I'll pay $20 for a pic of a low pinion 1/2 ton Ford Dana 44. [Archive]

Mr.N

10-30-2002, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by emsoffroad
Damn, I was hoping you were going to forget to say front.

What about a 76 F-150 extended cab? Just going out on a limb here, since they used F-250 leaf fronts with the 5 lug outers. And since the F-250 didn't get HP44 till 77. Here is some info I've posted about the rear Originally posted by Mr.N
Here is some info for you

Rear Dana 44 axle
BOM is to the right of the pumpkin, just to the right of the date code.

Year, BOM Axle shaft and length.

Dodge None for at least 68-78

Ford
1967 602909 24820x 29 3/4”
1968 602964 25983-2z 29 25/32”
1977 603830 706587-1x 706587-2x 31 7/64” 32 39/64”
1977.5-78 603869 706647-1x 706647-2x 31 7/64” 32 39/64”
78.5 603903 706587-1x 706587-2x 31 7/64” 32 39/64”
79 603973 71025-1x 71025-2x 31 35/64” 33 3/64”
All 1 5/16” at 30 splines in F100 and F150’s

Chevy
1967-68 602925 C10, I1000 ( ½ Ton pick up or station wagon) Not available
1968 603039 C15 ( ½ Ton pick up or station wagon) Not available
1968 602988 K15 ( ½ Ton pick up or station wagon) Not available

IHC

Lots of Dana 44 rear axles! (too many to list)

Jeep

Lots of Dana 44 rear axles! (too many to list) .

Mr.N

10-30-2002, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by P|n-BaLL

wish I had payed better attenton to it...I just remember thinking I would score the 3.73 front diff (which I have never seen before or sense in a Ford ) tell I realized it wasn't RR. And as a note I never did pull cover to verify the 3.73......just what the tag said.
Originally posted by emsoffroad
Here's one for ya, I got a set of 3.73 from a HP44 already. I read the numbers on the ring gear about 20 times, then did the math over and over. Sure enough 3.73 gears.
Really? As far as I know 3.73 gears never came in a front Revers Spiral axle. I'd like to see more info on this.

TuffTruck

10-30-2002, 10:52 PM

First of all no coil spurng 68-79 F100 F150 was a LP Next MR. N I have a f250 front end HP that has 3.73 gears in it just its a weak comb I broke half the teeth off the ring gear how about that would you like a photo:flipoff2:

emsoffroad

10-31-2002, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by Mr.N

Really? As far as I know 3.73 gears never came in a front Revers Spiral axle. I'd like to see more info on this.

That's what about 4 of us said. The bummer was no one remembers what it came out of. Yes it was Ford, being coil sprung HP and all. When I get home I will try and dig the rear out and get a pic for ya.

I don't get home till the end of Nov. So things will have to wait.

P|n-BaLL

10-31-2002, 01:25 PM

OK Mr N others... lets think this through a little.

Ford Sold the 1/2 Ton F-series from 67-79 in the coil spring design.
The first year of the high pinion Ford diffs I believe *not positive* was 1973... now that I think about it there had to be a standard rotation open knuckle coil spring axle. The last closed knuckle 1/2 ton axle I saw in a Ford was 1966. Let me ramble a bit here and hopefully explain a little... Chevy also debuted a new model in 1967..... the 1968 Chevy C-10 was a open knuckle Dana 44 *I owned one* not a big stretch of the imagination that Ford also used the open knuckle design.....that said, I will say that 1967-1972/3 Ford sold a standard rotation coil spring Dana 44 front.

They had to of, as Ford used the Dana 20 and 21 and the model 24 transfercases in these trucks... I will get ya that picture Mr N....cuz the ONLY leaf spring Ford 1/2 ton I have ever seen was that rather rare supercab model.......*of which a neighbour owns*....make sense? Although here in Wisconsin scoring a BOM # of an axle of that age seems about impossible.

NoRM

Alpo

10-31-2002, 06:27 PM

PIn-ball: do a search, this topic has been beat to death before.

Ford first had a coil sprung 1/2 ton in 1966. Same year the coil sprung Bronco debuted. HP d-44 open knuckle also debuted in 1966. This is 1/2 ton ONLY. EB only got the low-pinion D-30 and D-44 later on. The 3/4 ton did not get HP D-44 untill 1977 1/2 when the frames and springs were redone mid-year to make the trucks lower for better entry and exit for the masses.
As for what the use of a Dana 21 or 24 has to do with using a low pinion ?????? Dana 20 was only in the Bronco. 1/2 tons used the model 21 starting in 1966 untill 1973 when it finally came with an automatic and then you could get the NP-205. NP-435 in '73 still got you a married Dana-21. As for when the D-21 went away for good....dunno, '75 give or take a year.

F-150 SuperCab is 1977-1978. BOM will be 610012-1/-2 3.50:1 gears only and it is HP(Hi-Pinion). Same axle shafts as the F-250 Dana-44 so it is a little wider than the coil sprung HP D-44 of the same year. It will be leaf sprung.

Eric

Alpo

10-31-2002, 06:33 PM

Mr N. 3.73:1 gears came in at least 1967 through 1975. Gear set # is 706017-14X. :flipoff2:

Not listed with a Trac-Loc, only open diffs.

:D

Eric

Mr.N

10-31-2002, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by Alpo23
F-150 SuperCab is 1977-1978. BOM will be 610012-1/-2 3.50:1 gears only and it is HP(Hi-Pinion). Same axle shafts as the F-250 Dana-44 so it is a little wider than the coil sprung HP D-44 of the same year. It will be leaf sprung.

correction: it's not wider
the SuperCab same with the axle shafts 660003-3 & 4. This axle shaft only came in a f250 77.5 - 79. However it did come in several F100 & 150's: full & part time 73,74,75,76,77,78,79. With running the 5 on 5.5" hubs it's the same width as the 1/2 tons stated above. So, it's not wider.
also the suber cab had BOM 610048 -1-2-3-4 running shaft 660124 and BOM 610068 -1-2-3-4-5 with shaft 660003-3 & 4

Anyways the point of this post is SO many people are posting bogus info about the start of the Dana 44 HP (Reverse spiral) it's become fact. Heck check out the POR bible, is dead wrong.

Mr.N

10-31-2002, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Alpo23
Mr N. 3.73:1 gears came in at least 1967 through 1975. Gear set # is 706017-14X. :flipoff2:
Yep, found it in the book. However it's missing from the fact sheet I got from Dana on all the gear set they made for the Reverse Sprial. (it's linked somewhere on a Dana 44 page)

Brad

11-01-2002, 12:57 AM

dude we put one in the massey jeep. came out of a 77 . i gaurantee it is one, i can get you the bom# too but i dont know when ill see the jeep next.

edit: DOH, just re read it. this was a 3/4 ton 8 lug one

P|n-BaLL

11-01-2002, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Alpo23
PIn-ball: do a search, this topic has been beat to death before.

Ford first had a coil sprung 1/2 ton in 1966. Same year the coil sprung Bronco debuted. HP d-44 open knuckle also debuted in 1966. This is 1/2 ton ONLY. EB only got the low-pinion D-30 and D-44 later on. The 3/4 ton did not get HP D-44 untill 1977 1/2 when the frames and springs were redone mid-year to make the trucks lower for better entry and exit for the masses.
As for what the use of a Dana 21 or 24 has to do with using a low pinion ?????? Dana 20 was only in the Bronco. 1/2 tons used the model 21 starting in 1966 untill 1973 when it finally came with an automatic and then you could get the NP-205. NP-435 in '73 still got you a married Dana-21. As for when the D-21 went away for good....dunno, '75 give or take a year.

F-150 SuperCab is 1977-1978. BOM will be 610012-1/-2 3.50:1 gears only and it is HP(Hi-Pinion). Same axle shafts as the F-250 Dana-44 so it is a little wider than the coil sprung HP D-44 of the same year. It will be leaf sprung.

Eric

First Eric I wasn't professing to "know" facts I was just commenting on a few things for disussion...second searches as useful as they may be have turned up nothing but the same old grind...yet I have been parting out 4x4's for 20+ years and I have LONG since seen plenty of evidence to disprove book facts. So that said..... yes the Dana 20 was used in trucks...I have pulled two in my lifetime. They were both 3spd trucks in fact. As to what years they were I do not remember but I believe one was in a 73.

A perfect example of this "book fact" Is MrN's claim the leaf sprung Dana 44 in supercabs was not the same width as the 3/4 ton housing...of course I can disprove that theory in at least one example due to a fella here in town owns one...and he ruined a long side inner shaft torching the u-joint out....he asked me for a halfton inner axle so I gave him one......he came back 15 min latter and said it was the wrong one...his old one matched a 1978 3/4 ton long side perfectly. Sorta blows Mr N's book documented data. (note it also is a 4.10 truck)

Or Ford never built a 78 F-350 4x4..... I agree documentation proves this... that said I know of one with a title bearing "1978" and a vin that clearly shows it to be a 78....yet it has a 1979 Data tag....... yes it was a late 78 truck but regardless it was sold as a 1978.

