OK, I'm working on a custom HP D44 for the front of my junk, my original idea was to use a Dodge short side, and a Scout long side, with F150 outers I should get ~64" WMF-WMF (give or take).


I had a dodge housing I sacrificed for my tubes (2.75"), but it was just the housing, no shafts. I used the only posted shaft length for dodge D44 shafts I could find (posted by Llyod, and also found on 4bangers chart)

short: 16.31" (also seen 16.51")
long: 36.31"

I figured I would leave the short side alone, and now I would need to cut down the long side, however, I can't figure out how much.

According to the numbers found as mentioned above, and off the WARN chart, the scout long is 32.91" - 36.31", the cut off 3.4". However, comparing TUBE lengths, I find a major discrepancy. my "dodge" tube is 31.875" long, a GM D44 tube is 30.75" long... but according to all the charts, a GM D44 shaft is only 36.13", only .18" shorter than the dodge, but yet the tubes are 1.125" different. Comparing the shorts sides, I find a 2" difference in the shafts, but a 1.5" difference in the tubes (I'm comparing to a chev D44 because I have on sitting next to my bench, and am able to compare measurements).


OK, enough babbling, my question: are my dodge "theoretical" shaft lengths right? It the donor housing even a dodge housing after all??? It was a ball-joint housing, SO, passenger drop, pumpkin side "studs" (similar to a front 60).

BOM #'s off the long tube: 60 3572 1 11 4 4 6BE


can anyone help? Is there an on-line dana BOM chart?? Or an online dana axle shaft length chart (other than Warns or 4bangers?)


sorry for the long post... just this is being a hold up in my current project and its ticking me of..


thanks
-mark

Wrong, ask Josh C, he found out his Dodge front used different long side axles then the junk yard set he pulled from a Dodge at the Pic-N-Pull. My Dodge long side is long as hell. Why not measure a long side on a Scout II housing and cut the Dodge to the same length. I've got one in back I can pull the measurement for you this weekend.

Joe

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite

BOM #'s off the long tube: 60 3572 1 11 4 4 6BE


can anyone help? Is there an on-line dana BOM chart?? Or an online dana axle shaft length chart (other than Warns or 4bangers?)
http://www2.dana.com/expert BOM chart.

From the Dana book:

You have a 75-76 Dodge open 3.54 Dana 44 front axle.
inner shaft center to end of spline 16 29/32
inner shaft center to end of spline 37 3/32

Just compare the two shafts, cut the differance off the tube.

thanks Mr. N, those are damn near the "theoretical" shaft lengths I came up with (using the chev axle as a model), looks like I got one (actually two) of those "super wide" units.

thanks.

jdjanda, I got a scout housing I took some numbers off of, but its still partialy assembled so I wasn't getting good numbers, I'll have to play with it more this weekend, but if you want to take the time to measure yours as well, that would be handy (check my numbers).


Looks like I'll have to cut the short side down as well... maybe, have to crunch the numbers and see what I get now that I know the actuall shaft lengths.

thanks, got to go, the wife is beconing me to bed........ :D :D

OK, I had a couple minutes, and I checked out the site Mr. N posted... but I couldn't get any results back.


I think I have heard the the web-site doesn't go back past '79, is this the case??

In the number I posted above... what it the "BOM" number?? is it the whole thing, of just part of the above number??

Thanks, just trying to learn more!


-mark

Originally posted by Mr.N
http://www2.dana.com/expert BOM chart.

From the Dana book:

You have a 75-76 Dodge open 3.54 Dana 44 front axle.
inner shaft center to end of spline 16 29/32
inner shaft center to end of spline 37 3/32

Just compare the two shafts, cut the differance off the tube.


my 62in HP D44 uses the 16 29/32 (16.9) short shaft, and the 32.12 long wagoneer shaft... of course mine's also got 29in spring center's too ;)

Originally posted by DSI



my 62in HP D44 uses the 16 29/32 (16.9) short shaft, and the 32.12 long wagoneer shaft... of course mine's also got 29in spring center's too ;)

what outers did you use Dave?? And what side pumpkin (I'm assuming passenger/Toy).

doing math :eek:: 60.5" Scout axle, subtract Scout short (14.73"), add dodge short (16.9") = 62.67", add 2" for going from Scout outers to Ford internal (or GM) outers = 64.67"


is my math off??? (Scout *may* be only 60", so that would be 64.17")



Oh, and I played with the Dana site some more, the BOM for my housing is: 60352-1, but is not in their data base... were can I get the books?? Seem like handy items.....

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite
Oh, and I played with the Dana site some more, the BOM for my housing is: 60352-1, but is not in their data base... were can I get the books?? Seem like handy items.....
That is not a Dana BOM. It needs 6 numbers then a Dash and a 7th number.

My guess is it's a 603562-1
In that case it's a Dana 30 front from a 74.5-75 Scout II with 3.31 gears. It runs the smaller 260 U-joint.

Book, Watch E-bay. Or send me a PM, i think around $40 is what I saw one for the other month.

Did you know dana produced a dead axle for the 78 scout II! That means 2WD was an option a Scout II. Wow, learn something every day.

Originally posted by Mr.N

That is not a Dana BOM. It needs 6 numbers then a Dash and a 7th number.

My guess is it's a 603562-1
In that case it's a Dana 30 front from a 74.5-75 Scout II with 3.31 gears. It runs the smaller 260 U-joint.

Book, Watch E-bay. Or send me a PM, i think around $40 is what I saw one for the other month.

Did you know dana produced a dead axle for the 78 scout II! That means 2WD was an option a Scout II. Wow, learn something every day.

nope, my bad, missed a number when I typed it. I *meant* to say 603572-1.. thats the axle you looked up for me :D


ya, IH had Dana produce Dead Axles all the way from the first Scout 80 in '61 (D27 based), '70'ish-'74ish they had a D30 baced unit, and then from 74/75-'80 they had a D44 based unit.

baseing on axle tube dia, and what Scout's ran for front diffs at the time, and what outers were in them.

2wd was alwasy an option, and popular on the postal editions. Basicaly, they are a Dana axle, minus the center chuck... good for parts :D


If you got an extra book, or can get them, or info on what to search for, please, e-mail me, I would be intrested.

thanks
-mark