I just saw the new Goodyear tires today for the first time. It's labled as a 40 X 13.50 X 17. mounted on a 10" wheel they are 39.5" tall at street pressure. All I can say is wow! I want a set!

Thats what I'm talking about. Thats a great size tire, I am hoping that the sidewalls would be a little tougher but thats probably wishful thinking..........

Right Awn! Are they selling them or just letting comp guys use them?

i wanna see the whole tire on something is that possible

Ben

That is going to be sweet!

Who has 'um? Walker? Let's see some more pics!

uhhh ooooohhh my mind is changing on tire selection.... :D

same as usual MTR tread pattern?

Looks like I better get some 5.5" springs!:D

Its about time they came out with those. They're a sweet lookin tire no doubts about em. I've seen those tires wayyyyy cool!! Now I just need to wear out my 37's :D

RUMOR........ not verified in any way..... jsaon paule may have these on a rig at sema

This should change the whole ballgame....


Looks like the options for BIG tires and BIG rims just got a real kick start :)


Maybe we can FINALLY stop seeing :rainbow: Mickey Thompson tires on jacked up street trucks :laughing:

A Bogger in that size would be interesting :D

TEX

Durham is picking up his set at SEMA

Originally posted by TEX
A Bogger in that size would be interesting :D

TEX

Bhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

you mud guys crack me up:D

Rich

would love to try a set should bring them to the front of the class on the rocks

They are on Jason Paule's rig.

Shannon

to bad they arnt listed here (http://www.goodyeartires.com/catalog/products/WRLMTRSize.html)

HEY "BFG" WHERE ARE YOU? :D

I really really want those.

So Chris how about a picture showing the whole tire and rim mounted?

Sundowner want.

Trust me, BFG is on top on the big tire movement. Just ask SHUPEE, I bet he has them on his rig next season ;). I think he said they were going to be labeled 39-13.5 though:confused: I'd still pick the BFG's over the MTR's even if they were .5" smaller.

Originally posted by Big Rich


Bhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

you mud guys crack me up:D

Rich

You're right of course. 13.50 is really too wide ;)


TEX

:eek: :eek: $$$$$ :eek: :eek:

I would pay to try these out

Originally posted by Bones
:eek: :eek: $$$$$ :eek: :eek:

i think it's really interesting that the tire manufacturers are really into rock crawling to the point where they're making new tires. says alot about the popularity of rockcrawling/rockracing. :)

- jack

Originally posted by badassjeepguy
HEY "BFG" WHERE ARE YOU? :D

Why do you care you aren't running/with BFG :confused: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude


Why do you care you aren't running/with BFG :confused: :flipoff2:



WTF DO YOU KNOW WHAT IM DOIN? :flipoff2: geeesh :rolleyes: i guess maybe i should of passed it by you first huh? :rolleyes: again!

if really wanna know its up in the air between 3 manufactors...... time will tell which one i go with........... there is a favorite if you couldnt tell!

Originally posted by bigdude


Why do you care you aren't running/with BFG :confused: :flipoff2:

why would you care also...... arent you runnin NIKE :D :flipoff2:

Jason already has them mounted on his truck as of tues. He says they are 2" taller than a 39.5 swamp. Its still rumor to me but BFG will have their out Jan to test on 5 competetors, hopes before baja rocks. Cant wait, the cruiser hurts on those 37s.
I dont think any will be for sale in 2003, and a cant imagine what they would charge$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I get to mount the new BFG proto at sema tues, has bigger side tread. Still the best tire out.

Originally posted by badassjeepguy


why would you care also...... arent you runnin NIKE :D :flipoff2:

Yep I run in Nikes. But Frank has a set of Krawlers on the way for my Jeep (37" flavor of course). Tracking down some 8-lug 17s w/ 5" BS is a little bit of a pain though :mad:

*edit* so suck it :flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude


Yep I run in Nikes. But Frank has a set of Krawlers on the way for my Jeep (37" flavor of course). Tracking down some 8-lug 17s w/ 5" BS is a little bit of a pain though :mad:

*edit* so suck it :flipoff2:

hmmm how bout that........... i got a set of what you lookin for... :D :flipoff2:

Originally posted by badassjeepguy


hmmm how bout that........... i got a set of what you lookin for... :D :flipoff2:

Sent you a PM in regards to the wheels. But I thought you went 5 on 5.5" :confused: Are these left over from when you first bought those two HP60s and were going to make axles?

i want some it's been a long time waiting

$$$$$

considering Goodyear is the price leader in the 37" tires (thnaks to Chris) I'd bet it's not that bad.

BFG should have their 39/40 out in late Dec-Jan. It will be interesting to see who sticks with 37's, and who goes up to the 40's. 40's = more carnage! :nuke:

GoodYear will formally announce the tires at the SEMA show on Monday. There will be several sets of these tires at the show including one set that will be mounted on a hummer on display. Other rigs may also have them on display. The tread is the same MTR tread as other GoodYears.

Here is a pic of a 37" GoodYear in front of the 40" GoodYear. I assume they will only be available to competitors for the first few months, then if they are a success like the 37's were they will move into retail production.

