I have an oportunity to buy some Volvo portal axles...they are like the unimogs, but these are only the 1 ton version. I guess they are equivelant to dana 60's? So, should I do it, or go with the 404 unimogs wich are twice the strength and twice the weight?
Who knows about this stuff?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Ryan

PM me, i know a bit about them.

I've seen the Team Purple rig running the Volvo Portals and they seem to work very well. He's more of a rock racing type and that's some hard stress put on them...as far as I know, they've held up well.
The guy's name is Ron Schneider from OffRoad General Store and he goes by the tag TEAMPURPLE...you outta look him up and find out his view.

Originally posted by 9V
PM me, i know a bit about them.

why dont you share the knowledge with everyone ?

alan

PM me, i know a bit about them.

Yes. Please do.

:rasta:

Originally posted by rfrey
I have an oportunity to buy some Volvo portal axles...they are like the unimogs, but these are only the 1 ton version. I guess they are equivelant to dana 60's? So, should I do it, or go with the 404 unimogs wich are twice the strength and twice the weight?
Who knows about this stuff?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Ryan

Biggest consideration is the weight of the vehicle they are going under, and space requirements. Weight because MOG are said to be sronger and use larger components. The volvos will be easier to place under a rig because the pinion is shorter and orginally mounted to leaf springs SU, also won't require a pinon conversion. MOGs are difficult to deal with the offset of the diffs and the length of the pinons. You can go with hybrid, but that a whole nother ballgame.

As far as MOG being twice as strong and twice as heavy, I doubt the MOGs are twice as heavy. Twice as strong... I don't know I need to get my MOGs under a rig for testing. I do know the major difference in MOGs and Volvo protals is the joints. MOGs use a double cardian type joint, where the Volvos use a birfield type jount. Because of this the MOGs will have a better turing radius and stronger joints. Not as big a consideration because they are both before the reduction portals and torque will be less.

Thats the info I know. Gathered thorugh much webwheelin' research here and other sites. Do some checking around and make an informed decision.

BTW I will be running MOG axles under my tube chassis toyota when finished... Just waiting on delivery of my axles.

RedBullJeep, I saw him too. He did well at CRCA...first place. That is what got me started looking into this venture. I spoke with a guy from extremeaxle.com who sold Ron the axles for his cost. Ron has since put on disk brakes in front...the rest is stock...that is impressive. His rig is going to be lighter than mine, and I was hoping to run 38.5 SX's and he is running 37's...he said his SX's made him too big. Anyway, the guy at extremeaxle loves the volvo's, one guy in canada hates the 404's because they are too small, and another guy in canada who is willing to custom make me some 404's will really dial them in, but for twice the $$$ as this guy wants for his volvos...
....what do I do? Save for $8000 404 axles, or spend the $4000 on volvo's now?

Check w/ FJ Junkie (Alan). He can probably set you up with the Volvo's for less.

Someone is gonna be happy if you pay $8k for mog axles but it won't be you. Check out www.exaxt.com
I think they are morelike $1500/each

from what i have seen i think the volvo portals are the way to go.

how much are the ones you are looking at?

anybody kow the actuall weights of the mog and the volvos?

http://www.exaxt.ca/ lists MOG axles as:

Front axle weight (dry): approx. 240kg (530lbs)

Rear axle weight (dry): approx. 220kg (485lbs)

I don't know the weight of the Volvos

Volvo portals are very light compared to 14b. The axel is smaller than a mini truck axel.

http://www.algonet.se/~fjaras/tgb11/
:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by ZAG
http://www.algonet.se/~fjaras/tgb11/
:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

http://www.algonet.se/~fjaras/tgb11/eng/index.html

English is much better!

These axels are very heavy duty almost same as Dana 60-axels but the weight is only 150kg (front), 130kg (rear).

Converted thats:

330 lbs for a front axle
286 lbs for a rear axle

Hmmm... not quite half the weight but close.

I have seen 4 mog portal units break. The outer gear case broke each time. I have heard there are a couple different versions. I'm sure JR could clarify. Volvo's look like a better option unless you go Hybrid.

