hey guys i just had a question i picked up a 88 two door montero 4x4 and i wanna build it so what kinda axles do u recommend for it? Toyotas or chevy 10 bolts????? give me some ideas it would be much appreciated

I think full width would be pretty cool ona montero but I like full widths on just about everything
it all depends on what you have planned for the little guy
-35" or taller tires?
-stretch
-what kinda wheeling do you do?

1 tons, 40's, turboed 22re, 220+:1, 3 link front 4 link rear, coil overs front, air shocks rear............:smokin:

Be more specific, like primate60 said above what kind of wheeling do you do?? Any one could help give you a bunch of non realistic mods that you "could do". Is it your daily driver?? etc. :confused:

I say go tons and 40´s with 3 and 4 link on stock wheel base, but like everyone has already said what are you using it for? I just automatically assume you want to do some hardcore crawling.


If you are on a budget you can just go with lockers, crawler gears and 35´s using your stock equipment and still be able to kick ass out on the rocks with little breakage.

Have fun.

i wanna do alot not just rocks im into everything but im definetly thinkin bout just going with full widths and like 35s cause i still wanna be streetable and yea ill prolly do lockers and a gear kit in the t case

how tall should i go with it? ideas?

how tall should i go with it? ideas?
ALAP- as low as possible

Are you keeping the original engine? You will need a driver's drop axle like a ford d44, or driver's drop wagoneer d44.



Or *gasp* jeep d30 and a ford 8.8:flipoff2: CHEAP, easy, cheap, can handle 35s with a 4 cylinder

Any project starts with A LOT of reading!!! :barf: And learning from others mistakes and successes before you dive into a project. My advice is read lots of build threads to get a grasp of how much work it is going to take to take on a SAS project. Theres a lot to learn by just reading all the threads here on pirate.


Mind you I'm assuming that this is your first project.

yes im keeping the stock engine but im turboing it and no its not my first build but first build for a ifs front end i have a 83 yota on 40s but i wanted something a little different i want it to still be driveable on the street thats why i dont wanna go bigger than 35s but all this info is very helpful thanks guys

i want it to still be driveable on the street thats why i dont wanna go bigger than 35s but all this info is very helpful thanks guys

i know a guy who runs 37's on his montero and he drives it on the street.

yes im keeping the stock engine but im turboing it and no its not my first build but first build for a ifs front end i have a 83 yota on 40s but i wanted something a little different i want it to still be driveable on the street thats why i dont wanna go bigger than 35s but all this info is very helpful thanks guys

I run 38.5 s with stock engine and gears and it drives great. Forget it if you have hills though or want to go over 65mph.:laughing:

A d30/ford 8.8 would be very cheap with a set of 35s for the street. Try and find some with 4.56 or 4.88 gears though.

ok definitely thanks...im gonna keep my eyes out for d30 cause i already have a ford 8.8 sittin here at my house

ok definitely thanks...im gonna keep my eyes out for d30 cause i already have a ford 8.8 sittin here at my house

ok definitely thanks...im gonna keep my eyes out for d30 cause i already have a ford 8.8 sittin here at my house

D30 is weaker than the stock IFS IIRC

Go 2 1/2 ton rockwells

ok definitely thanks...im gonna keep my eyes out for d30 cause i already have a ford 8.8 sittin here at my house



D30 = :rainbow:


:homer:

D30 is weaker than the stock IFS IIRC



Not really, you have to understand that a dana 30 is put under wranglers and cherokees with a 4.0 engine making double the hp and about 100 more torque. The cherokees and jeeps also weigh a tad more than a SWB montero.

A high pinion d30 from a cherokee is strong enough for a 150hp/200tq turbo 2.6 and 35s if you wheel it with common sense. Parts are cheap.

d30 SAS:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3829890/1987-dodge-raider

ok definitely thanks...im gonna keep my eyes out for d30 cause i already have a ford 8.8 sittin here at my house

what lug pattern? 5x5.5 or 5x4.5?
d30 are 5x4.5
d44 ford are 5x5.5


If you do decide on a d30 get a high pinion unit from a cherokee or try a find one with 4.88s or 4.56s gears for cheap.

Not really, you have to understand that a dana 30 is put under wranglers and cherokees with a 4.0 engine making double the hp and about 100 more torque. The cherokees and jeeps also weigh a tad more than a SWB montero.




I second the D30 is weaker than mitsu IFS, it´s more on par with a D44 so anything less than that is just silly:p And a 2 door 2.6 Montero weighs about 3300, a 2 door swb Tj with a 4.0 weighs about 3,230, a Yj sits right at 3000 and Xj´s start at 3000lbs for a short base model 4x4 then up to 3300 for the 4door. Having said that I have seen 2 YJ´s on oversized 31¨ tires:laughing: blow up their D30 with no locker on rutted dirt, but i do know a guy who has a TJ with 36" tires and no locker and his just barely broke after a few years of rock crawling. I Have seen the same number of broken CV´s on monteros and 1 stub shaft over the past 10 years of rock crawling montero´s with lockers, crawler gears and 35´s. Now i know a lot of people with jeeps on 31´s who have never broken an axle, but still Dana 30´s suck and they are narrow you´d be better off with Wagoneer axles.

I second the D30 is weaker than mitsu IFS, it´s more on par with a D44 so anything less than that is just silly:p And a 2 door 2.6 Montero weighs about 3300, a 2 door swb Tj with a 4.0 weighs about 3,230, a Yj sits right at 3000 and Xj´s start at 3000lbs for a short base model 4x4 then up to 3300 for the 4door. Having said that I have seen 2 YJ´s on oversized 31¨ tires:laughing: blow up their D30 with no locker on rutted dirt, but i do know a guy who has a TJ with 36" tires and no locker and his just barely broke after a few years of rock crawling. I Have seen the same number of broken CV´s on monteros and 1 stub shaft over the past 10 years of rock crawling montero´s with lockers, crawler gears and 35´s. Now i know a lot of people with jeeps on 31´s who have never broken an axle, but still Dana 30´s suck and they are narrow you´d be better off with Wagoneer axles.

Yea, in reality keep the Mitsu front and rear, bolt on a set of 33" tires 2" to 3" body lift and wheel it until something breaks. Could be a long time of fun ;-)

okk ill take al lthe into consideration but my buddy has a xj on a 3 1/2 lift stock axles no lockers welded rear on 36s and it holds up just fine havent broke anything yet and we rednecks here in redding,ca wheel our shit hard so eithier way idk ill take it all into considerations thanks for all the feedback

okk ill take al lthe into consideration but my buddy has a xj on a 3 1/2 lift stock axles no lockers welded rear on 36s and it holds up just fine havent broke anything yet and we rednecks here in redding,ca wheel our shit hard so eithier way idk ill take it all into considerations thanks for all the feedback

Must be a lot of fender trimming on that XJ to get 36" tires with a 3 1/2" lift. 6 1/2" lift on these clears a 35" (33" recommended) ...

Must be a lot of fender trimming on that XJ to get 36" tires with a 3 1/2" lift. 2 1/2" lift on these clears a 35" (33" recommended) ...
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yea the fenders are cut but nothin crazy and it clears them just fine 36 15.50 15s...and it flexs like no other with the quick disconnects off

hey guys i just had a question i picked up a 88 two door montero 4x4 and i wanna build it so what kinda axles do u recommend for it? Toyotas or chevy 10 bolts????? give me some ideas it would be much appreciatedWhat is so special about the Mitsubishi in comparison to Toyota and Nissan i hear they are not as strong as other Japanese vehicles and their aftermarket support is not as good.

What is so special about the Mitsubishi in comparison to Toyota and Nissan i hear they are not as strong as other Japanese vehicles and their aftermarket support is not as good.

What makes them so special? I think you answered your own question there..not every schmuck on the trail is running a Mitsu, and in the states there was never anything comparable to the SWB Gen I Montero ever offered by Toyo or Nissan........Not as Strong? I beg to differ...Aftermarket aftershhhmarket,,,just another thing that makes em "so special"

What is so special about the Mitsubishi in comparison to Toyota and Nissan i hear they are not as strong as other Japanese vehicles and their aftermarket support is not as good.

i have been out wheeling with both nissan and toyota's. it really seems about equal to me. at least when you are talking stock to slightly modded.

but those jeeps break like crazy. seem to see at least one cherokee with a broken rear axle every time i go out.

aftermarket support has dried up through tradition outlets but thank god for owners who have fab up great stuff in the forums. better than what is offered over the counter IMO.

What makes them so special? I think you answered your own question there..not every schmuck on the trail is running a Mitsu, and in the states there was never anything comparable to the SWB Gen I Montero ever offered by Toyo or Nissan........Not as Strong? I beg to differ...Aftermarket aftershhhmarket,,,just another thing that makes em "so special"So you are saying they are just as strong as Toyo and Nissan what about aftermarket support i own a Mit Lancer and i find them to be best bang for buck as far as room compare to toyo and nissan not too familiar with their 4x4 stuff. Only hear about them in the Paris to Dakkar races. Was looking at them as a cheap 4 door suv with good fuel economy.

So you are saying they are just as strong as Toyo and Nissan what about aftermarket support i own a Mit Lancer and i find them to be best bang for buck as far as room compare to toyo and nissan not too familiar with their 4x4 stuff. Only hear about them in the Paris to Dakkar races. Was looking at them as a cheap 4 door suv with good fuel economy.


Yea, thats what I'm saying..rear ends are very strong and the IFS is as tough as you'll find in any IFS as far as IFS goes...steering components like tie rods and steering box is beefier than Toy or Nissan in my opinion..

As far as the aftermarket goes, ARB makes lockers as well as the Aussie locker..you can fit 33 inch tires with minimal lift and 35's with a little massaging...so I dont see a need for it personnally...If you go auto, the trans is the same Aisin Warner unit used in toyota and some heep CHerokees..so that gives you the option of T-case upgrades if you want to take it that far...Get creative with it. Whining about a lack of aftermarket..is...well....for whiners:smokin:

Yea, thats what I'm saying..rear ends are very strong and the IFS is as tough as you'll find in any IFS as far as IFS goes...steering components like tie rods and steering box is beefier than Toy or Nissan in my opinion..

As far as the aftermarket goes, ARB makes lockers as well as the Aussie locker..you can fit 33 inch tires with minimal lift and 35's with a little massaging...so I dont see a need for it personnally...If you go auto, the trans is the same Aisin Warner unit used in toyota and some heep CHerokees..so that gives you the option of T-case upgrades if you want to take it that far...Get creative with it. Whining about a lack of aftermarket..is...well....for whiners:smokin:Thanks for the info, I was stationed overseas and had the chance to see the Evolution models. Mitsubishi has a unique look to them. I will look at the Montero sport , I have some narrowed and full width Dana 60s i could use if i decide to get crazy with it. How are the V6 engines.? A turbo diesel would be nice as well looking for fuel economy as well, not to many diesels in the sates like overseas.

as far as aftermarket goes you can get everything that can´t be easily fabbed like lockers, crawler gears and springs. The rest of the stuff you be better off fabbing up yourself or having a custom shop make for you like multi link suspensions, skid plates, bumpers (besides ARB if you have the money and that´s what you want), rock sliders and stuff like that. Even though Nissan, Jeep and Toyota have a larger aftermarket that stuff is not going to be as good as having something made locally by a good shop or by yourself. For example I have a friend who most of us on this forum know or know of (we´ll call him Lloyd :D ) who bought a new X-terra and then bought all the upgrade suspension from Calmini, those parts wore out or became unserviceable after the first real wheeling expedition/rockcrawl. I think most of that stuff is more for the casual wheeler or light duty use, nothing serious that you would even need a locker for in my opinion.

as far as aftermarket goes you can get everything that can´t be easily fabbed like lockers, crawler gears and springs. The rest of the stuff you be better off fabbing up yourself or having a custom shop make for you like multi link suspensions, skid plates, bumpers (besides ARB if you have the money and that´s what you want), rock sliders and stuff like that. Even though Nissan, Jeep and Toyota have a larger aftermarket that stuff is not going to be as good as having something made locally by a good shop or by yourself. For example I have a friend who most of us on this forum know or know of (we´ll call him Lloyd :D ) who bought a new X-terra and then bought all the upgrade suspension from Calmini, those parts wore out or became unserviceable after the first real wheeling expedition/rockcrawl. I think most of that stuff is more for the casual wheeler or light duty use, nothing serious that you would even need a locker for in my opinion.I am sold on the Mitsubishi, I like the new shape Montero sport, also looking at the Outlander. One thing about the Mitsubishi they have a unique look to the you also get alot of car for the money. I own a Lancer, when you compare it to a Honda civic you get a bigger car for less money, same goes for their 4x4s as well.

Yea, thats what I'm saying..rear ends are very strong and the IFS is as tough as you'll find in any IFS as far as IFS goes...steering components like tie rods and steering box is beefier than Toy or Nissan in my opinion..

As far as the aftermarket goes, ARB makes lockers as well as the Aussie locker..you can fit 33 inch tires with minimal lift and 35's with a little massaging...so I dont see a need for it personnally...If you go auto, the trans is the same Aisin Warner unit used in toyota and some heep CHerokees..so that gives you the option of T-case upgrades if you want to take it that far...Get creative with it. Whining about a lack of aftermarket..is...well....for whiners:smokin:Found a few montero sports for sale in my local area would the latest year be the best year to own?

97-99 have optional air locker rear but they are all leaf sprung, the 00-04 are coil sprung and open diff. so it's really your choice, i personally like the coil models better because lockers are cheaper and easier to install than link suspension. The other thing about sports is that they are not montero's despite their name they are actually SUV variants of the L200/Strada/Triton pickups, the only things montero on them are badges and differentials.

97-99 have optional air locker rear but they are all leaf sprung, the 00-04 are coil sprung and open diff. so it's really your choice, i personally like the coil models better because lockers are cheaper and easier to install than link suspension. The other thing about sports is that they are not montero's despite their name they are actually SUV variants of the L200/Strada/Triton pickups, the only things montero on them are badges and differentials.I found a 2000 Montero Sport 4x4 Limited with the 3.5 24 valve engine 166,000 miles auto transmission dealer wants $4500 plus tax and tag was a trade in. What is everyone opinion?