Originally posted by Lance
BFG should have their 39/40 out in late Dec-Jan. It will be interesting to see who sticks with 37's, and who goes up to the 40's. 40's = more carnage! :nuke:


I plan to switch to the 40's just as soon as I can lay my hands on a set. Looks to me like the ideal tire.

Originally posted by Bones
:eek: :eek: $$$$$ :eek: :eek:

I was thinking the SAME thing..

I used to work for goodyear, and I am still in good contact the regional manager, and district manager. I am not in California as most of you know, but I could possibly help put together a bulk order.

One thing that you guys have to realize is that the tires are going to be back-ordered as soon as they are live. By pre placing a bulk order, we might be able to get around that. It might cost some money in shipping, but I believe it would be worth it.

What do you guys think? PM or email me.

j

Originally posted by redrangie
I used to work for goodyear, and I am still in good contact the regional manager, and district manager. I am not in California as most of you know, but I could possibly help put together a bulk order.

One thing that you guys have to realize is that the tires are going to be back-ordered as soon as they are live. By pre placing a bulk order, we might be able to get around that. It might cost some money in shipping, but I believe it would be worth it.

What do you guys think? PM or email me.

j

Ha, Me too! Cept I know (and used to work for) the Nationwide distribution MANAGER at Acron OH!..

He can hook us up. I do believe. Rob, The call will go out on Monday..... He has weekends off. 4040404040404040404040

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Maybee, Just maybee,,,,, Keep your fingers crossed... You might be first......

Just when i was about to settle for 37's.

I FUCKING WANT THAT SHIT

They are going to be a huge sucsess.

Are they radial?
please say yes

Originally posted by TRD
Just when i was about to settle for 37's.

I FUCKING WANT THAT SHIT

They are going to be a huge sucsess.

Are they radial?
please say yes

Uh, MT/R stands for: Maximum traction radial.

Originally posted by redrangie


Uh, MT/R stands for: Maximum traction radial.

WRONG! It stands for "Maximum Traction/ Reinforced"

:p

Originally posted by Bert


Ha, Me too! Cept I know (and used to work for) the Nationwide distribution MANAGER at Acron OH!..

He can hook us up. I do believe. Rob, The call will go out on Monday..... He has weekends off. 4040404040404040404040

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Maybee, Just maybee,,,,, Keep your fingers crossed... You might be first......


I want in on group buy on either 40"MTR or 39" Krawler, which ever I can get my hands on first.

But why don't Goodyear or BFG just go on up to 40x14.5 why only 13.50?

Originally posted by Lance


WRONG! It stands for "Maximum Traction/ Reinforced"

:p

You got me. I slipped up. Damn crow tastes like shit.

j

Originally posted by Chris Geiger
I just saw the new Goodyear tires today for the first time. It's labled as a 40 X 13.50 X 17.


So you guys are all cool with running 17" rims? What's up with mfg's making big tires that fit 17" rims? I assume that less sidewall flex and more stability is what the mfg's want but they are limiting their market at the same time.

Originally posted by redrangie


Uh, MT/R stands for: Maximum traction radial.


Actually your both wrong its Mud traction and rock! or something

Originally posted by Lance


WRONG! It stands for "Maximum Traction/ Reinforced"



I still like "Mud-Terrain Reject" :flipoff2:

Whats the load rating going to be (c), (d), or (e) ?

Originally posted by marcutah



Actually your both wrong its Mud traction and rock! or something

No your wrong! :flipoff2:

Directly from Goodyear's website "Maximum-Traction Reinforced Sidewall" So what does Goodyear know anyway?

Originally posted by Chris Geiger
Looks to me like the ideal tire.

For what? Sticky rocks, hell yes...I have tried 35" and 37" MT/R's in Oklahoma and Texas rocks (mixed with moisture and dirt) and I just can't seem to make them work.

I am glad to see these though so I can get a second set of tires for my yearly trek to Moab or Farmington.

They will kick MAJOR ass out there.

Actually your both wrong its Mud traction and rock! or something.

:rolleyes: The Webdaddy has it correct. It has been Maximum Traction Reinforced ever since they were introduced and 4x4Wire had one of the first reviews back in 1999: http://www.4x4wire.com/reviews/gymtr99/

Randii

Originally posted by liveaxle



So you guys are all cool with running 17" rims? What's up with mfg's making big tires that fit 17" rims? I assume that less sidewall flex and more stability is what the mfg's want but they are limiting their market at the same time.

When you get into larger sizes like 40's there is not really any change in how far the tire can push up and flatten out. In smaller sizes like 33's sure there is going to be some loss of flex and reduced contact patch. With the larger sizes it's not really an issue at all.

With the testing we have done with our shop rigs on both 15 and 17 wheels there is no difference in traction on the trail. There are several wheel makers gearing up for large runs of 17" wheels. I predict you will be able to purchase high quality alum beadlocked wheels in a 17" size for about the same price as 15" wheels ($249 or so)

15's will be around for many years, but 17's are going to become the standard rock crawling wheel size for the future.