1980 Scouts all had Dana 300 transfercases....... totall BS..in fact of 10+ I have parted out only one did and it wasn't even a diseal.

I have in my possesssion 272 titles from 4x4's I have parted out..who knows how many I didn't have titles for....I wish I would have documented with pictures and such many odd things I have seen in these trucks but it never occured to me it could be of use some day. You ever see a 1972 Chevy 1 ton with a Dana 70 Front/Eaton rear/5.13 gears/4Spd/4bbl350/???? it was NEVER built..yet I not only have seen one but the original purchaser of it was a local Chev Dealer that used it for a tow truck.... even had a sticker on glove box that stated it had a maxium road speed of 60 mph. It is now in the possesion of a collector that claims it was never built tell I showed him the GM stickers, the original invoice ect...

Point is, Books don't mean much in the world of 4x4's at least around here....Dana Spicer books as useful as they are have frequant and assorted errors in them and I am not the only peep that has found this out. And in context to the subject at hand...my local parts man a retired 30yr Ford light truck Mechanic says YES Ford Did build some standard Rotation Coil spring F- series front axles..he believes if memory served him correctly they were all L/S front axles. Popular in these parts due to the snow and farmers plowing with these rigs. Due to his age I take this with a grain of salt...but I will keep my eyes open in the local yards just in case as now my curiosity dictates it.

NoRM

CrazyHorse

11-01-2002, 03:39 PM

the factory service manual for 1971 shows the f-100's, f-250's, and bronco's with three different low pinion diffs, the f-100 is open knuckle king pin, the f-250 is closed knuckle, and the bronco is open knuckle ball joint, but all 3 pictures clearly show a low pinion differential...

Mr.N

11-01-2002, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by CrazyHorse
the factory service manual for 1971 shows the f-100's, f-250's, and bronco's with three different low pinion diffs, the f-100 is open knuckle king pin, the f-250 is closed knuckle, and the bronco is open knuckle ball joint, but all 3 pictures clearly show a low pinion differential... my Hanes and Chilton manual's show almost all Ford axles a low pinion. OH NO!

Mr.N

11-01-2002, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by P|n-BaLL
First Eric I wasn't professing to "know" facts I was just commenting on a few things for disussion...second searches as useful as they may be have turned up nothing but the same old grind...yet I have been parting out 4x4's for 20+ years and I have LONG since seen plenty of evidence to disprove book facts. Norm, always great to hear from some in the junk yard field! Too bad you didn't snap some shot.

Originally posted by P|n-BaLL
A perfect example of this "book fact" Is MrN's claim the leaf sprung Dana 44 in supercabs was not the same width as the 3/4 ton housing...of course I can disprove that theory in at least one example due to a fella here in town owns one...and he ruined a long side inner shaft torching the u-joint out....he asked me for a halfton inner axle so I gave him one......he came back 15 min latter and said it was the wrong one...his old one matched a 1978 3/4 ton long side perfectly. Sorta blows Mr N's book documented data. (note it also is a 4.10 truck)
Norm, I'm disapointed in you. Please re-read my post. I stated the Ford SuperCab came with same axle shaft as the F250. I don't want to post all the different shaft lenghts but let me asure you several F150 have the same length. I use to think what you did. Also, Spicer never made 4.10 gears for the Reverse Spiral, it was 4.09 (minior point)

Originally posted by P|n-BaLL
Or Ford never built a 78 F-350 4x4..... I agree documentation proves this... that said I know of one with a title bearing "1978" and a vin that clearly shows it to be a 78....yet it has a 1979 Data tag....... yes it was a late 78 truck but regardless it was sold as a 1978.

1980 Scouts all had Dana 300 transfercases....... totall BS..in fact of 10+ I have parted out only one did and it wasn't even a diseal. This is answered by talking to anyone who worked at a Ford plant. They did alot of funny stuff :)

Originally posted by P|n-BaLL
And in context to the subject at hand...my local parts man a retired 30yr Ford light truck Mechanic says YES Ford Did build some standard Rotation Coil spring F- series front axles..he believes if memory served him correctly they were all L/S front axles. Popular in these parts due to the snow and farmers plowing with these rigs. Due to his age I take this with a grain of salt...but I will keep my eyes open in the local yards just in case as now my curiosity dictates it.

NoRM In that case it;s an easy $20 for ya.
I've tried to gain a good knowledge over the past 5 years of the Dana 44 axle. I've a small selection of axles shaft, just becasue I want to have it on hand.

i'd like to talk about the 5-86x U-joint with you, but on another post.

hy_desert_4wheeler

11-01-2002, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Mr.N
Here are the rules:

However I'll never have to pay this out.

If you are so confident in this statement why do you need this statement>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Originally posted by Mr.N
Standing bet until it's paid out once.

Mr.N

11-01-2002, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by hy_desert_4wheeler

If you are so confident in this statement why do you need this statement>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Because I've talked to guys who've worked at a Ford plant. After all Minnesota is a Ford state, also Dana / Spicer!

Ok, I'll open it up to paid out twice :flipoff2: (Must be a different BOM)
And extend the year to 66-79.
Still haven't lost :p

Nobody

11-01-2002, 07:18 PM

Mr. N, I commend you for trying to set the record straight, however I think you are most likely wrong.......... I worked at junk yard for a spell, and we had these bitchen interchange manuals.........I quickly realized that I couldn't rely on those very expensive books! They were very wrong on many occassions.

When you part out a lot of the same types of cars, you find many odd things!

I can't say if they do or don't exist, but I have seen old fords on many occassions with a passenger side diff. I expect they were D44's, but I can't say for sure, I also think they are low pinion, and I don't recall looking at the knuckles......I'll definately pay closer attention next time. I see one truck around town a few times a year.

Mr.N

11-01-2002, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Nobody
Mr. N, I commend you for trying to set the record straight, however I think you are most likely wrong.......... I worked at junk yard for a spell, and we had these bitchen interchange manuals.........I quickly realized that I couldn't rely on those very expensive books! They were very wrong on many occassions.

When you part out a lot of the same types of cars, you find many odd things!

I can't say if they do or don't exist, but I have seen old fords on many occassions with a passenger side diff. I expect they were D44's, but I can't say for sure, I also think they are low pinion, and I don't recall looking at the knuckles......I'll definately pay closer attention next time. I see one truck around town a few times a year. I'd love to here more about this!

Book your refering to is the Hollander Interchange Manual, it's made by a company in Minnatonka, MN. 15 miles from my house. Do you think I would of posted with out looking at this?

Nobody

11-01-2002, 09:36 PM

yeah.....hollander is the one.

I assume you have reference material that you are working from, whether direct from Dana/Spicer or elsewhere. It's just my experience that no book is ever 100% correct. I can say the hollander interchange manuals are wrong about a lot of stuff.

In fact it's not so much that the books are wrong, but more likely bastard child vehicles coming from the factory.

TuffTruck

11-02-2002, 12:35 AM

Ok this is getting long and has be debated over the past 30 yrs. Almost all 66 79 F150 standerd cab came with HP 44s excpect the poor rednecks that swap shit out from the chevy in the barn then you see it in a wreckin yard and boom coil sprung LP passenger mount diff. THAT ALL give it up I found a bottle of Jack in a panel on my 69 wondered what the noise was well thats it. Not all 69s
came with bottles of jack :p get my drift. Theres noway to be sure whats stock any more its been 20-30 yrs thats a long time.:D
Lets all be happy that we have HP 44 if it was not for Ford and later in years Jeep D30 HP. We wouldn't get HP for cheap we would have to buy them dinatrac and we all would be screwed. But yet lets not forgget there is becoming a shortedage of coil sprung and leaf sprung HP D44. :( So lets be happy we have HP 44 60 30 what ever you got is good and can be made strong dont throw it away give to me ill take all the HP44 you got.:D :D

P|n-BaLL

11-02-2002, 05:55 AM

MrN........... I did read your post wrong and I retract what I said....my apologies ;-) ohhh.........and yeah 4.09's ;P And MrN whats the debate on u-joints?........post a thread...I will read it.

TuffTruck... Yes it has been debated....and looks to me like it still is. The fact that we have a thread here two pages long is at the very least keeping people looking here in the Ford forum *which we all know is quite slow* So I see no harm in debating it...as for the HP Dana 44 becomming rare...maybe out west...but anytime you would like a semi trailer load of them for $200 a pop let me know. One yard here will provide that with ease. This is Ford country and they are everywhere.

As for the Hollander interchange books.....a fine publication and I own a few...and yes there are many errors. Overall they do an excellant job but they do ocassionally mess up. I have to smile at times about books/computers and reality....