Originally posted by KYODER
I have seen 4 mog portal units break. The outer gear case broke each time. I have heard there are a couple different versions. I'm sure JR could clarify. Volvo's look like a better option unless you go Hybrid.

This really doesn't make sense, because a hybrid MOG axle is going to use factory MOG portal gear reduction cases. Which are the weaklink by your comments.

Pics coming in a few days of U-1300 mog portals. I do see any freaking way that I am going to break these things even with 53's and BBC(Big Bad Caddy - Brook;)) power.

I just have about 10 more hours of freaking grinding to do on them to remove all of the brackets that cam on them that I won't be using. There were 7 brackets on each axle, each with two peices of 1/4" steel welded on both sides to the axles. So that is 14 welds to grind down on each axle. Takes FOREVER!

Sean

Fjärrås bildemontering only have rear axels at the moment. Too many people want rear steer in sweden:D

Originally posted by jbt
Fjärrås bildemontering only have rear axels at the moment. Too many people want rear steer in sweden:D

That's the main drawback IMO...AFAIK they went' out of production with the Valp. There are still a lot of unit's lying around, but not too many people are talking...Then there is the whole Swede component that are snatching them up like we do here with 60 fronts.

I dunno'. Looks like a awesome axle, but because it's no longer being produced, I would have to think long and hard about buying a pair.

Originally posted by cruiserrg

These axels are very heavy duty almost same as Dana 60-axels but the weight is only 150kg (front), 130kg (rear).

Converted thats:

330 lbs for a front axle
286 lbs for a rear axle

Hmmm... not quite half the weight but close.

I must add some weight to those cause I have two fronts and one rear axle at our backyard and I have weigthed them so front axle is 170kg and rear is 155kg

Mog 411 "banjo" type (not cast iron) is about 240kg wiht drum brakes.

We managed to buy these axles from Fjärås but it was hard. We even had to use my mother to get them :flipoff2:

Here is pic of Volvo front portal shot few week ago:

Originally posted by RedBullJeep
I've seen the Team Purple rig running the Volvo Portals and they seem to work very well. He's more of a rock racing type and that's some hard stress put on them...as far as I know, they've held up well.
The guy's name is Ron Schneider from OffRoad General Store and he goes by the tag TEAMPURPLE...you outta look him up and find out his view.



Where can I find pictures of this "purple rig"????????

Jare from Finland

Originally posted by jbt
Fjärrås bildemontering only have rear axels at the moment. Too many people want rear steer in sweden:D

Also in Finland and Norway too :D :D :D :D :D


Jare from Finland

Originally posted by rfrey
I have an oportunity to buy some Volvo portal axles...they are like the unimogs, but these are only the 1 ton version. I guess they are equivelant to dana 60's? So, should I do it, or go with the 404 unimogs wich are twice the strength and twice the weight?
Who knows about this stuff?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Ryan

What kind of info you would like to get?

And what comes to mog parts, that they are twice as strong...hmmm I'm not so sure. I have managed to break some mog parts, but so far I haven't driven with Volvo axles.

Here is shot of broken mog parts. The little axle stub on the left lower corner is from Dana44. It sure looks so small:D :D

Originally posted by ZAG
http://www.algonet.se/~fjaras/tgb11/
:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

how much $ is 9000 SEK?

i think the euro exchange rate is just about 1 to 1 right now

alan

http://www.xtremeaxle.com/ Is one picture of the purple jeep. The guy also owns the Off Road General Store, so you can try typing that in the address line too...

Look, I have talked to a lot of people in regards to these axles...some near, some far. I choose to buy the axles for many different reasons. One was the price. I paid more for my axles than Alan (FJ Junkie) is going to sell his (50 pair) for. I chose to do this, because Alan is about 10 hours from me. However, he seems to really know a lot about these things, and it sounds like he will be my parts supplier when, and if, I need him.

Good luck guys, and thanks for hook'n a brother up!

Originally posted by Jare




Where can I find pictures of this "purple rig"????????

Jare from Finland

All I know is that they run a store in the Orange County (Los Angeles) area. Their website is http://www.offroadgs.com
You can look them up on this board as well by typing in Team Purple in the search area...there's bound to be pics of them somewhere...well designed rig, though now it's a little beaten up from the last event!

