: Tow Rig


Hooper
11-10-2002, 08:53 AM
Well, I am no longer monogamous. Bought my second IH yesterday. Figure it will be my tow rig, once I get a car trailer. then I can be a true trailer queen and get the lower gears in my pumpkins that I want.

It is a 1974 IH 200 Camper Special. 154K on the odometer. Been sitting in a barn for 3 years. Put a new battery in, cranked her over for a few minutes, then added spark poured a little gas down the carb and boom she fired right up. Big 4bbl carb on her. Rear dump on the exhaust manifold. Engine was rebuilt less than 500 miles ago. 392 engine, TF 727 tranny (I think, it was dark in the barn and hard to see. It was parked with hay bales along each side, so I had about 8 inches to squeeze between the hay bales and the sides.

8000lb GVW rating. Someone had pulled the bed and put in a big steel flatbed. Comes complete with a cattle gate. Already has a nice strong towing setup on it. DBig under the backside. Big overload springs as well. Looks like IFS up front..? Sliding rear window. Big curved front window. Front windshield is cracked but intact. all the rest of the glass is there. Old farm bias tires on it. Original IH clock, IH radio, IH everything. Couple dents in the roof, but they should pop out. One small dent in the passenger fender. Saddlebag gas tanks. FF rear axle (big monster housing)

Tranny is very tight. Foot on the brake, gave it gas, and could not get the tranny to slip. Brakes are not frozen and hold the truck well with truck in gear and a few rpm's, also stop the truck sharp. Couldn't road test it, because it was blocked in the barn by someones old red chevy, but the chevy is supposed to be moved this week so I can bring her home.

Hood latch is broken and opens using a coat hanger from the front. Interior upholstery is torn on one side. Front windshield pillars are rusty and will need some repair. Paint on the bed is chipped and rusty. Wood of the rear deck has a couple holes.

She is no beauty, but she looks like a purebred workhorse. Should be just what I have been looking for as a work truck/tow rig.

I didn't get it as well as tom scores most of his, but I only paid $300 for it, and since I have the receipts for the engine work totalling more than $2k, it is a steal. Plus, to go along with it, I got a new high lift jack, 100 feet of 1/2" wire rope, a large D-Ring, 3 sledge hammers, etc.

Tires are old biased monsters. Fair amount of tread on the rear, but the front is getting thin. Figure a set of retreads for her. Put some chains on her, and she ought to be a great christmas tree getter.... I could really stack the trees in there!!! Only 2wd, but I suppose if Iwere ambitious I could do a 4wd conversion. Now THAT would be cool. The ultimate Scoutmobile. Think how much camping gear I could get on this thing!!!

Didn't get any pictures of her. Too dark. But, I hope to drag her out this week and get her home. Wash some of the three years of dust and dirt off her and see how she looks. Seems like a sweet diamond in the rough to me.

Now on to my tech content.

Figure her to be a tow rig for the Hooper truck. Car trailer is obviously the best. But what are the cons of using a single axle dolly... Extra wear on the rear wheel bearings and diff.... can't tow it with the rear wheels on the ground if I break an axle.. can a tow dolly be used with the rear on the dolly and the front on the ground? But, there is some weight savings, although I would think this tow rig definitely has the towing capacity...

Once I get the pictures uploaded, you will see how ugly she is. A true farm truck. But, that is exactly what I have been wanting to get. A strong utility work truck, for a great price.

Scout Dude
11-10-2002, 09:03 AM
Dolly and flat tow = no additional braking

Trailer= 1 or 2 axles helping with brakes.

wheelinjp
11-10-2002, 10:20 AM
Hey I have a divorced np 205 and a d44/14b 4.10 axle pair. You would just need to fab and front springs. Didnt the IH 2wds some with leaves up front? Probably not that new. I could sell all that to you for $600.00

uglyscout
11-10-2002, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Hooper
Now on to my tech content.

Figure her to be a tow rig for the Hooper truck. Car trailer is obviously the best. But what are the cons of using a single axle dolly... Extra wear on the rear wheel bearings and diff.... can't tow it with the rear wheels on the ground if I break an axle.. can a tow dolly be used with the rear on the dolly and the front on the ground? But, there is some weight savings, although I would think this tow rig definitely has the towing capacity...

Once I get the pictures uploaded, you will see how ugly she is. A true farm truck. But, that is exactly what I have been wanting to get. A strong utility work truck, for a great price.

I would not recommend a tow dolly for towing a scout... Most dollies are only rated for 3500 pounds and a scout hits that in it's sleep... Also you can't back up with most dollies - A real PITA. And you don't get any trailer brakes.

