how many of you out there running a sagnaw pump would be interested in an ez $40 part that you could drop into the back of the pump that would boost the presure and the volume? they would be available for both the old style ones and the newer ones that have the remote resavour (or a small plastic one ie:tj's)
probable specs would be about 1500psi and 1-2 gpm more than stock.
this would be great for hydro asist aplications. you would esentaly be converting your pump to the same thing as the pump that agr sells w/ the rock ram.

im trying to see if there would be enough of a market to push this with my boss....

Are you talking about replacing the fitting in the back of the pump with one that has been modified similar to what is outlined on West Texas Off Road's site? Or is this a total custom deal?

Pete

Can this be added to the "homebrew" mods for more perssure / volume?

If so, definately YES

I would have to say hel yes

Sounds promising!:skull:

NOPE!:flipoff2:

:D You got my interest.

Originally posted by T1H5_TA3

probable specs would be 2200-2500psi and 1-2 gpm more than stock.
this would be great for hydro asist aplications. you would esentaly be converting your pump to the same thing as the pump that agr sells w/ the rock ram.




You will not get 2200 to 2500 psi from an oem pump. The oem ps box will die with that much pressure applied. The agr superpump is the exact same (minus the pully attachment method) as a standard pump, which is also the same as a hydroboost pump. I just took all three types apart 2 days ago and they are all the same. size of vanes, quantity of vanes, size and shape of pressure port, all measureable fluid passages- everything. The only thing that made a discernible difference in steering feel was the pressure mod outlined by thelakerat.
just an FYI.

it would be a new spool valve with mods simaler to the ones lake rat talks about on his site. the big benifit for most people would be that there would be no guessing, just a quick 10 minuit drop in afair.
we started doing a simaler valve for the street rod crowd a long time ago, even recived best new product back in 94. we have all of the equipment etc, so it would just be a matter of recalibrating them.

im cheep and like to save money every where i can, but if theres a cheep product that will save me time, ill usualy go for it. i hate haveing to redo some thing a bunch of times, so to me $40 bucks would be better than pulling the valve a bunch of times, and posably geting to much presure, cracking the box or blowing the cap apart.

i'd buy two, one for my rig and another to put in a pump to use to run a hyro ram on a bender.

- jack

Originally posted by Aggro



You will not get 2200 to 2500 psi from an oem pump. The oem ps box will die with that much pressure applied. The agr superpump is the exact same (minus the pully attachment method) as a standard pump, which is also the same as a hydroboost pump. I just took all three types apart 2 days ago and they are all the same. size of vanes, quantity of vanes, size and shape of pressure port, all measureable fluid passages- everything. The only thing that made a discernible difference in steering feel was the pressure mod outlined by thelakerat.
just an FYI.


Ditto! I killed three caps on my ps box, one with pressure mods and two with OEM pressure ~1400 psi

2200psi is nuke territory; the OEM hoses, fittings, and box are not setup to handle this...

Spend about 5 - 10 sec at lock and :nuke: There goes a seal or one of the pot metal caps... I even managed to invert the input shaft seal on the ps box: so even if the caps hold the whole thing leaks like a sive... Just my 2cts.

Matt

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/broken_cap.JPG

Count me in.

I just talked to Howe about "reworking" my pump and they want $285!!! Supposedly they do a complete rebuild on it but mine is a brand new GM pump. I just need the pressure valve.

The only problem I see is you may need several different settings, 1800psi - 2 GPM for stock no hydro assist, and 1800psi - 4-5GPM for hydro assist.

BTW Howe claims a saginaw steering box is only good for around 2000psi.

Originally posted by wanderingwillys



Ditto! I killed three caps on my ps box, one with pressure mods and two with OEM pressure ~1400 psi



so, you blew 2 with stock presure? sounds like there was an issue elsewhere that contributed. looking at the picture, it apears to be a stress fracture thru the hole that you drilled/taped...

as far as the presure go's, we have not finalised any presures, we are still in the developement stages for an " offroad " valve, we have been talking with people thruout the industry and geting various conflicting feed back, we are also doing some product testing.

as far as hoses, most ps hoses are rated at atleast 2500psi for cheepies, good ones are usualy 3000psi.

I wouldn;t worry too much about too much flow and pressure, like someone said offer 2 models and those wanting full hydro will snap up the biggest.

Here's my question....who's got the low down on the real numbers from a stock box, and one with the common drill-and- shim mods?

Stock I've heard from anything from 1200-2002 psi and 1-2 gpm. I've no idea what the drill-and-shim nets?

