bullshit quote. :shaking:
I remember that post, and it was yesterday, and it wasn't anything to do with
atheist preaching. It was a response to an erroneous assertion that this country
was founded as a christian nation.

You really do need to learn how to read better.

I line from the post ...............................

"In God We Trust has only been an official national motto until 1956."

. I don't remember reading any of your shit yesterday {gary}. Don't flatter yourself, asshole. Since you are a web super dewper sleuth, and use that skill as a condescending put down on those you disagree with, why don't you post up the link where I read your shit ??

I was looking for my 1878 silver dollar and remembered the saying on the coin.

The coin was given to me in the 70's by a WWII Air Corps veteran.

Thats why I started a new thread.

I do recall the statements I am referring to but they were not made by you, for once.

So, other than being wrong, out of line, and failing reading comprehension, your words, do you have anything of any relevance to offer ?

Or,

Being full of shit again, you can delete yourself !!! You have the Mod Power !!!

. I don't remember reading any of your shit yesterday {gary}. Don't flatter yourself, asshole. Since you are a web super dewper sleuth, and use that skill as a condescending put down on those you disagree with, why don't you post up the link where I read your shit ??

I was looking for my 1878 silver dollar and remembered the saying on the coin.

The coin was given to me in the 70's by a WWII Air Corps veteran.

Thats why I started a new thread.

I do recall the statements I am referring to but they were not made by you, for once.

So, other than being wrong, out of line, and failing reading comprehension, your words, do you have anything of any relevance to offer ?

Or,

Being full of shit again, you can delete yourself !!! You have the Mod Power !!!

SHMACK!!! :eek: :laughing:

Why do you believe I am atheist?





Oh, and your coin that was minted over 100 years after the adoption of the Constitution is most impressive. Have anything that was minted during the lives of the Founding Fathers?


btw. monotheism is not exclusive to Christianity. However, most Christians are too vain to accept that.

uh oh...another religious thread in shitshat

Why are Christians such whiny cunts?

..now you've done it!


Where's Mogger when we need him?


In GOD we trust! :usa: :D:smokin::grinpimp::mr-t::):bounce2::bounce:;):dustin:

Oh yeah,

:beer::beer: :usa:

In GOD we trust! :usa: :D:smokin::grinpimp::mr-t::):bounce2::bounce:;):dustin:

Which one?

Ra? Thor? Zeus? Heyzoos? Allah? Anu?

Which one?

Ra? Thor? Zeus? Heyzoos? Allah? Anu?

Yup! :D:laughing:


Oh yeah, :beer::beer: :usa: :smokin:

Where's Mogger when we need him?


I think channeling through Lil Uzi

Patrick Henry was there. We were not. And so I will defer to the words of Patrick Henry-- the original patriot:

“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

Ever notice that the further we get from the principles upon which this nation was founded, the fewer liberties we can lay claim to? Coincidence? Not to me.

Ever notice that the further we get from the principles upon which this nation was founded, the fewer liberties we can lay claim to? Coincidence? Not to me.

Like straying further from the principal of religious tolerance? :laughing:

Like straying further from the principal of religious tolerance? :laughing:

Exactly like that. There is now more intolerance than ever.

. I don't remember reading any of your shit yesterday {gary}. Don't flatter yourself, asshole. Since you are a web super dewper sleuth, and use that skill as a condescending put down on those you disagree with, why don't you post up the link where I read your shit ??

I was looking for my 1878 silver dollar and remembered the saying on the coin.

The coin was given to me in the 70's by a WWII Air Corps veteran.

Thats why I started a new thread.

I do recall the statements I am referring to but they were not made by you, for once.

So, other than being wrong, out of line, and failing reading comprehension, your words, do you have anything of any relevance to offer ?

Or,

Being full of shit again, you can delete yourself !!! You have the Mod Power !!!

Yeah, sure. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Your exact first words...........................

"In one of the endless atheist misinformation preachings on here"

so yes, you are talking about that recent post, and a few others like it.
I'm not buying your bullshit. You may be able to snow DRM, but I ain't buying it.
BTW, the post I was referring to wasn't mine, it was by TexasBlake.
Try again when you find a brain to use.

Why are Christians such whiny cunts?

You'd have to ask Lil Uzi, gipper, etc. I won't even bother trying to figure them out.

I think channeling through Lil Uzi

I think you have a point Joe. He's taken over Mogger's attention whore thread. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Wow, talk about a bullshit quote. :shaking:
I remember that post, and it was yesterday, and it wasn't anything to do with
atheist preaching. It was a response to an erroneous assertion that this country
was founded as a christian nation.

