Well I picked up a 10'x4' 1/4" plate steel for $100.00
drewup an autocad dxf file for the waterjet of the exact dimensions.
I dropped it at the shop and Im going in on monday to drop the plate on the waterbed and start cuting Ill post some pics when Im done. Thanx to BillVista for a few tips.

let me know how they work out going to have mine cut out next week... think I'm going to go with the large mudring style and maybe get fancy with some speed holes...

Sure will I wanted to have ROCKRAT blown through the sides for that personel look but that takes some software we havent got for the machine in yet so Ill just settle for the rings.

One other thing I figured since I was going through all the work I would take the 15x8 4" B.S and cut out the centers and put 1-1/2 B.S on them at the same time. what do you have to loose on $10. a wheel Custom B.S and Bead locks for less then $200.00

Mark myself down for some need to know how it works out information.I would love to have a set of beadlocks without paying what they want for them.

Originally posted by Pook
let me know how they work out going to have mine cut out next week... think I'm going to go with the large mudring style and maybe get fancy with some speed holes...

What would be "large mudding style"?!?!? Is that those really wide outer beadlock rings that I´ve seen pics of somewhere?!?!? If so, then, I must be missing something.......:confused:

I run almost exclisively in deep mud and I´m making my own beadlocks with rings as narrow as I can. I would think that a wider ring would only serve to accumulate MORE mud........

Originally posted by billj


What would be "large mudding style"?!?!? Is that those really wide outer beadlock rings that I´ve seen pics of somewhere?!?!? If so, then, I must be missing something.......:confused:

I run almost exclisively in deep mud and I´m making my own beadlocks with rings as narrow as I can. I would think that a wider ring would only serve to accumulate MORE mud........


I wondered about that too, when first seeing/hearing about them and discovered you are supposed to put in some kinda foam insert plug thingy-the smaller diameter of the beadlock opening makes it easier to hold the plug.....I guess *shrug*

BUT aiee karumba 1/4" plate steel yikes! is that what bead locks are made out of? I made my belly pan armour out of 3/8" plate and was cringing over the thought about h/p eating unsprung weight, let alone sprung as in this case!

plus I don't get the "fancy speed holes" in the mud ring, if the whole point of the ("mud style") things is to keep mud out :confused:

*not that i'm dissing your guys' beadlock stuff Pook and RockRat:D i just don't get it i'm afraid.

Did you have these priced as laser cut items? For that thickness, laser cutting is, in my experience, generally cheaper than water jet, .02.:D

Originally posted by UZI 9mm



I wondered about that too, when first seeing/hearing about them and discovered you are supposed to put in some kinda foam insert plug thingy-the smaller diameter of the beadlock opening makes it easier to hold the plug.....I guess *shrug*

BUT aiee karumba 1/4" plate steel yikes! is that what bead locks are made out of? I made my belly pan armour out of 3/8" plate and was cringing over the thought about h/p eating unsprung weight, let alone sprung as in this case!

plus I don't get the "fancy speed holes" in the mud ring, if the whole point of the ("mud style") things is to keep mud out :confused:

*not that i'm dissing your guys' beadlock stuff Pook and RockRat:D i just don't get it i'm afraid.

I don't really weant em for the mud....just to protect my hubs and to stop rocks and logs from jamming in there...speed holes are to lighten them up abit. toying with the idea of studding them up a bit so they'll climb side ways up logs and rocks when i'm all wedged up... unsprung weight is a good thing will stop me from flipping over...
also the wider ring will stop them from warping in when tightening the bolts

Originally posted by Pook


-I don't really weant em for the mud....just to protect my hubs and to stop rocks and logs from jamming in there...speed holes are to lighten them up abit.


-also the wider ring will stop them from warping in when tightening the bolts



:idea: Ahhh, I gotcha. I don't know much about anything, and even less about variants of beadlocks:D

Most of the rings that I have found in the DIY style have been either 3/16" or 1/4" I chose the 1/4" the rings are aprox. 2-3/16"
wide 16-5/16 diameter 32 hole I decided not go with the mud ring style which are generally 4" that way the foam insert can be put in. Just preference. as far as coast I dont look to far for that, the water jets in the family per say I just go in when the boss is on Vacation. And use what ever I need to, doesnt happen often but when it does I take advantage of the situation. go to rockstomper.com youll see theres are made of 1/4" also. As far as weight shit I pulled the sami axles out and putting the Toys in I dont think 2 1/4" rings added per wheel really make much more Difference you know what I mean Ill be finished thid week with the rings Ill post pics of them when Im done.

