Here are some bumpers I built for a guy from Grand Haven.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/PaperboyRacing/IH%20Scout%20800/IMAG0420.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/PaperboyRacing/IH%20Scout%20800/IMAG0421.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/PaperboyRacing/IH%20Scout%20800/IMAG0423.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/PaperboyRacing/IH%20Scout%20800/IMAG0425.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/PaperboyRacing/IH%20Scout%20800/IMAG0426.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/PaperboyRacing/IH%20Scout%20800/IMAG0427.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/PaperboyRacing/IH%20Scout%20800/IMAG0435.jpg

Good looking bumpers, heres your cookie! happy tuesday!!!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/dubd/CHOCOLATE_CHIP_COOKIE.jpg

Holly departure angel, what are you thinking. You would get hung up at the mall parking lot with those:homer: TUESDAY

Good looking Comanche. I agree with Jet though...:shaking:

Holly departure angel, what are you thinking. You would get hung up at the mall parking lot with those:homer: TUESDAY

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I don't like the headboard style tire carrier either. Just my $.02

Well thanks for the feed back, I mainly do jeep bumpers and the customer like them so I built them. After your guys posts I have not been able to find many others that even make Scout Bumpers. But from the looks of the Scout I am not sure it will be seeing any hardcore wheeling.

That tire carrier probably wont last very long. The front looks good, but it sticks out too far for my taste.

Well thanks for the feed back, I mainly do jeep bumpers and blah blah blah

no kidding.

Someone stole my old license plate :shaking:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/muddyjeep1/littlesluice2.jpg

That tire carrier probably wont last very long. The front looks good, but it sticks out too far for my taste.

Why do you say it wont last?

Why do you say it wont last?

Single sheer spindle welded straight to the bumper. It might hold up to the 30" stock tire hanging there but add a high lift and fuel can (since it seems thats where everyone puts that shit) will stress it over time.

The front bumper is an eggcelent battering ram for storming the castle. Not so sweet for ANY kind of wheeling.

Binder Bound you are so sweet and kind I just want to wheel with you. All that love for a Jeep Dwep You are the man:flipoff2:

Single sheer spindle welded straight to the bumper. It might hold up to the 30" stock tire hanging there but add a high lift and fuel can (since it seems thats where everyone puts that shit) will stress it over time.

The front bumper is an eggcelent battering ram for storming the castle. Not so sweet for ANY kind of wheeling.

The spindle is 1 3/4" around and is welded on the inside before the caps were welded on. And its also supported at the latched end so when bouncing around the spindle does not need to carry all the load. There are spindles out there that are sold the are much smaller and I would agree on how they could possibly fail. I guess with all this bashing I would like to see what you guys have built that is so much better? Lets see some pics

Is that a trailer spindle? :spam:

Is that a trailer spindle? :spam:

Yeah same idea as a trailer spindle, but the hub comes machined and and ready to be welded on to the tire swing.

http://troutindustries.easycgi.com/TIndustries/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=10&idcategory=

This is one that I have seen others use and have heard people that they have seen them fail (I am not picking on the Rockstopmer one just saying the smaller ones similar to this one) these I think are 1 1/4" in dia.

http://rockstomper.netfirms.com/shoppingcart/nfoscomm/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=102

I like the look from the front. The style of the bars, hoop and bumper.

As for too wide I guess that depends , as that is a nice 800 and would protect the sheet metal real good. But does look wider then the body.

Does it stick out to far in the front, YES If you make another bumper push the winch plate out to the edge of the big hoop so the whole thing stick out less from the front. i.e. looks too much like a Jeep.

Rear tire mount will hold a 29"-30" tire with no issues. 33" with aluminum rim and you still OK. Once you get into say 35" and bigger there are a lot of forces that will make tire carriers fail. If you weld on the spindle it will fail! Million photos of that out there. So people sleeve the bumper and the spindle drops in. A small tack weld at the bottom has no affect on the where they normally break. Warn bumper inc. puts the hinge in double shear to stop the issue of the carrier assy falling off on the freeway.

What have I done? I dumped the whole 4-5' long bar that put all those force on the hinge to begin with. Double shear and supported when in the close position. added an option to pull the tire up tight to the carrier to prevent wobble, added a hoist as big tires are more than one person can lift and not f-up their back. But for those smal tires your fine.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=547824&stc=1&d=1284396016

Check these out:

http://pivotking.com/axlepage.htm

Might make it last longer.

it's clean, just sticks out real far. Recess the winch just below the body and bring that winch in 3" from the body or so.

Is the rear bumper tied into the frame somehow, or is it just bolted/welded to the rear crossmember?

Is the rear bumper tied into the frame somehow, or is it just bolted/welded to the rear crossmember?

yeah its bolted into the rear cross member and then there are brackets that the bolts go through and tie it into the frame.

I like the look from the front. The style of the bars, hoop and bumper.

As for too wide I guess that depends , as that is a nice 800 and would protect the sheet metal real good. But does look wider then the body.

Does it stick out to far in the front, YES If you make another bumper push the winch plate out to the edge of the big hoop so the whole thing stick out less from the front. i.e. looks too much like a Jeep.

Rear tire mount will hold a 29"-30" tire with no issues. 33" with aluminum rim and you still OK. Once you get into say 35" and bigger there are a lot of forces that will make tire carriers fail. If you weld on the spindle it will fail! Million photos of that out there. So people sleeve the bumper and the spindle drops in. A small tack weld at the bottom has no affect on the where they normally break. Warn bumper inc. puts the hinge in double shear to stop the issue of the carrier assy falling off on the freeway.

What have I done? I dumped the whole 4-5' long bar that put all those force on the hinge to begin with. Double shear and supported when in the close position. added an option to pull the tire up tight to the carrier to prevent wobble, added a hoist as big tires are more than one person can lift and not f-up their back. But for those smal tires your fine.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=547824&stc=1&d=1284396016


So when you guys are talking the 2 sheer points are you just, building a bracket and then just using a grade 8 bolt as a pivot point?

Looks like clean work from what I can see but is that front just bolted to the factory location? There's way too much leverage there with a winch bolted to it.
Overall it's not as functional as it is prety but I doubt that scout does much wheeling.........
As for me I've never built anything. Bolt it on baby!:smokin:

So when you guys are talking the 2 sheer points are you just, building a bracket and then just using a grade 8 bolt as a pivot point?

Glad you can search:flipoff2: That mofo been through hell this year and not one issue.

Look at a how Warn's builds their bumpers. Notice that the pivot point is held top and bottom which is double shear. The trailer spindle is only held on one end, so single shear. The reason they don't fall off a trailer is there is a spring and rubber tire to absorb some energy. Your's being bigger will help too, but I would need to see close up pic's of the welding. If you can find some pipe or DOM to slide the spindle into then only weld on the bottom, you have a fighting chance in a single shear mount.

http://www.4wheelparts.com/aux_incl/images.ashx?i=TireCarrier2.jpg&partNo=WAR&w=380

I building one using a 14 bolt spindle and hub welded to an equally overkill tube bumper.

Glad you can search:flipoff2: That mofo been through hell this year and not one issue.

Look at a how Warn's builds their bumpers. Notice that the pivot point is held top and bottom which is double shear. The trailer spindle is only held on one end, so single shear. The reason they don't fall off a trailer is there is a spring and rubber tire to absorb some energy. Your's being bigger will help too, but I would need to see close up pic's of the welding. If you can find some pipe or DOM to slide the spindle into then only weld on the bottom, you have a fighting chance in a single shear mount.

http://www.4wheelparts.com/aux_incl/images.ashx?i=TireCarrier2.jpg&partNo=WAR&w=380

I understand the diffrence between single sheer and 2 sheer points. Were all entilted to our own opinions. There are plenty of professional built bumpers built both ways.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/PaperboyRacing/IH%20Scout%20800/JKRTC2-P1_medium.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/PaperboyRacing/IH%20Scout%20800/imagesCAWDU8Z4.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/PaperboyRacing/IH%20Scout%20800/11_1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/PaperboyRacing/IH%20Scout%20800/rr01.jpg

There are plenty of professional built bumpers built both ways.


"Professional" doesn't really mean anything here. There's a good chance that the professional who designed/ built those are no more qualified than any of us.

"Professional" doesn't really mean anything here. There's a good chance that the professional who designed/ built those are no more qualified than any of us.

I agree.

LOL Believe me I looked at a ton of designs and came up with the one I have as it was build-able with what tools I have. Theres a good thread on the expedition portal on hinges too.

If you look at each pic you posted, you will notice the tire is touching the carrier in each pic. Some use rubber bump stops, others have a tube that slides.
As for the 14 bolt spindle mount, we would not expect anything less:D
but you did bring up a good point the bumper has to be built strong to handle the load

Were did the stock tire carrier go? Those are unique

I understand the diffrence between single sheer and 2 sheer points. Were all entilted to our own opinions. There are plenty of professional built bumpers built both ways.
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I'm guessing that this is a part time gig and hence you don't have liability insurance to cover you in case it comes off on the freeway and goes bouncing through someone's windshield. If so just how confident are you that your spindle will hold up to years of abuse with a 36+" swamper, steel wheel, etc. hanging off it? Best to overbuild IMO.