Anyone? Aggro?

if it really works- AGR has chit for a reputation around here. There assist kit pumps are not up to the task. They made me all kinds of promises about my steering being quick enough- far from the truth and hurt me bad in one speed type comp.

Hydroboost pump on their now and it works awesome.

I would not market anything under "Good as AGR"

Originally posted by T1H5_TA3

we started doing a simaler valve for the street rod crowd a long time ago, even recived best new product back in 94. we have all of the equipment etc, so it would just be a matter of recalibrating them.


What kind of issues do the street rod guys run into? I would've thought they wouldn't have too many issues with this stuff (ie skinny tires). Just curious.

Suggestion: Pimp these things to the Dodge Diesel guys. The steering in them sucks at low speeds, even with stock wheels/tires. I'm gonna try switching mine over to synthetic, if that doesn't help, the valve is coming out for some work.

Pete

Originally posted by T1H5_TA3
it would be a new spool valve with mods simaler to the ones lake rat talks about on his site. the big benifit for most people would be that there would be no guessing, just a quick 10 minuit drop in afair. blah,blah,blah
.

Dude, the spool valve is located in the steering box and is not a 10 minute swap unless you're superman.


Billa: oem max pressure for gm trucks is near 1400 psi. thta is for a 1 ton truck, all others are less, down to around 1200 psi.

OK, EAT-SHIT, first off there is NO WAY that you are going to make 2200 -2500 psi from a pump work in a Saginaw application. It will either wine so loud it will sound like a jet or burn up. I know cause i've tried it.
Secondly, a gear box can only handle about 1500 psi and that's pushing it. any more than that and the seals will go fairly quickly.
Third, a spool valve is in the box not the pump. I can change one in less than 10 minutes with my eyes closed but i promise you that most people can't do this.

Now that i'm done ragging, if you are with the group that was offering the kit several years back in one of the magazines then i'll buy one. They did actually help out but they are basicly the same thing that i give away.
I offer the same mod for free when someone buys a kit from me cause it only takes me about 5 min to completly finish one.
you are selling new parts. i know that some people will buy this because they are scared to screw up something that they already have. Some people just love bolt in stuff.

But again i know that some people will buy this and if you can make one for all types of vehicles and pumps i'll even offer it on my website or sell them with my kits.

But you will have to get this stuff straight because i know for a fact that the numbers that you are throwing out will not work.

Thanks for the input Aggro

And that is why West Texas is gonna get my bidness when it comes time for hydro... :beer: to ya man.

Originally posted by TheLakeRat
Now that i'm done ragging, if you are with the group that was offering the kit several years back in one of the magazines then i'll buy one. They did actually help out but they are basicly the same thing that i give away.
I offer the same mod for free when someone buys a kit from me cause it only takes me about 5 min to completly finish one.
you are selling new parts. i know that some people will buy this because they are scared to screw up something that they already have. Some people just love bolt in stuff.

But again i know that some people will buy this and if you can make one for all types of vehicles and pumps i'll even offer it on my website or sell them with my kits.

ok, i apreciate the input, i had goten the term spoolvalve confused. my bad. the presure info i had goten was from over hearing a conversation with our shop, a ton of # were thrown around, so i may have had bad info..
yes, basicly it would be new valves with basicly the mods you post on your site. we arnt trying to pull the wool over any ones eyes and claim to have some thing new and wonderfull.. just basicly provide a service, and a drop in part for they guys that dont want to mess with it and risk going to far. i figured you would be on sooner or later to set the record strait.

Lakerat

Are you going (or willing) to offer a similar service?

ok so a stock GM sagina is 1400 psi about

whats a agr claim....I am looking for a OEM = psi replacement as agr


they are the same I take it? or it that info generalized?

eat shit, no problem man i understand about all the numbers and names mixing together.
If you do offer them let me know

lt1yj, I've always offered it as a free upgrade for anyone that buys my kit. It just isn't always needed.

Moab Austin, Get a pump for a Chevy 1 ton truck that had Hydro-boost Brakes and then take the piston out and make sure that it doesn't have any washers in it. That will be the same thing as a ARG pump.

Originally posted by morpheus
i'd buy two, one for my rig and another to put in a pump to use to run a hyro ram on a bender.

- jack

Now there's an idea. How much juice could you squeeze out of a Saginaw pump with a big resevoir to use for a bender? It seems to me from this discusion that the box can't handle the pressure the pump is capable of putting out. Is there any disadvantage to using a saginaw pump for a hydro bender? Thanks in advance
Travis