Ok so maybe not the vs. pete part. :flipoff2:

As some of you may have heard, we are putting together a hair brained idea to race a rock crawler in the Baja 1000 in November from Ensenada to La Paz in the 4454 Koh car. Did i mention we are entering in class 1? :eek:

Save all the speculation on if we can beat the Jeepspeeds, if Pete will get beat by a rock crawler, etc etc for another thread.

This thread is for volunteers for our team. We need lots of you.

We need volunteers with trucks who want to participate in the adventure of a lifetime. Ask anyone who has been on a previous pirate baja 1000 adventure, and I promise you they all will tell you the same thing. There's nothing else like it. Previous baja experience a plus but definitely not necessary. Passports are required for travel in Mexico.

We will be covering our race effort live the entire time with the satellite truck and also plan to release a dvd of our adventure.

So who's in?

When you say "truck" would my 2500HD or Quad Cab help?

I towed our rig through two blizzards to KOH and spent the whole week out there wrenching....this should be cake.

How about a schedule of when you would need what?

When you say "truck" would my 2500HD or Quad Cab help?

Yes.

WTF, subscribed. The 2500 sits waiting for the recession to be over anyhow. :homer:

Pm'd you Lance. Would possibly be able to fly out and help in whatever way I can. Need some more information as to dates, etc...

DJR will be there racing our Jeepspeed and we can cover stationary pits for the first 3-400 miles. You willl be ahead of us and unless you break there is no way in hell my car will catch that car. We have a crew for start, ojos and valle de trinidad that will bust when we pass. Then we have everyone from San Felipe, Puertocitos, and Bay of LA that will chase our car from there.

Great, there goes Hartman doubling my workload!:flipoff2: When I put in for time off at work, the box I checked said "paid vacation", didn't say shiat about busting my hump supporting every grassroots, hairbrained idea, rock donkey, team Hartman could find to help out!

Hah!:D The boss says we're in, we're in!:smokin: DJR will help most anyone that needs it at any race. If I'm going to be there anyway, might as well find something useful to do. DJR's junk is going to run perfect, nothing but scheduled fuel/service stops for 1200 miles.

Baja vacation countdown, 73 days.

No truck available, but I volunteer. There are definite advantages to being your own boss! :grinpimp:

I was planning to chase for the Filarski's & the Dust Junkies. I'm sure I could pull double duty. Just let me know what you need.

The chase truck will have generator, Miller Passport Mig welder, Nitrogen, CO2, etc.

I would like to be involved in running a video chase truck down the peninsula.... sounds like good times.

This is Cole's car right? Has it passed SCORE inspection yet?

Dates for the 1000 are:
Ensenada to La Paz - Peninsula Run
November 17-21, 2010


I'd be interested in helping out if I can get some other AZ guys to go south in a group.

If I have never had a passport, how long does it normally take to get one?? November 21st is my birthday and I would love to celebrate it helping out with the 1000.

Dane

If I have never had a passport, how long does it normally take to get one??

Dane

I think thye say 6-8 weeks but mine showed up faster. You can have it rushed for a fee as well.

My brother had to get his in 2 weeks last year for a vacation, I think it cost him an extra $100.

I think thye say 6-8 weeks but mine showed up faster. You can have it rushed for a fee as well.

Thanks Loren.

Lance, I am going to check into pulling this off logistically, but I am SERIOUSLY intersted in helping in any way I can. Truck is a 2006 3500 Mega Cab, no special tools, but I am 100% self sufficient (can live in my truck with little to no sleep or food for days) and know how to use most tools and make fixes/deadlines happen. Let me know if I can be of assistance!!!

Dane

Thanks Loren.

Lance, I am going to check into pulling this off logistically, but I am SERIOUSLY intersted in helping in any way I can. Truck is a 2006 3500 Mega Cab, no special tools, but I am 100% self sufficient (can live in my truck with little to no sleep or food for days) and know how to use most tools and make fixes/deadlines happen. Let me know if I can be of assistance!!!

Dane

You're exactly the kind of guy we are looking for.

Yes 4454 is Dave's car. I believe it is getting SCORE teched this month.

Edit - you can get passports expedited as loren said for a fee.

We need volunteers with trucks who want to participate in the adventure of a lifetime.

Just in case you missed this part.....

PM sent... BTW-I would love to see a KOH rig do some damage to the competition. To bad it doesn't rain down there. LOL

I have a 2wd crew cab F250 I could go through and bring if it were necessary.

I'm wary of bringing it across the border purely because of all the loose ammunition it's had in it over the years. I'm told the border guards don't react kindly to guns or ammo. *shrug*

I'm wary of bringing it across the border purely because of all the loose ammunition it's had in it over the years. I'm told the border guards don't react kindly to guns or ammo. *shrug*

:confused:

Get it team 4454!

I'll be there with Torchmate most likely, otherwise I'd be jumping on this!

Had a great time running Baja with Pirate last year, you will not be sorry racing with them. Taco cart man is the bomb diggity. Don't try and keep up with lance eating or drinking, you will lose.

:confused:

I've just heard they can be pricks about it, and it's not uncommon for me to clean out the truck and find a random bullet rolling around.

I'll just have to take extra care to clean everything out before I leave.

Good plan, guns and ammo are a definite no-no in Baja, especially the way things are now.

Stickers and energy drinks are the gifts of choice at the army check points.

I'll be glad to set your first pit at the entrance to the wash as you leave the pavement in Ensenada where we will hold you until all the faster classes have passed by, so that you won't be fucking up their race! Think that over:shaking:.

I'll be glad to set your first pit at the entrance to the wash as you leave the pavement in Ensenada where we will hold you until all the faster classes have passed by, so that you won't be fucking up their race! Think that over:shaking:.

Fuck you.

Fuck you.

Now how do you really feel Lance?

Fuck you.

Luckily we will be starting ahead of you, but you will fuck up a lot of others' race that are stuck in your slow ass dust. Ask your buddy Pete, he'll tell you it is a bad idea and poor sportsmanship.

Ask the Camburg boys who thought it was OK to enter their Ranger in Trophy Truck. To some of you this is a grand adventure, to others it is a real race, don't mess it up for them :clown: :shaking:.

PP is going to win!



But, if PP's trucks don't make it to the 1/2 way mark, then I'm available for the end (last 1/4) of the race. I'm starting in La Paz, working back to the action.
PM me race frequencies and Sat phone contacts if interested.
I have a Mexican Jeep club interested, but cost is an issue...Ferries, fuel, etc... trying to work out the details...

I'd be interested in helping out if I can get some other AZ guys to go south in a group.

Game. Maybe

I'll be glad to set your first pit at the entrance to the wash as you leave the pavement in Ensenada where we will hold you until all the faster classes have passed by, so that you won't be fucking up their race! Think that over:shaking:.

The Wide Open Baja guys did OK racing their junk at the 500. I'd think Dave and company have just as good a chance as they did.

I know that Dave's car is going to surprise a lot of people, he will not be holding people up.

The TT's will be faster across the lakebeds and graded roads, but in the tight stuff and rough loose stuff it'll hang with any car out there.

Ramsey this car is no joke.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=777973&page=2

Getting the thread back on topic....

Lance, count me in. I had a great time last year. I know Josh will at least be able to drag down last year's Chase Truck.

I might even have a second truck available if I can get it out to the left coast in time...

545212

12kw PTO generator :smokin:
545213

Old school desert guys seem to be so good at getting new people interested in the sport. Amazing to me how they seem to go out of their way to turn people off. "You guys should stay in Jeepspeed where you belong, can't have some redneck do it yourself Rock Donkey's making big shot casino owners and developers look bad".

If the car meets the rules why not race it in Class1? IMHO Daves car is not far off what the Campbell car is and he is pulling some pretty good finish times in BITD class 1. Save the guy who owns the car, the people driving it all have baja experience, the guy who built it showed up in a brand new class 1 car a few years ago and did pretty good, and I remember a few baja races where the course was so tight that TT's and class 1 cars where not that fast in the first sections of the course.

I can not blame them for wanting to start the race further forward, it gets old racing at the back, Let them have a taste of what its like in the front, they will either rise to the occassion or retreat back to the slower classes. If the fast cars can navigate the locals on the course than I am sure they can pass a Rock crawler.


I bet Sal cashes the entry fee check either way. Its not like the purse is very good for winning the baja 1000 anyway, so what damage would they really be doing if they did slow down someone? I am guessing the winner of a half assed race through the rocks in Feb gets a fatter check then the over all winner of the baja 1000. Maybe we should consider making the Desert guys all start at the back in KOH because they can not seem to drive worth a shit in that race? Can't have Rob Mac, holding up Jason Scherer trying to get to his fat check!:flipoff2:


If the desert guys can't see that Pirate4x4 introduces a whole new demographic to the adventure of racing baja through this kind of stuff, than they will resolve to be remembered for what they were and not what they can be.

. Don't try and keep up with lance eating or drinking, you will lose.

sounds like a challenge I like

:D

Old school desert guys seem to be so good at getting new people interested in the sport. Amazing to me how they seem to go out of their way to turn people off. "You guys should stay in Jeepspeed where you belong, can't have some redneck do it yourself Rock Donkey's making big shot casino owners and developers look bad".

If the car meets the rules why not race it in Class1? IMHO Daves car is not far off what the Campbell car is and he is pulling some pretty good finish times in BITD class 1. Save the guy who owns the car, the people driving it all have baja experience, the guy who built it showed up in a brand new class 1 car a few years ago and did pretty good, and I remember a few baja races where the course was so tight that TT's and class 1 cars where not that fast in the first sections of the course.

I can not blame them for wanting to start the race further forward, it gets old racing at the back, Let them have a taste of what its like in the front, they will either rise to the occassion or retreat back to the slower classes. If the fast cars can navigate the locals on the course than I am sure they can pass a Rock crawler.


I bet Sal cashes the entry fee check either way. Its not like the purse is very good for winning the baja 1000 anyway, so what damage would they really be doing if they did slow down someone? I am guessing the winner of a half assed race through the rocks in Feb gets a fatter check then the over all winner of the baja 1000. Maybe we should consider making the Desert guys all start at the back in KOH because they can not seem to drive worth a shit in that race? Can't have Rob Mac, holding up Jason Scherer trying to get to his fat check!:flipoff2:


If the desert guys can't see that Pirate4x4 introduces a whole new demographic to the adventure of racing baja through this kind of stuff, than they will resolve to be remembered for what they were and not what they can be.

Well said Jeff. Poor desert guys, wouldnt want them shown up at their own game.

Fuck you.

what happened to the "dave talkin' out his ass" thread?......i went deer hunting and got home last night to see what the latest nonsense was and.......did the new codriver enlighten him?

Well said Jeff. Poor desert guys, wouldnt want them shown up at their own game.

hahaha, now thats funny right there.......the funny part is that you guys really think that......

Luckily we will be starting ahead of you, but you will fuck up a lot of others' race that are stuck in your slow ass dust. Ask your buddy Pete, he'll tell you it is a bad idea and poor sportsmanship.

