well here goes another KOH prep thread for me. i will be racing the same FTOY #10 again! this makes 5 in a row.

i am the only one of the OG13 that is still racing the same buggy that they raced in the orginal race.

so every year it gets faster with more and more improvements and upgrades.

here is the list of things to be done:

cary at gotpropane.com is installing a turbo for the 22r on propane and tuning up the motor.

mike at hendrix motorsports is going to freshin up the chassis with some straight tube. not one tube on my ftoy chassis has been replaced since 2003! its been in about 20 comps and 4 KOH races and wheeled at the hammers for 7 years. its been quite a chassis that has held up great.

once we get a straight chassis, the ftoy is headed to Desert Valley Towing where i am going to work with HT to do some fab work. we are going to install bump stops from FOA and some other little stuff. It will be re wired from scratch as well and we are fabbing up a new dash to make the wires and fuses easily accesible for quick trail side fixes.

Then Hi Desert Driveline will go thru my drivelines and make sure they are all up to snuff.

thank you Desert Valley Towing for a return sponsorship. GotPropane.com - FOA - HI Desert Driveline - Edelbrock

Goooooooooo.....HOBIE!:D

So your still staying true to the F-toys and keeping it on leafs?

So your still staying true to the F-toys and keeping it on leafs?

but of course! :D at least just to spite everyone in the race :laughing:

this thread needs pics:


here is 2007. the OG-13 running of the race. that year over 50 people said they would show up. but only a few turned up. dave had even talked about doing it the year before but it took some time to get everything together. mustard dog was my co pilot for that inaugural event. i got off work at 2am and drove out to the hammers and got there by 5am. woke up an hour later and started the race. mustard dog and i didnt even make it to the first trail which was outerlimits before we got lost :laughing: at one point we got out and stood on the roof of the ftoy to see what we could see :laughing: i don't konw if there are records but i ended up about 7th position after playing recovery and winch anchor point for everyone the entire race, lol.

this is from 2008. memphis john was competiting with my ftoy on the east coast werock series. he drove it out for the race. here we are on wrecking ball. this race like the preivous, started slow for us before we caught everyone. we were so far behind that everyone thought we were out of the race. our shock mounts broke at mile 1! we lost a driveline at checkpoint 1! and then it was about 5 hours later when i caught john james on the very last rock trail which was big johnson :D ended up 13th place

here's 2009! another finish! 3 in a row at this point. 20th finishing position:)

here is 2010! i had the most mechanical trouble this year. from shifters falling of the tcase to the alternator going out. we finished in the dark and it was a blast! 28th position

This is all wrong:shaking:

You shouldn't be starting this thread till at least mid Jan:flipoff2:

This is all wrong:shaking:

You shouldn't be starting this thread till at least mid Jan:flipoff2:

hahaha:D true. since i gave us a walk thru KOH history as far placement, here's my prep time for those events.

2007 - i tightend up the ubolts the and steering arms the night before
2008 - i didnt do a thing. memphis john did the prep work
2009 - i took 3 weeks off work right before the race. tore the entire thing down and rebuilt it
2010 - i worked on it thru christmas at john jame's house. then i didn't see it again until the week before the race where i finished up setting up the suspension. :laughing:

this will be the first year that we will be using a real GPS and not a pocket one like last year. all the other years, i didnt use a GPS at all. in 2008, i showed up at 6am (just got off work) someone handed me a paper map. i looked at it for 30 seconds and handed it back and jumped in and took off!

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Then we had to re-tighten them coming down Claw with a fawking Metric Crescent wrench:shaking::laughing::laughing:

Then we had to re-tighten them coming down Claw with a fawking Metric Crescent wrench:shaking::laughing::laughing:

lesson learned. never install new ubolts right before a long trail race and expect them to stay tight. both center pins broke and fell out on the trail somewhere. so the did the bottom leaves. we had to drive down claw and back to the lake bed with the front axle floating fowards and backwards and self steering the buggy. :shaking: goodtimes :D

Cool man.
Good luck and way to represent!

That one hell of a story. Wish I could run KOH but I don't have the funds for a race like that...... I will just live the race through someone else...... I plan on being there for the race so if anyone needs a pit guy I would most definitely love to do it!

I plan on being there for the race so if anyone needs a pit guy I would most definitely love to do it!


nice! you are recruited :) report to the Desert Valley Towing / Marlin Crawler pit camp somewhere in hammertown when you arrive. you will be gladly welcomed and put to good use :)

Hobie you should also mention your training and physical conditioning throughout this past year. I think that's an often overlooked ingredient to a successful race program of any type.

Good luck on race finish #5! I have plans to take off 2 weeks this year and be on the lake bed if not for the LCQ then at least to hang out and help my buddies.

Didn't JR have this current Bronco for KOH 07?

I have plans to take off 2 weeks this year and be on the lake bed if not for the LCQ then at least to hang out and help my buddies.

nice! can't wait to hang out :) r u bringing a rig to pre run with?

nice! can't wait to hang out :) r u bringing a rig to pre run with?

Oh yeah. No way i'm comin out without a ride! and my mountain bike.....

Get it Hobie!!!! Hopefull we can share a Pit Tent again this year. Combining our pit efforts always helps.

nice! you are recruited :) report to the Desert Valley Towing / Marlin Crawler pit camp somewhere in hammertown when you arrive. you will be gladly welcomed and put to good use :)


Cool can't wait!! I will put in for leave as soon as I get back to work!

Oh yeah. No way i'm comin out without a ride! and my mountain bike.....

i am glad you are brining your bike. there is a 12 hour race in temecula that should be like the week before KOH that we can do :laughing:

i am glad you are brining your bike. there is a 12 hour race in temecula that should be like the week before KOH that we can do :laughing:

I'm in. Would it be better to get there like 2 weekends before and leave Saturday or Sunday after the race?

Who are you prepping this early??? Its almost like you're a responsible adult now!! :flipoff2: :roxy:

Hobie, Gonna miss the race on the 13th. Gotta Do a UTV run at the Hammers.

Who are you prepping this early??? Its almost like you're a responsible adult now!! :flipoff2: :roxy:

lets just make it clear for the record. the ftoy has always been "prepped" before i get to the hammers. it might of been the week earlier, but it got done :smokin: i have never shown up at the hammres with anything broken or needing to be worked on :p

Hobie, Gonna miss the race on the 13th. Gotta Do a UTV run at the Hammers.

thats too bad. you would of had a blast :)

I'm in. Would it be better to get there like 2 weekends before and leave Saturday or Sunday after the race?

dont know the dates yet. i'll let you know when i find out.

dont know the dates yet. i'll let you know when i find out.

Looks like it's 3 weeks before. I can't be gone that long. Just make up your own 100+ mile epic and we'll do that. 12-24 hour mtb races are mind numbing anyway. :D

Looks like it's 3 weeks before. I can't be gone that long. Just make up your own 100+ mile epic and we'll do that. 12-24 hour mtb races are mind numbing anyway. :D

true that. how bout we pre run the KOH course? :D that would be an adventure:smokin:

Sorry I haven't gotten to post yet about this. I got stupid sick the day after the rig showed up at my shop. Having no energy and breathing in fab fumes has slowed me down a bit. It is coming along though!:beer:

Curious to see how the turbo helps, might look into this more next season.

Curious to see how the turbo helps, might look into this more next season.

well today it helped it go 70mph...up hill...with power to spare :smokin:


FOA sent me a nice package!!!! air bumps!! can't wait to install them.

well today it helped it go 70mph...up hill...with power to spare

Video :grinpimp:

May be on my to do list if it works out well for you

Video :grinpimp:

May be on my to do list if it works out well for you

yes i would do it. oh here are some other important parts to that story. air pressure was low and on dirt and most importantly, in 1 to 1, not redlined in 2 to 1

Did you do anything to your motor to prep it for the turbo?

Did you do anything to your motor to prep it for the turbo?

nope. but the block was machined 3 years ago and it hasnt been thrashed too hard since meaning i havent rolled it and kept driving it upsidedown like i used to for the fun of it.

the head was machined and rebuilt with LC stage kit. i also ported and polished it 2 years ago.

I have been getting parts together to turbo mine using a 20R block punched up to 22R, hopefully it will be done someday. :)
Good luck.............

O.K. here we go. This rig turned out awesome! Thanks Hobie!
You all will notice that I don't publicize the whole turbo thing. Reason bieng I get one to 2 calls every day that last at least a half hour, in which guys want me to explain each and every detail. There are several things that must be in place for this to happen. It has to be the right year motor, an exhaust manifold, a turbo, lots of extra plumbing, a strong engine to begin with, a weeks worth of fab, several hours of tuning, a strong head gasket with head studs, a very good working knowledge of engines and turbochargers, and an extra $800 to a grand laying around. This does not include the propane system either. It certainly isn't for everybody. I strongly recommend to guys that don't know turbos to build a high zoot motor to run 105 octane. I am the only guy at my shop that knows this and just can't explain 20 years worth of experience in a short amount of time.
What I do for these is sell the right turbo and pictures that I send with the turbo to help with the installation. I only do this for the 22r motor.
:beer:

thanks cary! i can't wait to get it back. we will test it and see what the new power is like and get some video. stay tuned for high speed action coming your way :laughing:

I had to take it out on the road today to tune a mixer for another customer.:D It rode better than most cars:smokin: I do need a few more days to finish bullet proofing things. This rig is in amazingly good shape for bieng through, excuse me, FINISHING 4 KOH races!:beer:

I had to take it out on the road today to tune a mixer for another customer.:D It rode better than most cars:smokin: I do need a few more days to finish bullet proofing things. This rig is in amazingly good shape for bieng through, excuse me, FINISHING 4 KOH races!:beer:

screw finishing #5....WE ARE GOING FOR THE WIN!!! :D

You can do it!!!!!!!
can't wait to see a turbo on it!

If he gets a good pit crew this year he mite finish better then 28th. Some speed freek was working on the rig last year.:D

If he gets a good pit crew this year he mite finish better then 28th. Some speed freek was working on the rig last year.:D

my crew may not have been on speed but they were on something :flipoff2:

It's ready:evil: I will miss it:(

Pics????

I will try tomorrow. I wanted to do a short video but couldn't get the time today.:beer:

Cary if you could get some video posted that would be sweet. I would like to see it burn rubber.

true that. how bout we pre run the KOH course? :D that would be an adventure:smokin:

I'm in!

Glad to see your rig finally getting some boost. Cary is the man. It should absolutely kill. Can't wait to hear it !

Hobie, that's impressive, shows that a well built car can survive many years of punishment. Even more impressive, you and the car finished all the KOH's.

Glad to see you're doing some freshening up, and hopping up the motor. The turbo is the right way to go.

Best wishes for your best finish yet, Gene.

Short video of it in 1 to 1 gear ratio. I detuned it slightly for extra longevity.

YouTube - GotPropane.Com 22R Propane KOH Rig (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuA5DramMJQ)


Special thanks to my Wife for filming this.

Looks great! How fast do you think you got it?

Dang............makes me wanna get rid of my 4.3 and get a turboed 22r lol

We need that! Maybe next year.... :D

Short video of it in 1 to 1 gear ratio. I detuned it slightly for extra longevit.

I would have red and blue flashing lights behind me so fast if I tried that :grinpimp:

holy toldeo! did you go to 5th gear in 1 to 1 :D

great video cary. thank your wife for me. i know how scary it is, just going 50mph in that thing. feels like 100mph

Nice!!!!!!!

We need that! Maybe next year.... :D

Hell yes we do!

Thats awesome!!

holy toldeo! did you go to 5th gear in 1 to 1 :D

great video cary. thank your wife for me. i know how scary it is, just going 50mph in that thing. feels like 100mph

I did. She saw your post and thought that was awesome.

Hell yea! I want a ride! :D

WOW thats awsome!

What axle ratio are you running hobie?

I just realized this was in 4wd. I was wondering why it was bieng funny in a sharp turn. Kill mode is more impressive but this race is part strategy too.

There is just something that brings a tear to my eye when i pull my toy on the road and roll up behind a car, and then pass them. It could be the lack of a wind shield, but i still think of it as tears of joy. Good luck, and may the force be with you.

I just realized this was in 4wd. I was wondering why it was bieng funny in a sharp turn. Kill mode is more impressive but this race is part strategy too.

Cary........... 3RZ turbo kit............ DO IT! :grinpimp:

Man that is bad ass. Now you need a auto trans so you don't have to shift 5000 times in the race. With the buggie a little longer, rear air bumps and a turbo. Go for the win.

Seems pretty quick.........!

GET IT

Man that is bad ass. Now you need a auto trans so you don't have to shift 5000 times in the race. With the buggie a little longer, rear air bumps and a turbo. Go for the win.

I wonder what the failure rate is at KOH for auto trans vs manuals? If your auto takes a crap your done. Even if you loose a gear on the manual or the clutch you can still make forward movement. Less weight with the manual and no trans cooler. Simpler is better in my opinion.

what axle ratio are you running hobie?

5.29:)

I wonder what the failure rate is at KOH for auto trans vs manuals? If your auto takes a crap your done. Even if you loose a gear on the manual or the clutch you can still make forward movement. Less weight with the manual and no trans cooler. Simpler is better in my opinion.

The manual is A LOT harder on parts in the desert, no cushion. Seems to work for 4 cyl toys, but not the heavier, higher powered rigs. Kevin Sacalas switched from a manual to an auto after some failures with his sm465/ atals.

The manual is A LOT harder on parts in the desert, no cushion. Seems to work for 4 cyl toys, but not the heavier, higher powered rigs. Kevin Sacalas switched from a manual to an auto after some failures with his sm465/ atals.

HHhmmm? I don't have much desert experience. That's a little surprising. In road racing (yeah I know "This ain't road racing"!) you would never dream of an auto trans and you're shifting constantly particularly in a 24hr event. I guess the "no cushion" is a bigger issue in high speed off road than I thought. Do you know what sort of failures he had?

Sorry Hobie didn't mean to hijack.:D Talked to Cary today. Got the lowdown on your engine.:grinpimp: Hopefully he'll be able to make it out early for KOH to do some pre-wheelin. Amazing that i've known him so long but never met. I can bring my built to hell turbo 22re engine for back up if you want. I don't have a rig to put it in now anyway.

If you are road racing then you would never run a auto trans. But I do think that every KOH winner has had a auto trans. You just have to cool them right. Evey one could use a back up engine:D

Its all all about the shock load. When you are charging the whoops your rear wheels are off the ground up to 50% of the time. Also the auto makes it a lot easier to haul ass through those short smooth areas in the rocks.

so thanks Cary!!! the ftoy left AZ today and is headed back to desert valley towing. Thanks HT for getting that done! :)

Sooo is it the DVT in Apple Valley?? Thats right around the corner from me, like 2 minutes. Would like to check out the turbo set up case I have been getting parts together to turbo mine now for about 6 or 7 months.

DVT is in Oak Hills, the storefront (or whatever its called) is in the same area as Greg's Sheds and the towyard is across the freeway.

Hope they put it out front again so I can see it going to and from work, always made my day :D

DVT is in Oak Hills, the storefront (or whatever its called) is in the same area as Greg's Sheds and the towyard is across the freeway.

Hope they put it out front again so I can see it going to and from work, always made my day :D

its there right now. i will tell them to put it out in front for ya :D

The manual is A LOT harder on parts in the desert, no cushion. Seems to work for 4 cyl toys, but not the heavier, higher powered rigs. Kevin Sacalas switched from a manual to an auto after some failures with his sm465/ atals.

Just saw this... Not trying to gank someone else's thread but wanted to clarify. Actually, we're still running a manual. We just switched from a SM465 to a Richmond 5 speed. We never had any race failures with the sm465 but we did find that the 23 spline shaft was not sufficient enough for race purposes. We switched to a 32 spline shaft and it was rock solid all year long. We upgraded for better gear ratios.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=178640362152153&set=a.165994010083455.44542.155986757750847

So Hobie you gonna install a little race seat in the rear for a passenger?

Yes he needs that now. You got a seat I could put in it?

Yes he needs that now. You got a seat I could put in it?

We do have a mini Kirkey but it's not THAT mini! Wrap him up in a blanket, strap in with 5 pt., he'll be fine.

Hobie,

Have you had a chance to take it out since it is back in CA after the turbo install?
What are your thoughts of how it turned out?
How does adding the turbo affect crawling ability or throttle control?

Sounds like you have an addition to the family on the way, Congrates on that!

Yes inquiring minds want to know.

From my personal experience with Cary's turbo setup I can tell you it's the single best improvement I have ever made to a Toyota based rig and mine was in a exoed cab truck that probably weighed 500lbs more than Hobie's.

From my personal experience with Cary's turbo setup I can tell you it's the single best improvement I have ever made to a Toyota based rig and mine was in a exoed cab truck that probably weighed 500lbs more than Hobie's.

i agree would not have another yota motor without turbo, oh and john that truck weighed a lil over 4000 loaded, and with stock gears dual case and 4.7 would smoke 38 sxs in 5th gear!!!!!:eek: , cant wait to see what it will do now that it weighs 2000lbs

I just want to know where he located a stock manifold at.

I just want to know where he located a stock manifold at.

Just order the LC Engineering manifold and be done with it.:D or build your own.

I'll sell you my whole 2wd ex cab turbo truck for $1000 and you can take the manifold off of it. Sweet truck but the block has a large hole in the side of it.......

I'll deliver it to you this weekend!!!

Just order the LC Engineering manifold and be done with it.:D or build your own.

I'll sell you my whole 2wd ex cab turbo truck for $1000 and you can take the manifold off of it. Sweet truck but the block has a large hole in the side of it.......

I'll deliver it to you this weekend!!!

Just looked up how much LCE wants for that manifold ...:eek:

Just order the LC Engineering manifold and be done with it.:D or build your own.

I'll sell you my whole 2wd ex cab turbo truck for $1000 and you can take the manifold off of it. Sweet truck but the block has a large hole in the side of it.......

I'll deliver it to you this weekend!!!
We might be able to work something out, I need a 2wd to commute. Just don't think I can swing it this week end. I need the stock manifold, for class reasons.

sorry guys, i havent gotten a chance to wheel it at all. i have started it up and it sounds awesome, so thats all that matters :laughing:

and i got the stock manifold from a friend of a friend

well first things first when prepping this car imparticular. this chassis is 7 years old and has been wheeled in more comps and trails than it cares to talk about it.

so i took her over to Mike Hendrix place and we gave her some new tubing :)

and i took these awesome cell phone pics with a busted up blackberry:flipoff2:

we brought the chassis back out to spec and she looks a lot better now.

i also might quite a list of things for Richie (crew chief) to do when comes and picks it up this weekend from Mike. It shouldn't take him too long :laughing:

we also added some angle iron to the bottom tube for hammers protection

Updates?

no, who has time to work on rigs these days :flipoff2:

i am waiting for you to get here so we can start working. the whole buggy is torn down to the frame so it won't be a big deal to put it all back together :laughing:

Ok just so long as you have plenty of 1554 or Fat Tire and we can do at least one epic MTb ride I'm in!

Ok just so long as you have plenty of 1554 or Fat Tire and we can do at least one epic MTb ride I'm in!

ya jake is down too. he has some desert mountain rides planned out for us. we will let mark and HT start prepping the rig the week before KOH while we are off riding :laughing:

ya jake is down too. he has some desert mountain rides planned out for us. we will let mark and HT start prepping the rig the week before KOH while we are off riding :laughing:

can I help Mark and HT while you steal my man for some riding?
I'll bring a case or two of fat tire :laughing:

can I help Mark and HT while you steal my man for some riding?
I'll bring a case or two of fat tire :laughing:

She said cases of Fat Tire!!? Sweet

Is there a place nearby where I can stay with the toyhauler? Maybe a place with hookups?

She said cases of Fat Tire!!? Sweet

Is there a place nearby where I can stay with the toyhauler? Maybe a place with hookups?

when are you going to be out here?

when are you going to be out here?

1/31, 2/1, or 2/2 depends on how work goes between now and then. Still have to finish my buggy and perform some maintainence and do some mods to the trailer.

Got the ftoy in my garage today. There is going to be some long nights for me. All post up some pics and updates tomorrow night.

Got the ftoy in my garage today. There is going to be some long nights for me. All post up some pics and updates tomorrow night.
Nothin your not used to:D

Hey Hobie what size angle iron did you use for the bottom tube? I was thinking the same sort of idea for more beef. Got any better pics of how it turned out? Also I was curios as to what air pressure you run for koh. Hope to see you at the race. Good luck.
Chris

It not much of a Buggy right now looks more like a broken down mess.:grinpimp:

Hey Hobie what size angle iron did you use for the bottom tube? I was thinking the same sort of idea for more beef. Got any better pics of how it turned out? Also I was curios as to what air pressure you run for koh. Hope to see you at the race. Good luck.
Chris

not sure what size angle iron we used. it was laying around. and we ran 15psi last year.

They used 3/4 by 1/8.

I know you're busy but how about some updates?

I know you're busy but how about some updates?

UPDATE: i am going to lunch:flipoff2:

UPDATE: PBB is the new Twitter.

UPDATE: i am going to lunch:flipoff2:

Ok let me clarify...update from someone in the same STATE as your buggy.:D:flipoff2:

Ok let me clarify...update from someone in the same STATE as your buggy.:D:flipoff2:

<----- OK, he's going to lunch:flipoff2:

Bunch of fawkin comedians........I can hardly wait to get there.

A quick up date. The f-toy is a mess. It only took 4 hours to take it a part. The only thing that is not going to be removed is the engine. When the turbo got put in the steering had to be moved. It has been down hill from there. We had 61 things to do and 5 have been done. Here is a few pics.

:eek: Looks like it's going to be a long week.

updates?


..... you gonna throw an extra flashlight in to help get across the finish line?

we got lights!

http://thebestbuddies.com/pic/headlight.jpg

and rock lights

http://thebestbuddies.com/pic/sidelights.jpg

How can you? Still needs to be wired.:D

Well it went away today. Still needs some work. We started out with a list of 61 items. We got 55 of them done. Everything we did took 3 times long then I thought it would. Next time I will give myself 4 times longer then it should take. I just need to thank my Dad, Bob, Mark and Robinson for helping me out on the Ftoy.

That’s pretty clever to use a garage door opener to adjust the angle of the Cyclops light for hi and low speed driving.:D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=572675&stc=1&d=1295853538

Well it went away today. Still needs some work. We started out with a list of 61 items. We got 55 of them done. Everything we did took 3 times long then I thought it would. Next time I will give myself 4 times longer then it should take. I just need to thank my Dad, Bob, Mark and Robinson for helping me out on the Ftoy.


Welcome to Race Prep. It just takes forever.

I'm glad I was able to come to the race this year, I had a great time. I'll give a full report of my experience later but I just wanted to say I had a great time.

No matter how much the car is prepped you can't be prepared for everything....


Sincerely,
Anthony/ dalton/ Kyle/ eaton/Cleatus/ Keaton.:laughing:

Now that the race is over,
What were you happy with on your rig and what weren't you happy with? Specifically the turbo. Did it work for your application? Was it the right size? How did it do on the rocks vs. the open desert?

Thanks

Now that the race is over,
What were you happy with on your rig and what weren't you happy with? Specifically the turbo. Did it work for your application? Was it the right size? How did it do on the rocks vs. the open desert?

Thanks

yes, the turbo 22r on propane is the bomb. i would of had done this years and years ago. i actually could control the foy through the woops with the throttle. something you can't do without the turbo.