I am going junkyarding this afternoon...I will bring my digital just in case I see something worth mention.

NoRM

Nobody

11-02-2002, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by P|n-BaLL
I am going junkyarding this afternoon...
NoRM

I went to the junkyards today. I found what I believe was a 1964 ford PU. Dana 60 rear, and leaf springs up front.......Somebody already got the front axle :( I however got the 4.88 gears along with the coarse spline pinion yoke I have been searching for........all for a grand total of $28 :D Damn pick-n-pulls are great.

I also found a complete HP 44 in a 78-79 bronco......going price $56. Unfortunately I didn't have the extra cash.

After reading Mr N's original post, guess the missing front end wouldn't have qualified since it was a 64......ohh well. I have a hunch it was one of those with a passenger drop too. Tranny and transfer were gone, so I could tell.

Good day at the pick-n-pull, and now I have what I need to get my 60 together!

infoford

11-03-2002, 02:20 PM

Well I been following this post and now I have a few Things to say First MrN. you going to lose your $20 bucks however not to me because I don't have the time to go tromping around junk yards looking for early fords with a low pinion housing for a mere 20 dollars however they do exist primarly in the 66s but as we all know ford is famous for borrowing parts left over on the shelf so to speak so they can and did find their way into later years :)

Norm is correct on his post except when he misreads others posts :D

Nobody just because you seen it in a junk yard doesn't mean it came from the factory I use to work in a 4X4 wrecking yard seen some real interesting things there however no factory ford 4X4 1959 to current ever came with a passenger side diff on the front
yes ford is famous for parts borrowing but no where in fords line up do they offer pass side diffs and to retool for a few rigs woud cost to much however I put a IH d44 front passenger side diff into a 1964 it bolted right in on the 2wd leaf springs and looked factory but it was done by a redneck in a garage (me) the only thing ford had to do with it was the truck itself pre 1959 ford never made a 4X4 truck these truck were converted after production by independent shops so these trucks could have diff on either side depending on which shop assembled the truck

Sorry for the long Post

Mr.N

11-03-2002, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by infoford
Well I been following this post and now I have a few Things to say First MrN. you going to lose your $20 bucks
Haven't yet, don't think i will.

If nothing else I hope this post debunks the myth of when the HP (Reverse Spiral) started.

Originally posted by infoford
however they do exist primarly in the 66s but as we all know ford is famous for borrowing parts left over on the shelf so to speak so they can and did find their way into later years :) Yes, Ford was very good for using left over parts. however because of the change from leafs to coils I don't think I will have to worry.

Mr.N

11-03-2002, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Nobody

I went to the junkyards today. I found what I believe was a 1964 ford PU. Dana 60 rear, and leaf springs up front.......Somebody already got the front axle :(

After reading Mr N's original post, guess the missing front end wouldn't have qualified since it was a 64......ohh well. You are correct, it wouldn't of counted :(
here is what it would of looked like, this is from a
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/Dana44templocation/images/Dana44/ford63dana44lowpinionii.jpg
Edit -> Opps, it a 63 Ford f100

infoford

11-04-2002, 12:11 AM

MrN. I see your still stuck on this reverse spiral thing :D even though your the only one that thinks it is called reverse spiral
you have the heart of a soldier I comend you for it have a good one:)

John Deere Ranger

11-04-2002, 07:39 AM

well this is getting interesting...

Mr.N

11-04-2002, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by infoford
MrN. I see your still stuck on this reverse spiral thing :D even though your the only one that thinks it is called reverse spiral
you have the heart of a soldier I comend you for it have a good one:) Yeah, I might be off in my own world, but it's my world :)

Mr.N

12-03-2002, 08:42 PM

Well still looks like no one is going to take my money :flipoff2:

For those playing along go to my web site and click on the Dana link for some info on this axle. Still adding info and feel free to point out anything wrong.

Mr.N

03-24-2003, 08:26 PM

yotayard

03-25-2003, 12:10 PM

Ive got a '69 f-100 and i will make you a deal you only pay me ten bucks and ill let you see my hp 44 PLUS my 9":flipoff2:

JJSBADYJ

03-28-2003, 07:25 AM

So it looks like you still have your $20. This thread went from a $20 bet to an Ive seen this- Ive seen that, Ive got this, Ive got that slugfest. Nobody showed any pics of anything and the man was willing to pay you for them? Doesnt anybody pay attention to the question?

Mr.N

06-30-2004, 07:56 PM

:laughing:
still have my $20

Davethorik

06-30-2004, 09:12 PM

Seems like you Ford guys sure don't know your Chevy stuff. :flipoff2:

Chevy also debuted a new model in 1967..... the 1968 Chevy C-10 was a open knuckle Dana 44 *I owned one*

You ever see a 1972 Chevy 1 ton with a Dana 70 Front/Eaton rear/5.13 gears/4Spd/4bbl350/???? it was NEVER built..yet I not only have seen one but the original purchaser of it was a local Chev Dealer that used it for a tow truck.... even had a sticker on glove box that stated it had a maxium road speed of 60 mph. It is now in the possesion of a collector that claims it was never built tell I showed him the GM stickers, the original invoice ect...

I will agree that factories did funky stuff, and nothing is ever exact...but both of these statements sound like axle swaps to me. Either that or blatant bs.
GM (Chev/GMC) did not offer an open knuckle axle until '70, and it still had drum brakes. In '71, they intro'd disc brakes. All axles mentioned are dana 44s. 60-69 models were closed knuckle drum braked.

Also, regarding the '72, GM never made a truck like that...everything but the d70, that is...5.14 gears were an option in the Eaton rearend, they *usually* came standard with duallys. 350's of the 69-72 era had 4bbl QJets. However, aftermarket 1 ton 4x conversions such as those from Napco, the company famous for making 4wd trucks for GM prior to '60 (as well as other manufacturers), made 4wd conversions of 1 ton trucks until the mid 70s. There are a few documented Napco 72's I have seen both in person and on the Intardnet, and they all have the Napco front axle...which is a modified Eaton with rzeppa axle joints (birfields, like toyos) closed knuckles and drum brakes. I'm guessing your truck was a rare napco conversion to start out with, and had a dana 70 from an international swapped in. let me guess, closed knuckles and drum brakes on the 70? if so, then it was swapped...if it had open knuckles and discs, it isnt even period correct. d70s of that vintage were behind the 60s, which didnt even get discs til about '75 or so. so unless you have a valid BOM .... :flipoff2:

Back on topic...$20? come awn guys. I must say all the fords i have seen are HP 44's. have seen both HP and LP 60's, tho. :flipoff2:

MCgiver4x4

07-09-2004, 12:02 PM

i just have an axle that i know come from a ford i dont know if its 150 or 250

its 8 lugs low pinion , drivers side uses leaf instead of coils
when i get it come with the transfer its a np205 or np200 divorcied

lets see if i could get the bom number and let you know

Robb

07-09-2004, 02:58 PM

8 lug and leafs is going to make it 3/4 ton, not 1/2 ton. 1/2 ton LP is the challenge of this thread.

fiend

07-10-2004, 07:03 AM

Not saying I do have one, but I do believe my buddy has one in a 77 4x4 f-100. I'll check it out and report back.

bremen242

07-10-2004, 08:02 AM

I'm just jumping in here- what is the difference between the 78-79 HP Dana 44 and the older 1/2 ton Dana 44s?? I always thought the 78-79 were the only HP 44s. If not, then what makes the 78-79 HP44s different?

saf-t scissors

07-10-2004, 08:40 AM

Older ones have the c-bushing wedges welded to the tube. The 78-79 axles have a cast piece with the wedges on it that the axle tube presses into.

bremen242

07-10-2004, 04:22 PM

So it really doesn't matter which one you swap in an 80+ f-150, right?

Mr.N

07-10-2004, 07:53 PM

bremen242

07-11-2004, 06:14 AM

Time to go read the articles.... Picture too!

thanks Mr.N- your articles are full of good stuff..

fiend

07-14-2004, 05:03 PM

Going to take the picture tomorrow, I hope you have the $20 ready.

Mr.N

07-14-2004, 05:31 PM

Going to take the picture tomorrow, I hope you have the $20 ready.
Pic alone will not work, get That BOM!

Mr.N

10-30-2004, 04:13 PM

10-29-2002, 10:27 PM
Here are the rules:
Look at that 2 (as in two) years and I still havn't paid out, not once!

:p :flipoff2: :laughing:

kf4amu

10-30-2004, 05:37 PM

Don't worry, a thousand people are gonna reply here and say they know you're wrong and will have pics tomorrow....or cite many books and articles and buddies and old trucks they used to have....
-Will
89 Bronco XLT 460
Daytona Beach

fiend

10-30-2004, 05:52 PM

Look at that 2 (as in two) years and I still havn't paid out, not once!