Ask the Camburg boys who thought it was OK to enter their Ranger in Trophy Truck. To some of you this is a grand adventure, to others it is a real race, don't mess it up for them :clown: :shaking:.


What do you drive and do you have a pic of the rear of the car? :D

So who's driving this thing?

NM It's a secret.

Edited...

hahaha, now thats funny right there.......the funny part is that you guys really think that......


Nope, I know personally I could not jump in your truck and do what you do. But given the time and budget I believe I could and thats what you guys should be selling to Rock Donkeys. The dream. The dream makes you spend money you don't have, rob from your kids college fund, and makes your wife a racewidow.

When the people we look up to talk shit on us, it makes it a whole lot easier to spend money somewhere else. When my crack dealer starts dissin me I switch to a new vice.:smokin:

hahaha, now thats funny right there.......the funny part is that you guys really think that......

your not talking shit are you Pete? :D :flipoff2:

Watching the ULTRA 4 class put a pile a money back on the trailer that are dedicated desert racers at the various races lately I would say that thinking that is pretty good. Can we keep pace with a TT or Class one if the course is right, yes, results have shown that, compete for the overall win, not yet?

If the same ole same ole fellas keep stroking their ego's in your racing and winning or not winning how much fun is that? I love new blood in ULTRA 4 racing, makes for a good day of racing.

your not talking shit are you Pete? :D :flipoff2:

Watching the ULTRA 4 class put a pile a money back on the trailer that are dedicated desert racers at the various races lately I would say that thinking that is pretty good. Can we keep pace with a TT or Class one if the course is right, yes, results have shown that, compete for the overall win, not yet?

If the same ole same ole fellas keep stroking their ego's in your racing and winning or not winning how much fun is that? I love new blood in ULTRA 4 racing, makes for a good day of racing.

Oh wait...what was that? A voice of reason.

Aside from all the bullshit people talk, Jeff and Doug are right. An overall win, No. Competing is a super fast class with a lot of drive, determination, volunteers (from Pirate) on a budget not funded by bankers and casino owners, Yes.

Pete, you know you started somewhere. You didn't have a high dollar TT from the beginning. If it wasn't for your love and desire for this sport you would have never made it as far as you did.

Dave is trying to break into the class 1 seen with some talent behind the wheel and a car that can hold its own. Its not 800hp with 4.0" kings but it can hold its own.

I respect what they are trying to do whether the big bad TT driver does or not.

Getting the thread back on topic....

Lance, count me in.

x2. Chase 4 is in!

where do I need to be?
when do I need to be there?
how many people do I need to bring?
What kind of equipment do I need to bring?

Luckily we will be starting ahead of you, but you will fuck up a lot of others' race that are stuck in your slow ass dust. Ask your buddy Pete, he'll tell you it is a bad idea and poor sportsmanship.

Ask the Camburg boys who thought it was OK to enter their Ranger in Trophy Truck. To some of you this is a grand adventure, to others it is a real race, don't mess it up for them :clown: :shaking:.

you might be starting ahead of us, odds are we will finish ahead of you. :laughing:

where do I need to be?
At the exact location the car needs you.
when do I need to be there?
Five minutes before the car is.
how many people do I need to bring?
All of them.
What kind of equipment do I need to bring?

Everything.

Those are the perfect answers!:D

At the exact location the car needs you.

Five minutes before the car is.

All of them.

Everything.

Those are the perfect answers!:D

:laughing: awesome

At the exact location the car needs you.

Five minutes before the car is.

All of them.

Everything.

Those are the perfect answers!:D
:laughing:


I mostly meant where and when do I need to meet the team to start this off.

:laughing:


I mostly meant where and when do I need to meet the team to start this off.


La Pere

As Adam posted earlier chase 3 will be back again. As for Baja Blazer, I'll race you in my chase truck!

As Adam posted earlier chase 3 will be back again. As for Baja Blazer, I'll race you in my chase truck!

Hah bring lots of fuel.:grinpimp:

I'll be glad to set your first pit at the entrance to the wash as you leave the pavement in Ensenada where we will hold you until all the faster classes have passed by, so that you won't be fucking up their race! Think that over:shaking:.

Fuck you.

Luckily we will be starting ahead of you, but you will fuck up a lot of others' race that are stuck in your slow ass dust. Ask your buddy Pete, he'll tell you it is a bad idea and poor sportsmanship.

Ask the Camburg boys who thought it was OK to enter their Ranger in Trophy Truck. To some of you this is a grand adventure, to others it is a real race, don't mess it up for them :clown: :shaking:.

Old school desert guys seem to be so good at getting new people interested in the sport. Amazing to me how they seem to go out of their way to turn people off. "You guys should stay in Jeepspeed where you belong, can't have some redneck do it yourself Rock Donkey's making big shot casino owners and developers look bad".


You have a valid point Ramsey.
You cant argue that they're not going to hold up the other's in the class a bit, but every class has non-competitve cars in it and you just have to work your way through them.
Theycould always rear start, but then they'll hold up some of the faster 10 and 12 cars...

We got F'd in the A by a pro truck in the 07 500 and so did half the field. Shit happens, you just deal with it.
Last years 1000 we caught a another pro truck that was out donkeying around and the second he realised a Jeep caught'em he picked up his speed just enough so we could'nt get past him. We ate his dust for 40 miles...
Fuckin dick head for sure, but we just dealt with it...
It's racing.

It'll be neat if they finish, but I'd like to see them shoot for better than 10th. 10th is lame.

your not talking shit are you Pete? :D :flipoff2:

Watching the ULTRA 4 class put a pile a money back on the trailer that are dedicated desert racers at the various races lately I would say that thinking that is pretty good. Can we keep pace with a TT or Class one if the course is right, yes, results have shown that, compete for the overall win, not yet?

If the same ole same ole fellas keep stroking their ego's in your racing and winning or not winning how much fun is that? I love new blood in ULTRA 4 racing, makes for a good day of racing.

doug, keep pace? results have shown? please come to primm next week with a 4 wheel drive and show ME! or just come out and watch.......you havent a clue.......sorry i couldnt sugar coat that better..........you guys are all confused about me, i have NOTHING against your class, i think its GREAT......but to think you are competeing with the unlimited cars is silly......to donkey around and finish is great if thats your goal, but is that racing? thats like entering a class with no other competitors in it.......

I'd guess racing for 10th is like a blind man at a strip club.....you an smell it but not see it......





it stinks:grinpimp:

Anywaaaayyyyyyzzzzzz....

Glad to see all the interest! We are going to rock this bitch!

Old school desert guys seem to be so good at getting new people interested in the sport. Amazing to me how they seem to go out of their way to turn people off. "You guys should stay in Jeepspeed where you belong, can't have some redneck do it yourself Rock Donkey's making big shot casino owners and developers look bad".

If the car meets the rules why not race it in Class1? IMHO Daves car is not far off what the Campbell car is and he is pulling some pretty good finish times in BITD class 1. Save the guy who owns the car, the people driving it all have baja experience, the guy who built it showed up in a brand new class 1 car a few years ago and did pretty good, and I remember a few baja races where the course was so tight that TT's and class 1 cars where not that fast in the first sections of the course.

I can not blame them for wanting to start the race further forward, it gets old racing at the back, Let them have a taste of what its like in the front, they will either rise to the occassion or retreat back to the slower classes. If the fast cars can navigate the locals on the course than I am sure they can pass a Rock crawler.


I bet Sal cashes the entry fee check either way. Its not like the purse is very good for winning the baja 1000 anyway, so what damage would they really be doing if they did slow down someone? I am guessing the winner of a half assed race through the rocks in Feb gets a fatter check then the over all winner of the baja 1000. Maybe we should consider making the Desert guys all start at the back in KOH because they can not seem to drive worth a shit in that race? Can't have Rob Mac, holding up Jason Scherer trying to get to his fat check!:flipoff2:


If the desert guys can't see that Pirate4x4 introduces a whole new demographic to the adventure of racing baja through this kind of stuff, than they will resolve to be remembered for what they were and not what they can be.

Us "Old school desert guys" welcome new racers and vehicles to the sport, we just want you to start in the right place. No doubt, that is a nice "rig" and could finish well, but it can't run at the start of the race in Class 1 without causing problems and that is not good sportsmanship or safe! It is not fair to the Class 1, 10, 12, 16... cars that start behind them.

Are you kidding me, "If the car meets the rules why not race it in Class1?" - Dumb Ass - Class 1 is UNLIMITED, a Yamaha Rhino meets the rules. If this was Campbell's car and he was driving, I might feel different, but these adventure seekers are screwing with other's race.

hahaha, now thats funny right there.......the funny part is that you guys really think that......

Pete, you and I don't always see things the same way, but when I agree with you, I am the first to say so........ and when I don't, well you are just wrong:laughing:.... Knock some sense in to these Pirate Boys.

What do you drive and do you have a pic of the rear of the car? :DWhat picture do you want, I've race just about every class faster than a Class 11 in the last 20 plus years and won the 500 or 1000 eight times. I know what it is like dealing with slow cars that start ahead of you, we had to pass all but nine of them to win in 2008, 10th O/A. There were only 5 Trophy Trucks and 4 Class 1s in front of our Class 12 at the 500 and we did just as well at the 1000. First time I've won them both in the same year - felt good! How about you BJ Cruiser? By the way, the rear of the car looks like dust to you:smokin:.

good sportsmanship or safe! It is not fair to the Class 1, 10, 12, 16... cars that start behind them.




I've started in front of 16's all season this year at BITD, and they've never come close to passing us. We start behind 12's and are usually most of the way through that class by the first pit.

By the time we get the new motor back from Pacific Fab, we won't be a hinderance to 10's either.

I'm a racer through and through, if I wanted an adventure I'd hang out in the strip clubs in TJ. We are coming to race. Don't like it? Stay home. I don't really care.


Your sig says you're smarter than dirt...you're still dumber than rocks ;)

I just gotta LOL

but these adventure seekers are screwing with other's race.


Fuck you you fucking elitist cunt:rolleyes:

I love adventure! Call me Indiana Jones!:laughing:

Us "Old school desert guys".......... How about you BJ Cruiser? By the way, the rear of the car looks like dust to you:smokin:.

Pretty sure I want to see that statement made in person. I may volunteer just on fuckin principle now.



Just sayin.
Rick.

In HS I was on the wrestling team. I will NEVER forget when I had to wrestle some chick that decided to wrestle for another school. I was scared OFF MY ASS, becuase if I lost, I would never hear the end of it. Of course it was some monster 300 pound Samoan chick and she threw me around like a rag-doll. LOL!

I am guessing that's the REAL issue here. How embarrassing would it be for a TT driver to be passed by a rockcrawler? I wouldn't wanna be THAT guy.

Just sayin...

Please resume filling the chase team...

Oh. For the record, I am not comparing Dave to a 300 pound Samoan chick. I was mearly trying to suggest that maybe the TT guys are worried about getting beat by a Ultra4 car.

I just gotta LOL
No one is laughing harder than me. Good luck at the B1K!

No one is laughing harder than me. Good luck at the B1K!


So what about this is funny?

The car, the drivers, the team?

What car will you be in? Driving or CoDriving?

No one is laughing harder than me. Good luck at the B1K!

Well, actually, if its any consolation, I do believe I am laughing harder than you.Because I aint some washed up old prick, I gotcha by at least ten years, and if you think racin is all there is, you are definitely dumber than lance thinks you are. Just sayin.

:laughing::laughing:

Us "Old school desert guys" welcome new racers and vehicles to the sport, we just want you to start in the right place. No doubt, that is a nice "rig" and could finish well, but it can't run at the start of the race in Class 1 without causing problems and that is not good sportsmanship or safe! It is not fair to the Class 1, 10, 12, 16... cars that start behind them.

Are you kidding me, "If the car meets the rules why not race it in Class1?" - Dumb Ass - Class 1 is UNLIMITED, a Yamaha Rhino meets the rules. If this was Campbell's car and he was driving, I might feel different, but these adventure seekers are screwing with other's race.



Nice way of welcoming some cross-over racers into your sport! :shaking:

Have you seen this car race? Have you been around these drivers before? Before you judge or assume their car is too slow or they have limited experience, you may want to see the car and drivers in action first. Many of these guys have huge amounts of seat time and helpfull friends with vast amounts of desert racing experience behind them. They may surprise you!

And like Filarski said, any pro car/truck/driver can mess up the race for everyone behind them.....and there is a good chance this 4x4 Class 1 car can bypass any traffic jam baja throws at them. :grinpimp:

Your sig says you're smarter than dirt...you're still dumber than rocks ;)

That's pretty funny. :laughing:

Logistically speaking, I don't have a chase truck to offer...from NJ to the Baja peninsula is a pretty long ride. However if you've got use for people that know their way around a rig, can wrench on anything, and can macgyver their way out of a hole in the ground...my race season here ends in October and I've got frequent flier miles to burn. And a bunch of PTO hours to get rid of.

I'm more than interested in helping out, as much as I can anyway.

Nice way of welcoming some cross-over racers into your sport! :shaking:

Have you seen this car race? Have you been around these drivers before? Before you judge or assume their car is too slow or they have limited experience, you may want to see the car and drivers in action first. Many of these guys have huge amounts of seat time and helpfull friends with vast amounts of desert racing experience behind them. They may surprise you!

And like Filarski said, any pro car/truck/driver can mess up the race for everyone behind them.....and there is a good chance this 4x4 Class 1 car can bypass any traffic jam baja throws at them. :grinpimp:

Considering my car has never been passed in any race while we were moving, and I've stopped to assist/tow/roll over at least a half dozen guys that would have had their race ended if we didn't help... I'm thinking we are WAY up in the racers Karma debt bank.

I love being the underdog.

Us "Old school desert guys" welcome new racers and vehicles to the sport, we just want you to start in the right place. :.

Well my first baja 1000 driving was in 1985 in class 1600. Since then I have driven in 9 baja 1000 and won 3 of them. Have raced in class 1600 ,5-1600, 5 unlimited, 8 and 1700.

Lance has 3 baja 1000 wins and a 500 win in class 7.2

Shaffer has many wins and score and bitd championships to his credit.

Mello, 100 off road wins to his name and last I checked one of them is a baja 1000 1st place trophy.

Dave the car owner and "new guy" has limited desert race experience so if that is who you are worried about I would not not sweat it to much. He is driving the last leg.

Our core chase crew knows their way around the peninsula and approach the race with a level of commitment and professionalism that rivals any team in the sport. Bar none.


So while we may be bringing an unconventional car to race, don't think for a second that it is not a legit race effort. If we didn't think it belonged in an unlimited class we would not be racing in that class.

but these adventure seekers are screwing with other's race.


.

Rather then belittle your opinion by calling you ignorant, I will ask you to elaborate on this absurd statement.

What aspect about team pirates race program do you feel is going to interfere with with other competitors race ?

In my 25 years of desert racing I can recount story after story of my teams aiding other competitors with everything from lifesaving medical aid, to search and rescue assistance, lending of parts, more repair assistance then I can remember, our planning covers everything from pre running every mile to having all 30 team members emergency contact info and blood type on file.

So unless you are counting getting beat by a bunch of rock donkeys as screwing with others race you are simply misinformed.

Make no mistake about it. We are coming to compete and we know exactly what the requirments are to do so.

All I know for sure is that my Baja vacation begins in 73 days!

All I know for sure is that my Baja vacation begins in 73 days!
:beer:

Dave the car owner and "new guy" has limited desert race experience so if that is who you are worried about I would not not sweat it to much. He is driving the last leg.




I keep saying, 'He's gonna surprise some people.'

Bottom line, it's an unconventional car and some "purists" are going to have an issue with it (just like some have an "issue" with Shannon's car when he shows up...right before he spanks them:laughing:). Honestly, who cares, there are consistently teams that show up to race TT and Class 1 that are unprepped and unprepared, that are virtually guaranteed to break early and often. There are "conventional" TT and Class 1 teams that show up at races consistently that don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the overall. So saying that "Team Pirate" is going to be a hindrance to other teams is honestly absurd. I seriously doubt, as Lance said, that the team will show up either unprepped or unprepared, so will be FAR better off than alot of teams on those merits alone. .02

hahaha, now thats funny right there.......the funny part is that you guys really think that......

It is not fair to the Class 1, 10, 12, 16... cars that start behind them....I might feel different, but these adventure seekers are screwing with other's race.

Pete, you and I don't always see things the same way, but when I agree with you, I am the first to say so........ and when I don't, well you are just wrong:laughing:.... Knock some sense in to these Pirate Boys.


Butthurt....Party of two....

This is awesome.....

As some of you may have heard, we are putting together a hair brained idea to race a rock crawler in the Baja 1000 in November from Ensenada to La Paz in the 4454 Koh car. Did i mention we are entering in class 1? :eek:

It appears that even Lance recognizes entering in Class 1 is questionable "entering in class 1? :eek:".

Well my first baja 1000 driving was in 1985 in class 1600. Since then I have driven in 9 baja 1000 and won 3 of them. Have raced in class 1600 ,5-1600, 5 unlimited, 8 and 1700.

Lance has 3 baja 1000 wins and a 500 win in class 7.2

Shaffer has many wins and score and bitd championships to his credit.

Mello, 100 off road wins to his name and last I checked one of them is a baja 1000 1st place trophy.

Dave the car owner and "new guy" has limited desert race experience so if that is who you are worried about I would not not sweat it to much. He is driving the last leg.

Our core chase crew knows their way around the peninsula and approach the race with a level of commitment and professionalism that rivals any team in the sport. Bar none.


So while we may be bringing an unconventional car to race, don't think for a second that it is not a legit race effort. If we didn't think it belonged in an unlimited class we would not be racing in that class.

Rather then belittle your opinion by calling you ignorant, I will ask you to elaborate on this absurd statement.

What aspect about team pirates race program do you feel is going to interfere with with other competitors race ?

In my 25 years of desert racing I can recount story after story of my teams aiding other competitors with everything from lifesaving medical aid, to search and rescue assistance, lending of parts, more repair assistance then I can remember, our planning covers everything from pre running every mile to having all 30 team members emergency contact info and blood type on file.

So unless you are counting getting beat by a bunch of rock donkeys as screwing with others race you are simply misinformed.

Make no mistake about it. We are coming to compete and we know exactly what the requirments are to do so.

I acknowledge your teams success and experience in slower class with low enty numbers, and not trying to "dis" you with this comment. Let me put it this way; If you were racing a real $200K+ Class 1 at the level of Armin Schwarz, Harley Letner, Josh Daniels, McMillins, Willsons, and all the other potential winners; would you be happy if an entry just like your's was starting just ahead of you and your best opponents were ahead of that slow entry?

Take a rear start you say; then you have the fast Class 10 and 12 guys pissed at you!

It is not a good situation, one I have thought about myself, because I am planning on soloing (done that twice now to La Paz and Cabo) the 2017 Baja 1000, 50th Anniversary, in my very capable Prerunner. With 22" in the front and 30" in the back, 90" track width, 122" wheel base, four-wheel drive, 650 Hp BB, on 37s, I will also be entering in Trophy Truck and will be faced with a decision just like yours, but with a much more capable desert race vehicle.

Maybe I should enter it in KOH and get it hung up, blocking an obstacle early in the race, because that is not what it was built for and cause problems for those who start behind me - its just an analogy.

Maybe I should enter it in KOH and get it hung up, blocking an obstacle early in the race, because that is not what it was built for and cause problems for those who start behind me - its just an analogy.

Only if you want to get your "much more capable desert race vehicle" driven over like it were part of the landscape.

Educate a Rock Donkey without a dog in this fight....

If Dave's car is so out classed, isn't there room to pass early on in this race? Why not just take him out early and let the other classes worry about him?

Most of the You Tube ride alongs I have done it seems that the first 50 miles are more open before you get into the mountains. If this thing is so outclassed, that is plenty of time to deal with him, right?

Maybe I should enter it in KOH and get it hung up, blocking an obstacle early in the race, because that is not what it was built for and cause problems for those who start behind me - its just an analogy.

Please do.. I would like to drive over it... If you can make it to the first obsticle..:p:p:p

It appears that even Lance recognizes entering in Class 1 is questionable "entering in class 1? :eek:".

I agree with you, these fools are muy loco!!! But some of the craziest shit I've ever seen pulled off was "questionable" from the get go. If any car/team can pull off the B1K and not look like they are out in left field chasing butterflies its this team.

Maybe I should enter it in KOH and get it hung up, blocking an obstacle early in the race, because that is not what it was built for and cause problems for those who start behind me - its just an analogy.

I'm all for it, where do you plan to qualify in at?
Or are you going for the "Crossover" entry. Those havent done well to date, meaing none have even had a whif of the finishline. Pistol...McCachren...Roger Norman...Cam Steele...BJ Baldwin (no show)...Brian Deegan(Short course)

I'd go as far to say Rock Crawlers crossing over to Desert, have had much more success.
See Camo's list above, plus add in Shannon Campbell, and Brad Lovell.

Us "Old school desert guys" welcome new racers and vehicles to the sport, we just want you to start in the right place. No doubt, that is a nice "rig" and could finish well, but it can't run at the start of the race in Class 1 without causing problems and that is not good sportsmanship or safe! It is not fair to the Class 1, 10, 12, 16... cars that start behind them.

Are you kidding me, "If the car meets the rules why not race it in Class1?" - Dumb Ass - Class 1 is UNLIMITED, a Yamaha Rhino meets the rules. If this was Campbell's car and he was driving, I might feel different, but these adventure seekers are screwing with other's race.


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Ramsey I was a big fan of your's until your posts. This elitist attitude is Bullshit. Its obvious that you don't have a clue who is driving this car, or know anything about the car. You feeling better about Campbell is just name association.

..... Silverstate 300 our first car was less than an hour behind the overall winner. It was his first desert race, and the next three cars where all right with him. The Ultra4 cars are not getting passed by 1600 cars, and in fact they are passing faster cars in front of them early on. Some of the guys at Silverstate stopped for every car stuck in the silt and pulled them out, and still made it to the finish line before it closed. Bad sportsmanship?

Its not unheard of for the Ultra4's to dig into the 7200 within a hundred miles. I would have to go look it up but Ultra4 cars beat class one and TT's in the Silverstate as well. Because they got beat by a rock crawler do they not deserve to race in TT or C1?

Ultra4 cars are Unlimited 4x4 vehicles. There is only one rule.... It needs a two speed transfer case that is operational. Since SCORE does not recognize the Ultra4 class, than the car fits in Class one. Plain and simple. I understand that you would suggest it race sportsman but really? Do you think anyone really wants to race a car like this in sportsman? IT Sucks! I know this because at the 2009 Vegas to Reno race. Ultra4 had to start at the back behind sportsman every day for 3 days. We moved all the way up to 7200 every day. I will never race sportsman in an Ultra4 car again. You can't hit a 1600 car with an ultra4 car because it will destroy the 1600 car, and 1600 cars will not move over. Guess that where the attitude is in the end. You do race 1600 still correct?

I am not racing Baja this year due to lack of time and Money, but I feel very passionate about Ultra4 cars. Dave and I have poured our heart and souls into Ultra4 racing for the last 5 years, and it puts me on the defense when people talk shit about them. Our cars and drivers are just starting to develop. Give us a few years and we will be pushing into the top three clases at some races. Its just a matter of time.

I am sure some people in class one may pass this car, but I doubt it will be a trail tampon. If Lance or Jason Scherer is driving at the start I think maybe the other guys should be afraid of getting passed. Both are solid drivers.

It appears that even Lance recognizes entering in Class 1 is questionable "entering in class 1? :eek:".





I acknowledge your teams success and experience in slower class with low enty numbers, and not trying to "dis" you with this comment. Let me put it this way; If you were racing a real $200K+ Class 1 at the level of Armin Schwarz, Harley Letner, Josh Daniels, McMillins, Willsons, and all the other potential winners; would you be happy if an entry just like your's was starting just ahead of you and your best opponents were ahead of that slow entry?

Take a rear start you say; then you have the fast Class 10 and 12 guys pissed at you!

It is not a good situation, one I have thought about myself, because I am planning on soloing (done that twice now to La Paz and Cabo) the 2017 Baja 1000, 50th Anniversary, in my very capable Prerunner. With 22" in the front and 30" in the back, 90" track width, 122" wheel base, four-wheel drive, 650 Hp BB, on 37s, I will also be entering in Trophy Truck and will be faced with a decision just like yours, but with a much more capable desert race vehicle.

Maybe I should enter it in KOH and get it hung up, blocking an obstacle early in the race, because that is not what it was built for and cause problems for those who start behind me - its just an analogy.

The Blazer your building is not a much more capable vehicle then 4454.

You would be welcomed with open arms to race any vehicle you can qualify with for KOH. We don't discriminate against desert racers even though they can't finish the King of the Hammers, and have been known to create traffic jams. Unless your name is Robby Gordon the free pass to desert racers has about run its course.

http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showthread.php/85794-Pirates-or-Clowns-am-I-right-or-wrong


Predictable.

I acknowledge your teams success and experience in slower class with low enty numbers, and not trying to "dis" you with this comment. Let me put it this way; If you were racing a real $200K+ Class 1 at the level of Armin Schwarz, Harley Letner, Josh Daniels, McMillins, Willsons, and all the other potential winners; would you be happy if an entry just like your's was starting just ahead of you and your best opponents were ahead of that slow entry?

Take a rear start you say; then you have the fast Class 10 and 12 guys pissed at you!

It is not a good situation, one I have thought about myself, because I am planning on soloing (done that twice now to La Paz and Cabo) the 2017 Baja 1000, 50th Anniversary, in my very capable Prerunner. With 22" in the front and 30" in the back, 90" track width, 122" wheel base, four-wheel drive, 650 Hp BB, on 37s, I will also be entering in Trophy Truck and will be faced with a decision just like yours, but with a much more capable desert race vehicle.

Maybe I should enter it in KOH and get it hung up, blocking an obstacle early in the race, because that is not what it was built for and cause problems for those who start behind me - its just an analogy.

That's funny your car's specs are nearly identical to mine. You've 3.5" more of Front Travel and you're 4" longer. The new motor is in that league and I'm on 39's.

And I forgot it was all about the money for guys like you. Don't worry, I've got well north of 175k into my car as well. Does that mean I'm cool enough?

So it's ok for you to solo in a substandard car, starting 40 spots ahead of us. But it's unsportmsan for us to do it? Checking Webster's Dictionary, looks like you are the defintion of an ignorant hypocrite. Good on ya.

Boy Baja you really are a bitch. Ya got slapped here and then you go complain over on the other board.

Bet your freind list is pretty short.

Educate a Rock Donkey without a dog in this fight....

If Dave's car is so out classed, isn't there room to pass early on in this race? Why not just take him out early and let the other classes worry about him?

Most of the You Tube ride alongs I have done it seems that the first 50 miles are more open before you get into the mountains. If this thing is so outclassed, that is plenty of time to deal with him, right?

No most of the problems with traffic and slow vehicles is in the first 50 miles where it is dusty and tight.

That's funny your car's specs are nearly identical to mine. You've 3.5" more of Front Travel and you're 4" longer. The new motor is in that league and I'm on 39's.

And I forgot it was all about the money for guys like you. Don't worry, I've got well north of 175k into my car as well. Does that mean I'm cool enough?

So it's ok for you to solo in a substandard car, starting 40 spots ahead of us. But it's unsportmsan for us to do it? Checking Webster's Dictionary, looks like you are the defintion of an ignorant hypocrite. Good on ya.

Your car has 118" wheelbase Dave?:eek:
looks shorter.

http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showthread.php/85794-Pirates-or-Clowns-am-I-right-or-wrong


Predictable.

What is wrong with sharing this debate?

No most of the problems with traffic and slow vehicles is in the first 50 miles where it is dusty and tight.

Actually, for us guys in the back, traffic is shitty for the first 90.
Super dusty, trucks and buggies stuck in the first silt beds and the first couple steep climbs scare some of the new guys...

And we get the huge ruts and woops from the front runners the entire race... Thanks for that.:flipoff2:

Wait....I could race my Rhino in Class 1?? :smokin:

What is wrong with sharing this debate?

If you want to debate, then answer my above questions.

We have for all intents the same car (stats wise), but evidently mine has a year more of testing and tuning. You're going to start 40 cars in front of us with less cuumulative experience in the car. Yet, we're unsportsmanlike.

If you just want to flap your gums, carry on.

Your car has 118" wheelbase Dave?:eek:
looks shorter.


Actually 118.5 if you want to get technical.

I think 86" track width.

18.5" travel front

26" travel rear (limited to balance the front)

New motor will be pushing 600 Hp


The whole 'not enough travel freak show' story was kind of put to rest by the VW's in TT wasn't it?

What is wrong with sharing this debate?

Nothing except trying start a forum War. Thats pretty Lame. Looks like it did not work so what ever? have a nice day I have to get back to work its been fun, I don't get to argue on the web much anymore so thanks for the opportunity.

Only if you want to get your "much more capable desert race vehicle" driven over like it were part of the landscape.

Please do.. I would like to drive over it... If you can make it to the first obsticle..:p:p:p

Well you two took the bait. Now reverse the rolls if your minds can handle it and realize what you are inviting the faster desert cars to do to this entry.:flipoff2:





The Blazer your building is not a much more capable vehicle then 4454.

You would be welcomed with open arms to race any vehicle you can qualify with for KOH. We don't discriminate against desert racers even though they can't finish the King of the Hammers, and have been known to create traffic jams. Unless your name is Robby Gordon the free pass to desert racers has about run its course.

Jeff, they are welcome, no where have I said otherwise. We don't have qualifing, any fool can enter, it has been done way too many times in the wrong class. Does that make it right?


Boy Baja you really are a bitch. Ya got slapped here and then you go complain over on the other board.

Bet your freind list is pretty short. At least my "freind"s can spell, and read - no I didn't complain on RDC, I just brought it to their attention and asked if I was right or wrong. Opinions vary there as well.

If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it, If I'm right, well you can all kiss my ass!

What is wrong with sharing this debate?

Gimme a break:shaking:

Just like a little bitch on the playground you ran back to your buddys for backup when you got in over your head.

Nothing except trying start a forum War. Thats pretty Lame. Looks like it did not work so what ever? have a nice day I have to get back to work its been fun, I don't get to argue on the web much anymore so thanks for the opportunity.

Not trying to start anything, just stating my opinions, and sharing them - and that worked.

You guys all take this so personal, why so defensive, worried?

I love adventure!

I wont share my Keysones with ya............

I don't get to argue on the web much anymore so thanks for the opportunity.

That's the downside of us becoming friends:laughing::laughing:

Gimme a break:shaking:

Just like a little bitch on the playground you ran back to your buddys for backup when you got in over your head.

I'm here, and not over my head, not on this board.

Gimme a break:shaking:

Just like a little bitch on the playground you ran back to your buddys for backup when you got in over your head.


Really the argument is better fitting over there.
Rock crawlers can say all day that they think it's the right thing to do, but over there you'll get reply's from actuall people in the class.

It was going to come up over there sooner than later and Pirate might as well capitolize on the publicity and not make butt hurt reply's about not being excepted and how we accept them ect. ect...

I love adventure!



Where's your 2009?
:flipoff2:

*Edit*

Nevermind. Found it... :flipoff2:

I'm here, and not over my head, not on this board.


Then answer the questions. Pretty simple really.

Where's your 2009?
:flipoff2:

*Edit*

Nevermind. Found it... :flipoff2:

Nice.

Where's your 2009?
:flipoff2:

*Edit*

Nevermind. Found it... :flipoff2:

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

Where's your 2009?
:flipoff2:

*Edit*

Nevermind. Found it... :flipoff2:

:(

Still waiting on my 2010 B500 trophy. so tell your butt buddy Ron to hurry up and send it to me! :flipoff2:

Wow... This thread got WAY off track. I am pretty sure I started this thread to round up volunteers for a capable, experienced race team. Baja_Blazer, shut the fuck up. I don't give a shit about how cool you think you are, and how fast you think you are. You're a fucking hypocrite, and you can kiss my hairy bean bag. Stay out of my thread and start your own. Oh wait, you did already. :rolleyes:

Well you two took the bait. Now reverse the rolls if your minds can handle it and realize what you are inviting the faster desert cars to do to this entry.:flipoff2:

The difference is, the "rock crawlers" wouldn't get all butt hurt if that happened. But I'm sure you'd sack up and handle it like a man too....:rolleyes:

Is it just me, or has the Desert Racing forum had more drama than Chit Chat in the last week or so?

Blazer, I don't think it's your opinion that anyone is having a hard time with. It's the pompous attitude you are using to get your point across. I'm not going to lie here. I was pretty upset when Lance told me they'd be entering Class 1 (no offense Dave, you know I love ya). I see no point in racing if you're not racing to win. It's a waste of our time and money. But I've had a few weeks to think it over. Everyone needs to start somewhere and if they entered Sportsman, they'd have no idea how hard they can push the car to stay in the race. Do I think they're going to win? No. Do I think they should enter Class 1? Yes. But only time will tell. I guess we can continue this conversation November 23rd when we get back from La Paz.

Is it just me, or has the Desert Racing forum had more drama than Chit Chat in the last week or so?

Blazer, I don't think it's your opinion that anyone is having a hard time with. It's the pompous attitude you are using to get your point across. I'm not going to lie here. I was pretty upset when Lance told me they'd be entering Class 1 (no offense Dave, you know I love ya). I see no point in racing if you're not racing to win. It's a waste of our time and money. But I've had a few weeks to think it over. Everyone needs to start somewhere and if they entered Sportsman, they'd have no idea how hard they can push the car to stay in the race. Do I think they're going to win? No. Do I think they should enter Class 1? Yes. But only time will tell. I guess we can continue this conversation November 23rd when we get back from La Paz.

I just IM'd Dave... We are racing to win now. :flipoff2:

I just IM'd Dave... We are racing to win now. :flipoff2:

Get it....what part are the two of us driving:confused:

I just IM'd Dave... We are racing to win now. :flipoff2:

Now why was this not first on list to do?:D

I just IM'd Dave... We are racing to win now. :flipoff2:

KICK THE TIRES AND LIGHT THE FIRES!!!!! GET IT!!!! :smokin:

Seems there are more people that don't have a problem than do in the RDC thread. There's nothing cooler than being an "underdog" and having a bunch of naysayers.:smokin:

I just IM'd Dave... We are racing to win now. :flipoff2:


Haha. Your ol'Lady called you out...:D

Haha. Your ol'Lady called you out...:D

She has a habit of doing that. :D

Haha. Your ol'Lady called you out...:D

:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

What ever you do don't stop and pull the cry babies out of a hole. Stick it in low and go over them.

What ever you do don't stop and pull the cry babies out of a hole. Stick it in low and go over them.

Are you going to give the Mil a run this year?

Haha. Your ol'Lady called you out...:D
I'm a DRIVER'S WIFE. :laughing:

I'm a DRIVER'S WIFE. :laughing:

and we so APPRECIATE it!!!!! :smokin:

what ever you do don't stop and pull the cry babies out of a hole. Stick it in low and go over them.

are you going to give the mil a run this year?


bock bock bock bagockkkk!!!....

What is wrong with sharing this debate?

Nothing is wrong with sharing the debate.

However I asked you a very specific question and you did not answer it.

so let me ask it again.


you make the statement that

but these adventure seekers are screwing with other's race.

:.

and my simple question was,
What aspect about team pirates race program do you feel is going to interfere with with other competitors race ?

Nothing is wrong with sharing the debate.

However I asked you a very specific question and you did not answer it.

so let me ask it again.


you make the statement that



and my simple question was,
What aspect about team pirates race program do you feel is going to interfere with with other competitors race ?

I told him he wasn't allowed in my thread anymore. I change my mind, he may continue to post in here if he likes. :homer:

No most of the problems with traffic and slow vehicles is in the first 50 miles where it is dusty and tight.

Better have good dust wipers then:flipoff2: Seems like the other thread has not gone Bobo Blazers way.

Who are the drivers of record for the 4454...any idea yet?

Who are the drivers of record for the 4454...any idea yet?

It's a secret. :flipoff2:

It's a secret. :flipoff2:

PM me the secret so I don't have to go over your head to the big kahuna:grinpimp: I probably don't even know half the names:shaking:

PM me the secret so I don't have to go over your head to the big kahuna:grinpimp: I probably don't even know half the names:shaking:

Its not that much of a secret, its posted in this thread already;)

Let me put it this way; If you were racing a real $200K+ Class 1 at the level of Armin Schwarz, Harley Letner, Josh Daniels, McMillins, Willsons, and all the other potential winners; would you be happy if an entry just like your's was starting just ahead of you and your best opponents were ahead of that slow entry?

Take a rear start you say; then you have the fast Class 10 and 12 guys pissed at you!

.

and since I am going to be insistent that you answer my question I will go ahead and answer yours.

If any of your named class 1 racers ( or any other ones for that matter ) have a real issue with the race program team pirate4x4 is bringing to this years baja 1000 then they can call me directly to discuss. my cell number is 530-333-5145


Other then that, speaking for my team. we have nothing but respect for each and every racer in all classes and none of the drivers, chase crew or others affiliated with team pirate4x4 is not going to act in any manner that disrespects other drivers or teams. Our race program is focused on being safe, competitive and fun.

camo

I see no point in racing if you're not racing to win. It's a waste of our time and money.

I have heard that over and over again. I went to the hammers to finish and learn how it is done.

The day after the 2010 King of the hammers If I said I was going to win an Ultra 4 race against Shannon Campbell, Derek West, Eric Miller, and The King with my POS rock Crawler you all would have laughed, but it happened.

I guess the moral of the story is that if you want it, Go get it.

If it was up to me guys I would be there in a second to help out. I have to tend to my job and faimily first, but I want to go.

-Lucas

Its not that much of a secret, its posted in this thread already;)

It's not 100% yet, but Team Pirate is Shaffer, Mello, Lance, and Camo. I'm the new guy. The exact rotation is still up in the air.

d

It's not 100% yet, but Team Pirate is Shaffer, Mello, Lance, and Camo. I'm the new guy. The exact rotation is still up in the air.

d

If you guys need a ringer to start the race in the class 1 field just PM me...:D

If you guys need a ringer to start the race in the class 1 field just PM me...:D


Our outlook shift from 'Adventurer' to 'Total Class Domination' probably precludes you from consideration:flipoff2:

if you guys need a ringer to start the race in the class 1 field just pm me...:d

x2:D

Our outlook shift from 'Adventurer' to 'Total Class Domination' probably precludes you from consideration:flipoff2:

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

Our outlook shift from 'Adventurer' to 'Total Chaos and Demolition' probably precludes you from consideration:flipoff2:


Sounds like it's right up my alley...:flipoff2:

team pirate4x4 is not going to act in any manner that disrespects other drivers or teams.
camo

No disrespect? You must be staying at home :laughing:

Our outlook shift from 'Adventurer' to 'Total Class Domination' probably precludes you from consideration:flipoff2:

There's got to be a t-shirt quote in there somewhere?



The tighter sections of Baja will Favor Dave's car for sure, anything that can get through the twistys at Rausch and the wide opens of Johnson Valley has can surely hang. Love to help but I'll be cheering at the little dot on my computer screen as it passes Bozo Blazer, from 3000 miles away

It's not 100% yet, but Team Pirate is Shaffer, Mello, Lance, and Camo. I'm the new guy. The exact rotation is still up in the air.

d

You're gonna need a few co-dogs. Have Dramamine, will travel.:D

Gimme a break:shaking:

Just like a little bitch on the playground you ran back to your buddys for backup when you got in over your head.

And it looks like it backfired on him. Does not seem he got as much support over there as he ASSumed he would.

Are you going to give the Mil a run this year?

Toyin' with it. Flarski called me out.
I've never raced Mexico before and I don't have an experienced crew.
Also hearing 20 to 30 k to run point to point, construction kind of sucks right now so that may not go over big.

bock bock bock bagockkkk!!!....

If I wasn't such a pussy I would make you pay for that.:mad3:

Cluck Cluck Cluck

Dave's car is more class 1 then any other ultra4.
Going into my first desert race I was thinking how running a 2wd would be eaiser/cheaper then our 4wd rigs. My thought was drive this race and see what class would be more suitable for me. Well After the SS300 I realized having 4wd is a huge advantage, we passed many stuck cars and trucks and even pulled one out.
I will say that the 2wd guys may be faster in the long stretches, but the 4wd guys will rule the tight twisty and rocky sections.
One thing everybody seems to forget, this is an endurance race, not a drag race. Any one remember the tortoise and rabbit story from kindergarten???????
Much love for Team Pirate and Ultra4.

One thing everybody seems to forget, this is an endurance race, not a drag race. .

not everybody forgot that :laughing:
it is no accident that we didn't pick the San Felipe 250 to race.

Toyin' with it. Flarski called me out.
I've never raced Mexico before and I don't have an experienced crew.
Also hearing 20 to 30 k to run point to point, construction kind of sucks right now so that may not go over big.

If I wasn't such a pussy I would make you pay for that.:mad3:

Cluck Cluck Cluck

Ha!

You'll never look at stateside racing the same after Baja Perry...
You can do it for 20K with BFG's on.

Ha!

You'll never look at stateside racing the same after Baja Perry...
You can do it for 20K with BFG's on.

So I can put you down for 10k?

not a drag race.


Unless you are hanging out with the DA at
mikes sky ranch.:flipoff2:

Sorry for the noob question here, But what exactly is the difference between Daves car and a Class 1 car?

Sorry for the noob question here, But what exactly is the difference between Daves car and a Class 1 car?

Basically, Shorter, not as wide, little less travel but not much.... But has the option of 2wd and 4wd hi & low range...:smokin:

this thread is getting awsome ....

Educate a Rock Donkey without a dog in this fight....

If Dave's car is so out classed, isn't there room to pass early on in this race? Why not just take him out early and let the other classes worry about him?

Most of the You Tube ride alongs I have done it seems that the first 50 miles are more open before you get into the mountains. If this thing is so outclassed, that is plenty of time to deal with him, right?

exactly the OPPISITE......single track for the first 125....

Actually 118.5 if you want to get technical.

I think 86" track width.

18.5" travel front

26" travel rear (limited to balance the front)

New motor will be pushing 600 Hp


The whole 'not enough travel freak show' story was kind of put to rest by the VW's in TT wasn't it?

aaah no....the touregs were a joke as well.....even the tt one they built sucked........carry on

Sorry for the noob question here, But what exactly is the difference between Daves car and a Class 1 car?

actually that is about the most intelligent post in this thread so far :smoking:

I will let Dave post up specific details but the gist of it is :

daves cars is a few inches shorter wheel base then a typical class 1 and
Several inches narrower then a class 1

only a few other class 1 cars have ever run 4wd

running the 4wd necessitates the biggest difference in the 2 cars and that is travel.

daves car has about 25% less travel in the front but 10% more in the rear then a class 1 putting it about where a class 12 is at.

Horsepower wise we should be an average setup with a built 6.0 lsx motor.

another huge difference and one that favors daves car in my opinion is that it doesn't have a weak rear transaxle. the weak link on most class 1 cars is the rear transaxle and CV joints. Daves is a solid axle like a TT is setup.

for a race like the baja 1000 the difference in front end travel is certainly an issue cause travel is always good.. but not a game ending deal. we all recall what the VW team managed with only about 10" of travel. :smoking:

the tighter and twister the course is with silt, sand washes and hill climbs favor Daves car. San Felipe whoops favor a class 1.

For the record Daves car is capable of 120mph not that it really matters as very little time is spend above 100mph. I have no idea what a typical class 1 car top speed is.

exactly the OPPISITE......single track for the first 125....

Robby makes it look like there is plenty of room to pass, maybe take some notes???:flipoff2:
YouTube - Robby Gordon 2009 Baja 500 First Five Race Minutes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IpPVFkHX0Q)

only a few other class 1 cars have ever run 4wd


Do the other 4wd C 1 cars run in 2wd and switch to 4wd for the tighter stuff? IIRC dave runs most of the open stuff in 2wd right?

Robby makes it look like there is plenty of room to pass, maybe take some notes???:flipoff2:

Oh...

So THATS how its done.

Seems pretty simple to me. Hit gas....pass. Thanks Loren.

What's the issue?

for the record, i disagree with ramsey (like usual) about you guys racing in class 1 at the mil........but i do think it would be SPORTSMANLIKE to rear start......as it is not going to change your finish position at all ......

doug, keep pace? results have shown? please come to primm next week with a 4 wheel drive and show ME! or just come out and watch.......you havent a clue.......sorry i couldnt sugar coat that better..........you guys are all confused about me, i have NOTHING against your class, i think its GREAT......but to think you are competeing with the unlimited cars is silly......to donkey around and finish is great if thats your goal, but is that racing? thats like entering a class with no other competitors in it.......

Where can I place my bet that team pirate will make it farther than pistola?

Can't wait to see what happens with this. Really wish I was racing...

My life is all over the place right now but if I can jump in as a hand to help I will, just can't commit at this time.

i do think it would be SPORTSMANLIKE to rear start......

I think if it was my first B1K in this situation I would want a rear start but that is just me? I like to pass people though.

Where can I place my bet that team pirate will make it farther than pistola?

We sat at RM175 last year for hours waiting to watch Pete to go by, finally, 1702 showed up and we had to move on to the next pit.:flipoff2:

well hell, we were gonna make a film of this race...but this thread is already more dramatic than anything we could ever muster up out there

bravo

......but i do think it would be SPORTSMANLIKE to rear start......as it is not going to change your finish position at all ......

we have casually discussed it. but honestly have not had gotten to that point of strategy planning yet.

we will decide to do what we think will net us the best race result, and being stuck behind a bunch of desert donkeys struggling to get over the summit in 2wd doesn't play out to well for us. :laughing::laughing:

well hell, we were gonna make a film of this race...but this thread is already more dramatic than anything we could ever muster up out there

bravo

oh trust me... the good stuff is all down south. that is when we get to go put some action to the words. the smack talking is just to keep us occupied until november :smokin:

oh trust me... the good stuff is all down south. that is when we get to go put some action to the words. the smack talking is just to keep us occupied until november :smokin:

well then, on with the show! :smokin:

Where can I place my bet that team pirate will make it farther than pistola?

dont you get it???? racing is different then donkeying along trying to get 10th.......i could care less about finishing or beating a rock buggy.......

we have casually discussed it. but honestly have not had gotten to that point of strategy planning yet.

we will decide to do what we think will net us the best race result, and being stuck behind a bunch of desert donkeys struggling to get over the summit in 2wd doesn't play out to well for us. :laughing::laughing:

i agree to a point.....but the mil will MOST LIKELY not go over the summit or anywhere like that early in the race, as you know.......but yes there will be class 1 donkeys to deal with as well.......

not everybody forgot that :laughing:
it is no accident that we didn't pick the San Felipe 250 to race.

I have co-piloted all of the SCORE baja races over the last few years, and will be in class 10 at the 1k in Nov.

In my opinion, if you have a relative advantage through the technical sections, the 250 would be your most competitive race - once you get through the whoops. I hope you guys make it to the 250 next year also; my personal favorite, and I'd guess the most coveted Baja win next to the big 'un.

Best of luck, have fun.

Most of this discussion has centered around what a "normal" B1k is. What if it rains like a tropical bitch? Then 4WD is going to give an advantage in getting around the traffic stuck in the mud. Or if they haven't had any rain for 6 months, then the same holds true in the silt beds.

Run what you brung, and bring the best you can.

Good luck guys.

Edit; I remember when the Herbst boys brought out their 4WD to Laughlin for the first time, and they just stomped the piss out of the other TT's in a straight drag race or coming out of the corners. When you come off of the pavement in Ensenada onto the dirt in the wash everybody gets all kinds of squirly, and I can see a 4WD car just stomping the gas and hooking up. The fastest 1 cars are going to float the whoops, but that's not the whole race, that's for sure.

actually that is about the most intelligent post in this thread so far :smoking:

I will let Dave post up specific details but the gist of it is :

daves cars is a few inches shorter wheel base then a typical class 1 and
Several inches narrower then a class 1

only a few other class 1 cars have ever run 4wd

running the 4wd necessitates the biggest difference in the 2 cars and that is travel.

daves car has about 25% less travel in the front but 10% more in the rear then a class 1 putting it about where a class 12 is at.

Horsepower wise we should be an average setup with a built 6.0 lsx motor.

another huge difference and one that favors daves car in my opinion is that it doesn't have a weak rear transaxle. the weak link on most class 1 cars is the rear transaxle and CV joints. Daves is a solid axle like a TT is setup.

for a race like the baja 1000 the difference in front end travel is certainly an issue cause travel is always good.. but not a game ending deal. we all recall what the VW team managed with only about 10" of travel. :smoking:

the tighter and twister the course is with silt, sand washes and hill climbs favor Daves car. San Felipe whoops favor a class 1.

For the record Daves car is capable of 120mph not that it really matters as very little time is spend above 100mph. I have no idea what a typical class 1 car top speed is.

Camo...thanks for the 4454 101 for Dummies! Seriously!!!

This vehicle...whatever the hell it is...sure is getting alot of attention for such a prestige race. Great job Team 4454 and Team Pirate4x4!

Ok so maybe not the vs. pete part. :flipoff2:

As some of you may have heard, we are putting together a hair brained idea to race a rock crawler in the Baja 1000 in November from Ensenada to La Paz in the 4454 Koh car. Did i mention we are entering in class 1? :eek:

Save all the speculation on if we can beat the Jeepspeeds, if Pete will get beat by a rock crawler, etc etc for another thread.

This thread is for volunteers for our team. We need lots of you.

We need volunteers with trucks who want to participate in the adventure of a lifetime. Ask anyone who has been on a previous pirate baja 1000 adventure, and I promise you they all will tell you the same thing. There's nothing else like it. Previous baja experience a plus but definitely not necessary. Passports are required for travel in Mexico.

We will be covering our race effort live the entire time with the satellite truck and also plan to release a dvd of our adventure.

So who's in?

back to the purpose of this thread....
I realise i'm a pirate nobody, but I'm seriously interested in coming down for this from B.C. if I can find someone to split the cost of diesel with.... Can bring my long box 3/4 ton dodge diesel for hauling whatever :)

back to the purpose of this thread....
I realise i'm a pirate nobody, but I'm seriously interested in coming down for this from B.C. if I can find someone to split the cost of diesel with.... Can bring my long box 3/4 ton dodge diesel for hauling whatever :)


What it takes to chase? A level head, and the ability to go a long time without sleep. In your truck you'll likely have spare tires, an air compressor, air tools, hand tools, spare parts, fuel for your rig and fuel for the race car, water, food for you and the drivers, portable lighting and maybe a generator, an EZ-up, a good quality TUNED 2m radio, etc..

A long box diesel is a good rig for chase.

actually that is about the most intelligent post in this thread so far :smoking:

I will let Dave post up specific details but the gist of it is :

daves cars is a few inches shorter wheel base then a typical class 1 and
Several inches narrower then a class 1

only a few other class 1 cars have ever run 4wd

running the 4wd necessitates the biggest difference in the 2 cars and that is travel.

daves car has about 25% less travel in the front but 10% more in the rear then a class 1 putting it about where a class 12 is at.

Horsepower wise we should be an average setup with a built 6.0 lsx motor.

another huge difference and one that favors daves car in my opinion is that it doesn't have a weak rear transaxle. the weak link on most class 1 cars is the rear transaxle and CV joints. Daves is a solid axle like a TT is setup.

for a race like the baja 1000 the difference in front end travel is certainly an issue cause travel is always good.. but not a game ending deal. we all recall what the VW team managed with only about 10" of travel. :smoking:

the tighter and twister the course is with silt, sand washes and hill climbs favor Daves car. San Felipe whoops favor a class 1.

For the record Daves car is capable of 120mph not that it really matters as very little time is spend above 100mph. I have no idea what a typical class 1 car top speed is.

So anyone bitching about this car racing in class 1 in the 1000 is basically just displaying a little preemptive butthurt? :D

Good luck gentlemen. :smokin:

so ive been readin this thread and it seems like the desert racers r mad cause they think dave's car is gonna b slow n slow them down.

so r they wantin to take a fast car and start it in the front and run the whole race without any other cars in front of them??? cause that doesnt sound like racin to me......

i would rather start at the very back and pass every car in the race and finish 1st..... thats racing to me...

its not 1st if u dont pass 2nd

its not 1st if u dont pass 2nd

Turns out...it actually is.:laughing:

back to the purpose of this thread....
I realise i'm a pirate nobody, but I'm seriously interested in coming down for this from B.C. if I can find someone to split the cost of diesel with.... Can bring my long box 3/4 ton dodge diesel for hauling whatever :)

Your truck is a perfect chase truck. Anyone from Canukistan want to hook up with Nick?

anyone from central/eastern US want to ride along with me?

So anyone bitching about this car racing in class 1 in the 1000 is basically just displaying a little preemptive butthurt? :D

Good luck gentlemen. :smokin:

Mmmm I am guessing that the only people who are bitching 1. Don't actually have a dog in this fight or 2. Have a misinformed idea of the team, our experience or the actual car we intend to race.

But like I stated earlier, my number is posted. If they have a concern they can call me to discuss. We have nothing but respect for our fellow racers but we are also there to race.

Camo

I have co-piloted all of the SCORE baja races over the last few years, and will be in class 10 at the 1k in Nov.

In my opinion, if you have a relative advantage through the technical sections, the 250 would be your most competitive race - once you get through the whoops. I hope you guys make it to the 250 next year also; my personal favorite, and I'd guess the most coveted Baja win next to the big 'un.

Best of luck, have fun.

Sf is my personal fav as well. However probably not going to be this cars strong suit. Time will tell however. As far as the 1000 , Our advantage for sure is the team. I wouldn't trade our crew of dedicated guys for any other team out there. None ! It is a privilege and honor racing for and with these guys. Each and every one of them comes prepared to do what ever it takes to get the job done. There is just no quit in them and I would put them up against any team in desert racing.

back to the purpose of this thread....
I realise i'm a pirate nobody, but I'm seriously interested in coming down for this from B.C. if I can find someone to split the cost of diesel with.... Can bring my long box 3/4 ton dodge diesel for hauling whatever :)

From pirate zero to hero in 1000 miles ! Ok maybe 4000 in your case :smokin:

Besides, have you not heard....it is an "adventure" of a lifetime :laughing:

anyone from central/eastern US want to ride along with me?

Uh, sure. Very interested. If you're serious, post/PM me the details as I'd love to know more about what you've got in mind.

In my overview of the car I should have listed the weight difference.

As in all racing weight is always an issue.

Daves car weighs several hundred more ponds then a typical class 1 due to the 4wd components.

Nothing is wrong with sharing the debate.

However I asked you a very specific question and you did not answer it.

so let me ask it again.


you make the statement that



and my simple question was,
What aspect about team pirates race program do you feel is going to interfere with with other competitors race ?

Sorry, I've been busy all day and didn't notice the question amongst all the BS. I thought I had answered that question pretty clearly - THE CAR! I believe that it will be a hindrance to other competitors in the early stages of the race, and don't feel that is a good idea.

Read my first post where I recommend pulling over early and getting back in the race when you fit in. It is that simple, don't screw up others race. In 2007 when my torsion bars broke, I pulled over at RM 30 so that I didn't hold anyone up, and then jumped back in with the classes I could out run, even wounded until I could get it fixed.

The real solution is to have qualifying for all classes and starting as you qualify. I'm sure that car would qualify ahead of lots of cars, but not more than a few of the Class 1 cars on most courses. Comparing to Campbell's Class 1 car is off base, it is a Four-wheel Drive Class 1 car, not a Rock Racer.

Prove me wrong.... I've stated my thought clearly, I'm over it.
Really impress me (all of us desert racers) and finish in the top 20 - I'll eat my words.

I'm sure you will finish, you only have to average 25 Mph so that allows for a lot of down time. Baring a blown motor, it is hard not to finish a peninsula run. Keep an eye on your mirrors early and you will be fine.

Good luck at the race and be safe.

I've got to get up in two hours to drive to the Valley and go Dove hunting, so I am out of here.

Argue on!

Comparing to Campbell's Class 1 car is off base, it is a Four-wheel Drive Class 1 car, not a Rock Racer.



It would serve you well to do a little research before spouting off your arrogant and highly elitist views, you almost come off like an Obama supporter:shaking:

Campbells car and the car we're racing are almost IDENTICAL, got that, how many times do we have to tell you? You could say ours is a FWD Class 1 and his is a rock racer.

BTW, why do you keep dodging camos questions:confused::shaking:

BTW, why do you keep dodging camos questions:confused::shaking:

He clearly answered the question.
He said the part of the team he does not like is the car. He thinks the car does not belong in C1 and will hold up other competitors and that is the only part of the Pirate 4X4 team that he disagree's with. The Car. Not the team. He hates the car.
Rig? The rig is the part of the team he dislikes for Class 1.

It would serve you well to do a little research before spouting off your arrogant and highly elitist views, you almost come off like an Obama supporter:shaking:

Campbells car and the car we're racing are almost IDENTICAL, got that, how many times do we have to tell you? You could say ours is a FWD Class 1 and his is a rock racer.

BTW, why do you keep dodging camos questions:confused::shaking:

like usual.....you have NO idea what desert RACING cars can do.........ask lance.......when you can make the turn at the dump road in sf onto the power line at 80 then roll down on the throttle and bring it up over a hundred in those bumps........then we will have a race......

Campbells car and the car we're racing are almost IDENTICAL, got that, how many times do we have to tell you?
:

This keeps coming up.

What are Shannons numbers?
Travel, track width, wheel base, weight ect.

He clearly answered the question.
He said the part of the team he does not like is the car. He thinks the car does not belong in C1 and will hold up other competitors and that is the only part of the Pirate 4X4 team that he disagree's with. The Car. Not the team. He hates the car.
Rig? The rig is the part of the team he dislikes for Class 1.

So he hates this car but says Shannons is ok? They're the same car.

This keeps coming up.

What are Shannons numbers?
Travel, track width, wheel base, weight ect.

shannon finished 12th(?) overall at the v to r, dave 52nd and behind a STONE STOCK mini truck.....not a REAL comparison.....just because you DREAM your fast, dont make it so......

So he hates this car but says Shannons is ok? They're the same car.

bring it to primm......the leaders will LAP it.....i promise......

Sorry, I've been busy all day and didn't notice the question amongst all the BS. I thought I had answered that question pretty clearly - THE CAR! I believe that it will be a hindrance to other competitors in the early stages of the race, and don't feel that is a good idea.

Read my first post where I recommend pulling over early and getting back in the race when you fit in. It is that simple, don't screw up others race. In 2007 when my torsion bars broke, I pulled over at RM 30 so that I didn't hold anyone up, and then jumped back in with the classes I could out run, even wounded until I could get it fixed.

The real solution is to have qualifying for all classes and starting as you qualify. I'm sure that car would qualify ahead of lots of cars, but not more than a few of the Class 1 cars on most courses. Comparing to Campbell's Class 1 car is off base, it is a Four-wheel Drive Class 1 car, not a Rock Racer.

Prove me wrong.... I've stated my thought clearly, I'm over it.
Really impress me (all of us desert racers) and finish in the top 20 - I'll eat my words.

I'm sure you will finish, you only have to average 25 Mph so that allows for a lot of down time. Baring a blown motor, it is hard not to finish a peninsula run. Keep an eye on your mirrors early and you will be fine.

Good luck at the race and be safe.

I've got to get up in two hours to drive to the Valley and go Dove hunting, so I am out of here.

Argue on!

You have no clue what you are talking about at all!!! You have no idea what this CAR is or what is in it, or the team that will be driving it, so how can you say the CAR!! will hold everyone up??? If they are slower then they will be passed, so how would that hold anyone up???
Second it is more of a Desert Car than a Rock Racer.

You have no clue what you are talking about at all!!! You have no idea what this CAR is or what is in it, or the team that will be driving it, so how can you say the CAR!! will hold everyone up??? If they are slower then they will be passed, so how would that hold anyone up???
Second it is more of a Desert Car than a Rock Racer.

ramsey is a dumass most of the time , yes........but he does know desert racing.....in the 1000 and 500 courses, slower vehicles can hold up way faster ones for over the first hundred or so miles........if it was a course like laughlin, san felipe, or primm it would not be an issue at all........if you dont know what your talking about, maybe you should just read along and become educated........

and to say "we went at half speed at the v to r"........ron whitton did the same and finished in the top ten there.........hes 65.......

ramsey is a dumass most of the time , yes........but he does know desert racing.....in the 1000 and 500 courses, slower vehicles can hold up way faster ones for over the first hundred or so miles........if it was a course like laughlin, san felipe, or primm it would not be an issue at all........if you dont know what your talking about, maybe you should just read along and become educated........

I have read along!! He does not know what he is talking about, referring to the CAR, He has no idea what this car can do or what is in it.. So saying he will hold everyone up is BS.. so what you are saying is a so called "LEGIT" class 1 car comes up on a slower "LEGIT" class 1 car the slower driver is considered a poor sportsman?

bring it to primm......the leaders will LAP it.....i promise......


All parties are kind of busy that weekend Pete. Won't be because they are scared. We kinda need them in Reno so Don't put any crazy ideas in their heads.:D



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shannon finished 12th(?) overall at the v to r, dave 52nd and behind a STONE STOCK mini truck.....not a REAL comparison.....just because you DREAM your fast, dont make it so......

You keep bringing up the 7300 car and "REAL" comparisons. On OA time the 7300 car was 20 something minutes faster than Dave's car, where Dave's team said they had 1+ hours of down time not moving. Using the OA times from this race or any of the other races would be like comparing your last 2 Baja 1000 runs where stock vw's, trucks, and jeepspeeds kicked your ass.

Not a fair comparison, Just My .02.

:flipoff2:

i could care less about finishing.......

trust us, we know this already. :flipoff2:

trust us, we know this already. :flipoff2:

Thats gotta hurt.:laughing:

Sorry, I've been busy all day and didn't notice the question amongst all the BS. I thought I had answered that question pretty clearly - THE CAR! I believe that it will be a hindrance to other competitors in the early stages of the race, and don't feel that is a good idea.

Read my first post where I recommend pulling over early and getting back in the race when you fit in. It is that simple, don't screw up others race. In 2007 when my torsion bars broke, I pulled over at RM 30 so that I didn't hold anyone up, and then jumped back in with the classes I could out run, even wounded until I could get it fixed.

The real solution is to have qualifying for all classes and starting as you qualify. I'm sure that car would qualify ahead of lots of cars, but not more than a few of the Class 1 cars on most courses. Comparing to Campbell's Class 1 car is off base, it is a Four-wheel Drive Class 1 car, not a Rock Racer.

Prove me wrong.... I've stated my thought clearly, I'm over it.
Really impress me (all of us desert racers) and finish in the top 20 - I'll eat my words.

I'm sure you will finish, you only have to average 25 Mph so that allows for a lot of down time. Baring a blown motor, it is hard not to finish a peninsula run. Keep an eye on your mirrors early and you will be fine.

Good luck at the race and be safe.

I've got to get up in two hours to drive to the Valley and go Dove hunting, so I am out of here.

Argue on!
I don't think this is an issue, since the starting order is based on the results of the 500 (if I remember correctly) which this car didn't run. They will be starting at the back of the pack anyway. Pulling over and letting other classes pass is just ridiculous. Using your comparison of pulling over because you were BROKEN isn't the same thing at all.

trust us, we know this already. :flipoff2:
Meh, I kinda like Pete's "win, crash or break" attitude. I just wish it was the first option more often and less of the last. ;)

You keep bringing up the 7300 car and "REAL" comparisons. On OA time the 7300 car was 20 something minutes faster than Dave's car, where Dave's team said they had 1+ hours of down time not moving. Using the OA times from this race or any of the other races would be like comparing your last 2 Baja 1000 runs where stock vw's, trucks, and jeepspeeds kicked your ass.

Not a fair comparison, Just My .02.

:flipoff2:

and i can explain it again for you........RACING and DONKEYING along are two totally different things.........an hour of downtime is a legit reason for a STONE STOCK 7300 ranger to beat you? hahahahahahha....now thats funny.....

I don't think this is an issue, since the starting order is based on the results of the 500 (if I remember correctly) which this car didn't run. They will be starting at the back of the pack anyway. Pulling over and letting other classes pass is just ridiculous. Using your comparison of pulling over because you were BROKEN isn't the same thing at all.

a voice of reason? you get that shit the hell out of this thread........

You keep bringing up the 7300 car and "REAL" comparisons. On OA time the 7300 car was 20 something minutes faster than Dave's car, where Dave's team said they had 1+ hours of down time not moving. Using the OA times from this race or any of the other races would be like comparing your last 2 Baja 1000 runs where stock vw's, trucks, and jeepspeeds kicked your ass.

Not a fair comparison, Just My .02.

:flipoff2:

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

a voice of reason? you get that shit the hell out of this thread........

and that got my laughs goin' this morning.


