attention QBERT please read

[brimy311]

well you said you used a steering setup like water dogs, right? well my question is, if i put a steering arm on the passenger side knuckle(stock bronco knuckle) will it hit the leaf spring or is it going to clear it? thanks

[Qbert]

No, let me clarify. The thing I used from Water Dog was the pitmen arm placement, that’s where the similarities end. I used the factory Ford tie rods and rod ends in the stock position. The Ford hard were is super stout and easily found at any parts store, its easy to align and I get a lifetime warranty on it. For the drag link from the box to the new pitmen arm I took the factory Jeep rod cut and sleeved it whit driveshaft chromealloy tube. Again I retained the Jeep rod ends for the same reasons. Heim Joints are not legal for road use on a steering system. I will post a pic its much easier to understand that way. Do you want pics of all the front suspension including shaft, plate and such? What can I do to help?

[Qbert]

And be specific. Another ting I’m out the Office this week so if I don’t reply immediately don’t freak out as soon as I read it I reply. To be safe CC my email account saxon9598@hotmail.com Dave.

[brimy311]

ok, if you could get me pics of your front suspension...spring perches, and steering set up. Do you rember the size u-joints you used? what size spring perches did you purchase....i emailed u this too...

thanks, brian

[SJM]

Crap... guess I am illegal! Doh!

--Steve

[Qbert]

I used standard Jeep ones all around, most Bronco Yokes are the same size U joint yoke as the Jeep one, The rear I used a 9” yoke from a car I will tell you Monday what it was cant remember right now. But its also the same size U joint and its shorter by 1”, which is great cause….. that means I get an even longer drive shaft. The Pads and U bolts are Conn Ferr ones used for the Wagoneer (Again I can get you the part #’s Monday if you want them. the rear perch sits just a little ½” over the axle on the 9” and levels out the Jeep Front and back.

Sorry Water dog. I found out that DOT does not allow the Use of Haim’s on steering components because they can pop out of the socket, and you know what can happen then. For racing applications they use a special crown-retaining bolt that prevents this from happening, but DOT hasn’t approved it. DOT SUKS!!! I also and this is the reason I did not use the Haim’s is that if you are in an accident and they notice the set up, you are going to be most likely the main contributor to the accident. And if the linkage breaks from the accident you are going to have a hard time proving that it was not the cause. Thank the insurance companies for that one.

[SJM]

Originally posted by Qbert:
<STRONG>I used standard Jeep ones all around, most Bronco Yokes are the same size U joint yoke as the Jeep one, The rear I used a 9” yoke from a car I will tell you Monday what it was cant remember right now. But its also the same size U joint and its shorter by 1”, which is great cause….. that means I get an even longer drive shaft. The Pads and U bolts are Conn Ferr ones used for the Wagoneer (Again I can get you the part #’s Monday if you want them. the rear perch sits just a little ½” over the axle on the 9” and levels out the Jeep Front and back.

Sorry Water dog. I found out that DOT does not allow the Use of Haim’s on steering components because they can pop out of the socket, and you know what can happen then. For racing applications they use a special crown-retaining bolt that prevents this from happening, but DOT hasn’t approved it. DOT SUKS!!! I also and this is the reason I did not use the Haim’s is that if you are in an accident and they notice the set up, you are going to be most likely the main contributor to the accident. And if the linkage breaks from the accident you are going to have a hard time proving that it was not the cause. Thank the insurance companies for that one.</STRONG>


Definitely good points. You know...if I am in a accident with that rig...it is always going to be my fault... revolvers...SOA...steering w/heims.

Lady pulled in front of me yesterday..I was doing 40mph. Had to lock them up...was surprisingly steady! Last time I did that (in my CJ7 in high school...1988) I almost rolled from the loss of control. Anyway...all good reasons to drive ultra conservative, and also start looking for tie-rod ends <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

--Steve

[brimy311]

yes if you could please give my as many part numbers as possible, the more the better...also if you could tell me the car 9" to look for i would greatly appreciate it <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> But what yoke did you use in the front? the bronco one is way to big, will any dana 44 yoke work? thanks a bunch

[Qbert]

OK firs the arm. This is the top.
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Front.
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this one is sideways from the front.
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From front top.
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these are the inside from the botom up.
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[Qbert]

The Pitman Arm from the front.
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All from the front, Notice the space under the spring.
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The adjusting sleve, notice the spring pad.
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[Qbert]

The 44 frome the side.
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The botom slip
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The top yoke notice the cut in the plate.
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See how straight the shafht is.
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[Qbert]

Now the Pads.
This is the close one, it sits right on the Lip.
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pasenger side
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The 9
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the pad on the 9. notice the fill in.
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[Qbert]

Now a litle bonus My Sway bar discos, I got this Idea from Brett's friend Matt out in Cali.
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I can't show you my shock mounts becouse I have a Patent pending on them right now sorry.

[Qbert]

The axle Tubes.
This is were the chunk was.
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choped of.
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The chunk.
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cut at this angle
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[Qbert]

Now bear in mind these are 35's
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[Qbert]

And excuse my spelling it’s Sunday. Actually Monday morning 2:47 AM and I’m drunk off my ass. <IMG SRC="smilies/blender.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/jester.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">

[brimy311]

well, i must have a different housing than you guys...if you look through the axle tube, you see that the radius ram mount is part of the housing...i cut into one of them and now there is a hole that goes into the housing?!?!?! this is really odd!!!

[Qbert]

Post a pic so we can suggest to you how to better screw it up. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[brimy311]

well i wish i could but do not have a digital camera...on that chunk you toke off, is it solid or hollow? my radius mounts are hollow and you can see the form of them in the axle tube...this sucks!!!

hey, what about your yokes??? what did you get the 9" off of? and 44?

[brimy311]

one more thing, what size springs are you using? thanks

[Qbert]

Yes they are hollow, only the first inch or so is welded to the tube, if you look at the pictures were the chunk is on the tire you notice that it is hollow. When you are cutting the chunks of it seems like they are part of the axle but when you grind it down you will notice the difference. I use 2 ½ wide rear springs with a 4” lift to them. The Ford tubes are much wider than the Jeep ones this combined with the lift springs in an SOA configuration gives me 11 ½ combined lift. And that’s with the weight of my winch and tire carrier. At what stage of the project are you?

[brimy311]

well this is my DD, i have 35's and a TPI 350, 700r-4, yadda yadda...next is the axles...

i have the 9" done and ready for installation, now i am working on the front axle. i have until monday to work on it, then i have surgary on my right lung, so i will not be able to do any work until like the middle or end of september.

hey what, yokes did you use? what did you get them off of?

thanks again

[brimy311]

if i stick a screw driver inside the axle tube, you can feel the shape of the radius mount, it looks like the axle tube stops and the radius mount part connects the tube and the knuckle...i don't know?!?

[brimy311]

BTT

[Qbert]

Originally posted by brimy311:
<STRONG>if i stick a screw driver inside the axle tube, you can feel the shape of the radius mount, it looks like the axle tube stops and the radius mount part connects the tube and the knuckle...i don't know?!?</STRONG>

I Really need a Pic I'm not clear on what you got, doesn’t sound right. The U joints are the standard 1310 the 44 should already have this, Ford made 6 different yokes on the 9" 3 for the large and 3 for the small pinion you have to physically look for them, ford put different stuff on depending on when it was made and model. The one you want is the 1310 U joint one for the specific pinion you have. It’s the shortest one you can use on the 9”.

[brimy311]

is there a way to tell if the 9" has a large pinion or small? can i order one from an aftermarket shop like Tom Woods??

thanks, brian

[x658x]

How is the ride and handling when using the 4" springs on your SOA? Also, are you running a traction bar in the rear to stop axle wrap or are the 4" lift springs stiff enough to stop it?

Thanks,
Michael

[Qbert]

Originally posted by x658x:
<STRONG>How is the ride and handling when using the 4" springs on your SOA? Also, are you running a traction bar in the rear to stop axle wrap or are the 4" lift springs stiff enough to stop it?

Thanks,
Michael</STRONG>
The ride ?? Shit it rides better than it did SUA. In fact its asome I love it. It corners pretty dam good. The only thing is you really need to keep the sway bars its scary when you have them of on road, that’s why I made them disconnects. I used my track bars and the factory shackles to make an anti-wrap bar for the rear. Right now its not on because of a little accident I had while I was out wheeling at lunch, I will be putting everything back in next week though. And yes you need one. When I go up very steep stuff whit it off it hops like Rebecca on my lap on a Friday night.
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[Qbert]

Originally posted by brimy311:
<STRONG>is there a way to tell if the 9" has a large pinion or small? can i order one from an aftermarket shop like Tom Woods??

thanks, brian</STRONG>
You would have the large one its my bet couse it came out of a truck but the easier way would be to pull yours off and make sure it’s the same size (the yoke I mean) and I found out why your axle is so weird, the last year they made the solid 44 on the bronco some had that set up. I asked my bud that has the race shop and he told me you had two options, cut the ears of and then take it to a weld shop and get some plates welded at the same time they welding the pads or get a different housing. I would go whit the different housing, sounds cheaper to me. Just make sure they don’t have that weird set up. You could also re-tube the axle and weld the ends on, you wouldn’t be cutting the shafts so it won’t be to expensive. Re-tubing is the cheap part. Again I would just get a different housing they aren’t hard to find and they are cheap, besides you would have all the innards for spare parts. Or I bet you culd make it fit whit a little grinding and just leave the ears on. Do a little measuring. And if you go whit the new housing try an F150 for that same year, they still had the normal front axles in them. Why does Ford change their shit in the middle of production all the time no one knows but they still do it today.

[Qbert]

Originally posted by brimy311:
<STRONG>well you said you used a steering setup like water dogs, right? well my question is, if i put a steering arm on the passenger side knuckle(stock bronco knuckle) will it hit the leaf spring or is it going to clear it? thanks</STRONG>

And in case you dint know, the longer the arm the less steering radius you will get so make sure the overall length of your arm is the same as the D30 so you have full steering. Unless you change the box.

[Qbert]

How did the surgery come out? <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">

[brimy311]

well they only had to remove a small section of my wind pipe. the tumor did not infect any of my lung tissue. i am a little sore, but ready to get started on my jeep <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

that sucks about the axle housing, it was actually kinda difficult finding these axles, everybody junk yard around here junked trucks that old. how <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0">

maybe i will retube the axle housing, one of my relitives owns a 4x4 shop. i still can't believe how gay ford is about changing crap!

thanks for all of the info Qbert

[Qbert]

I’m in tuch with those emotions man, every time I’m going to buy a part its an adventure. And I also had a battle whit cancer, I have it in my left tight. Take lots of medication that make me feel worse. I don’t think some folks understand the pain these things couse. Hope you get better man.

[brimy311]

Man, fortunatly mine was not cancer, that is a bummer...cancer is some serious crap!! <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"> my cousin has cancer and says that kemo is the worse thing in the world. YIKES!

[Qbert]

He did not lie to you man it sucks big. <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">