:p :flipoff2: :laughing:

I said I would get the pictures, but I forgot my camera. Yeah, you can laugh and not believe me all you want. But I know it's there and next time I go home to VA when I get some time off from school(Probably thanksgiving) I will get a pic.

If I remember correctly it was a 76 or so f-100.

10-30-2004, 08:43 PM

calanders work different in the South?
'tomorrow' here is the next day, not 3 months plus.

bremen242

10-31-2004, 05:29 AM

calanders work different in the South?
'tomorrow' here is the next day, not 3 months plus.

it must.. everything in the south goes slooow.

fiend

10-31-2004, 08:11 AM

calanders work different in the South?
'tomorrow' here is the next day, not 3 months plus.

Well excuse me for forgetting to do something, when I saw the thread I remembered about getting the picture. But i'm not driving 6 hours to take a fucking picture :flipoff2:

Ant

11-03-2004, 04:41 PM

Get his $20, I've seen two of them years ago, both kingpin....

jeeplord

11-03-2004, 05:04 PM

Get his $20, I've seen two of them years ago, both kingpin....

Oh yeah, must have been the same ones I saw, with the aluminum tubes? :rolleyes:

Hoxviii

11-03-2004, 09:50 PM

The closed knuckle D44's used kingpins. . .

Justin

Davethorik

11-03-2004, 10:37 PM

so did some of the older open knuckle brake drum 44's. I can attribute me knowing that fact to Mr. N. :)

Ant

11-04-2004, 08:35 AM

Mr.N

11-04-2004, 08:51 AM

Yes they were closed knuckle drum D44's with kingpins and low pinion's.

You might call Mike at Bent and Twisted 4x4, he used to have a truck there in Chico with one of these old D44's, we had talked about how odd it was and maybe he snapped a pic of it!
That is easy, now try to find an open knuckle king pin low pinion....

1976 F250 low pinion, closed knuckle.
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images/dana44/76f2504x4small.jpg

1963 F100 one.
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images/dana44/ford63dana44knuckleii.jpg http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images/dana44/ford63dana44lowpinionii.jpg

edit: second pic.

Jrod-13

11-04-2004, 10:33 AM

1976 F250 low pinion, closed knuckle.

"Picture 17 is a low pinion Dana 44 solid front axle from an early 1976 Ford F250 4x4. This axle is the same for the years 1969 to 1975 on the F250 4x4 trucks. How is this you ask? Either it's an early 76 truck with left over 75 parts (see note about Ford plants) or someone swapped axle for a better gear ratio" ;)

91 Jeep Project

12-01-2004, 01:02 AM

That is easy, now try to find an open knuckle king pin low pinion....

I have a Open Knuckle Kingpin, but it's High Pinion. You guys are never gonna find this axle................:flipoff2:

Mr.N

12-01-2004, 08:47 AM

That is easy, now try to find an open knuckle king pin low pinion....
I have a Open Knuckle Kingpin, but it's High Pinion. You guys are never gonna find this axle................:flipoff2:
It's easy to find one.
"In 1966 Spicer supplied this revolutionary Reverse Spiral axle, the Dana 44RS, for the new front coil sprung suspension on the Ford F100 4x4. (Picture 1 - 4.) The axle debuted with 3.54 or 4.09 gears, drum brakes, open king pin knuckles and running Spicier 5-260x U-joints. These axles were built in the Fort Wayne Indiana plant, even during the days of Edgerton. Spicer produced this style for Ford until the middle of 1971. "

bremen242

12-01-2004, 09:05 AM

it is easy if you can actually find a 66-71 truck that is intact.. good luck in pa..

91 Jeep Project

12-09-2004, 01:39 PM

It's easy to find one.
"In 1966 Spicer supplied this revolutionary Reverse Spiral axle, the Dana 44RS, for the new front coil sprung suspension on the Ford F100 4x4. (Picture 1 - 4.) The axle debuted with 3.54 or 4.09 gears, drum brakes, open king pin knuckles and running Spicier 5-260x U-joints. These axles were built in the Fort Wayne Indiana plant, even during the days of Edgerton. Spicer produced this style for Ford until the middle of 1971. "

Sorry, I meant a Lp version, I know mine isn't that hard to find............ :grinpimp:

Mr.N

12-09-2004, 03:24 PM

Hey, Looks who's still here.
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http://www.crescentcitycoinclub.org/clipart_and_photos/20%20dollar%20bill%20-%202003%20series%20with%20new%20colors.jpg

psychobilly

12-09-2004, 03:50 PM

Now why should I show ya my pictures when I got me a fancy printer? :flipoff2:

No I aint got no pictures. The only way it will happen is if by some chance ferd had a few Lp's left over when they started production in 66. But hey, as we discussed before Pirate (http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/bible/index.html) tells me they were all lp till 78 so thats proof enough, send me my money. You find a host for you article yet? I dont want to see that thing go, its way to useful.

Mr.N

12-09-2004, 05:49 PM

Now why should I show ya my pictures when I got me a fancy printer? :flipoff2: .
:laughing: Careful on spending it!
You find a host for you article yet? I dont want to see that thing go, its way to useful.
Yes, Spawn_X gave me some space. But I'm taking my usuall slow pace updating the site!

91blaze

07-08-2005, 09:54 AM

Would a driverside leaf sprung 5 on 5.5 Dana44 count?

Ant

07-08-2005, 10:14 AM

That is easy, now try to find an open knuckle king pin low pinion....

1976 F250 low pinion, closed knuckle.
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images/dana44/76f2504x4small.jpg

1963 F100 one.
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images/dana44/ford63dana44knuckleii.jpg http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images/dana44/ford63dana44lowpinionii.jpg

edit: second pic.

I don't get it...... You posted a pic of exactly what you were looking for. A low pinion D44.... you never said it had to be open knuckle, read your first post......

Proeliator

07-08-2005, 10:37 AM

Hey, Looks who's still here.

Now he's just gloating :laughing:

st ranger

07-08-2005, 01:08 PM

I don't get it...... You posted a pic of exactly what you were looking for. A low pinion D44.... you never said it had to be open knuckle, read your first post......

but he did say it had to be f100 or 150,no f250 stuff....and those pictures,my freind,are of an f250.

st ranger

07-08-2005, 01:10 PM

oh,and mr N,i hope you have that $20 locked into a high interest bearing account,as it could be the base for a tidy retirement fund.

Mr.N

10-18-2005, 07:47 PM

Now he's just gloating :laughing:
Three years and still gloating!

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Funny, not one photo..... You'd think I was quote'n facts from Dana / Spicer.

fordnut

10-18-2005, 09:55 PM

boy i sure love all the old junk yard folk lore bullshat very entertaining.

mustange70

10-19-2005, 09:08 PM

Would an 8 lug 35spline semi float dana 60 count that came out of my 80 bogger (10.25 swapped in for better gears and the FF feature:)), oh i actually got 2 of the buggers too? Or how bout a 5 lug dana 60 out of a 60's f-100 :)?

Mr. Pink

10-19-2005, 10:16 PM

lol.. that $20 will sit forever, the D44 lo pinion 1/2 tom frontend in those years is a frikkin unicorn.. its claimed to be existed, seen, but no one has the proof.. Lol...

TBOwi

10-20-2005, 01:21 AM

I had one...But never took pix....:shaking: ...

91 Jeep Project

01-13-2006, 11:49 AM

Funny, not one photo..... You'd think I was quote'n facts from Dana / Spicer.

Just thought I'd bring this thread into '06. Is your Hp done yet or what, the build up looks the same as it did when you first put it up.....:flipoff2:

leadmic

01-13-2006, 12:00 PM

lol.. that $20 will sit forever, the D44 lo pinion 1/2 tom frontend in those years is a frikkin unicorn.. its claimed to be existed, seen, but no one has the proof.. Lol...

Its not a unicorn its bigfoot! :D
Leadmic

brokenujoint

08-20-2006, 05:24 PM

well its damn near impossible to snap a pic of the bom on the housing. i wired it to bare metal and snapped some pics. cant read the numbers for shit. its BOM 603869-7 but the camera wont pic it up. heres what i got.

Ford 44's
1967 602909 24820x 29 3/4”
1968 602964 25983-2z 29 25/32”
1977 603830 706587-1x 706587-2x 31 7/64” 32 39/64”
1977.5-78 603869 706647-1x 706647-2x 31 7/64” 32 39/64” 78.5 603903 706587-1x 706587-2x 31 7/64” 32 39/64”
79 603973 71025-1x 71025-2x 31 35/64” 33 3/64”
All 1 5/16” at 30 splines in F100 and F150’s

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/kevin4332/rearof44.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/kevin4332/insideof44.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/kevin4332/worthlessbomshot.jpg

Fordman500

08-20-2006, 05:36 PM

why does my camera take right side up pictures when used upside down? it was low pinion until it got onto my computer, then it was back to hp.