PICS???

There comin :D

Pics as promised got all 10 rings done this afternoon now I just have to finish cleaning up the wheels and get my centers welded to the offset I want.
http://4play4wheelers.com/locktire1_IMG.jpg
http://4play4wheelers.com/lockon_wheel_IMG.jpg
http://4play4wheelers.com/openwheeloffset_IMG.jpg

nice work... get nice clean welds. u dont want them to leak air.

welding wont be a problem its getting the time to do it if my wifes honey doo list gets any larger im going to just shoot myself:mad:

How are you modifying the wheel itself to accept the beadlock ring?I know you are doing the off set, but I am curious about the bolt locking part.

what kinda tires are those?

Each wheel has an identical ring the inner ring is welded to the outer edge of the wheel then the bead sits on it and the other ring sandwhiches the bead in between bolts and nylocks can be used to secure them together. Also as a side note the only reason I went ahead and built these rather than purchace from Rockstomper was that I had the equipment to do it for most people the cost would hinder them from just purchacing them.

Originally posted by nozuk
what kinda tires are those?

33x12.5x15 THORNBIRDS:D

Originally posted by Rockrat
[B]Each wheel has an identical ring the inner ring is welded to the outer edge of the wheel then the bead sits on it and the other ring sandwhiches the bead in between this will help

Thank you that helps a bunch.So I need 8 rings and alot of bolts to make a set.My wheels are already 2" offset so I have that covered. I just wanted to learn how to make beadlocks for my ride and you have just learned me how.:)http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/918577-fab2.JPG

10 if you want the spare I figured I had the steel what the Hell. Ill p/m you some stuff in a minute

Heres the play toy that made my autocad drawing reality
50,000 PSI water jet
http://4play4wheelers.com/Picture_008.jpg
http://4play4wheelers.com/Picture_009.jpg
http://4play4wheelers.com/Picture_011.jpg
http://4play4wheelers.com/Picture_012.jpg

CAD??? H20 Jets???? No no no, that is all wrong. You have to use a cordless drill and a jig saw! :flipoff2:

No really, that is sweet!

Jim

Originally posted by Shrock
CAD??? H20 Jets???? No no no, that is all wrong. You have to use a cordless drill and a jig saw! :flipoff2:

No really, that is sweet!

Jim

My first attempt at these was with a metal file,Ace hardware steel punch, and a large rock I also subtituted the welds with crazy glue but they just wouldnt hold air. and at 70 mph they looked like giant frizbies flying off as i flew into the ditch out of control..
thanx:D

Originally posted by Rockrat


My first attempt at these was with a metal file,Ace hardware steel punch, and a large rock I also subtituted the welds with crazy glue but they just wouldnt hold air. and at 70 mph they looked like giant frizbies flying off as i flew into the ditch out of control..
thanx:D

Okay, it is obvious that you are lying! I was with ya till that last part. Geesh, everybody knows a Samurai can't do 70 mph! :flipoff2:

Just kidding, man. Looks great! ~Steve

hmmm water jet don't hear to much about them up here....just plasma's and laser's can you get me some info on the machine looking into getting a cnc hi def plasma (less $$ to to go thick material with) or a laser...but i'd like to learn more about this option.

its more then your expecting 6 fiure range

I would like to see a detail shot of the rim modification, where the tire bead will sit.

Is the tire install like this???:

1 rim on machine
2 push bead A over outer (frontside) rim bead
3 flip wheel over on machine
4 using the machine wedge pull tire bead A over the inner (backside) rim bead
5 remove from machine
6 install bead lock rings

Now where are the nuts located, and how do you hold them inplace when torqueing all those bolts?
Are they tacked?

oh...duh..

you don't lock the inner (truck side) bead...do you?

and, it looks like you can get to the nuts just by reaching into the face of the wheel and holding it to the back-side of the inner ring!!??

The actual O.D of the ring is exactly tha same as the rim so you can mount traditional you just dont put the front bead behind it sits on the face centered by the bolt ring per say then just bolt the outer ring down to 15-20 ft #'s

yea...it's all clear to me now!!!

That had better be a real nice weld all the way around there?!

Will these be street driven ever??

Occasionally to the gas station but it is a glorified Trailer queen
and as far the welds go I dont have any problem running a welder

So I'm guessing "Garage built" is a fairly loose term these days cause I don't know anyone who has that kind of machinery in their garage! Can I come stay at your house, I'll sleep in the "garage"!
:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Rockrat
its more then your expecting 6 fiure range
yep found out all about it today...you guys do areospace stuff?

Originally posted by ECF
So I'm guessing "Garage built" is a fairly loose term these days cause I don't know anyone who has that kind of machinery in their garage! Can I come stay at your house, I'll sleep in the "garage"!
:flipoff2:

Sure no prob theres heat elec, cable, and telephone oh ya fridge and water. You bring your own cott.:D

So...

I have a CAD setup & access to a laser / water jet too.

I have some (newer) 33x12.5's SS TSL radials...

Do you think it's possible to do what you did to a set of (rock crawler steelies from 4 wheel parts) 10 x 15" wheels That I have?

Are the radials a bad tire to be running at 1-4 lbs?

Or / and should I run a wider tire to compensate for the wider bead thing?

Do you feel you could have used thinner steel stock?

Originally posted by slider
So...

I have a CAD setup & access to a laser / water jet too.

I have some (newer) 33x12.5's SS TSL radials...

Do you think it's possible to do what you did to a set of (rock crawler steelies from 4 wheel parts) 10 x 15" wheels That I have?

Are the radials a bad tire to be running at 1-4 lbs?

Or / and should I run a wider tire to compensate for the wider bead thing?

Do you feel you could have used thinner steel stock?

Yes I would assume it can be done with those wheels remember you'll be adding an xtra 1-1/2 To 2"so a 15x10 now is a 15x12
thats Why I chose to start with 15x8/

Radials I would think not be a good choice to run that low due too the posability of seperating the chords.

I would run 12.5 on a smaller wheel or have your whell outer lip machined down. I think I would look for a smaller rim but then hell look what Im doing now so who am I to judge.

Yes I have read that guys have made these out of 3/16" but too tell ya the truth 1/4" rings dont have any wait to them, not like you would think.

Well here is one reofset to 2"B.S and the inner lock welded on
http://www.ecoyne.com/phpbb2/download.php?id=11

Also forgot to mention paint remover Sucks even when your pressure washing it off

Just 1 question for you, wouldn't you want the tire to be locked to the side of the wheel that has the shorter lip? I would think the longer lip of the rim would hold the tire better then the shorter side, but I havent really looked at bead locks, so I dont know? :confused:

Good ? but I guess you have a trade off when you want an offset wheel. The shorter will be in on the frame side from what I have read and personel experience, even with My last set of 2 B/S wheels I always popped the outer Bead. so we will see

Rockrat, Are you using Nutserts? If so whats your source/supplier?

I am the CNC and CAD guy here at work. We have a plasma and water table, i have been kciking around doing the same thing with getting some custom cut locks. Are you worried about coning them when bolting the outer ring on?

No nutserts I am using Nylocks, as far as coning goes Its inevitable unless you make some really wide rings like a mudring
I really dont care about it personally. Its a trail only rig and I am willing to check them on a regular basis as they should be. As far as doing them yourself Im all for it if the equipement is available to you.

I have a bud that has a water jet in the machine shop he owns. I am no computer brain so I was wondering how universal this auto cad program is. How likely is it that I could get a copy of your program in order to save my bud some set up time? If it could be used in such a way, would you be willing to share your work? Thanks

if you put a fan belt on the inside lip of the locks it will keep it from coning and keep mud and dirt out from the bolts. on my rims i used a b 36 industrial v belt. it worked like a champ and made torqueing them down much faster. mike

Originally posted by wanabecruisen
I have a bud that has a water jet in the machine shop he owns. I am no computer brain so I was wondering how universal this auto cad program is. How likely is it that I could get a copy of your program in order to save my bud some set up time? If it could be used in such a way, would you be willing to share your work? Thanks

As long as the machine runs on a dxf file it shouldnt be a problem
and ya let me know I can get ya a copy for $50,000 just kidding I'l get ya one

Could I also get a copy of the dxf file? Please email it to me at madmarx@comcast.net. I don't have access to a laser or water jet, but I do have a copy of Autocad I play with ...

So how much to make me a set for 20 inch wheels with 40 holes?
:D

Thanks Rockrat. I'll check with my bud to see if it will run a dxf file ( it's gona impress him that I even got the d the x and the f in the right order) and get back to you. Thanks again. - D

Originally posted by UZI 9mm

I made my belly pan armour out of 3/8" plate and was cringing over the thought about h/p eating unsprung weight, let alone sprung as in this case!

:rolleyes: unless you are carrying those beadlocks in the bed of your rig they are unsprung, and I would love to see a belly pan that was unsprung:eek: :eek: did you weld it to the axle??:shaking: