Just got off the phone with someone "in the know" at BFG. They told me that there will be 3 different Krawlers released in MARCH, 2003:

A 35" molded Krawler
A 37" Carve-it-yourself Krawler
A 37" Pre carved/molded Krawler.

Prices are not available yet.
You heard it here first. :cool2:

schaweetness!!

march 2002....:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Chrisjeep7
march 2002....:rolleyes:

What you talking about? :flipoff2:

that was funny...

geez Lance, why doesn't it say "this post was last edited by Lance blah blah..." at the bottom??

Goodyear will have 40"s out by then!:flipoff2:

I think the 35 will be 35x13.5 R15 from what I understand.

turd is still a 40" turd:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Go2Guy
turd is still a 40" turd:flipoff2:

bawahahahaha :D

Go2Guy turd is still a 40" turd

You hit the nail on the head man!:D

So will the uncut 37's be any cheaper than the molded ones? Or will the more rubber more $$ play come into effect.

whoohoo my junk yous be ready for some rubber by that point, I am also curious on prices?

for costs i am going to estimate a preliminary cost of MTRs*1.5, slowly dropping to a slightly elevated price above MTRs.

i think they look like cool tires. but at the price that i am predicting not something i would try out until they were proven to be better than swampers here in the northeast.

and no, i dont care that they may be better than swampers out west :D

Lance, did they give you the width and rim demensions? I heard the 35" was gonna be 13.5" wide, not sure about other rim sizes either.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Lance
Just got off the phone with someone "in the know" at BFG. They told me that there will be 3 different Krawlers released in MARCH, 2003:

A 35" molded Krawler
A 37" Carve-it-yourself Krawler
A 37" Pre carved/molded Krawler.

Prices are not available yet.
You heard it here first. :cool2:


March huh. Maybe they'll bring some of those out to Safari
March 1st and let people try them out for the day. They did
that this last March with some of thier other tires. That would
be saaweeeet.:D :D :D

I want a Damn 40inch Krawler!!!:mad: :D

the krawlers are radials right? are they going to be a decent street tire for a DD? or are the MTRs still the way to go for street/trail use?

I hope they make a 40"x15-17"x15"
BTW WTF is with all this 17" wheel BS, IMO they would sell more tires with a 15" wheel size tire
See if you can use more intial things in one sentance :rolleyes:

Originally posted by BrettM
the krawlers are radials right? are they going to be a decent street tire for a DD? or are the MTRs still the way to go for street/trail use?


Street tire for a DD???? I have MTR's and they're nice on the
street. I figure the Krawlers should be okay if the rubber compound
is similiar to the MTR's. If the compound is a lot softer the wear
mileage will suck. I haven't seen any comparisons on the compounds
yet, so IMO the jury is still out.

Originally posted by rEdNEcKwHeE1eR
I hope they make a 40"x15-17"x15"
BTW WTF is with all this 17" wheel BS, IMO they would sell more tires with a 15" wheel size tire
See if you can use more intial things in one sentance :rolleyes:

The reason for the bigger rim sizing is to reduce the amount of sidewall area, which inturn will allow the tire to track correctly during turns when run a lower psi's. Less roll overof the sidewall.
Rich

Originally posted by rEdNEcKwHeE1eR
I hope they make a 40"x15-17"x15"
BTW WTF is with all this 17" wheel BS, IMO they would sell more tires with a 15" wheel size tire
See if you can use more intial things in one sentance :rolleyes:
they are more worried about winning comp's then selling tires, even if they made them with 15" wheels they wouldnt even add a small blip to there sales compared to all there other tires.

Originally posted by SanDiegoCJ
I haven't seen any comparisons on the compounds yet, so IMO the jury is still out.


The compound should be softer than an MTR (people have run the proposed production compound -or very similar- already).

Originally posted by rEdNEcKwHeE1eR
I hope they make a 40"x15-17"x15"
BTW WTF is with all this 17" wheel BS, IMO they would sell more tires with a 15" wheel size tire
See if you can use more intial things in one sentance :rolleyes:

IT'S CALLED A FAWKIN ACRONYM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the reason for the taller rim size is to make the tire perform better on the rocks in comp. Shorter sidewall = more precise steering when overcoming low pressure, front lockers, lots of power, etc.

