I have a Ford D-60 high pinion, that I just bought a Detroit locker for it. So I went to put it in today, and it will not go in at all. With shims, without shims, there is no way it will go in. One side will go all the way down, but the other wont. And then, when it turns, it lifts the detroit out of the 60 pumpkin. We have checked to see if the Detroit is hitting the pinion, but it is not. It just wont go in on the long tube side. What was in it before the detroit, was a Lock Rite. Any help would be greatly appreicated.

a picture is worth a thousand words.

;)

Try the big fawking deadblow hammer yet? :D

Sounds like its not the right part, or out of spec...???

MJ

May sound like a dumb question, but are you sure that the bearings are pressed all the way on, and that they are the right bearings??

Brian--

With no shims and properly installed bearings it should drop in, no deadblow needed... now a properly set detroit (with shims) should and will require a deadblow to get it in there.

They are the right bearings and all. That is what we thought also, with no shims it should fall right into place. But, it doesnt. I will go get some pics of it.

I have heard of some people using a case spreader to get the carrier in there, could this be your problem?

Are you 110% sure it is the correct carrier???????????????

You're using the Detroit for 4.56 and numerically higher, right? It won't go into a high pinion housing. You have to use the 4.10 and numerically lower Detroit.

Recently had this problem with an ARB.

I got a Detroit for a High Pinion 60, and I told the guy it had 4:56 gears over the phone. I thought that because it is high pinion the gear ratio does not matter? Because I had a 3:55 open carrier, when I ordered the 4:56 it bolted right on. But, now I dont know if it is the right Detroit, because it wont go in there! Let me go get somepics now and put them on here...

OK, here is a pic. That is as far as it will go down on the ring gear side. The other side will set all the way down. Even with shims it is the same....


http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/aa67ba02/bc/Eska+Creek/Im000281.jpg?bcaP_69A87re50S0

Originally posted by 'tswaylo
You're using the Detroit for 4.56 and numerically higher, right? It won't go into a high pinion housing. You have to use the 4.10 and numerically lower Detroit.

Recently had this problem with an ARB.

sounds like u got the wrong detroit for a hp diff... kinda obvious, especially if u didn't tell the guy on the phone it was a hp 60..

Might be a stupid question, but did you try to put it in straight. if one side is in all the way, and the other will only go in partially, you need to drop both sides in at the same time.


Did that make sense? Sounds good in my head :p

Originally posted by Alaskan Assassin
I got a Detroit for a High Pinion 60, and I told the guy it had 4:56 gears over the phone. I thought that because it is high pinion the gear ratio does not matter? Because I had a 3:55 open carrier, when I ordered the 4:56 it bolted right on.

I have told quite a few people lots of things over the phone and still gotten the wrong parts. Sorry to say I think you got the wrong one :( Looks like it from the pic anyway.

*edit* if it fits the center section without the ring gear bolted up, but then won't fit with the ring gear attached, I believe you got the wrong detroit for the HP60

Originally posted by spencurai
I have heard of some people using a case spreader to get the carrier in there, could this be your problem?

It is a specialty tool that is designed to aid in removing the carrier and reinstalling it, but it is not needed. Pry bars and a bf deadblow do the trick just fine.

It's sounding more like the wrong carrier design.

Originally posted by bigdude


I have told quite a few people lots of things over the phone and still gotten the wrong parts. Sorry to say I think you got the wrong one :( Looks like it from the pic anyway.

*edit* if it fits the center section without the ring gear bolted up, but then won't fit with the ring gear attached, I believe you got the wrong detroit for the HP60

Yah, now I am leaning that way. I dont know what the could hane sent me though. I asked for the HP one, and got charged 30 bucks extra for it:mad: But, like you said, I also have gotten the wrong parts before. And being in Alaska, it sucks cause they make me pay for shipping there and then back. Which the can only go 2 day. Well, I guess I will run out there and take one more look at it. But, I still done know what they could have sent me. Maybe when I told him it had 4:56 he sent me one for a standard 60 with 4:56. Would my 4:56 HP ring gear bolt up to a 4:56 standard carrier? I did mic it from the outer part to the outer part and it is the same as my open carrier. I am sure that doesnt mean anything though.

Originally posted by Alaskan Assassin
I did mic it from the outer part to the outer part and it is the same as my open carrier. I am sure that doesnt mean anything though.

That tells me you got a Detroit to fit a 60 center section, but where the ring gear bolts on is shifted to far to the drivers side of the Ford axle. Thus when you try to put it in it's pushing the carrier toward the passenger side and it won't fit. It would seem to me that a 4.56 carrier would cause this. The low gear carrier would have the ring gear portion shifted over further to what in your case is the drivers side, this would account for the skinnier ring gear of the deeper gearset. The high gear carrier (like the one you previously had) is what is needed for the HP60s and it accepts the deeper HP gears (so you could bolt up 4.56s like you already did). Does anyone get what I'm saying or is it all crap :D?

Shipping sucks.


Another way to tell would be to mic the offset of where the ring gear mounts on your open high ratio carrier vs. your Detroit and look for a difference.

Try measuring from the end (where the bearings would locate, or some other reference point) and the ring gear mounting surface, and compare it to your old carrier. If different, they sent you the wrong one.

Pete

Originally posted by bigdude


That tells me you got a Detroit to fit a 60 center section, but where the ring gear bolts on is shifted to far to the drivers side of the Ford axle. Thus when you try to put it in it's pushing the carrier toward the passenger side and it won't fit. It would seem to me that a 4.56 carrier would cause this. The low gear carrier would have the ring gear portion shifted over further to what in your case is the drivers side, this would account for the skinnier ring gear of the deeper gearset. The high gear carrier (like the one you previously had) is what is needed for the HP60s and it accepts the deeper HP gears (so you could bolt up 4.56s like you already did). Does anyone get what I'm saying or is it all crap :D?

Shipping sucks.


Another way to tell would be to mic the offset of where the ring gear mounts on your open high ratio carrier vs. your Detroit and look for a difference.


I see what you are saying now. That because I got the 4:56 carrier, it is made to accept the skinnier ring gear. There for my thick on on there is to much. And that is why I cant get the ring gear side to go down. There for I am screwed:D As in paying to ship that big turd back down there and get the right one. So what do I exchange it for? One for my application? Which is a HP 4:56 ring gear? Or one for something like 4:10? But, first I will go mic the off-set like you said.

Originally posted by pcorssmit
Try measuring from the end (where the bearings would locate, or some other reference point) and the ring gear mounting surface, and compare it to your old carrier. If different, they sent you the wrong one.

Pete

Beat you by 3 minutes :flipoff2: :D

I could've had it done faster, but it would've look like one of chief yelling alot's posts. :D

Pete

Ok, I just got done looking at the reciept, and micing it. And they sent me a Detroit locker for a Regular d-60. First thing is the where the Ring Gear bolts, is a lot thicker. Second, on the reciept it says D-60 detroit 4:56 and up. Nothing about it being High Pinion related. So, thanks for the replys, and the help. And I guess I will be sending this thing back Monday and getting the right one on it's way.

Frank

Now to convince them YOU ASKED for the RIGHT part and THEY SENT the WRONG part so that, hopefully, they'll cover the shipping.

Sounds to me like you have "thick" gears (that you were able to run on the oem ((3.54)) carrier with your lockjunk, and therefore need a 4.1 and down carrier.) If you had standard not "thick" gears you would then need the 4.56 and up carrier, providing the correct ring gear offset. And the diffs (detroit, arb whatever) are the same for hi pinion and low pinion assuming same ratio. There is NO difference if the diff used goes into a hi or lo pinion housing. Carrier breaks and thick and thin gears will cause problems though. As you found out.

What Aggro said is 100%......the reverse rotation axles use the same exact carriers as the standard rotation. And it looks like you have the wrong carrier to me as well.

NoRM

Originally posted by Alaskan Assassin
Ok, I just got done looking at the reciept, and micing it. And they sent me a Detroit locker for a Regular d-60. First thing is the where the Ring Gear bolts, is a lot thicker. Second, on the reciept it says D-60 detroit 4:56 and up. Nothing about it being High Pinion related. So, thanks for the replys, and the help. And I guess I will be sending this thing back Monday and getting the right one on it's way.

Frank


All high pinion d60 use the standard rotation d60 carrier for 3.33-4.10 gears regardless of what gear you are using. There is no such thing as a "high pinion only" carrier.

Originally posted by P|n-BaLL
What Aggro said is 100%......the reverse rotation axles use the same exact carriers as the standard rotation. And it looks like you have the wrong carrier to me as well.

NoRM

DITTO. I can confirm this I just went through THE EXACT SAME THING although not with a detroit. I bought a set of gears. They are the thick set of gears, 4.56, but made for a 4.10 carrier. I didn't know this, and tried to put them in my hp60 on a 4.56 carrier, no luck, no way no how, we tried shimming it every way to sunday. Just by fluke I decided to compare the thickness of the ring gears, discovered it was way thicker than the 4.56 normal rotation gears I had, figured it out. Had a 4.10 carrier, bolted it on, put normal shim packs in, bolted up close to perfect the first time.

Did some research, you can get the thick gears all the way to 5.13 or something like that.

I had researched before and EVERYONE I talked to said there it NO difference between hp and normal rotation detroits. But you DO still have to get the right carrier for your situation.

I was lucky, I was doing all this with open carriers (which I welded), so now when I order my locker I'll know which one to order. Hopefully in your situation whoever you bought the locker from will be good about it and do an exchange for you.

The symptoms I had when I had it on the wrong carrier were EXACTLY as you describe them - no matter what you do, you cannot get one side to seat properly under the cap - for obvious reasons, once you know what is going on. At one point I had NO shims under the pinion, no shims under the bearing opposite the pinion, and massive shims under the pinion side bearing, and it still did not even come close to bolting down. Then I figured out what was going on and it was like "DUH!!!"...... but then I do that a lot when I'm working on my chit.

HTH.

Regards,

Chad