Got my mog 404 axles. Heres a pic. These axles are a lot smaller in real life and I would have to say they are the most incredible axle I have ever seen (way better than my d60 front). I just carnt believe these guys mass produced these things. Its just totally unbelievable.

Just looking at the axles quickly they have a WMS-WMS of about 68in. I can put my 15in wheels on over the stock drum brakes with a back spacing of about 3.5in. I got the tailshafts and the torque tubes with them so its easy to convert then to a normal flanged pinion setup. The only thing hard (not so much hard, more of a PITA) I got to do is cut the front axle housing and swap the axle tubes so I get the pumpkin on the RHS.

Damn sweet axles:bounce2: :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce:

Sam

Flippin right on Sam!!! Great score!

Sheeze, with the pile of killer part's you have now you can build 3-4 rigs!!

Please post-up on your cutting, and swaping of your axles tubes. I'm very curious how this process goes.

Are you planing on cutting the tubes, flipping them to the "other side" and then rewelding? Can the hubs trully be flipped over (symetrical bolt patern on the axle tube flange?). Damn if that's the case!

I take it your gonna' keep those 400lb break drums eh?

When are you going to get started? And if soon, then what's your planned wheel B going to be?

I feel the same way about my axles as you do Sam. When I first got to crawl all over them I was totally amazed at the attention to detail that is obvious on these things. They are going to be some seriously sweet axles. Have you steered the front axle yet to see how far it goes? You will be WAAAY impressed. My axles(U-1300's) really supprised me when I saw that they steer like 50* at the stock setting(Which also happens to be as sharp as they are able to turn anyway).

I am glad to hear that you decided to go with the front Mog axle. It really has allot of advantages in my opinions, as long as you can still build your vehicle low.

Now you ned to go back to that tire yard where you got your previous axles, and pick up the Big Michelins that you said you were drueling over. That is the route that I am taking, and I am going to have about 26" of differential clearance:eek: .

I look forward to seeing what you do with them.

Have fun!

Sean

hey some pictures of unimog stuff that my friend converted at www.overengineered4x4.com/unimog


if u reach to some problems with conversion and stuff like that give me a shout at my email and i could give you a help :)

mmmm, looking at the pics DanB linked too it doesent look as though the pumpkin can be moved to the RHS cause it looks like the locker locks the long axle to the hemisphere (like a maxi drive locker). May have to pull mine apart to get a better look.

Sam

Why would it matter? Long or short...Who cares?

--D

Hey Sam,

Any word on the slotted radius arm bushings, and when/if they will be available? I tried to E-Mail you, but I guess maybe I got the wrong address. Thanx...

~Scott T.

Talk about a major high-jack!!! PM the guy JE!

--D

Originally posted by RockRover
Why would it matter? Long or short...Who cares?

--D

It looks from the pics that the diff lock locking dog is on the RHS of the diff centre and it slides on the axle splines of the long axle. Now I would imagine that the short axle doesent have the extra spline length so that if I put the short axle on the RHS then the locking dog wouldnt be able to me mounted.

But I will have to pull it apart to be sure cause I guess it would be possible for the short axle to have the extra spline length as well. (although I doubt it)

Sam

JEEPEYTR - couple of weeks

I was going to mention that, but I though you must have already figured that out, Sam. I didn't know if the 404 axles used the same method to lock the differential as the later axles. On my axles it is the same way; I cannot flip the differential to the passenger side without getting a custom short side inner axle shaft made which has longer splines(I decided not to go this route for now anyway). On my axles, switching the side of the differential is actually as easy as un-bolting the axle tubes from the housing, and bolting them on to the opposite side. But then I will lose the operation of the locker as you are saying. It would work fine as an open differential though.

Sean

Sean, I think that the 404 would probably be the same as your U-1300's axles and cannot be converted to a front RHS drop. I put a post in the merc forum to see if I can get a definitive answer but Im thinking it carnt be done.

If I carnt get the RHS front drop then I will probably use a transfer out of a f350 or something. So I would use the 302W with a NP435 and a NP205 transfer (I think) Someone was telling me the low range of this transfer case is 2.7?? If thats the case then It would work well.