Actually your both wrong its Mud traction and rock! or something

Awwwww....who the fawk cares! They're just big street tires after-all :flipoff2:

They are load range "C" so they should flex good!

2in's more then a 39.5 TSL......HMMM. I like the 13.5 size not to wide and will fit a 10in. rim great. Yeah, the 17in wheel factor sucks for now, but Allied is going to have some cheaper beadlocks in that size really soon. I'll wait on the Krawlers for some comparison. Still not 42's though:flipoff2:

Originally posted by wngrog


For what? Sticky rocks, hell yes...I have tried 35" and 37" MT/R's in Oklahoma and Texas rocks (mixed with moisture and dirt) and I just can't seem to make them work.

I am glad to see these though so I can get a second set of tires for my yearly trek to Moab or Farmington.

They will kick MAJOR ass out there.

I dont know how much air your running. But it's tooo high.

I run Worn out 35 MTR's and last sunday, I climbed right up a slick rock face that was muddy from Badassjeepguy and John going up first. See the post on Wellsville by Badassjeepguy for the pics. The rock was WET, MUDDY, And covered with leaves. Traction was not a problem.
Sure I was denied on that day, But it was because I got hung up on the flexarm mount, as I crested the rock. But 4 tries and I never spun a tire.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chris Geiger
They are load range "C" so they should flex good! [/QUOTE0]

Chris, Do you know someone? Do you have connections?
Maybee if We as the Pirate BBS team approached Goodyear, They would let "US" Test them and have a wrightup for them?

What do you think? Lance???? I am going out on a limb here...
Back me up!?$#@ Ok? (you know I would never use the name of :skull: Pirate without permission... But it might help us to get these for freeeeeeeeee.

Originally posted by Bert
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chris Geiger
They are load range "C" so they should flex good! [/QUOTE0]

Chris, Do you know someone? Do you have connections?
Maybee if We as the Pirate BBS team approached Goodyear, They would let "US" Test them and have a wrightup for them?

What do you think? Lance???? I am going out on a limb here...
Back me up!?$#@ Ok? (you know I would never use the name of :skull: Pirate without permission... But it might help us to get these for freeeeeeeeee.

It's an idea but I think it's going to be hard to get them.

I Want I want I want! :evil:

So who wants to buy a brand new set of 42's and Rock stomper bead locks??? :D

Allied has 17s now and they are a decent price. They are discounting them for competitors and it makes them about the same price as a 15" Allied beadlock. They are a great option for the $$$$ impaired who want 17" beadlocks.

It will sure piss me off if BFG comes out with the 39-40 only one week after Gary from Bfg told me that they werent and I just got another set of tires today. I held off from ordering wheels and tires until I knew (so I thought) what was going to be available.

DAMNIT

Travis

Originally posted by rockcrawl
It will sure piss me off if BFG comes out with the 39-40 only one week after Gary from Bfg told me that they werent and I just got another set of tires today. I held off from ordering wheels and tires until I knew (so I thought) what was going to be available.

DAMNIT

Travis

Trav I think you're going to get pissed :D

What did you end up with?

Bought some 38 SX's. Not really what I wanted but thats the way it goes. Not only that, but I ordered 16.5 trailready beadlocks also. That means if BFG does come out with them I have to sell tires AND beadlocks.

DAMNIT

Travis

BTW Dude Sold the grand

awesome stuff

well if they end up going to market with that size I will wait to upgrade...i doubt toy axles and johnson valley would like that size tire combo so maybe 1 tons are in order :flipoff2:

Originally posted by rockcrawl
That means if BFG does come out with them I have to sell tires AND beadlocks.

DAMNIT

Travis

BTW Dude Sold the grand

I'm in the same boat :( I have Krawlers on the way and need cash for some 17" beadlocks. I heard about the grand, I still think 10K was a steal for whoever bought it :beer:

Originally posted by bigdude


I'm in the same boat :( I have Krawlers on the way and need cash for some 17" beadlocks. I heard about the grand, I still think 10K was a steal for whoever bought it :beer:

I didnt get 10k :(

I got some 16.5 I'll sell ya :D

I'm glad I waited to buy tires for next year. What is the side wall rating any, I must have missed it somewhere.

Why wouldn't they change that MTR, theres no comparison to the BFG. YE HA a 40 with no traction.

Originally posted by smalltimewheeler
Why wouldn't they change that MTR, theres no comparison to the BFG. YE HA a 40 with no traction.

I thought the same thing when I saw the tread looked exactly the same :confused:

Originally posted by smalltimewheeler
Why wouldn't they change that MTR, theres no comparison to the BFG. YE HA a 40 with no traction.
Are you guys referring to the MT/R vs. the BFG Krawler, Mud TA, or both?

IS there a noticeable diffence between the rockcrawling-specific Krawler rubber, and the more street-freidly MT/R compund? (Rocks arent exactly my forte, and I've yet to see a krawler in person)... :confused:

Originally posted by Chris Geiger
15's will be around for many years, but 17's are going to become the standard rock crawling wheel size for the future.

With larger tires taking hold on most all production SUV's and trucks, I have a feeling 17's will soon completely dominate the light truck/SUV market in a few years - and will be as commonplace as 15's are now.

Originally posted by TNToy

Are you guys referring to the MT/R vs. the BFG Krawler, Mud TA, or both?

I'm talking about the fact that it appears from the pics that the lugs are the same pattern, spacing, and size as they were on the previous 37" MTR. I can't see why Goodyear wouldn't change something a little with a 3"+ larger tire. Krawler is spanking ass so why wouldn't Goodyear try something new?

I'm talking about the fact that it appears from the pics that the lugs are the same pattern, spacing, and size as they were on the previous 37" MTR. I can't see why Goodyear wouldn't change something a little with a 3"+ larger tire. Krawler is spanking ass so why wouldn't Goodyear try something new?

I beg to differ, the tread pattern on the GoodYear tires is working very well. Remember it was a GoodYear equipped rig that won the BFG sponsored CalRocs series this year. The rubber used on both tires is very similar with nearly identical durometer readings.

Personally I think the 37's are little small, but the 40's fix that.

Well, this bit o' news sucks :p

http://www.msnbc.com/news/829279.asp?0dm=B19MB&cp1=1

Originally posted by Chris Geiger


I beg to differ, the tread pattern on the GoodYear tires is working very well. Remember it was a GoodYear equipped rig that won the BFG sponsored CalRocs series this year. The rubber used on both tires is very similar with nearly identical durometer readings.

Personally I think the 37's are little small, but the 40's fix that.
The two tires are completely different, have you wheeled the krawler comp tire, unbelievable. The krawler resembles more of swamper with the bigger gaps between lugs and the new version will have sidebiters resembling the mickey claw, BFG is moving foward. You can always improve a tire, the goodyear needs it...The driver won that series not a tire....sorry the team won.

Originally posted by bigdude
I'm talking about the fact that it appears from the pics that the lugs are the same pattern, spacing, and size as they were on the previous 37" MTR. I can't see why Goodyear wouldn't change something a little with a 3"+ larger tire. Krawler is spanking ass so why wouldn't Goodyear try something new? Okay. *THAT* makes sense. You want them to do something like Interco does, where the 44 has the same number of lugs as the 31 - just much larger versions of them.

That *WOULD* be nice - the MT/R might actually have a little bite in the goop.

For some reason I was thinking people were wanting a completely redesigned tread pattern on the fordeez, which would be a BIT much to ask, IMO. ;)

I have bitched to Interco for several years now about a 16" to 17" tires. Even wrote a letter once at the suggestion of a rep I talked to. Now they're behind.

As for the Goodyears... I can hear shafts and joints crying out and hiding right now. "the horror" 5th mortgage... yeah, I could do that. :D

As for the Goodyears... I can hear shafts and joints crying out and hiding right now.

i hear my 60 begging for'em. :D

Well, first you need to just see these in person up close and in action. The east coast and west coast have vastly different terrain. The MTR's work in places like Moab, Cedar City, and Farmington, but they don't work worth a shit over here where I wheel. The BFG Krawlers on the other hand do work here, Shupe ran them on his rig to a EROCC win and was close in every comp here that he didn't win. Mike and Lance ate the competition over on the west coast on a set of Krawlers. So what do you think is the better choice:rolleyes:. Just looking at the Krawlers makes me want a set, a few people here have gotten to test the 37" BFG variety tires for awhile now and most love them. I'm a big TSL & SX guy myself but these tires ROCK! I agree the 60 is wanting some 39/40 Krawlers right now.

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
Well, first you need to just see these in person up close and in action. The east coast and west coast have vastly different terrain. The MTR's work in places like Moab, Cedar City, and Farmington, but they don't work worth a shit over here where I wheel. The BFG Krawlers on the other hand do work here, Shupe ran them on his rig to a EROCC win and was close in every comp here that he didn't win. Mike and Lance ate the competition over on the west coast on a set of Krawlers. So what do you think is the better choice:rolleyes:. Just looking at the Krawlers makes me want a set, a few people here have gotten to test the 37" BFG variety tires for awhile now and most love them. I'm a big TSL & SX guy myself but these tires ROCK! I agree the 60 is wanting some 39/40 Krawlers right now.

What he said....

The 40" MT/R's look like great street tires for my area and KICK ASS rock tires for Katemcy, Moab and Farmington :D

Krawlers, from what I've seen the MTR is no better than a TSL, just skinnier, so maybe works better for lighter rigs with lighter drivetrains. I would swap from the 39.5" TSL to a 39" Krawler, though - those things are WICKED!!!

Shupe ran them on his rig to a EROCC win and was close in every comp here that he didn't win. Mike and Lance ate the competition over on the west coast on a set of Krawlers. So what do you think is the better choice
ya, thats why i buy a tire. cause someone wins a competition with'em.:rolleyes:

How do the Krawlers do in mud and on pavement compared to the MT/R's?

wonder what the price will be? $250-$300? each? I hope they make them in a 16.5 so i can run hummer beadlocks

I wonder if one of the reasons Goodyear and BFG went to a 17" rim was to keep the aspect ratio down with there 37s. If so. the 40s, with the same rim, could be a little wiggly.
All the same I'd like to down size and try a set of 40s. :cool:

Originally posted by John Deere Ranger
wonder what the price will be? $250-$300? each? I hope they make them in a 16.5 so i can run hummer beadlocks

I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.

i won't but we can all dream

Originally posted by FULLSIZE

ya, thats why i buy a tire. cause someone wins a competition with'em.:rolleyes:
Well to each there own, I was just trying to say THEY WORK! :flipoff2: The guys here that have been testing them say they have close to the same performance as boggers. A lot of people run boggers here just because of the mud. I imagine that they are better in rocks then the Boggers but less in the mud. One of the main focuses was on street driving these huge meats. The old 37" MT-km was the favorite:rolleyes: The test was with MT'km's, Krawlers, MTR's, and Boggers all in the 37" class. I think I'd pick the MTR's over the MT's though:(

just givin ya shit:flipoff2: i think if the 40's are out and i can accually get a set before spring i might try'em out to get my own opinion on 'em. :D

Thats a nice lookin tire.. Im just hoping they release it soon, and maybe it will make the price of the 37 come down even more to us! My 35" MTR's are way too small :D
Scott

I know how you feel. The first time I went to Dixie Run I had just put on some 35" BFG MT's, I thought my jeep was big until I rolled into camp and saw everyone else was twice the size my rig was:eek: Going to a big event like that puts things way out of perspective with the majority of the rigs running 38"+ tires, makes you feel kinda small until you go home and every high school kid with a wrangler looks at you like HOLLY SH!T thats jeeps big :D, OOH the old days when 33's were hardcore:rolleyes:

Originally posted by FULLSIZE


i hear my 60 begging for'em. :D
can you hear me beggin for a 60 :flipoff2:

man if its 6 months from you guys its 2 years until we see it :(

lets see some pics!!!

i also remember someone saying tsl would be put into a 39x12.50.i do not have any concerns with pavement manners,and the goodyears would not work in our mud.so a 39x12.50 tsl would be the best size tire for me.has anyone heard that interco will be making this size tsl?

Originally posted by Bill Collins
i also remember someone saying tsl would be put into a 39x12.50.i do not have any concerns with pavement manners,and the goodyears would not work in our mud.so a 39x12.50 tsl would be the best size tire for me.has anyone heard that interco will be making this size tsl?

I'm still holding out for a 40x14.50 Bogger with TSL center tread, and Thornbord side tread :p

Why 39-12.5, just get the 38-12.5 instead. The only thing I hope Interco comes out with are bigger SX's:D 42's & 44's. They need to quit fawkin around with these new mall poser tires and get back to the hardcore crowd, that's what made TSL not Mickey T. wannabe show truck tires. Truxxus SXS SUCK:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
Why 39-12.5, just get the 38-12.5 instead.

38x12.5 are a VERY short 38" tire. If Interco was true to form there 39 would I bet be a godd 2" taller than a 38.

Originally posted by bigdude


38x12.5 are a VERY short 38" tire. If Interco was true to form there 39 would I bet be a godd 2" taller than a 38.

Most people don't realize the 38X12.50 is the same tire Interco used to stamp "37X13" up until the mid 80's. And it's not even a true 37. Mine measured 36.0" on 10" rims.

TEX

Originally posted by TEX


Most people don't realize the 38X12.50 is the same tire Interco used to stamp "37X13" up until the mid 80's. And it's not even a true 37. Mine measured 36.0" on 10" rims.

TEX

At about 5 psi mine measure roughly 35.5" on a 10" rim. But at least it says 38 on the sidewall for when I cruise to the mall :D

Originally posted by bigdude


At about 5 psi mine measure roughly 35.5" on a 10" rim. But at least it says 38 on the sidewall for when I cruise to the mall :D

I always did my measurements horizontally, as that's how we did it to classify for mud. At 5 PSI, the two I bought new in '93 and had ~20 pavement miles would pass through a rigid 36.0" caliper w/o touching. The two I bought new in '97 with zero pavement miles would just barely rub. Measuring from the ground up, they all would have definitely been less than 36".


TEX

Originally posted by TEX


I always did my measurements horizontally, as that's how we did it to classify for mud. At 5 PSI, the two I bought new in '93 and had ~20 pavement miles would pass through a rigid 36.0" caliper w/o touching. The two I bought new in '97 with zero pavement miles would just barely rub. Measuring from the ground up, they all would have definitely been less than 36".


TEX


Since you bring up the horizontal I'll throw this in for reference. At 12 psi I could not have squeezed my 38x12.5 TSLs through a rigid 36" horizontal caliper to save my life. This was with approximately 2000 miles. These were bought new in '02. Guess they changed a little something.

Originally posted by bigdude



Since you bring up the horizontal I'll throw this in for reference. At 12 psi I could not have squeezed my 38x12.5 TSLs through a rigid 36" horizontal caliper to save my life. This was with approximately 2000 miles. These were bought new in '02. Guess they changed a little something.

There's a couple sets of molds, & even from one plant the size variation can be quite a bit. One friend with a set of 42's had one of the 4 that was a full inch shorter than the rest :eek:

BTW, the 16.5" version of the 38X12.50 is WAY taller than the 15" version.

TEX

Originally posted by DRM


I'm still holding out for a 40x14.50 Bogger with TSL center tread, and Thornbord side tread :p

I think you are going to wait a while but that would deffinantly be a sweet east tire

Originally posted by John Deere Ranger


I think you are going to wait a while but that would deffinantly be a sweet east tire

IMHO - with the right rubber compound, it would be a sweet ANYWHERE tire ;)

the main reason i would like a true 39x12.50 is because i need a tire taller than the 38x12.50 and don't need a wide tire on my toy axles.also the narrow tires grip the best down here in our mud...

Originally posted by liveaxle



So you guys are all cool with running 17" rims? What's up with mfg's making big tires that fit 17" rims? I assume that less sidewall flex and more stability is what the mfg's want but they are limiting their market at the same time.


My guess is that they are trying to cash in on the poseur mobiles since many new fullsize trucks now come on 17" wheels.

Originally posted by Paul Gagnon



My guess is that they are trying to cash in on the poseur mobiles since many new fullsize trucks now come on 17" wheels. there ya go! we have a winner:flipoff2: I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE 15" MORE SIDWALL FLEX, IT AIN'T GOING ON A SPORTS CAR:confused:

Originally posted by TEX


There's a couple sets of molds, & even from one plant the size variation can be quite a bit. One friend with a set of 42's had one of the 4 that was a full inch shorter than the rest :eek:

TEX

i believe that! i bought a set of 5 42" tsl's in may and then in july i cut the side wall on one of them. well when i got it replaced it was at least 1" shorter than the origional 5 if not more.

I stole this from 4x44u.com. I'm guessing these are the 40's since they look awfully tall :D

http://www.4x44u.com/SEMA2002/LiveCoverage/Monday/MVC-813F.JPG

Did anyone else notice that the *bling* wheels on Pauley's(sp) buggy has inner beadlocks too:D Too sweet,

I cant wait to see the 39 Krawlers, are they really going to have more sidewall tread blocks?

1 word..."RESIZE":flipoff2:

That picture is just SOOOOOO fawking sweet.....

Originally posted by YJ4RoX
I cant wait to see the 39 Krawlers, are they really going to have more sidewall tread blocks?

i read on one of the post's that they will have "real side tread" more along the lines of what the claws or sx's have.. be better than the small square bumps..
hopefully they increase the tread depth also.. some thing 27/32 or deeper would be great, the deeper the better!

Corse How long would the wait be for the 40-13.50-16.5 tires so i could stuff them on my Hummer rims????

I bet it will be 1-2 years for that tire to come out.

I still wish like hell i could get a 39.5-13.50-16.5 rather than that wide as hell 18.5 Bogger

PS I still like the Combo Super Swamper that has all three styles incorporated.

I don't think Goodyear will ever come out with a 37" or 39" tall MT/R for the 16.5" wheel.

Originally posted by azk5
I don't think Goodyear will ever come out with a 37" or 39" tall MT/R for the 16.5" wheel.

Ditto that for the Krawler IMO. 16.5's need to go the way of the dinosaur - extinction.

TEX

i don't like how the rims look but they do have inner and outer beadlocks

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=991223

Originally posted by SeaBass44
there ya go! we have a winner:flipoff2: I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE 15" MORE SIDWALL FLEX, IT AIN'T GOING ON A SPORTS CAR:confused:

HELL YEAH

Originally posted by DRM


IMHO - with the right rubber compound, it would be a sweet ANYWHERE tire ;)

i like it!!

Originally posted by TEX


Ditto that for the Krawler IMO. 16.5's need to go the way of the dinosaur - extinction.

TEX

Never fear - they are on their way out already, and with these new 17's taking hold their fate is pretty much sealed.

Wonder when Interco will catch up?

Originally posted by TEX
16.5's need to go the way of the dinosaur - extinction.TEX

i would agree except for the fact that i like hummer rims.

I'll second that. Would never even consider thnm except for hummer wheels. Now my rig is all set up around the hummer wheels so I sure hope 16.5s stay.

I doubt they will ever make em in sizes other than 17" (ignorant guess) I am going to stick w/ TSL's for that reason, (probably would anyways). I hope that it isnt to fit all the new:rainbow: poser rigs that they have gone to 17. If the switch can be justified, then:beer: for goodyear and BFG, if not Fawk em.

Originally posted by Klasick68
I hope that it isnt to fit all the new:rainbow: poser rigs that they have gone to 17.

The switch to 17's is WAY bigger than just bling,bling.

Bigger wheels mean better handling for current larger stock SUV and truck tires.
Bigger wheels mean room for 4 wheel disk brakes, and BIGGER brakes to boot.



I say within 10 years buying 16.5" wheels and/or tires will be a special order deal.

I am sure 16.5" tires will continue to be around for some time, but it looks like many of the new tire designs are going to be 17's.

Originally posted by Chris Geiger
I am sure 16.5" tires will continue to be around for some time, but it looks like many of the new tire designs are going to be 17's.

Yeah, they will linger just because there are so many trucks are still running them - it is doubtful they will ever actually *stop* making tires and wheels in that size, but these new sizes just make them obsolete really.

Like I said - it will be interesting to see how long it takes a company like Interco - who is known for reluctance to change - will catch on and start offering their tires in these new rim sizes (such as the 17).

Just get a set of newer Hummer wheels. They've converted to 17" also.

16.5's were a bad deal from the outset...too many people trying to mount 16.5 tires on 16 rims and no bead safety hump to keep the 16.5 from falling off the rim at low pressures sans beadlocks.

Holy shit those are some badass tires...

Originally posted by DRM


Yeah, they will linger just because there are so many trucks are still running them - it is doubtful they will ever actually *stop* making tires and wheels in that size, but these new sizes just make them obsolete really.

Like I said - it will be interesting to see how long it takes a company like Interco - who is known for reluctance to change - will catch on and start offering their tires in these new rim sizes (such as the 17).

for some reason i thought the ssr tires had a 17 rim option.... i dunno :confused:


when 35's were an awsome size did the 15 inch rim offer enough sidewall flex? so with a 40 inch tall tire a seventeen would be sweet....... more controll tires not folding under on offcamber..... 17's arent bling..... there intelligent! (not directed to you drm)

Originally posted by badassjeepguy
17's arent bling..... there intelligent! (not directed to you drm)

No offense taken here -I already admitted they are the way of the future - and with good reason.

talking sidewall/rim ratio with 40" and larger tires there is still GREAT sidewall flex with larger rims, and increased low pressure stabiliy as well (side loads).

And considering we are really in the infant stages of "playing" with new tires and rims for our sport in general - I would not be surprised if some other sizes like 18"s or ??? are tried before a "standard" is settled on.

I have not taken the time to read all of this but here are my thoughts on the new tire after seeing it at SEMA. DAAAMMMNNNNNN................. That about sums it up

Contrary to the response that Chris Geiger gave I think the MFG.'s will make these in a load range (D) and (E) if you remember this thread LINK (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68278&highlight=load+range+E) you can see how well those performed.
Granted I’m a FAWKIN newbie and a nobody, with that said I was calling M.T. about the 37”X17” Baja Claws and talking to Scott Ward with Procomp about the 37”x17”ss X-Terrains over the last year or so and got varying info on why it’s taking so long to release these sizes and it came down to the DOT is very resistant to have a 37”X17” in a load rating (C) so if the MFG.’ss are saying they will have a 40”X17” tire in a load rating C, I would be very surprised if it is sold not specifying off road use only on the sidewall.
And being my rig isn’t a trailer queen and I still have to drive it to and from the trail that potentially would suck for guys like me.

Personaly I like a smaller wheel. I have a set of Hummer wheels on the way. The only thing I like about a bigger wheel is the bigger brakes. But how dam big of brakes do ya want. I agree with if it ain't broke don't fix it. Saying that 17's are the way of the future. Why stop there? Why not 18's, 19's, or 20's. I like sidewall flex. I am not worried how it corners on the street.

Originally posted by SittonHigh
Personaly I like a smaller wheel. I have a set of Hummer wheels on the way. The only thing I like about a bigger wheel is the bigger brakes. But how dam big of brakes do ya want. I agree with if it ain't broke don't fix it. Saying that 17's are the way of the future. Why stop there? Why not 18's, 19's, or 20's. I like sidewall flex. I am not worried how it corners on the street.

my rig isnt even driven on the street! but a larger rim for the larger tires give you nice control on the rocks too..... still plenty of flex but not too much that would allow the tire to fold under on offcamber............. its common sense :rolleyes:

Originally posted by redrangie
I used to work for goodyear, and I am still in good contact the regional manager, and district manager. I am not in California as most of you know, but I could possibly help put together a bulk order.

One thing that you guys have to realize is that the tires are going to be back-ordered as soon as they are live. By pre placing a bulk order, we might be able to get around that. It might cost some money in shipping, but I believe it would be worth it.

What do you guys think? PM or email me.

j

So what is the status on group buy?

Originally posted by Bert


Ha, Me too! Cept I know (and used to work for) the Nationwide distribution MANAGER at Acron OH!..

He can hook us up. I do believe. Rob, The call will go out on Monday..... He has weekends off. 4040404040404040404040

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Maybee, Just maybee,,,,, Keep your fingers crossed... You might be first......

What did you find out?

BFG, where you at?

Does anyone have some real world measurements of the new 40"?
Thanks,
Travis

Originally posted by 1990JeepXJ
Does anyone have some real world measurements of the new 40"?
Thanks,
Travis

39.5" mounted on 10" wheels

That's inflated with no weight on it, right? What''s the width?
Thanks,
Travis

Ok first off what ever happened to the 38.5 mickey t's- they are bigger than the 39.5 swampers and are made specialy for rockcrawling. Next, why not make your own special competittion/high performance tire- now and days you can groove them anyway you like for maximum traction, don't forget about old fasion siping because say if you have on lug siped which is almost 10 little slits in the tire (how 'bout that for biting edges!) and has anyone noticed racers do?- they have special a special chemical available to the public called hot laps which softens the tire very very much. I mean look at what BFG did- they took a tractor tire/blank and started cutting it and playin with compound which can be easily done in the real world also.

Oh, and I forgot to mention one more thing- what about the way you drive the tires? I mean some compounds and tread patterns work better in different conditions like rock, mud, sand, etc. but what about how the tire works under full throttle, crawling, half throttle, etc.. Every condition is different and every driver and vehicle is different so I suggest that we cannot compare much about tires unless we have the same driver on the same rig using the different tires under the same exact conditions, then we can really find out which one works the best but untill then, there are just too many variables in our sport to have anything set in stone.

Chris, any idea on price?

Originally posted by Wilson
Chris, any idea on price?

Yep, inquiring minds wanna know!:D

I just mounted two of these tires up tonight at jasons shop and the sidewalls are mush. At the last event he ripped a side wall out on a rock that he said wouldn't of even touched a swamper. On the price subject when the 37's came out there were around $435 for awile. We think they might be around $600-$700 or more a piece for the 40's who knows?

Bringin' this back so I don't have to start another. Who has a price on these?
Travis

I went to my local Gemini Goodyear place to get a quote on a set of 37x12.5 MT/R's and the guy told me that he's already placed two separate orders for the 40x13.5R17's for clients, with expected delivery at the end of February (this is what HE said, take it with a grain of salt) and the list price for them....*are you sitting down?*...was $589 EACH. Basically, unless you're sponsored or *have to have them* for competition, might as well wait to see what happens, the price might come down when they reach wide-scale production, just like the 37's did.

FWIW, he quoted me $215 each for the MT/R's, that's mounted, balanced and with road hazard. Not bad, but I think I can do better...

I wouldn't jump on the 40" MTR bandwagon too soon, Paulie's cut two sidewalls already...really, how many 37's do guys cut in competition and Jason's already cut 2? That throws up a RedFlag toward the GoodYear 40's real fast.

Redbulljeep, do you think this has to do with the compound or the actual design? I'm curious, my fawked logic tells me that a 40" tire should have a thicker sidewall than a 37" tire, but that's not necessarily true...

I'm not an expert but logic tells me that it's the thickness of the sidewall. Tracy Jordan took one of paulies tires and shook it side to side and the rim moved in and out farther than Lance's Taco Gut...that told me they really missed the mark when it comes to sidewall, but look at reality from the marketing side...Jason Paulie offered them a chance to show this tire at SEMA...with a deadline, they probably did not take the time to do the proper development and what they came up with is probably in their eyes, bad, but in the world of marketing deadlines (like SEMA), was a good choice. Hopefully, they will take this time (before releasing a production model) to refine their work...
how else are we gonna run that 40" GoodYear spec tire in RCAA next season?
:D :D :D

Originally posted by RedBullJeep
I wouldn't jump on the 40" MTR bandwagon too soon, Paulie's cut two sidewalls already...really, how many 37's do guys cut in competition and Jason's already cut 2? That throws up a RedFlag toward the GoodYear 40's real fast.



maybe he should run some Michelin XML's with 26 ply sidewalls instead.. :D

anyone get any price quotes on these things yet? i got a quote of around $350 ea. and cant get them until spring.;)

barry from 4 wheelers here in az was running a set during the cal rocks a couple weeks ago(he wasnt competing) we ran a pretty tame trail and later on that night he had a flat. we looked aruond and found a 1/4 " gash about 3/4 to the top of the tire...that changed my mind about the tires

Are the 37" MTR's fairy true in their mesurement?

How tall are they?

TB

Just looked at one next to a 36 SX yesterday. Did not measure the MTR directly, but we did measure the SX at 35-35.25". The 37 MTR was about 3/4" taller.
Travis

anyone get any price quotes on these things yet? i got a quote of around $350 ea. and cant get them until spring

There is a set at a local shop. The counter guy was on the phone with a customer confirming his purchase at a little over $1400. So your $350 is pretty much spot on.

Had to laugh when the guy was off the phone. Pointed at my 37's on my Bronco and said 160 each. Can't justify that price difference.

I was in Skinny's group and not two far from Shannon at St.George. The 40's seem to be really floppy. Skinny would turn the wheel but the tire would stay. A couple of times the tread looked like it was an inch or two inside the wheel. Anyone heard anything new on the 39 BFG'S. I know Tracy has them but is bfg selling them through the racer program yet?

Two weeks ago I spotted Jon in "Tiny" running the new 39.5 BFG's and they did great! We took first place too!

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http://www.allprooffroad.com/events/2003crcamarch/index.html