I am in the process of having HD CV's built for the Volvo axles
if anyone is interested in the contact me at the store and I can give you pricing and info

Buy the way, The Volvo axles Rock!

Originally posted by bobjohnson
how much $ is 9000 SEK?

SEK = Swedish Krona

9000 Swedish Krona = 972.97 US Dollar

http://qs.money.cnn.com/tq/currconv/

Morgan

i think the euro exchange rate is just about 1 to 1 right now

FYI, We dont use Euro in sweden _yet_ -So prices on page is in swedish crowns. 1SEK = 0.1$ (Or: 5000SEK = 500$)

Some pictures of portals and other stuff om my page here:

http://multimedia.campus.luth.se/offroad/

http://multimedia.campus.luth.se/offroad/sthmls-mickes-willys_03_800x600.jpg

Originally posted by sweden



Some pictures of portals and other stuff om my page here:

http://multimedia.campus.luth.se/offroad/

http://multimedia.campus.luth.se/offroad/sthmls-mickes-willys_03_800x600.jpg


What's that wacky looking Dana front axle?

Dana44 licenced by Volvo for the first laplander. (C903) -It's different, but dont know how..

Anyone remember the old sierra RC thread on this? Six pages...
http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=364

Hey Team Purple...I didn't think you would need HD CV's? I thought you only broke the one time because the nut came loose from the bottom of the turning flange?
Also, I would love to see some pics of your suspention...you could send them to ryan.frey@cox.net if you would like...

Your better off Buying MOG 404's and saving yourself pain later. The MOG's are heavier, but stronger.

hey run dog check this out here's your mog :flipoff2:http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=969598

hey run dog check this out here's your mog

the one thing i love about this place. always a smartass when ya need one :flipoff2:

If Ron S. can't tear up his volvos "rock racing" then I would say the volvo axle speaks for its self.

I just ordered a set- after reading all the threads and the sites the Volvo's made more sense to me- I may later regret it but I'll take my chances.

The cool thing is I can throw the back one in my comp jeep with hardly any work at all. The rear axle usually gets the haphazard line anyway, it's usually easier to put the front where you want it and have it stay there.

Looks like I saved myself from Shaving my semifloat 60 over the winter.:D

Originally posted by Team Purple
I am in the process of having HD CV's built for the Volvo axles
if anyone is interested in the contact me at the store and I can give you pricing and info

Buy the way, The Volvo axles Rock!

I'm interested of these and so is Seppo "Popo" Luukkanen, so if you can send me the info by e-mail it would be really great.

jare@sunpoint.net

Here is pic of Popos Honda Jep

I am taking orders for the joints, I need a min. of 6 sets to get it going, all specs and r&d have been done, we are ready to proceed with production it will take 8-10 weeks to be ready, The price per unit is $325.95 each unless we can get a min of 15 sets pre-ordered I can bring the price down a little.

HD chromoly shafts are also in the works.:eek: :eek:

Can the rear axles be converted to a steer axle down the road by changing hubs at the flange like you can with the mog axles?

Also- are the gears in the reduction hub helical cut as well putting side loads on the housing (to an extent- said to be a vulnerable spot on the mog 404's)

I'm probably going to make some adapters 1/2 to 1" thick for 5/5.5 or for that matter any pattern- If anyone is interested let me know- volume = cheaper. At this point I'll either be milling 3/4 aluminum or waterjetting thinner steel. Won't actually make them till I have my axles.

Ken

The front axle width (45.25") and rear axle width (51.5") so if you put front outers on the rear it will be much wider., as far as the case's spreading, we haven't seen that like on the mogs,

Hey Jare, you should be proud of your self! It's not easy to tear up mog stuff like that. So are all those pieces from the same carnage? What happend?

As you might know, I use 'mog reduction boxes and have a lot of H.P. So far not had problems. I wonder if some of the problems with 'mog reduction units come from simple neglect.
Yeah, I heard lots of stories of failure and often is was like " the gear box lost it's oil from a leaky seal, than things seized and broke". From my own experience, the gear box bolts some times come lose. This could put a lot of stress on the gear case which might crack, then separate the gears enough to break.
Also, I think it's important to have a tight spindle nut too as the integrity of the spindle depends on it.

I dig the volvo stuff just as much as the 'mog stuff. Don't be afraid of what's up stream of the reduction.

so these beasts are apparently equal to a D60?
:confused:

So did I miss it somewhere? What kind of gearing do these bad boys come with. They are awfully narrow also.

As one of the three or so people who actually have volvo portals (apparently one of the other people is named Ron too). . . I would say just do it.

Narrow? What are you talking about?

I just need the $$$ or luck to find a good SIII rover brake set up and a scout II steering box and they will be fully funftional

Ron

Originally posted by cruiserrg


This really doesn't make sense, because a hybrid MOG axle is going to use factory MOG portal gear reduction cases. Which are the weaklink by your comments.

Your right, that did sound silly. I was thinking in terms of bigger gear case(outers) without the pinion problem.(conversion)

Track width to the WMS on these is at or near 61" as best as i can determine. Team Purples reference to 51 and 46" dimensions is in reference to the flanges where the portal drop boxes attach.

Width confusion!

total width is 68 15/16" end to end
with tires outside width is 78" with 17x9 rims w/7" backspacing and 37x13.5x17 MT

so far they have been working great! but you do have to maintanence them more than a 60, bolts loosen, ect. so take care of them and they will work great.

for clearing that up! quite different than other data floating around but I trust the guy running them more than the web!

Allthough it would be pretty wide, can 15" wheels be run on these things with the normal 3.5-4" BS?

Is allied offering 17"wheels with that offset now? Can you get away with more offset if you wanted to?

Thanks in advance!

No, a 16 inch rim is the smallest you can go...the drums just fit in there!
As far as the back spacing is conserned, I heard Ron is running a lot of back spacing to simply protect the portal drop boxs...you of course could run less back spacing if you wanted.

Now I have a question conserning back spacing...the more centered the spacing is on the rim, it is easier on your steering...right??? (Hope that question made sense)

I will throw in a few points....

-why not find a way, maybe with a new hub/outer stub, to run a regular 8 on 6.5 lug pattern? If you could keep most everything the same for offset. It looks like you could use a stok hummer rim...either a 16.5 steel or the really spendy and cool 17"

http://www.rodhall.com/hummeraccessories/images/2pc-aa-wcti-250.jpg

-Disc brakes can be done front and rear too. There is no parking brake though, but you could use a t-case one form Jess.

http://www.xtremeaxle.com.futuresite.register.com/db4/00372/xtremeaxle.com/_uimages/rightfrontwithdisc.jpg

-I think that you can do either pass or drivers offest by flipping the housing? There is a centered rear axle out there, and offset rear to make a wider front or steering rear.

-What about longfields for these?

What about disc brake options? Is it possible w/o having to fork over tons of $$$??? Who makes wheels for them?

thanks,
-Brett

Why would you want different wheels?

Stock is 16in x 8in (have to double check the 8in spec). At the very leaast reuse the centers if you have to have 37x17 MTRs or whatever the tire flavor of the month is. Long term I am looking for 38x 11in boggers (got clearance?) but for now the 35in goodyear xtra grips will do.

My thought behind them is to get something really effective and different without the wicked custom work or hack job that is requited for MOGs. I think something like a flatty, 80in land rover or zuki on 37s with these axles and a decent motor would be tons of fun.

Something like a Series I 80in with a modded aluminium V8 or V6, SM420 or NP235, and an LT230 would be tons of fun and weigh about 2000lbs

Ron

Anyone have any ideas on regular steering? Isn't the steering knuckle on these on the drivers side...as in the wrong side. I also noticed a funky bend in the TREs to clear the wheels.

As far as wheels go....

As long as you keep the stock DRUM brakes you are fine. I also think they are also only 7" wide....not sure though. You have a point though, send them off for beadlocks if you want. Running narrow boggers would be SWEET!

I think that these are a little to heavy to get under the 2000lb limit though!

Its all fun though.....

I guess I sould have asked where can you get the stock wheels for them? Do they come with the axles for the $1000 or whatever$$$??? I dont want flashy wheels, just the correct lug pattern centers to make a 17" for MTRS...