Looks like I got some more collecting to go yet, and its a shame cause I just got my BW T18 and lt95 transfer (3.3:1) adaption finished :mad:

Sam

sam, NP205 is 1.96:1 :(

but no worries, with a NP435, 205, and mogs you are still juuuuust under 100:1, which is plenty for a rig with a torquey V8 like a 5.0.

Originally posted by 9V
sam, NP205 is 1.96:1 :(

but no worries, with a NP435, 205, and mogs you are still juuuuust under 100:1, which is plenty for a rig with a torquey V8 like a 5.0.


Thats what I thought as well - 1.96:1 but a bloke was telling me that the ones out of a f350 were lower.

What other transfer could I use?? I dont know that we got many types out here. Got plenty of F-trucks and Chevs but thats about it.

Might have a look at clocking the LT95 but that would put the rear output on the LHS and the rear pumpkin is on the RHS.

Bloody mogs :confused:

Sam

you could look into a doubler setup using the gear reduxtion part of an NP203 and the transfer case part of the 205. this would give you around 200:1.

plenty have fabbed them on their own, im sure you could do it.

www.offroaddesign.com

www.wagonermachine.com

both make doubler kits

sam, you should be able to have someone continue the splines on the short shaft, assuming the splines and shaft are the same diameter. This is easily done at a machine shop. If not, you could have a shaft made up for relatively cheap. I know you can swap the drop. Now, I cant say how much or whats all involved, but it can be done.

"Bloody mogs"

This is why I got volvos. But with your TC does it really mean that much to have a front locker at least to start out with?

Ron

I think I will pull it apart first and have a look. Im now thinking that i should just get the custom axle made (or extend the splines or whatever) if thats what its going to take. Especially now that Ive got my BW T18/TL95 sorted.

Sam

well there was a discussion that u could buy both ford and chevy np205 and share the parts and u can bolt it on a chevy tranny

but im not too sure what ya are running u might mention it above but i didnt really read it carefully.. really tired right now.. shitty day at work and everything..


if u are going to run landrover tranny and tranfercase i have no idea about them what they can bolt on to...


for me im going to get divorced np205 since i can afford the wheelbase...

buddy of mine got the ford tranny and 205 xcase with chevy 350 motor..

those that I have talked to about such an edevour have mentioned the volvo axles quite frequently. It there any advantage to using the mog axles?

I believe the mogs are bigger and stronger and have a tighter turning radius.

Sam

volvos are good to about a 36" tire after that if you are looking for portals go with mogs. Like Sam said mogs are stronger have a tighter turning radius and will withstand larger tires. Since Sam is running 42s this makes sense. People are talking about volvo portals for two reasons they are lighter (so comp rigs want to run them more because that's the current trend) and right now they are in greater supply (due to rockbuggysupply.com) so they are the current "big thing" it'll probably go away after people start blowing them up with bigger tires. There are some people already talking about making 300m axle shafts for them and longfielding the birfs. Should be interresting to see what comes of all of this. it'll be interresting to see what you finally come up with Sam.

-ben

volvo is simlar to d44 and 404 is simlar to d60 that type of concept.. actually mog is stronger than 60..

i think volvo is pretty good for people who has sami or toy
but for heavier stuff i suggest mog.. but pain in the ass about it is u have to do pinton converison and disc if u want.. and i beleive for the volvo it comes with disc and yokes so u dont need to do conversion.. but in long run i would say mog axles are better as they can handle more abuse..

but i never tested or seen volvo axles myself... so i cannot really answer it..

You cannot change the shafts because the splines on the locker side are longer. Also it is not easy to put the pumpkin to the pass. side because the housing is not symmetrical. Sure it is possible, but it is a lot of work and you have to build a custom shaft.
I took a NP 205 out of a Ford and matched this with the 205 out of a Chevy. It works great. I run a 4L80E Automatic trans after a 6,2 Diesel. This way is a lot easier and cheaper.
So far this combination works without a problem.
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