They are not selling this tire to the guy that won't pony up the cash to swap from his 15" rims for 17," they are selling it to the guy who will drop a couple grand MORE than he would on swampers in order to have the best tires for competition.

Fawk whats be next 20 inch "dubs" on comp rigs:rolleyes:
Yeah, an acronym, I just coulnt think of the word, I am so very sorry you have my most humble appologys sire:flipoff2:

Not only does the 17" design improve steering according to the BFG peps, you loose less height when you air down, but still retain the ability for the tire to wrap.

So hmm, improved more precise control, less loss of ground clearance.

But I guess ol Redneck does want to buy new wheels for his mall cruiser :flipoff2:

Funny, the guy at the booth told me that same info about the tyres, but also the price when first released will be around 300-325$per tire, but shorlty after due to expanded production they are shooting to compete with goodyear and be around 190-215$ per tire!
:flipoff2:

....shooting to compete with goodyear and be around 190-215$ per tire!

Now that I can do! But, its early and the rumor mill/dis-information level is high.

all I got to say is this....How many 37's do they think they are going to sell. I mean I don't know about the rest of you but I'm waiting on the 39/40's, I'm not screwin around when I know something better is going to be out on the market soon. For some the 37 will be great but once you reach the 37" class size why not wait and run the bigger tire? makes sense to me. Here's an example (Bigdude no offense), why get 37" krawlers to replace the new 38 TSL when next year you can get the bigger Krawlers? One you already got new tires and rims, 2- that 60 front is going to beat the shit out of stuff a lot more with 37's. I'd wait.

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
Here's an example (Bigdude no offense), why get 37" krawlers to replace the new 38 TSL when next year you can get the bigger Krawlers? One you already got new tires and rims, 2- that 60 front is going to beat the shit out of stuff a lot more with 37's. I'd wait.

Why not get them :confused:

1) The 37" Krawler will work much better than my TSLs
2) The 37" Krawlers are taller than my 38x12.5 TSLs, which measure a whopping 35.5" tall at 5 psi)
3) It only costs me the set of wheels I ordered yesterday (which I got a :smokin: deal on)

You can pass up tires that work better than your current ones all you want, I'm not :)

the krawlers are radials right? are they going to be a decent street tire for a DD? or are the MTRs still the way to go for street/trail use?

There really is no difference between the Krawler and the MTRs on the street. In 5 months I have driven about 4k street miles on a set of Krawlers and they still have about 80% to 90% of the tread. This includes trail wear, we go out every or every other weekend.

Well in that case, I wouldn't pass up free tires either:eek:

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
all I got to say is this....How many 37's do they think they are going to sell. I mean I don't know about the rest of you but I'm waiting on the 39/40's, I'm not screwin around when I know something better is going to be out on the market soon. For some the 37 will be great but once you reach the 37" class size why not wait and run the bigger tire? makes sense to me. Here's an example (Bigdude no offense), why get 37" krawlers to replace the new 38 TSL when next year you can get the bigger Krawlers? One you already got new tires and rims, 2- that 60 front is going to beat the shit out of stuff a lot more with 37's. I'd wait.

I think for many rigs that are driven on the street the 37 is about as large as practical. Getting the clearance for 40's in a package that can be driven on the street has lots of problems to over come.

On rock buggies with little or no fenders I think 40's are going to become common place, but I still see a market for 35 & 37 for those rigs that are still driven on the street.

I know there are a few rigs running 40+ on the street but I don't think this will be all that common.

From the BFG web site

http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/bfgapp/news/press_release/11052002D.jsp


November 5, 2002
BFGoodrich® Tires Introduces Krawler T/A®KX
Multi-Championship-Winning Tire Will Be Available Early in 2003
Las Vegas, NV

The BFGoodrich® Krawler T/A® KX, the tire that has already made a name for itself in rock crawling competition, will be available to consumers early next year. Initially, two sizes will be offered – a 35x13.50R15 and a 37x12.50R17. The 17-inch dimension will come in two versions.

In an innovative move, BFG will offer one of those versions with a partial tread design, leaving about 50 percent of the tread area to be custom grooved by the consumer. This tire is intended for those who participate in extreme rock crawling and off-roading, and who want their vehicles to reflect their distinctive styles and needs. The other version, which is the same as the 15-inch size, features a full tread design made up of huge, aggressive lugs for maximum traction. It can be run as-is, or "fine tuned" for specific applications.

"The response to prototype versions of the Krawler T/A KX has been extraordinary," said Scott Dishman, marketing manager for BFGoodrich light-truck tires. "We worked hard to develop the ultimate tire that would provide drivers with the unique traction capabilities and exceptional durability they need in rock crawling. Given our success in competition and the overwhelmingly positive comments we're getting from those who've had a chance to run the tire, I'd say our engineers hit another home run."

In true BFG style of using competition in the final development phase for new products, engineers used feedback from those who tested prototype tires in a range of extreme conditions to refine the Krawler T/A KX's performance and durability.

"Real-world testing is so important," Dishman said. "We have a 30-plus-year history of using the knowledge we gain from motorsports and from testing in the extreme to give true enthusiasts the authentic performance they want."

Besides providing valuable technical information, teams running the Krawler T/A® KX were awesome in competition. They capped a very successful season by sweeping the top three spots in the Unlimited Class at the inaugural running of The SuperCrawl World Championships in Farmington, N.M., a by-invitation-only event, which attracted a field of 106 competitors.

In regular series' events, teams using BFGoodrich tires this season have won six championships so far and 22 of a possible 37 class wins.

Credit for the Krawler T/A KX's performance goes to the tire's construction and design features including:
Huge, aggressive lugs in the tread and sidewall areas for traction and resistance to punctures and bruising. They also enhance the tire's ability to grab and maintain grip in the full complement of rocks and rough terrain that make up the courses in rock crawling.
A four-ply race-proven nylon carcass with slightly angled alternate plies for increased puncture resistance.
Two lightweight-steel belts, which enhance the tire's ability to flex over rocks for optimum traction.
A specially formulated tri-polymer tread compound tuned for extraordinary traction and toughness that provides optimum grip and control on rocks and hard-packed dirt.
BFGoodrich® tires, made for people looking to take control of the driving experience, combine technological expertise with the experience gained in motorsports to offer a traction advantage for almost every type of vehicle and driving preference.

Dude you guys have it all wrong these tires aren't about competition, look at the superduty market hum 17's, hum a radial for those yeppie preppy's. Look at the big picture... We don't make a dent in their market. BFG thinks their responsable for all their success, don't get me wrong the tire works great but the drivers on them can do just as well on a wal-mart x-brand and thats the truth jack.

Originally posted by smalltimewheeler
Dude you guys have it all wrong these tires aren't about competition, look at the superduty market hum 17's, hum a radial for those yeppie preppy's. Look at the big picture... We don't make a dent in their market. BFG thinks their responsable for all their success, don't get me wrong the tire works great but the drivers on them can do just as well on a wal-mart x-brand and thats the truth jack.

Who the hell are you? Tracy Jordan or something? :rolleyes:

:flipoff2:

Don't know what your talking about King of all spotters. Lets go wheeln...Are you going to be at prorock this weekend???

Originally posted by smalltimewheeler
Are you going to be at prorock this weekend???

Yep. I'm spotting for Kathy. :beer: :beer: :beer:

Originally posted by jdjanda
Not only does the 17" design improve steering according to the BFG peps, you loose less height when you air down, but still retain the ability for the tire to wrap.

So hmm, improved more precise control, less loss of ground clearance.

But I guess ol Redneck does want to buy new wheels for his mall cruiser :flipoff2:

Not to mention the fact that you don't have to run a stupid offset to clear the brakes on your front 60.

Originally posted by jdjanda
From the BFG web site

This tire is intended for those who participate in extreme rock crawling and off-roading, and who want their vehicles to reflect their distinctive styles and needs.


Sweet, now we are going to have mallcruiser/show trucks with EXTREME grooved Krawlers to reflect their distintive style

carve it yourself... i like the sound of that but I want some 40"