Offrhoder4x4

08-20-2006, 05:45 PM

He's looking for a stock FRONT LP d44

Halogrinder

08-20-2006, 07:09 PM

He's looking for a stock FRONT LP d44

:retard: :laughing: BWHAAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!! that was funny at the expense
of :laughing: :laughing:
brokenujoint

NHRedneck

08-21-2006, 09:23 AM

well i know my brother had one, and since it was a LP with drum fronts i remember loading it up for a scrap metal run, so no pics for you..... came out of a 72 F100 4x4, and it even had the o so worthless D21 transfer case too..... thats going to the scrap yard this week! i know, i know you still got your 20 bills, but i know personally that atleast one existed........

85f150dsel

08-21-2006, 10:25 AM

blah, blah ,blah so no pics for you..... came out of a 72 blah blah blah......

we have heard this a million times. My 1/2ton came stock with dana 60's and chromo treated shafts too, but my camera isnt workin right now :flipoff2:

JoshTurner

08-21-2006, 04:20 PM

I had a LP 44 that was in my 76 F-150...It got bent/crackd & I had to cut the tube off it to get the shafts out....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/76%20TRUCK/11-05-2004063209PM.jpg

If you will except pix of that Ill take some pix next time Im at the garage...

Greatlakeoffroad

08-21-2006, 04:36 PM

Does my EB count as an F100?

Skerb

05-01-2007, 08:58 PM

jbronco

05-06-2007, 02:08 PM

Hey guys,
I just parted out a 1 owner 73 f100 with a 390, 4 spd, d21. The axles are 3.92 gears with trak-locks. Front sure does look like a low pinion to me. I also have a 75-77 low pinion front disk brake open nuckle 60 sitting under my 78 bronco. Bought it from a friend for $200 without the axleshafts. The big suprise came when I found out that these 60's came with 30 and 19 spline axles. Bought a chevy front chunk on e-bay and dutchman 35 spline axles, spindles and hubs off a d-50. Still don't have much money in it but it just goes to show that you had better know what that used junk is your buying.

bassdude

05-06-2007, 02:48 PM

bremen242

05-06-2007, 04:51 PM

who put the 390 in it?

very well could be a 360 since they look about the same..........

Mr.N

05-06-2007, 06:43 PM

Does my EB count as an F100?

EB's are known as U100's... :D

Mr.N

05-06-2007, 06:45 PM

Hey guys,
I just parted out a 1 owner 73 f100 with a 390, 4 spd, d21. The axles are 3.92 gears with trak-locks. Front sure does look like a low pinion to me.
I'd guess it's a F250 axle swapped in... need the BOM and pictures.

Mr.N

10-29-2007, 08:45 PM

I'll pay $20 for a pic of a low pinion 1/2 ton Ford Dana 44.
Has it been 5 years already? :p

NetBSD

10-29-2007, 08:57 PM

Has it been 5 years already? :p

im still waiting for the first guy to say he had one to post a pic :laughing:

jeep795

10-29-2007, 09:40 PM

i am really surprised to see this post still up. just yesterday or the day before i decided to do some refreshing reading on the n man's site and strolled into this post. awkward to see it started back up today. could i get 20 bucks for a pic of a stock front 9"?

DMGunn

10-29-2007, 10:21 PM

Rinkrat456

04-07-2008, 10:56 PM

FOUND ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But while I was waiting for my flash to power up, a 9 foot freakin' Sasquatch came out of nowhere, grabbed it, and ran back into the woods........mumbling something about it being rare as SBC valve covers that don't leak......Just strolling through this thread after visiting Mr N's website and had to laugh. Even the newer Gen III/IV small blocks have leaky valve covers. :shaking:

Anywho, my hat is off to Mr N for his onward approach to proving his facts. IDK how many years now and not one bit of evidence. Keep up the good work fellow Minnesotan!

7.62FMJ

04-07-2008, 11:19 PM

This makes me want to check my '78 Bronco just for shits and giggles. I haven't been under it since I got it...found out the engine was blown so I've put all my time (and money) towards that. Just broke the bank buying pistons tonight...

JGVABronco78

04-08-2008, 04:47 AM

Its sort of kind of simple. I don't think you could get the front drive shaft from the married t-case to a low-pinion front w/o it hitting the tranny crossmemeber on the p/u truck frame.

Ant

04-08-2008, 09:11 AM

JGVABronco78

04-08-2008, 10:58 AM

You guys all know he DISPROVED his own theory in his post dated 11-04-2004, 08:51 AM on this thread! In that same post he changed the rules and said it had to be open knuckle! Nobody disagrees that open knuckle low pinion did not exist! :shaking::shaking::shaking:

Ant

I think you misinterpereted his reply. Since the low-pinion 1/2-ton 44's prior to 1966 were all closed-knuckle, and the high-pinions from 66 to 71 carried over the closed-knuckle, he's challenging you to find an open-knuckle, low-pinion 44 for a 1/2 ton pick-up. He didn't conceded anything. The next open-knuckle low-pinion 44 to arrive on the scene would be 76/77 disc braked F-250, but that's when they switched to ball-joints so still no king-pin, open-knuckle low-pinion 44 in a Ford pick-up. He still has his $20 by the way. It was, and still is a safe bet. No one will post a picture and a BOM of the axle he's wanting to be proven exists.

Ant

04-08-2008, 02:51 PM

"he's challenging you to find an open-knuckle, low-pinion 44 for a 1/2 ton pick-up."

Thats why everyone "thought" he was wrong becuase his original post didn't say this.... :homer:

Mr.N

04-08-2008, 06:40 PM

Just strolling through this thread after visiting Mr N's website and had to laugh. Even the newer Gen III/IV small blocks have leaky valve covers. :shaking:

Anywho, my hat is off to Mr N for his onward approach to proving his facts. IDK how many years now and not one bit of evidence. Keep up the good work fellow Minnesotan!
Thanks for the nice words!
If you seem me on the trail, make sure to say hi! Or better yet we'll have to have a beverage around the campfire...

Mr.N

04-08-2008, 06:56 PM

I think you misinterpereted his reply. Since the low-pinion 1/2-ton 44's prior to 1966 were all closed-knuckle, and the high-pinions from 66 to 71 carried over the closed-knuckle, he's challenging you to find an open-knuckle, low-pinion 44 for a 1/2 ton pick-up. He didn't conceded anything. The next open-knuckle low-pinion 44 to arrive on the scene would be 76/77 disc braked F-250, but that's when they switched to ball-joints so still no king-pin, open-knuckle low-pinion 44 in a Ford pick-up. He still has his $20 by the way. It was, and still is a safe bet. No one will post a picture and a BOM of the axle he's wanting to be proven exists.
Thanks for the explanation JGVA!
The high Pinion from 66-71 were not closed knuckle, see pic 1 below.

FYI, it a safe bet today. Back when I posted this not many people believed it.
Kind like everyone was using Reverse Rotation back in the day...

67 F100 Reverse Spiral, open knuckle kingpin
http://littlekeylime.com/MrN/img/Dana44/Ford/67/67F100frontRCD44II.jpg

http://littlekeylime.com/MrN/img/Dana44/Ford/67/67F100frontRCD442II.jpg

63 Ford F100 low pinion, closed knuckle kingpin
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/img/Dana44/Ford/63/63FordDana44closeknukle.jpg

just4cuz

04-08-2008, 09:04 PM

I like the truss on that 63 axle.
Mr N, what year did Ford 4x4's have the front of the spring setting on the front frame bracket without the shackle in front? The spring just slid on the front bracket with the spring eye in the rear and the front of the spring was flat. I always thought the spring could slide out of that mount at full droop. Remember this?
Its a safe bet to say all F100's and F150's from 1966 to 1979 with coil springs had HP Dana 44's. I have never seen anything to the contrary.
All F100's that I have seen have had front drum brakes until 1976.
Heres what I want to know, what was the first year you could buy an F100
4x4 with an automatic?
I thought it was 1976 and it was an F150 with a 2 speed t-case and front disc brakes.
My impression was (based on what I have seen) that anything before 1976 was an F100 with a 4 speed, single speed t-case and front drum brakes.
My 1974 F100 shortbed had a 360, 2 barrel, 4speed, single speed t-case, HP Dana 44, front drum brakes and the big 9 inch rear axle housing with trac loc.
I am still looking for pics of an F150 supercab. I've seen one with front leaf springs. It was a longbed and I do not remember if it was an HP or LP, but it did have front disc brakes. A real nice truck, saw it in the mid to late 70's and it still sticks in my mind.

just4cuz

04-10-2008, 12:49 PM

95xj

01-22-2009, 08:40 PM

HAHAHAHA Nobody found one and its now 2009!!!!!

PROJECTJUNKIE

01-23-2009, 07:29 AM

Still would like to know more about Supercab 4x4's front axles.