You really do need to learn how to read better.

I line from the post ...............................

"In God We Trust has only been an official national motto until 1956."
I love the "erroneous assertion that this country was founded on Christian beliefs" line coupled with the statemtent that there is not aetheist BS spewings on this board.


You're always good for a contradiction. (in every post)

Why are Christians such whiny cunts?

No shit. It would be nice if they kept their imaginary friend to themselves.

“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

Do people here understand the distinction being made?

Patrick Henry was there. We were not. And so I will defer to the words of Patrick Henry-- the original patriot:

“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

Ever notice that the further we get from the principles upon which this nation was founded, the fewer liberties we can lay claim to? Coincidence? Not to me.

You'll want to be careful citing Patrick Henry. Recall that later in life, he still professed some amount of faith in an Almighty Creator type god, but his position on the Bible had turned to one of dislike, and very nearly hostility.

Not that this in any way detracts from the quote, nor that Patrick Henry did not mean what he said above. Just that by hanging your hat too solidly on PH, you put yourself in a position whereby others can certainly use his change of view against you.

Do people here understand the distinction being made?

Hyperbole is much more fun.

You'll want to be careful citing Patrick Henry. Recall that later in life, he still professed some amount of faith in an Almighty Creator type god, but his position on the Bible had turned to one of dislike, and very nearly hostility.

Not that this in any way detracts from the quote, nor that Patrick Henry did not mean what he said above. Just that by hanging your hat too solidly on PH, you put yourself in a position whereby others can certainly use his change of view against you.

Hyperbole is much more fun.


I love hypocrisy.

The quote you were detracting means exactly what the quote you supported was saying:

Patrick Henry put more faith in the gospel of JC than in the Bible...The Bible is the embodiment of organized religion and is NOT the words of Jesus Christ, if said individual even existed in the first place.

You'll want to be careful citing Patrick Henry. Recall that later in life, he still professed some amount of faith in an Almighty Creator type god, but his position on the Bible had turned to one of dislike, and very nearly hostility.

Not that this in any way detracts from the quote, nor that Patrick Henry did not mean what he said above. Just that by hanging your hat too solidly on PH, you put yourself in a position whereby others can certainly use his change of view against you.

What you are warning about shows some understanding of a problem that tasks you.


A few quotes for fun:



My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith, August, 6, 1816




"How can you have order in a state without religion? For, when one man is dying of hunger near another who is ill of surfeit, he cannot resign himself to this difference unless there is an authority which declares 'God wills it thus.' Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." — Napoleon Bonaparte.




Religion without science is blind. Science without religion is lame.

-- Einstein

I love hypocrisy.

The quote you were detracting means exactly what the quote you supported was saying:

Patrick Henry put more faith in the gospel of JC than in the Bible...The Bible is the embodiment of organized religion and is NOT the words of Jesus Christ, if said individual even existed in the first place.

It's a well known historical fact that he existed. The debate is over his divinity. Hell, even most religious Jews will admit he existed, just not that he was the Messiah. :homer:

It's a well known historical fact that he existed. The debate is over his divinity. Hell, even most religious Jews will admit he existed, just not that he was the Messiah. :homer:

I would not call it a fact that JC existed.
Matters not if JC existed though. Gawd does not exist.

Why are Christians such whiny cunts?

[whinyatheist]RAAAWWRRR!!![whinyatheist]

I love the "erroneous assertion that this country was founded on Christian beliefs" line coupled with the statemtent that there is not aetheist BS spewings on this board.


You're always good for a contradiction. (in every post)

Are you really that dense ? The founders of this country believed in a creator,
but that doesn't equal atheism. It also doesn't equal christianity. Try again bunky.

[whinyatheist]RAAAWWRRR!!![whinyatheist]

beat me to it..

Patrick Henry was there. We were not. And so I will defer to the words of Patrick Henry-- the original patriot:

“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

The gospel of Jesus Christ? Was he referring to the Q document? Because I only remember the gospels of matthew mark luke & john in the 'accepted' bible....:confused: What 'nation' was he referring to there, in 1765? You might want to vet those chain mails before you buy in. Oh, and this:

There is an insidious campaign of false propaganda being waged today, to the effect that our country is not a Christian country but a religious one—that it was not founded on Christianity but on freedom of religion. It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by "religionists", but by Christians—not on religion, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

This has been cited at some sites as being in a speech to the House of Burgesses in May 1765, but the date and quote are both spurious: it is extremely anachronistic to have Henry speaking of the colony of Virginia in 1765 as a "nation" that afforded "peoples of other faiths" the "freedom of worship." In fact this statement first appeared in the April 1956 issue of The Virginian in a piece partially about, not by, Patrick Henry, as the next sentence clearly shows: "In the spoken and written words of our noble founders and forefathers, we find symbolic expressions of their Christian faith. The above quotation from the will of Patrick Henry is a notable example."

I love hypocrisy.

The quote you were detracting means exactly what the quote you supported was saying:

Patrick Henry put more faith in the gospel of JC than in the Bible...The Bible is the embodiment of organized religion and is NOT the words of Jesus Christ, if said individual even existed in the first place.


Sorry, man - I wasn't detracting from anyone. Not exactly sure how you read it, but certainly not how I meant it.

It's all good though, easy to do - easy to understand how it might happen.

Religion without science is blind. Science without religion is lame.

-- Einstein

Who needs context anyway.

Who needs context anyway.

I've quoted Einstein's full quote of that in CC more than once.... Not too hard to find, if you want.

I've quoted Einstein's full quote of that in CC more than once.... Not too hard to find, if you want.

I've looked it up and I know there is much more to it. I just hope other people do the same.

I've quoted Einstein's full quote of that in CC more than once.... Not too hard to find, if you want.

another nugget from the same letter:

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death.

I've quoted Einstein's full quote of that in CC more than once.... Not too hard to find, if you want.

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."

"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man."

. Try again bunky.

Had to look that up. Is it what you really meant to say? :confused:



http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bunky

It's a well known historical fact that he existed. The debate is over his divinity. Hell, even most religious Jews will admit he existed, just not that he was the Messiah. :homer:

Fact? Where's his official portrait that can be traced to a specific artist who knew him? Where's his current burial spot? Can you find his bones? Can you find any scrolls that have his signature on them?

nah, didn't think so.

Fact? Where's his official portrait that can be traced to a specific artist who knew him? Where's his current burial spot? Can you find his bones? Can you find any scrolls that have his signature on them?

nah, didn't think so.

Do you suppose Jocephus was lying to the Romans?


3. (63) Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. (64) And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross [2], those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day [3], as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named for him, are not extinct at this day.


http://www.theistic-evolution.com/josephus.html

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/josephus.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/scott_oser/hojfaq.html

http://www.4truth.net/site/c.hiKXLbPNLrF/b.2902067/k.C923/Josephus_and_Jesus.htm

Jocephus did not believe him to be divine, as far as I know. Jocephus refers to him as Christ for clarification. Not to convey any belief of Jocephus.

Now, of course, there are those who feel that 'Antiquities' has been faked too -

http://www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm

And some folks figure the truth is in between.

http://www.mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm

However, that is probably too much work for most people. So, I suggest you all continue to parrot whatever argument worked on you. Definitely don't go figure anything out for yourself.

It's a well known historical fact that he existed.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

2010 A.D. Anno Domini-- In the Year of Our Lord. 5000 B.C. --Before Christ

Yep. That guy that all of time is based upon is probably just made up.:laughing:

2010 A.D. Anno Domini-- In the Year of Our Lord. 5000 B.C. --Before Christ

Yep. That guy that all of time is based upon is probably just made up.:laughing:

Try thinking just an inch deeper...:shaking:

Those designations are part of the Gregorian calender, which (surprise!!!) was adopted by Pope Gregory XIII, right around the time Europe was in the dark ages with Christians torturing and murdering people for thought crimes.

To say that time is "based upon jesus christ", is about the most ignorant statement one could make.

I know Jesus existed. I saw a sign on some guys roof, so it must be true.

Why are Christians such whiny cunts?

It would appear that being a WC isn't exclusive to Christians:

It also isn't cool the shove it down our throat attitude ALL Christians have. I can't walk down a street without being subjected to a cross, or a church, of some fawkstick trying to hand me a pamphlet about "god". I can't go to a restraunt without having to hear some asshat pray over his food, or preach to me how I should have god in my life.

I am kinda sick of the people who are ok with religion saying anything they want but if some gay person wants to be treated like a human, no fawk that they are an abomination. :shaking:

Fact? Where's his official portrait that can be traced to a specific artist who knew him? Where's his current burial spot? Can you find his bones? Can you find any scrolls that have his signature on them?

nah, didn't think so.

So having a official portrait, with a current burial spot, and a signed scroll is the only proof of ones existance?

Crap, that means that 99.99999% of all the historical figures never existed.

So having a official portrait, with a current burial spot, and a signed scroll is the only proof of ones existance?

Crap, that means that 99.99999% of all the historical figures never existed.

yeah like Paul Bunyan and Pecos Bill...right?

Lol mogger band AGAIN?!?!?!

11!!!!!