A few more pics I took while waiting for my turn to go.

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wow, that one cage got smacked up pretty good...

Damn, that cage didnt hold up very well. Talk about great advertisement for Campbell.

Mike Palmer (above) actually fixed his cage and continued the comp. Both him and Durham (top) rolled three separate times in the event (I think, correct me if I'm wrong). Rolls were plentiful. There must have been 50 or so, including mine, in the two days of comp! At one point I saw three different rigs rubber-up at the same time on different obstacles :eek:

Umm ouch on that cage. Seems like all the rollover pics from this event happened where the rocks are black from tires. Musta been alot of "gettin it" needed there.

Cool pics, thanks JR

There wasn't much "crawling" about this event. Lots of momentum was the key. The trick was using enough mo' whithout getting out of control.

Should have been called.... Rock Bogging???

I wish I was there, sounded like lots of watching entertainment :D

Originally posted by JR
Rolls were plentiful. There must have been 50 or so, including mine, in the two days of comp! At one point I saw three different rigs rubber-up at the same time on different obstacles :eek:

It was pretty nuts :eek:

what is that beat up cage made out of?? looks ouch.

It looks like the only thing that kept him safe was the middle window support!! That is crazy that it broke the weld and bent that badly. I saw the roll on video and it did not look like that hard of a roll. Ow well , Glad he was not hurt!

Originally posted by JR
Rolls were plentiful. There must have been 50 or so, including mine, in the two days of comp!

I was wondering how many rigs made it through without rolling. I'll bet you could count on one hand the number of vehichles that made it though rubber side down both days.

Going by the final spread sheet and recollection of what I heard/saw.

A few people rolled and still placed well, Tracy (Smalltimewheeler)
managed to roll on 3 I think and still finish the course with a decent score. Walker's roll on six was heartbreaking as he was running real close to Shupee for a solid second place- the roll put him back to 4th.

There were teams that knew their rigs and elected to take lines over cones to make the climb with some points, there were those who used more right pedal than strategy and there were plenty of guys in the middle that simply slipped the wrong way etc.:eek:

Originally posted by Go2Guy

There were teams that knew their rigs and elected to take lines over cones to make the climb with some points

I noticed that a lot. Seemed like a pretty good idea in most cases. Was also funny how we got tipped off to that at the driver meeting :D

You know it's rough when the organizer suggests taking a cone to avoid going through a set of gates :eek:

Wow, looks like a real cluster with all those spectators hanging off every available rock. From a spectator's point of view, how do you even see all the action with a crowd like that? What do the promoters plan to do to make it more spectator-friendly? Will they haul in bleachers or just suck it up & know that folks won't continue to pay to stare at the back of someone's head forever?

TEX

Originally posted by joes75bronco
wow, that one cage got smacked up pretty good...

that cage tacoed like that on a different obstacle where Mike actually endovered coming down and landed square on that corner from about 15' to 20' off the ground I think for the impact it help up really well

I'd have to say that this event was the most spectator friendly crawl I've been to.

In many instances you could pic a decent spot to watch 2-3 events going on at once, 10 courses running at a time, all close together, pick favorite teams to watch or courses, easy to do it.

Our sport just does not lend itself to bleachers like a mudstrip and bleachers would.

And yeah- Mike took a hard hit coming down #8, nosed over hard. I don't remember if he slipped in the whole or what but he definately had his front tire in the wrong place, needed to be straddling that hole. I was actually disappointed the officials did not stop him after the roll- it was his crew that eventually told him to hang it up. Several were rolling on the way back up 8 and Mike had no biz attempting it with his cage that compromised.

If I had one constructive comment for that event it would be the officials not making that call.

Originally posted by Go2Guy
I'd have to say that this event was the most spectator friendly crawl I've been to.

In many instances you could pic a decent spot to watch 2-3 events going on at once, 10 courses running at a time, all close together, pick favorite teams to watch or courses, easy to do it.


I agree. On those rocky points you could easily turn around and watch 2-3 other courses. It was actually VERY cool!

From down below, you could see rigs on at least six differant courses. They chose a great site for the event.

Palmers cage held up just fine, if you were there, and you saw the roll over then you would understand. He took a very hard roll, and the cage collapsed, I believe any thing would have collapsed under that kind of hard roll:eek:

Originally posted by Go2Guy
I'd have to say that this event was the most spectator friendly crawl I've been to.

In many instances you could pic a decent spot to watch 2-3 events going on at once, 10 courses running at a time, all close together, pick favorite teams to watch or courses, easy to do it.



Cool, guess pics don't tell the whole story :)

TEX

I think that cage could have done better, but in my opinion that is a bad design of supporting the Halo. You can see that the force to the front corner of the halo traveled through that little support peice, and placed a side load on the main front halo supports. The main supports should go straight to the corners of the halo so that forces put on the corner place a compression load on the supports. With the way that it is layed out there the halo has about 6" of leverage that it can use to place a bending force on the main support. That in my opinion is bad.