As for putting the rear of your scout on the dolly and towing it taht would - it can be done - just be sure to lock the steering wheel straight and insure that it can not move. If you add a 3rd pivot point to the dolly set up your screwed (the dolly pivots on the trailer hitch, the vehicle pivots on the dolly where the wheels are strapped down). I have seen it done with disaterous results! I worked at Uhaul for 3 years during college and I was always amazed at what people did...

Scoutaholic
11-10-2002, 03:52 PM
Sound like a cool tow rig. I'm going to have to come check her out when you get her home.:)

tsm1mt
11-10-2002, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Hooper
Well, I am no longer monogamous.
It is a 1974 IH 200 Camper Special.


Welcome to the club, Patty! Congratulations!


Big 4bbl carb on her. Rear dump on the exhaust


Should be a ThermoQuad spread-bore.


ago. 392 engine, TF 727 tranny (I think, it was


if it's a slushbox, it's a 727.. or someone got really creative on you (and being a Farm truck, that could be...)


8000lb GVW rating. Looks like IFS up front..? Sliding rear window.


Two pieces (two half) sliding rear window, right?

IFS up front. Coils, A-arms, strut-rod. Nice ride.


Original IH clock, IH radio, IH everything.


A/C? My clock is broken..

Roof is a single-layer, so once you get the headliner down you should be able to pop any dents out.

FF rear axle (big monster housing)



RA-15? Big, round diff cover, removeable 3rd member like a big Ford 9"?


Hood latch is broken and opens using a coat hanger from the front.


Sure about that, Pat? The factory hood latch is a rod that runs striaght up/down behind the grille that you pull on. ;)


I didn't get it as well as tom scores most of his, but I only paid $300 for it,


$300 with a new motor.. beats the $1000 I paid for mine.. but then, mine's 9000 GVWR and a crewcab. :D


Only 2wd, but I suppose if Iwere ambitious I could do a 4wd conversion. Now THAT would be cool. The ultimate Scoutmobile. Think how much camping gear I could get on this thing!!!


Don't worry, Pat.. you WILL be doing a 4x4 conversion sooner or later..


Figure her to be a tow rig for the Hooper truck. Car trailer is obviously the best. But what are the cons of using a single axle dolly... Extra wear on


IMO, a dolly buys you NOTHING over a tow-bar, other than you can strap anything down to the dolly without holes or bolts. It doesn't tow any better than a tow-bar, and IMHO, the tow-bar tows better.

Drop $100-$150 (or build) and buy a tow-bar and add some tow-bar brackets to your front bumper.

Another $50 for some magnetic lights, and you're in business.

You *should* disconnect the rear 'shaft when flat-towing, OR run with the t'case in Neutral and the front hubs locked.. but since you don't run a front CV, that's not advisable.

But, there is some weight savings, although I would think this tow rig definitely has the towing capacity...

Not only that, but it probably has the brake capacity, too.

I can stop my 12,500lbs of truck, trailer, and Scout just fine without my trailer brakes (lost 'em one run). Just a little extra pedal effort, but it still stops GREAT.

Get your lineset and see if you have "4140" front brake option. That means you have Dana 60 hardware up front (calipers, pads). Stops great.

Now, here's the downside..

Parts are NO LONGER AVAILABLE for that IFS front end. In particular, the front rotors are not available at any price. BE KIND to your front rotors.

When they're worn out, convert it to 4x4. Get the steering box, springs, hangers, and optionally the front axle from a 74-75 4x4 truck and it's a bolt in affair. Same with the NP205 and assorted stuff.

Why do you think I'm converting my Travelette to 4x4? I was happy with a 2wd 1T tow-rig.. but I wasn't happy to find out the front rotors are worn beyond turning, though not to the "danger, Will Robinson" stage yet..

So I'm doing the 4x4 and Dana 60F conversion because I fell in love with my braking ability.

Just pulled the tranny x-member out of the donor truck.. still need to grab the NP205 and brackets and then cut up what's left.

Then put the gears in the 60, clean everything up, and get ready for the swap..

I really like my pair of '74 pickups though. Great trucks.

Congratulations, Patty.

PICS!!

makkat
11-10-2002, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by tsm1mt


Welcome to the club, Patty! Congratulations!

Sure has been a lot of 200's showing up lately.


Should be a ThermoQuad spread-bore.



Just checked my 74/5 service manual and it shows the ThermoQuad.



Two pieces (two half) sliding rear window, right?



I am starting to think the slider was a part of the "camper Special" package. Every one I have seen has the 2-window split slider.


RA-15? Big, round diff cover, removeable 3rd member like a big Ford 9"?



I would think that with the 8k GVW that it is only a 60, unless it is the RA-15 without overloads.


Rear dump on the exhaust manifold.



Oh yea, start saving for headers! :flipoff2:

tsm1mt
11-10-2002, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by makkat

Sure has been a lot of 200's showing up lately.


Suddenly they're everywhere.. and I don't have room to store all the freebies any more. :D


I am starting to think the slider was a part of the "camper Special" package. Every one I have seen has the 2-window split slider.


Seems that way. I've just been looking to see if anyone has a 4-pane (center opening) slider.. like the 200 I'm scrapping had. I DON'T believe this slider was stock though..


I would think that with the 8k GVW that it is only a 60, unless it is the RA-15 without overloads.


Well, I was going on Pat's FF rear axle (big monster housing)

A Dana 60 doesn't count as "Monster", Mark. :D

I know most of the 7700 GVWRs got the '60 rear.. not sure on the 8K.. but that is probably a bit low for an RA-15.. since the RA-15 is rated at 7500 alone. :D

60 was rated at 5500lbs.. assuming the 3500lbs IFS front, that'd make 9K in axle ratings.

My 9K has 4000lbs front and 7500lbs rear for 11,500lbs total'd..but it's only rated 9k (so you can load the rig without worrying too much about "balancing" it out across both axles)

I wonder what the 'smallest' truck you could get an RA-15 in was..


Oh yea, start saving for headers! :flipoff2:

Or, Pat can buy my manifolds.. I have a few extras.. especially once my headers get delivered. :D

makkat
11-10-2002, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by tsm1mt

A Dana 60 doesn't count as "Monster", Mark. :D



Well, it is compared to the front 30's he kept breaking....oh wait that was Rustoleum that thought a 30 was good for wheeling!:p

Sully
11-11-2002, 08:02 AM
So where the heck are our pics?

C'mon Hooper, of all people, I'd have expected you to have at least one poser shot of it to post up alread! ;)

scoutver5.7
11-11-2002, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by Hooper
Car trailer is obviously the best. But what are the cons of using a single axle dolly... Extra wear on the rear wheel bearings and diff.... can't tow it with the rear wheels on the ground if I break an axle.. can a tow dolly be used with the rear on the dolly and the front on the ground? But, there is some weight savings, although I would think this tow rig definitely has the towing capacity....

Ya now have the perfect tow vehicle and now ya wanna fork it up with a dolly?:flipoff2:

Get a friggin' gooseneck!:flipoff2:

Snoopy
11-11-2002, 09:28 AM
No pictures? Com'on!

RustoleumWhite
11-11-2002, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by makkat


Well, it is compared to the front 30's he kept breaking....oh wait that was Rustoleum that thought a 30 was good for wheeling!:p


hey!! :flipoff2:


nothing wrong with a 30... I just learned to drive past its abilities.


44's been treating me well.... RC44 coming soon.... someday.... *maybe* a 60....



Allot of the racers around here actualy use D30s and D27's :eek:, even closed knuckle!!, aperently they hold up just fine. I'll be D44 thankyou...

Hooper
11-11-2002, 03:02 PM
Reminds me. Kind of odd.

While getting it to start, I had the starter cranking for 10 15 sec at a time. Then we would stop, fiddle, and try again. After about 10 minutes, it finally started. Died. Started again, and ran. I let it idle for about 10 minutes (only had to feather the gas pedal for about 30 seconds or so before it smoothed out and idled, not bad for sitting for 2-3 years.)

In any case, once it started and idled a while, I shut it off and got ready to leave. Thought I would fire it up one last time to see how hard she was to start after running for a few minutes.

To my dismay, all I got was a whir. Sounds like the starter is not engaging.

Not the screech you get from gummed up teeth on the flexplate. This was just click, whiiiiirrrrrrrr, as long as I held the key in crank.


Sound like a stuck bendix gear? Odd that it cranked and cranked, but once it ran, the bendix gear then stuck and not before.

Sound like the kind of thing a couple taps on the starter will fix? Don't really want to swap starters laying in that stinky old barn... with no light etc...

Chief yelling alot
11-11-2002, 10:31 PM
hmmm I have a simeler starter problem

If i start it and the moter catces for like 1 sec the starter weeers so I have to let it stop and then start all over untill it fires on all 8 and runs cuz as soon ans the engine powers the statres its all over :confused: