Hey Bob, tried to Email this to you, but your acct is inactive. Found a early 70's? Winnebago at the boneyard. On the air cleaner it had factory decals that said: Premium 413, 265hp, Runs on regular gas. Wondering its value as a rebuild core? I would just turn it around on Ebay or something. Odo says 98,000 miles. I know you have posted on the virtues of 413's

Did you send it to:
naohbob@attbi.com?

The 413HD is a fine motor It's the same as a 426 wedge or 440. By premium it will have a steel crank and sodium cooled valves. It may be the super duty engine with the counter rotating cam shaft. Very rare! It would make a fine Scout mill.

The boss wasn't in at the yard to give me a price on it, I will get back there in a couple of days. Can you tell me where to go to research more s/n info and such to positivly identify what it is? The address I used was your pirate one I got off the BB.

Thanks
Helmer

I had to shut down my Pirate mail. To many BB dans asking fawked up questions.

The 413HD is a truck engine, very much the same as our 345/392 s are. It had some trick things done to the heads to make them last under full throttle for extended periods of time. There truck heads are not high performance heads! The lower end is very beefy, but the 413HD's crank will never be a racer. The 413 has a stroke of 3.70 and the 426 and 440 are 3.75. The 413Hd crank is a special forging and has larger counter weights because they used heaver con rods. The HD con rod is very similar to the 440 six pac rod, It has a much wider beam. There is a cast in boss opposite the distributor, the model # and cubic inch displacement will be stamped on this boss. See pic of my boat motor. HTH

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/uploads/boat440.JPG

Hey, Old Scout, do you have the numbers for the different 413's? I have a 1966 Mopar Crate 413. It was put in an imperial when the block cracked on the orignal motor. only had 55k miles and right now am keeping it for a swap. Just wanted to see if you have the numbers. If so, i will go run out and write them down. Dunno if it will end up in my power wagon or my lowered 2wd street truck.

Garrett

I have no #'s for ya. I tried the imposable a few years ago. I tried to build a reverse rotation 500hp 440. The special engine division of Chrysler built all of the marine engines, max wedge engines, HD and factory race stuff.

I was put in touch will one of the old engineers from the special engine division by Ray Mancini Racing . I picked his brain for about an half hour and found out about little known factory parts like these:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/uploads/440gears.jpg

There is little known about the 413HD because it wasn't very popular here is the states. Most were attached to gen sets and set over to Vietnam.I found a few of these generators in Texas. The ones that were kept here were put in 1.5ton trucks. Most buyers of 1.5 ton dodge trucks went for diesel not gas.
Dodge Diesel 500 link: http://www.sweptline.com/hist/pd500.jpg
Winnebago bought the surplus from Chrysler when Chrysler was in financial hardship in in the 70's.

Hey Chi does the motor home look like this?http://www.alpinesurvival.com/Voyager-PH-FRONT-2.JPG

Not quite like that one, this one had steel spokers and a little less lift;)

Actually it was a little cruder looking, all the edges were sharper as the exterior was made of 3/4 inch ply with the aluminum skin. Big old W painted on the side.

you have any links for me to look into my 413 crate motor? and find any more info on it??

thanks

Garrett

I have never heard of a 413 crate.

Hick, look on the side of the block it will have a part number and it might even have a cast date.

My Scout 440 with P/N and cast date.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Old Scout
[B]I have no #'s for ya. I tried the imposable a few years ago. I tried to build a reverse rotation 500hp 440. The special engine division of Chrysler built all of the marine engines, max wedge engines, HD and factory race stuff.

I was put in touch will one of the old engineers from the special engine division by Ray Mancini Racing . I picked his brain for about an half hour and found out about little known factory parts like these:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/uploads/440gears.jpg

There is little known about the 413HD because it wasn't very popular here is the states. Most were attached to gen sets and set over to Vietnam.I found a few of these generators in Texas. The ones that were kept here were put in 1.5ton trucks. Most buyers of 1.5 ton dodge trucks went for diesel not gas.
Dodge Diesel 500 link:
speaking of Vietnam, my Dad run river boats, he said his had twin chryslers in his, they were probably 413"s then, he said he played tug of war with a big duece and ahalf and drug him in the river once. sounds like impressive power.

I keep all the boats in the family running and my sister/b-in-law have a 1963 Century Coronado with a factory 426 Chrysler wedge. It's all stock and rated at 375hp, the chebby BB available that year was 310! Chrysler Marine engines rock!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/uploads/maxine.jpg

i tired my best to get some pics of the block, OS, where by the distrubitor are there any numbers? I didnt see any. SInce my engine is in the back of the garage, behing alot of stuff, on an engine stand, i wasent able to take a pic of the part number next to the build date, but i was able to get the # off of the other side, right there next to the Mopar Crate Short block tag (red tag). part number 0232.

Garrett

Build date. I was told the engine was put in the car in 66, but i guess it had to have been 65. Block must have cracked early.

Only info i can find so far is that the engine is a 59-65 range 413 RB big block (but obviously is a 4/65 motor ) Anyone know where i can look for any more info? I am guessing this is just another imperial motor from 65 that chrysler slapped a crate motor tag on.

Garrett

Originally posted by Hick
Build date. I was told the engine was put in the car in 66, but i guess it had to have been 65. Block must have cracked early.
Chrysler use to let the engine blocks cure for 12 months before using them. That engine would not have been used until about mid 1966.

My 1965 Chrysler parts book calls that a "short engine" and says it came complete less accessories. The model number on the tag in the picture is hard to read but should be 0232? The 0232 was sold under the part number 2532 683 and was replacement 413 for Dodge cars and Chrysler Imperials from 1962-65. The factory retail price was $420 and the net price was $344 in 1965.

The short engines and replacement blocks were shipped with blank number bosses on the front pad. The dealers were responsable for the correct application of numbers.

Sounds like a SR motor. The car must of had engine problems and that was the warranty short installed by the dealer or a "Service Replacement" ( SR)

yeah, the number is 0232. My grandmother was the orignal owner of the car, so yes, it did have engine problems (the engine mount on the block cracked off). it was totaled in the early 70's with 55k miles on it (grandmother rear ended someone when the throttle got stuck). the car was parted out, and the engine, tranny, and some other parts never sold, thus i have them now. Only problem is the engine was reved to aprox. 12k rpm during the accedent, so i have a full rebuild kit.
So does this engine basically put out the exact smae power, and is the exact same motor as a 65 413?


thanks
Garrett

Originally posted by Hick

So does this engine basically put out the exact smae power, and is the exact same motor as a 65 413?


Yes.

The greenish blue engine color indicates it is a standard performance engine. A passenger car HP engine would have been painted orange from the factory.

Originally posted by Scouter

Chrysler use to let the engine blocks cure for 12 months before using them.

whay is that

what happens to the block over 12 months :confused:


does it become harder or somthing

I thought cast was cast once it cooled it stayed the same :confused:

So how much power does this engine make? And any cheap mods to make it put out a wee bit more power during the rebuild? Also, is it better off in my lowered street truck, or my wheeling rig?

Originally posted by Hick
So how much power does this engine make? And any cheap mods to make it put out a wee bit more power during the rebuild? Also, is it better off in my lowered street truck, or my wheeling rig?

Looks like 340-360 HP stock.**
http://www.carnut.com/specs/gen/_chry60.html

Speed cost money how fast do you want to go?

Need the casting # from your heads. The lower end can handle 450hp with little work.


**Remember these are pre change over on SAE output specs.

The greenish blue engine color indicates it is a standard performance engine. A passenger car HP engine would have been painted orange from the factory.

only '68 - '71 hp BB motors were street hemi orange i believe. ;)

Originally posted by FULLSIZE


only '68 - '71 hp BB motors were street hemi orange i believe. ;)
Nope. The orange started in 1962 with the 413 Max Wedge.

426 Max Wedge in it's factory orange.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/gallery/sema02/agc

The orange monster.
http://www.maxwedge.com/orangemonster.html

hmmm. saw a bunch of '66-'67 375 horse 440 cars in the concures classes at a car show. guess they sprayed um orange then turquise then orange. guess i should stick to small blocks :flipoff2:

i'd like to bring this thread back for a quick question..........
i have a 70' 413 connected to i believe a load flight auto.
can anyone tell me more, or where to find any info on it???
bought in a s-10 long story, thought of selling it but everyone says they are boat anchors..............thanks

Originally posted by 75F100
i'd like to bring this thread back for a quick question..........
i have a 70' 413 connected to i believe a load flight auto.
can anyone tell me more, or where to find any info on it???
bought in a s-10 long story, thought of selling it but everyone says they are boat anchors..............thanks

A 1970 413? let me guess , out of a Winnebago? Btw the loadflight is just a truck Torqueflight aka 727.

There is nothing wrong with the engine and it can make serious power with a head swap. The motor-home heads don't flow all that well , but have a water passage around the spark plug to withstand WOT for extended periods. Would work find in a low RPM wheeler or tow rig.