Sean

We could all critique most all cages out there. This particular design might survive a side roll better but I suspect you are right, a hard hit on the front corner will result in the little gusset getting shoved into your main support- like breaking a stick over your knee.

I really prefer the 2" stuff for the main cage too.

Originally posted by Go2Guy

I really prefer the 2" stuff for the main cage too.

Do you mean 1-3/4? Isn't Mike's only 1-1/2?

Hi John,
I think Mike's cage is 1.5, which is fine, as long as there's a good design and lots of support. I suspect many good cages would have come out of that roll without some repair work needed.

I've got two inch in my main gage but use 1.5 for all other stuff.

I had a bad weekend back in a June comp with 3-4 separate rolls depending on who you ask. So I guess I have more respect for my cage than I used to. From what I recall you just had some scratches on yours from #9??

Nice pix JR :cool:

Originally posted by Go2Guy
I had a bad weekend back in a June comp with 3-4 separate rolls depending on who you ask. So I guess I have more respect for my cage than I used to. From what I recall you just had some scratches on yours from #9??

No kidding! ;) Cage held up great. I have a plenty of pics to prove that! :eek:

Originally posted by Go2Guy
. From what I recall you just had some scratches on yours from #9??

Yeah, a couple of dings in the tubing but nothing bad. It wasn't a violent roll like some I saw on #9. The front axle housing bent slightly on the landing though.

I dig the sloped A pillars on Cambell's rigs :cool:
They need "wind wing" braces, IMO.

Originally posted by RKCRAWLER
It looks like the only thing that kept him safe was the middle window support!! That is crazy that it broke the weld and bent that badly. I saw the roll on video and it did not look like that hard of a roll. Ow well , Glad he was not hurt!


its 1.5 inch tubing kinda small IMO, I woulda used 1.75 min...but all the force was on a rock about the size of your footprint right above that support....

that cage did what it was supposed to do..protect the driver...

as for not looking that hard, I was standing arms reach from mike right where he started to go over...whatever video you saw did not do it justice cause he went over he fell about 15 ft forward in an endo...the ground shook when he hit

probably hte hardest roll of the weekend

probably hte hardest roll of the weekend

I would agree with that as I was 5 feet off to his right when he went over. Maybe a different cage design would have held up better but for the big hit he took, the cage did it's job.
Still, I was disappointed to see the officials not jump on the bent cage immediatly...there should have been no question that he should not go on. I have to hand it to Mike and his crew for recognising the risk and calling it quits for the day.

Wow! That roll cage snaping like that is crazy. i dont think i have ever seen anything quite like that. I am glad no one was hurt :)

Hmm just got through watching my video of Palmers roll again. IMO the cage did its job. Someone stated earlier that it broke at the weld which in fact it did not. That roll was one of the worst Ive seen especially for going off a 15-20 drop landing cage first. Glad Mike was ok, someone had to throw the after party!!!!:flipoff2:

Staged for #3, I had a long wait and could easily see #3,#4 and #6 which gave many people trouble. During this wait, I saw maybe 6 or 8 rolls. On #3 it seemed like every 3ard car was doing acrobats. So I'm just sitting there... waiting... for my turn.
Heartbeat never below a 100.

I like the sloped A-pillars as well, but why not bring the halo back to meet them? Put a sun visor on there if it is to keep the sun out of your eyes. Cool looking cages are cool, but cages designed JUST to look cool are not cool.

Sean

yeah on the after party thing:D ---poor mike only had a lap belt on so he could see on that fawked obstacle :eek:

ditto on the officials thing..good damn thing his spotter (donny?) told him to call it quits...I dunno if I woulda want to roll again...

to bad though, his bounce landed him right on the wheels in the middle of the next cones...I don't think he even hit a cone!!!!!

he prolly coulda made that next hill if he could SEE! but to risky...

the helmet rule really came into play at that event for sure...man it was down right scary...

I am with you guys on the cage thing...one aspect is though..how hard of hit do you think that woulda been without any crumple zone!!!!!:eek: there were arguments that the front of the cage needs to go down like that for absorbsion, as long as the main hoop over drivers head doesn't cave...but I dunno, we ain't on flat ground here so I think I would lean more towards overbuilding driver compartment, and dealing with a non-crumplezone type impact...and hope I had a harness on!

LOL@ JR...100 beats per minute I bet....jeesus mine was just watching

one thing about the supercrawl vert was alot of it was luck climbs, like FLOOR it and hope you don't slide into a cone...honestly I like those, but like a balance of technical rockcrawling, like gate 10...

I hope a crawl really does come to Moab next year...but hte Stickrock might have scary vert also

Sweeet.:D
I gotta build me one of those.

Originally posted by jc248
Sweeet.:D
I gotta build me one of those.

:rolleyes:

yeah uh huh