Such a disappointment in the open mindedness of what looks to be only one desert racer. :shaking:

THE CAR!



Prove me wrong....

on!

Ok got it. I will mark you down in the skeptic column. :laughing:

Prove you wrong, are you sure ? Seems to me that everybody could save themselves a whole lot of hassle by not racing and just take a finish based off your opinion and how you say they would finish if we bothered to actually race. :laughing:

Ok got it. I will mark you down in the skeptic column. :laughing:

Prove you wrong, are you sure ? Seems to me that everybody could save themselves a whole lot of hassle by not racing and just take a finish based off your opinion and how you say they would finish if we bothered to actually race. :laughing:

TORR tonight in texas.........you asked for a debate.......call in..............yes, you have been called out........and yes, the only man that you would sleep with is calling in as well............you know its true......

Uh, sure. Very interested. If you're serious, post/PM me the details as I'd love to know more about what you've got in mind.

Once they get the dates settled on, I plan on either:

Drive my 2wd crew cab short bed F250 from OKC to Cali to meet up with the team.
Drive from OKC to Salt Lake to swap my truck with a friend that has an extended cab, long bed 4wd F250.


I haven't decided which yet.

........and yes, the only man that you would sleep with is calling in as well............you know its true......

:lmao:

anyone from central/eastern US want to ride along with me?

pm;d you

;)

and yes, the only man that you would sleep with is calling in as well..



Pete, you calling yourself a man is just like me saying I have a Class1 car.

With hair like that, you're a hybrid at best:flipoff2:

TORR tonight in texas.........you asked for a debate.......call in..............yes, you have been called out........and yes, the only man that you would sleep with is calling in as well............you know its true......

I have called in before.... I think Jim has banned me cause I get but on endless hold. :(.

As far as being called out. Bring it. We have a legit program and are coming to baja to race. Running our mouth making performance claims or result predictions is disrespectful and simply retarded.

The bet that Dave tried to make with you was meant as a friendly rivalry. Sorry you took it as anything but that. :smokin:

back on track.

for those of you who have done this sort of thing before.

what would one typically budget for such an adventure?

is this "pitcrew" journey gonna set me back $1k or $10k? rough guestimates from the experienced?

I really wish I could go but I can't commit to it yet. I can however volunteer my truck for apeters89 and who ever else is going with him.

Pete,

I will give you the same answer I would give on TORR from your question on Rdz.

We do not expect to be treated any different.

If you catch us then we will let you by, if we require a nerf then so be it.
If you feel the need to "smash" us because we are outsiders that you think need to be taught a lesson. then expect a confrentation.

back on track.

for those of you who have done this sort of thing before.

what would one typically budget for such an adventure?

is this "pitcrew" journey gonna set me back $1k or $10k? rough guestimates from the experienced?

As a rule of thumb, cross the border with a grand in your pocket.

That doesn't count fuel to the tip and back.

We do not expect to be treated any different.



I would hope not.

On a side note, when you catch pete, cause he is broken on the side of the road, is it unsportsman like to stop, pull up next to his rig, and bump it.... just for good measure??:laughing:

back on track.

any room for someone to fly in to SD from atlanta and hop in a chase with someone?

if you need a set of hands and someone who can turn wrenches and do electrical please PM me and I'll see if I can work it out.

back on track.

for those of you who have done this sort of thing before.

what would one typically budget for such an adventure?

is this "pitcrew" journey gonna set me back $1k or $10k? rough guestimates from the experienced?

I had the opportunity to go down to baja with team Pirate last year, and can tell you I had a better time than I'll ever have again! 1k in pocket is definitely a good idea. This trip is going to La Paz, so that's quite a bit farther than we did, but 1k would be good. Here's my pointers: bring cash, get mexican car insurance before you leave, change you phone plan, be flexible, soak it all in, don't go to Paris, eat the tacos (I know there's a pun there, but I'll leave it) don't drink the water, learn to sleep when you can, and above all.... Have a passport with a recent picture so you don't end up with a screen name like me!

and above all.... Have a passport with a recent picture so you don't end up with a screen name like me!

:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

I would hope not.

On a side note, when you catch pete, cause he is broken on the side of the road, is it unsportsman like to stop, pull up next to his rig, and bump it.... just for good measure??:laughing:

So this would be unsportsmanlike?

So this would be unsportsmanlike?

See.... looks like a legal move to me:D

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Nice plug Jeff. :laughing:

Pete, I want to co-dawg with you at SF. Don't give my seat to someone else. That is my favorite race (in a TT, not a Jeepspeed :laughing: )

Nice plug Jeff. :laughing:

Pete, I want to co-dawg with you at SF. Don't give my seat to someone else. That is my favorite race (in a TT, not a Jeepspeed :laughing: )
Did Linda sign you up for life insurance yet? :flipoff2:

back on track.

any room for someone to fly in to SD from atlanta and hop in a chase with someone?

if you need a set of hands and someone who can turn wrenches and do electrical please PM me and I'll see if I can work it out.

yes I am thinking we can make that work. :smokin:

paging dr lance, dr lance

please report to email

So this would be unsportsmanlike?

Is Petes truck parked in a handicap parking spot?

Is Petes truck parked in a handicap parking spot?


Seems fitting :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Seems fitting :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Not his fault, he didn't see the sign.:flipoff2:

Once they get the dates settled on, I plan on either:

Drive my 2wd crew cab short bed F250 from OKC to Cali to meet up with the team.
Drive from OKC to Salt Lake to swap my truck with a friend that has an extended cab, long bed 4wd F250.


I haven't decided which yet.



:lmao:

3 or 4 trucks leaving from SLC on Friday the 12th. Ensenada on the 13th.

As far as what's needed for a chase truck: Lowrance gps is all but mandatory if you are going to do anything other than one pit. Same for race radio (I have Pirate frequency list if needed). Cell phone with Mexico access (texting often works when nothing else will). Sat phone this year. Minimum two spares for your rig.

Air compressor really not needed if you have nitrogen bottle and cordless tools. Generator and welder if you have room. Plus all the other stuff previously listed.

Costs? Figure 2500 miles AFTER you cross the border at less than average highway mpg X $3 gallon. Plus, as previously stated, at least a grand in your pocket.

I've been in La Paz twice this summer and was told by authorities they will be checking for tourist visas and vehicle permits -buy at the border.

Dave,

you bringing the Flat Bill pit crew? Those guys knew how to make it happen.

vehicle permits -buy at the border.

Shawn, I know what a tourist visa is (you can get them in Ensenada) but what is a vehicle permit?

Dave,

you bringing the Flat Bill pit crew? Those guys knew how to make it happen.

Flat bill ,check ,black socks ,check , we will be there :D

3 or 4 trucks leaving from SLC on Friday the 12th. Ensenada on the 13th.

As far as what's needed for a chase truck: Lowrance gps is all but mandatory if you are going to do anything other than one pit. Same for race radio (I have Pirate frequency list if needed). Cell phone with Mexico access (texting often works when nothing else will). Sat phone this year. Minimum two spares for your rig.

Is there any reason to buy the Lowrance HDS-5 Baja over the standard HDS-5? Do I need one with a transducer? (WTF are the transducers used for?)

I've got a hacked HAM radio that should work fine for a race radio.

I've got the information about the Mexico auto insurance. http://www.bajabound.com/

I'll call my cell company and see what they have to offer...

Is there any reason to buy the Lowrance HDS-5 Baja over the standard HDS-5? Do I need one with a transducer? (WTF are the transducers used for?)

I've got a hacked HAM radio that should work fine for a race radio.

I've got the information about the Mexico auto insurance. http://www.bajabound.com/

I'll call my cell company and see what they have to offer...

Borrow a GPS from any racer on this board that isn't going to Mexico. No reason to buy a $1000 unit to chase one race. That is unless you want to sell it to me for $500 when you get back :flipoff2:

CONFIRMED.............................camo on torr show tonight.......to tell the offroad howawesome his new team is....

With top notch Trophy Truck drivers like these first two being in front of the whole field, I would say the whole rock donkey argument seems pretty menial...:)
Eric

YouTube - Baja 500 2010 TROPHY TRUCK CRASH Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NadAokx1do)

Borrow a GPS from any racer on this board that isn't going to Mexico. No reason to buy a $1000 unit to chase one race. That is unless you want to sell it to me for $500 when you get back :flipoff2:

Right now the HDS -5 is $599.95 with a $50 rebate. So I will sell you one for $550 new or you can buy his used one for $500. Sounds like deal he should have jumped on

Vehicle permits are required for any vehicle traveling beyond the border (frontier) area. Rarely enforced in Northern Baja but I have been checked in Baja Sur. Costs about $35 BUT are now only available in TJ and Mexicali, no longer in Tecate, Ensenada or SF.

You can get your tourist visa and vehicle permit from adjacent offices at the border. Process is the same, you fill out the app., walk to the bank, pay the money and take the receipt back. Then they issue the permit.

Some web sites say you have to leave a cc or other deposit. I've never had to do that.

Intent is to prevent people leaving vehicles in Mexico without paying importation fees.

ABSOLUTELY must remember to turn the permit back in when you leave the country, otherwise you might be screwed next time (happened to a friend of mine).

Could probably get away without one but if I'm chasing I don't want to get hung up for any reason.

(WTF are the transducers used for?)
r...

Finding fish :laughing:

[QUOTE=apeters89;11837362]Is there any reason to buy the Lowrance HDS-5 Baja over the standard HDS-5? Do I need one with a transducer? (WTF are the transducers used for?)



Transducers are for fish. You can smell them at Paris without one.

From all reports you will need the external antenna for the HDS series. so add $200 + to the price.

Borrowing one is a great idea.

Right now the HDS -5 is $599.95 with a $50 rebate. So I will sell you one for $550 new or you can buy his used one for $500. Sounds like deal he should have jumped on
Damnit! You ruined my plan :flipoff2:

Finding fish :laughing:

Perfect, non-transducer it is. For $500 I think I'll go ahead and get one. Who knows what I may want to do in the future :D

Transducers are for fish. You can smell them at Paris without one.

From all reports you will need the external antenna for the HDS series. so add $200 + to the price.

Borrowing one is a great idea.

FAWK!

is there a better suited, older model I could look for on ebay, craigslist, etc? that wouldn't require a $200 antenna?

Seen a few 540 or 740 Bajas on RDZ or ebay but everyone is always looking for them. Last spring PCI got a shipment of new 5200's in (they do some modifications to them) but they were gone in two days.

FAWK!

is there a better suited, older model I could look for on ebay, craigslist, etc? that wouldn't require a $200 antenna?

i chased for these guys with a lowrance iWay 500C last year with no problems. it has a few work arounds you have to do to make it work like it needs to, but for $150 on craigslist, i cant complain. i plan on using it again.

John,

How about a Sikorsky chase chopper this year?

FAWK!

is there a better suited, older model I could look for on ebay, craigslist, etc? that wouldn't require a $200 antenna?

You can run the Elite 5M that comes with the external antenna for 579.00