How relaible are the lockers? Can they be converted to mechanical?
-Brett

If you are looking for the disk brake set up, ask Joe...here is his link http://www.xtremeaxle.com/ he sells part of it, and you can shop for the rest. he knows the pricing and has hook-up on cables for the lockers, and someone to make custom rims. He can also get you some portals too.

I really like the Volvo axles for smaller trucks like Jeep´s and Suzukis with tire sizes up to 37". It would be perfect if someone would make a disc brake set up with the Jeep bolt pattern.
For bigger rigs and bigger tires i always would go with the Mog axles, because they are really stronger. Sure, you can destroy any axle, but on the pics it lookes to me like a axleshaft failure. Maybe the U-joint broke and the shaft went out. This might be the reason for the rest of the mess.
Shit happens.

www.killeraxles.com

So how strong are the volvos????

What are we loking at 38in tyre max. So their similar in strength to a D44 or are they better than that.

Could you run 42s on these things or would you bust parts all over the place (just like my d44s :flipoff2: )

Sam

Originally posted by rfrey
No, a 16 inch rim is the smallest you can go...the drums just fit in there!
As far as the back spacing is conserned, I heard Ron is running a lot of back spacing to simply protect the portal drop boxs...you of course could run less back spacing if you wanted.

Now I have a question conserning back spacing...the more centered the spacing is on the rim, it is easier on your steering...right??? (Hope that question made sense)

About only 16" wheel I say you are wrong. You can use also 15" wheels. One fellow in Finland uses 39.5/15-15" Swamper TSL in his Volvo C-303 with Chevy 350TBI

And here is pic of Fjärås-Magnus Formula Off Road Jeep with 15" size wheels and paddle tyres and you can see that there is drums.

Here is pic of Magnus Jeep from the front. Previous pic was from his rear axle.

Here is pic of one Norwegian fellows Formula Off Road Jeep with disks and 39.5/18-15" boggers

Fredrik Böhle

Do the vovlos come in both right and left hand drive?

In the pic two posts up you can see the attachment for the drag link on the pass side knuckle? I haven't seen this before?

anyone have any ideas?

Originally posted by Mieser
Do the vovlos come in both right and left hand drive?

In the pic two posts up you can see the attachment for the drag link on the pass side knuckle? I haven't seen this before?

anyone have any ideas?

All volvos that I've seen over ten years have left hand drive. Never heard right hand drive C303

Here is front pic of Fredric Böhles Jeep

Looking at Magnus car....

Has he got a two piece front drive shaft to get around the tranny and the oil pan? Looks light it would get busy with the 350 in there.

My initial plans are to stuff the rear axle in as this will be easy without changing ride height on my POS. Sneaking the front in is going to be a little more frame work with the 303 axle trying to get friendly with my 5.2 harmonic balancer:eek:

Originally posted by Mieser
Do the vovlos come in both right and left hand drive?

In the pic two posts up you can see the attachment for the drag link on the pass side knuckle? I haven't seen this before?

anyone have any ideas?

All Volvo C303 that I've seen over ten years of Off Road in Scandinavia and Europe all C303s have been left hand drive!

Here is front pic of Fredrik Böhles Jeep

The wheel choice that I can get is 17x9 wheels beadlocked and ready to go for $250.00 each like the ones on my rig.
as far as the locker goes, it seams to be working fine/ I unlockit and lockit all the time and no slips or wear showing on the parts.
I can get any of the brake parts to convert over to discs, as you see on mine they work fine.
I have a full list of parts for them if anyone needs to get the parts, i.e. yokes, drive lines, lower king pin bolts,disc brake parts/kits, cables, rims17x9, HD CV'S, Chromoly axles, we are also working on an air operated locker control,

Originally posted by G02Guy
Looking at Magnus car....

Has he got a two piece front drive shaft to get around the tranny and the oil pan? Looks light it would get busy with the 350 in there.



Oh no. Magnus don't run V8. He has Turbocharged Volvo 2.3l 4 cyl engine. He says it has about 270 horses but it just goes so nicely that I think he has more like 370HP in it :D

Here's a nice shot of him on the track

YES

The front axle can be right or left hand drive, we have a jig built to flop it either way.:eek:

Originally posted by Team Purple
The wheel choice that I can get is 17x9 wheels beadlocked and ready to go for $250.00 each like the ones on my rig.
as far as the locker goes, it seams to be working fine/ I unlockit and lockit all the time and no slips or wear showing on the parts.
I can get any of the brake parts to convert over to discs, as you see on mine they work fine.
I have a full list of parts for them if anyone needs to get the parts, i.e. yokes, drive lines, lower king pin bolts,disc brake parts/kits, cables, rims17x9, HD CV'S, Chromoly axles, we are also working on an air operated locker control,

The lockers work great. Here in Scandinavia trial competitions has lot of tight turns so that's why we have four wheel steering plus we need to open diffs to get car turn even better. Only problems that I've noticed in Volvo lockers is that if you run them with vacuum and have very little reservoir tank that can cause problems. Also if you have very rough engine that has low vacuum. And of course if you run Turbo pressures.

Friend of mine (Land Rover and Volvo guy) told me that Land Rover and Volvo C303 has same brake shoes and same size cylinders. So if Volvo brake parts are hard to find, you may get it easier with Landy parts.

Jare from Finland

This 40Mb Mpg shows the use of Volvo Portals in different applications :)

http://multimedia.campus.luth.se/offroad/portalaction.mpg

What are the rules on Portal in your shows?

Originally posted by Strange Rover
So how strong are the volvos????

What are we loking at 38in tyre max. So their similar in strength to a D44 or are they better than that.

Could you run 42s on these things or would you bust parts all over the place (just like my d44s :flipoff2: )

Sam

It's way much stronger than D44. This years Europian and Norways Champion runs Volvo portals and 44" Boggers. His car is very light, I think that it's something like 1200kg (is it 2643lbs???)

And one Finnish guy Popo (see pic on this thread at page 2) runs also 44" Swampers. He has been saying that his car is even lighter than 1200kg. Popo has broke two birfields and both of them has been from his rear axle. I think strength is more compared to D60. It would bee good choise for your Landy ;) And think about the ground clearance you get:D

Anyone have an actual centerline dimension from the wheel center to the axle shaft center? How high is the pinion over the axle shaft center?

When talking tire size- remember that there's a big difference between buzzing a 44" tire in loose stuff vs a bunch of gear reduction bound up in a tight rocky place.

The stub shaft is approx 4.5" lower than the inner axle on center
the pinion is almost dead center (top to bottom) on the axle tube

As far as binding them in the rocks, havent had a problem yet.

so volvo axles are 69" WMS-WMS? then why do you say they have a 61" track width?

Because he is running tons of back spacing...so, his track width is narrower.

I thought I would bring this back up. I just got a sweet little willys to install some volvos in and I have questions.

-Specs on stock wheels? I think they are 16x7 or 8. I would really like to figure out what stock backspacing is.

-Steering. Does anyone have pics of a C303 front axle installed in a C303 showing all the steering linkage? I don't want to go full hydro so I have to figure out some linkage.

-front driveshaft ideas? Since these axles provide 4-5" of lift, I need to keep the suspension close to stock height in front. Right now my fornt driveshaft has VERY little room to move around. The starter to the buick is in the way and some of the bellhousing. A drivers side starter would fix it? Any way to do that? I am running a buick and a SM420. Maybe a lakewood steel bellhousing or something? I am fishing here. There really isn't room under the jeep for a 2pc driveshaft.

Thanks for the help!

have any of you had any sucess running the volvo axles SUA front and rear with traction bars? i want to get some flexy springs but i dont want all the height the portals would add. Also when i go to order some volvos how to i make sure i get the 5.94 geared units? Thanks.

Hello off roaders,

I'm from Romania, and i work at an off road garage. A customer has a suzuki sj with c303 axles and i've been searching for some time now for axle dust seals (or shaft seals, i don't know their exact name) but can't seem to find the correct ones. can anyone help me with the correct part number, even a supplyer maybe...

thank you, and sorry if my spelling is not correct!

http://fmv4x4.com/web/