The only ones that I have seen were 78-79 with the front leafs, flipped a U-turn to check one out one day, thinking it was cobbled together, but was legit, marked F150 with 5lug and leafs. A friend put one in a cherokee, said it was like an inch and a half wider than the regular D44 and was having a hard time finding shafts for it, it was leaf, open knuckle, BJ, HP. His rear is a 9" out of a half ton, you can see that it is substantially narrower than the front.

N_Rod

01-24-2009, 11:25 AM

The only ones that I have seen were 78-79 with the front leafs, flipped a U-turn to check one out one day, thinking it was cobbled together, but was legit, marked F150 with 5lug and leafs. A friend put one in a cherokee, said it was like an inch and a half wider than the regular D44 and was having a hard time finding shafts for it, it was leaf, open knuckle, BJ, HP. His rear is a 9" out of a half ton, you can see that it is substantially narrower than the front.

I have one setting out in the field right now.

stevo

01-25-2009, 04:17 PM

Still would like to know more about Supercab 4x4's front axles.

I have one that I am installing under my 86 F150. The axle shafts ~should~ be the same as the similar year F250 with the HD D44HP as this axle is the same with the exception of being different from the knuckles out.

Stevo

just4cuz

01-26-2009, 09:51 PM

I still remember the first one I saw was in the mountains on a ski trip. Had to turn around and check it out. Longbed supercab 1/2 ton with leaf springs, at first I too thought it was an "assembled" truck. After close inspection I realized it was a factory truck. Not very many around in Southern California.
It is still one of my favorite Ford trucks.

project86

01-27-2009, 09:40 AM

I used a 78 Supercab D44 for an SAS in my Bronco. F250 inner shafts do fit (running them now), as do F150 outers. Housing is pretty much the same as an F250 of the same year, 31.75 spring spacing, 1/2" tubes. Knuckles are 5 bolt, flattop w/ arm on driver's side, use F150 spindles etc. Kind of a cool setup, like a factory 5 lug swap on a 250 axle.

Mr.N

02-09-2009, 07:49 PM

Still nothing?

4XFORD

02-09-2009, 07:54 PM

Still nothing?

You're alive!?

Mr.N

02-09-2009, 08:37 PM

You're alive!?
Yeah, took some time off.

KyleQ

02-10-2009, 10:07 AM

421158

Surprised this has yet to be mentioned yet. Although - I wonder if it is truly considered a 1/2 ton?

Mr.N

07-15-2009, 09:59 PM

Surprised this has yet to be mentioned yet. Although - I wonder if it is truly considered a 1/2 ton?
Edit: Dang I was looking at the axle I missed the C4.
Sorry the EB's don't count for cash.

Alpo

07-16-2009, 10:13 AM

OK the front spring question I looked up myself.
They were called "slipper springs", used on the front of 1966 F-250's. A one year only deal? We know the 1967-72 body style had the front springs eye frame mounted to the front and a rear shackle on the F-250's.

What rear axle did Ford use in the 1959 to 1965 1/2 ton 4x4 pickups?
I have seen pictures with 9 inch rear ends and Dana 44's. My old 63 came with a Dana 44 front and rear and I have seen many others with 44's. The 9 inch was in the 2wd truck, were they swap in's in 4x4's or come that way from Ford?

I know all F-250's had the Dana 60 rear end from 1959 to 1984, in a full floater until 1979. Then a semi-floater was available from 80 to 84 in a lighter duty GVW.

Still would like to know more about Supercab 4x4's front axles.

the 'slipper' front shackle was 1965-1966 F-250 4x4. only years I have seen them.

the reason why you see on occasion a D-44 in the back of a F-100 4x4 from 1959-1979 (yes up to and maybe even beyond) is that Ford didnt feel the trash-loc was strong enough to be in a truck application in the 9 inch housing. so if you ordred a limited slip or full locker in any truck, 4x2 or 4x4 you got a Dana/spicer power-lok or a detroit locker in a Dana axle. the standerd axle for the trucks was a 9 inch open case.

07-16-2009, 05:13 PM

Kind like everyone was using Reverse Rotation back in the day...

everyone still uses the term reverse rotation, other then you.

Jrod-13

07-16-2009, 07:33 PM

the reason why you see on occasion a D-44 in the back of a F-100 4x4 from 1959-1979 (yes up to and maybe even beyond) is that Ford didnt feel the trash-loc was strong enough to be in a truck application in the 9 inch housing. so if you ordred a limited slip or full locker in any truck, 4x2 or 4x4 you got a Dana/spicer power-lok or a detroit locker in a Dana axle. the standerd axle for the trucks was a 9 inch open case.

Are you sure about that?? I've never seen a 44 in the back of any 70's ford truck(Though I have heard of them in early 70's).... 2wd or 4wd.. I have however seen plenty with a 9" and limited slips..

everyone still uses the term reverse rotation, other then you.

Don't be too sure about that.. I've noticed its usage declining.. nothing about it rotates backwards after all..

Chance B

07-16-2009, 07:50 PM

everyone still uses the term reverse rotation, other then you.

What, you mean reverse cut? :flipoff2:

4XFORD

07-16-2009, 08:02 PM

Are you sure about that?? I've never seen a 44 in the back of any 70's ford truck.... 2wd or 4wd.. I have however seen plenty with a 9" and limited slips....

X2. I have a couple 9" with ls, code H2. Have never seen a 44 in the rear of a '70s.

Don't be too sure about that.. I've noticed its usage declining.. nothing about it rotates backwards after all...

Retards still call it reverse rotation. :shaking:
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mustange70

07-16-2009, 09:03 PM

i've seen a fair number of semi float 5 lug 60's

just4cuz

07-16-2009, 11:09 PM

My 74 had a 9" with Trac-lock. I've also seen 44's in the back of 70's Fords, but it was the 67-72 bodystyle. Seen 5 lug semi float 60's in them too.
After 72 all the 1/2 tons I remember had 9" in them. Still looking for a 1/2 ton super cab picture. They are my favorite.

4XFORD

07-17-2009, 07:11 AM

My '73 F-100 4x4 has a C6, Np205 and a 'N' case third w/ls. :) It's the third one I've seen with this combo, the other two were '74s.

This chatter keeps the thread alive but I think Mr Ns $20 is safe.

Alpo

07-17-2009, 08:00 AM

there is a 67-72 4x2 f-100 down the street with a D-44 in the rear.
As for 1973 and newer using a 9" with trash-loc, I stand corrected.
however the dana/spice parts books shows BOM applications for f100 thru 1979 with the d-44 rears with powerlocks/detroits.

4XFORD

07-17-2009, 10:42 AM

however the dana/spice parts books shows BOM applications for f100 thru 1979 with the d-44 rears with powerlocks/detroits.

This I do not doubt, I've just never seen one. Some of the things Ford did were regional, so it could be something like only trucks assembled in St. Louis got the Dana 44 so we may not see that many on the west coast because the bulk of the trucks we see came from San Jose. Not saying this is the case, just a possibility.

Nice to see you check in Alpo.

DMGunn

07-17-2009, 06:33 PM

Yeah, reverse-cut or simply high-pinion.

Now can we please, please just let this thread die? :shaking:

Pretty please?

just4cuz

07-17-2009, 06:58 PM

Why? It may be one of the longest running threads on Pirate. Some enlightening info is occasionally posted. 4xFord, is the N (nodular) case the one they put in the heavy duty 9" housing. Mine had a step in the tubes, the housing was big and stepped down as it transitioned to the axle tube.

Mr.N

07-17-2009, 07:12 PM

Yeah, reverse-cut or simply high-pinion.

Now can we please, please just let this thread die? :shaking:
Hey Newbie, This thread was started over 3 years before you even jointed! :laughing:
Newbies are not allowed to ask for a thread die if it's older than their join date.
Oct 2002 . vs . Jul 2006

It seems old hat now, and almost common knowledge... however I'll never let this thread die! :p

4XFORD

07-20-2009, 09:54 PM

4xFord, is the N (nodular) case the one they put in the heavy duty 9" housing. Mine had a step in the tubes, the housing was big and stepped down as it transitioned to the axle tube.

Mine has no step in the housing, what did yours come from?

just4cuz

07-23-2009, 08:08 PM

1974 F-100 shortbed 360 2bbl 4sp single speed t-case. Had a rear end that was three pieces welded together. The banjo and two axle tubes, so it stepped down at the tubes instead of the smooth transition of the banjo into the tubes.

adrianspeeder

07-30-2009, 07:32 PM

Yeah, reverse-cut or simply high-pinion.

Now can we please, please just let this thread die? :shaking:

Pretty please?

Why would you let a pretty good tech discussion of the old school slip away?

Adrianspeeder

boatwrench1

12-14-2009, 04:33 PM

I could use your help Mr N on this 44......I can not find any for sure info on this front axle on my buggy. The BOM is, #603421, date 6175A4, 44-F1, C-35817. The rest of the running gear is from 3/4 ton (I think, 60 rear, NP435-dana21), but the front axle only has 5 lugs?? I have to replace the axle shaft u-joints and that's what got me into having to know were it came from. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh136/boatwrench1/boats/DSCF2985.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh136/boatwrench1/boats/DSCF2989.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh136/boatwrench1/boats/DSCF2991.jpg

12-14-2009, 04:45 PM

603421
76 BRONCO
if you can add the dash number I can tell you more

alx

12-14-2009, 04:45 PM

looks like a dana 30 but possomly a 44 from an EB , need better picof knuckles. but eh what do i know :smokin:

TatorZuk

12-14-2009, 06:14 PM

I know all F-250's had the Dana 60 rear end from 1959 to 1984, in a full floater until 1979.

I've got an old Dana 60 out of a Ford 1/2 ton 2x4...5 on 5.5 bolt circle, semi float.

Are these fairly common???

I'll see if I can get a pic.

boatwrench1

12-14-2009, 06:34 PM

603421
76 BRONCO
if you can add the dash number I can tell you more

After the dash is a 3. I've never been into hubs like these, any insight?? 1st, how do the caps come off. And can I change to locking hubs w/ a conversion kit? Grease fitting??? Whats up with that? Thanks a boatload.

Mr.N

12-14-2009, 08:19 PM

After the dash is a 3. I've never been into hubs like these, any insight?? 1st, how do the caps come off. And can I change to locking hubs w/ a conversion kit? Grease fitting??? Whats up with that? Thanks a boatload.
603421-3
1976 Bronco, 3.54 gears, open diff from Spicer

First your question.
The Cap is pressed on. A few ways to take it off, just don't damage the hub.
I like a small ball-pein hammer and a screwdriver, tap it easy on the cap and work it out slowly, back and forth form each side.
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/img/Dana44/Ford/63/63FordDana44hub.jpg

It will have a "puck" inside, something like this.
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images/dana44/Dana44pucks.jpg

It's easy to replace those pucks with standard internal lockouts. (Hint hold on to the pucks as trail spares)

Can you take more pictures of those knuckles? Why no brakes?
Thanks.

12-14-2009, 08:33 PM

603421-3
Standard open dif
3.54 ring and pinion p# 706613-4X
case assy kit pn#706614X
case kit p# 706615X
inner parts p# 706616X
rh shaft assembly p#660029-1
Lh shaft assembly p#660029-2

you would have to look up whether that axle had the 260x u joints or the 297x that the full sizes had

I am guessing this is a mud racer as the front brake brackets look to be torched off

12-14-2009, 08:35 PM

MrN beat me too it :)

is there grease nipples added to the hub? looks like an inner and outer

Mr.N

12-14-2009, 08:44 PM

MrN beat me too it :)

is there grease nipples added to the hub? looks like an inner and outer
Thanks because you had more data...

Caps look like 260's...

Looks like I still have my cash :grinpimp:

boatwrench1

12-15-2009, 11:32 AM

Thanks guys, I'll try and take some more pics. There are grease fittins on both hubs, one on the outside (driver side) and one on the inside of the spindle (pass side).?? The brake is on the output shaft of the t-case. Deck buggy.....
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh136/boatwrench1/boats/DSCF2972.jpg

boatwrench1

12-16-2009, 04:49 PM

Mr N, here are a couple of the side I've got tore down now.....boy sure aint like boats, I got all the parts for both sides for like $80!!:smokin:
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh136/boatwrench1/boats/DSCF2994.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh136/boatwrench1/boats/DSCF2992.jpg

12-16-2009, 05:20 PM

is there some creative repairs on that spindle? new ones are not that pricey
looks like a pretty heavy beast for that light axle

Mr.N

12-16-2009, 07:20 PM

Mr N, here are a couple of the side I've got tore down now.....boy sure aint like boats, I got all the parts for both sides for like $80!!:smokin:
Did the hubs come with instructions? Mind sharing them?

boatwrench1

12-16-2009, 07:52 PM

mj, the spindle is just knicked up, I'm gonna file it down and smooth it a bit. Pics make it look worse than it really is. Must have happened in a previous life, cause there was nothin in there when I pulled it apart.
I have not had it weighed yet, but I'm guessin 4500# (decks alum). It's not as heavy as a couple boats I've pulled with that same truck, heaviest boat was 5500#.
Mr.N, I did'nt go for the lock'n hubs, just u-joints, all seals, spindle bearing kits, for both sides......In boat money, that's like $1000!:D
Thanks again ya'll.

jac1502

08-14-2011, 04:07 PM

I don't think I have found a LP axle that is so sought after but I have found one that seems odd

Here is what I know.
LP
Leaf srung
4.09 gears
Disc brakes
Dual piston calipers
68" WMS to WMS
4.5" hubs
8 lug
2 3/4 tubes
HD 44 case

I think the BOM says 603783-1 before that it has 796C4

I was told it came out of a 77 Ford F250. Looks all stock and not pieced together

Would it not have 3" tubes if it was from an 77 F250?
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f79/jac1502/2011-08-05185532.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f79/jac1502/DSCF0634-1.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f79/jac1502/DSCF0632-1.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f79/jac1502/DSCF0612.jpg

mvanhelden

08-14-2011, 04:51 PM

UR a fucking idiot

IROK Cherokee

08-14-2011, 05:13 PM

:laughing:

jac1502

08-14-2011, 05:27 PM

Havok450

08-14-2011, 05:53 PM

he is looking for a 1/2 ton, low pinion, kingpin, open knuckle axle, which will be coil sprung, the axle in that picture is in fact a leaf sprung ball joint axle

jac1502

08-14-2011, 06:03 PM

dahoyle

08-14-2011, 07:42 PM

I understood that; but I also read that there are 1/2ton super cabs that are leaf sprung around the same time period which should make them all HP 44.

"F150 Super Cabs from 1977-79 came with the same axle as the F100 & F150 style (5 on 5.5" wheel bolt circle) except it's set up for leaf springs like the F250. It came with the 1/2" thick tubes and the F250 steering set up. The only real down side is how rare these axles are, and the tall gears they come with. Price can range from average to top dollar depending on how knowledgeable the yard is"

I do however have 8 lug.

Just trying to figure out exactly what I have. And since it just does not fit with what I have read I assumed a question worth more then some little pricks smart remarks.

If I am making an off the wall statement tell me but don't give me shit for asking a question.

No, really. You're a fucking idiot.

First, your post has nothing to do with this thread, in any way, shape, or form.

Second, if you run your BOM, it tells you exactly what the axle is, and what it is out of.

Third, if your talking about the axle which you posted pictures of, (and you must be, since you made a point of showing the BOM) then it is clearly not coil sprung.

Those three things pretty much tell the world that you are a fucking idiot.

Oh, one last thing. Please share with us all, what makes the case a D44HD. Curious minds want to know, since Dana never made a D44HD.

Mr.N

08-14-2011, 07:57 PM

care to explain?

Is this statement not correct?
"low pinion Heavy Duty Dana 44 solid front axle from a 1976 Ford F250 4x4. This axle is the same for the years 1976 to 1977.5 on the F250 4x4 trucks. The major change is to open knuckle ball joints with disk brakes and 5-297x u-joint. This design was running a front leaf spring setup with 3" tubes and 1/2" walls"
Mr N

I don't have 3" tubes.
It might not be, I don't have access to a 76-77.5 F250 with those hubs anymore...
It it's not 3" then it's 2.75" no?

Might have wanted to start another thread, this one is about "1/2 ton Ford Dana 44"

Mr.N

08-14-2011, 07:59 PM

Oh, one last thing. Please share with us all, what makes the case a D44HD. Curious minds want to know, since Dana never made a D44HD.
Spicer did make an axle they refer to as the Heavy Duty Dana 44..

It's too late for me to look it up, and my mind is now on Dana 60's these days.

Mr.N

08-14-2011, 08:01 PM

Just trying to figure out exactly what I have. And since it just does not fit with what I have read I assumed a question worth more then some little pricks smart remarks.
You've a typical 76-77.5 F250 axle, or at least part of it are...

start a new thread and I'll look up the BOM for you.

brewchief

08-14-2011, 08:07 PM

my mind is now on Dana 60's these days.

Are you planning on gathering info on the 60's in the same way as you have with the 44's?

Mr.N

08-14-2011, 08:07 PM

Standing bet until it's paid out once. However I'll never have to pay this out. They never came with a low pinion axle, at least not from the factory. Yes, several people have posted they know of one, here is there chance to prove me wrong. :D
Well, looks who is still hear after all these years...

http://www.marshu.com/articles/images-website/articles/presidents-on-us-paper-money/twenty-20-dollar-bill.jpg

Mr.N

08-14-2011, 08:16 PM

Are you planning on gathering info on the 60's in the same way as you have with the 44's?

I am taking a lot of pics of this build up.

All my contacts are Dana are no long there, and they are not updating the web page with much info. I've pics of several different Super Duties... however what drove my Dana 44 page was all the miss information there was back then... I don't think anyone who is a member in the past 5 years can really understand how different it was when I started this thread.

I'm at least doing a write up on my Dana 60 high steer for a king pin axle. I've talked to the guy who invented the springless high steer arms, and he has been kind enough to share info with me.

No current plans for an article, maybe ask BillaVista if he'll do an update? I'll even proof that one, but would like to me mentioned this time around :p

dahoyle

08-14-2011, 08:25 PM

Spicer did make an axle they refer to as the Heavy Duty Dana 44..

It's too late for me to look it up, and my mind is now on Dana 60's these days.

Yeah, we've had that discussion before. Somewhere around here, I have a standing offer of $100 for a specific mention by Dana, of a D44HD, and I have still yet to see anything. I found a reference about the large closed knuckle, as an HD knuckle, but nothing that specifies a D44HD. Unfortunately, the most recent PDF files are missing some of the info I recall seeing in the past. The reference I have on file, is an old D44 service manual (5310-3) published by Dana/Spicer, which included the old closed knuckle axles. It only refers to the "Closed Knuckle-Heavy Duty Design"

Feel free to claim the prize if you have anything.

dahoyle

08-14-2011, 08:30 PM

You've a typical 76-77.5 F250 axle, or at least part of it are...

start a new thread and I'll look up the BOM for you.

No need.

I looked it up. It checks out to be what he said it is, except for the mounting configuration, and 510-9 says it's from a 76 only. It may well have been installed in a 77 tho.

just4cuz

08-14-2011, 11:01 PM

jac1502

08-15-2011, 12:13 AM

No, really. You're a fucking idiot.

First, your post has nothing to do with this thread, in any way, shape, or form.

Second, if you run your BOM, it tells you exactly what the axle is, and what it is out of.

Third, if your talking about the axle which you posted pictures of, (and you must be, since you made a point of showing the BOM) then it is clearly not coil sprung. Typo, leaf pads where clearly there

Those three things pretty much tell the world that you are a fucking idiot.
and you comments clearly make you a prick. You must jerk off to the thought of axle parts.

Oh, one last thing. Please share with us all, what makes the case a D44HD. Curious minds want to know, since Dana never made a D44HD.
1. Finding LP 1/2 ton truck axles, I did however typed incorrectly. it should have read leaf not coils. hmm seems close to me, dick.
2. I had no luck finding it in various BOMs sites
3. Again typed incorrectly.

You comments clearly make you a prick. You must jerk off to the thought of axle parts or someone making a reference to them incorrectly. Go have a beer, get , laid or just chill out in general

I have read the below additional case fins make it an HD case
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f79/jac1502/DSCF0607-1.jpg
Never claimed to be an expert on axles just thought I'd share and try to get some info.

jac1502

08-15-2011, 12:25 AM

It might not be, I don't have access to a 76-77.5 F250 with those hubs anymore...
It it's not 3" then it's 2.75" no?

Might have wanted to start another thread, this one is about "1/2 ton Ford Dana 44"

Yeah its 2.75, and that's what made me consider it could be from an F150 super cab.
Thanks for the info.

Stpaulies

08-15-2011, 06:43 PM

this thread is a waste of time. What your asking for a picture of does not exist.

Mr.N

08-15-2011, 07:33 PM

this thread is a waste of time. What your asking for a picture of does not exist.
Stpaulies
Join Date: Jul 2011
Member # 195503

... however what drove my Dana 44 page was all the miss information there was back then... I don't think anyone who is a member in the past 5 years can really understand how different it was when I started this thread.... when I started this thread in 2002

Thank you for proving my point. :p

:winning:

Mr.N

08-15-2011, 07:35 PM

Yeah, we've had that discussion before. Somewhere around here, I have a standing offer of $100 for a specific mention by Dana, of a D44HD
Sure... turn it back on me... lol

Really thanks. I enjoy a challenge, not let see what happens... :grinpimp:

(what really sucks is I think I remember that thread :laughing: )

dahoyle

08-15-2011, 10:35 PM

In some Ford sales brochures from the 67-72 F-250 4x4 trucks they refer to the external hub dana 44 as an HD front axle. Probably because of the bigger closed knuckles they put on them and the external hubs. Were those knuckles and hubs Dana 60 stuff back then? Not sure when the 1/2" thick tubes were introduced. I just call what most people refer to as an HD Dana 44 as an external hub model. It is closer to the truth since the centers were all the same as I recall.

Yes, the HD closed knuckle installed on the 44 is the same knuckle as on the D60 of the day. You are almost correct about the centers. There is a later model 44, which Dana refers to as a Super, and it has some significant changes from the original. As to what Ford calls something, well, that is irrelevant to the issue. Manufacturers have been calling this, that, and the other, HD since the beginning. What matters is what Dana called the axle. Lately, there are folks even referring to the Super44 as a 44HD, and that is totally wrong.

Stpaulies

08-16-2011, 06:40 AM

Stpaulies
Join Date: Jul 2011
Member # 195503

... when I started this thread in 2002

Thank you for proving my point. :p

:winning:

Holy crap i didnt even notice this thread was that old. i saw people posting on this subject yesterday lol.that is alot of years of debate over a non-issue.

85f150dsel

08-16-2011, 07:08 AM

this thread is a waste of time. What your asking for a picture of does not exist.

Did you read the first post :laughing:

However I'll never have to pay this out.

Elwenil

08-16-2011, 07:30 AM

Saw this thread title from the main menu so I didn't realize how old it was at first. I will say that Mr.N is a man of his word and will pay up the $20 if you can find proof of what he seeks. We had a similar question about D44 axles in 1 ton Dodge trucks and once pics were provided, he did keep his end of the bargain. You've got to respect that sort of dedication to providing comprehensive info on axles on his site. Once finished, I think his site will probably have a lot of info on various drivetrains that is probably not gathered all in one place anywhere else.

Mr.N

08-16-2011, 05:38 PM

I will say that Mr.N is a man of his word and will pay up the $20 if you can find proof of what he seeks. We had a similar question about D44 axles in 1 ton Dodge trucks and once pics were provided, he did keep his end of the bargain.
Carry on, nothing to read here...

:grinpimp:

bremen242

08-18-2011, 06:52 PM

It has been soo long that I can't even remember exactly what kinda LP axle we are trying to find.

Loftis61

08-19-2011, 01:50 AM

It has been soo long that I can't even remember exactly what kinda LP axle we are trying to find.

Then I suggest you go to PAGE 1... :shaking:

Lol, I recall the discussion of Mr N and Elwenil about D44's in 1-tons. I will also second that he is indeed a man of his word when he says he'll pay up.

:beer: to Mr N for his efforts to combine such information in one place for future reference for learning guys like myself.

Ant

08-19-2011, 12:46 PM

If you read the post on 11-4-2004, Mr. N proved himself wrong. In that post Mr.N changed the rules to say it had to be an "Open Knuckle" Axle..... :shaking:

Pirate EB

08-21-2011, 09:50 PM

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/2557135936.html

Havok450

08-22-2011, 10:35 AM

that is a closed knuckle leaf sprung axle with drum brakes, dont bother looking at it

dahoyle

08-22-2011, 02:48 PM

that is a closed knuckle leaf sprung axle with drum brakes, dont bother looking at it

That one is special. It's worth it's weight in scrap iron.

Havok450

08-22-2011, 03:34 PM

and if you plug all the lug nut holes and hub assembly hole, you could make one bad ass rusty/ heavy bowl

Mr.N

08-26-2011, 01:45 AM

If you read the post on 11-4-2004, Mr. N proved himself wrong. In that post Mr.N changed the rules to say it had to be an "Open Knuckle" Axle..... :shaking:
Funny, I don't see anything from my post about changing the rules.

There never was a closed knuckle Dana 44 from a F100 or F150 in the years I posted :shaking:
Thats what this thread is about, getting rid of the miss information that was everywhere on these axles.

I know your sore because you were proven wrong. Now go find your closed knuckle axle with low pinion and I'll pay you $20.
Time to step up Ant, or shut up.

Here are the rules:
Must be out of a F100 or F150’s from 1968 to 1979 Ford Truck.
It has to be a stock front drive axle, with BOM clearly shown in one picture. No F250 stuff, no swapped in axles.

Standing bet until it's paid out once. However I'll never have to pay this out. They never came with a low pinion axle, at least not from the factory. Yes, several people have posted they know of one, here is there chance to prove me wrong. :D

That is easy, now try to find an open knuckle king pin low pinion....

1976 F250 low pinion, closed knuckle.
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images/dana44/76f2504x4small.jpg

1963 F100 one.
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images/dana44/ford63dana44knuckleii.jpg http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images/dana44/ford63dana44lowpinionii.jpg

edit: second pic.