I posted this in the jeep forum too, I decided to post it here to try and get more reply's.

I saw tera's new tj system today. they triangulate the upper control arms on the front axle. Won't this cause a lot of bumpstear?

They introduced this new system at SEMA.

You didn't get any replies on the jeep board because they don't care.

I expect you will just get flamed outright on the general board.

a smart noobie (if there is such a thing) would delete both.

Originally posted by Dan-H
I expect you will just get flamed outright on the general board.

a smart noobie (if there is such a thing) would delete both.

:confused:

what the hell is wrong with a simple question be asked, isnt that what we are all on this board for, TO LEARN and CHAT? YES the jeep fourm would be more appropriate, so suggest just that! sometimes i think it is some sort of pissing war on here. :D

I just saw this setup this morning at the mepco showroom. It looked like a pretty nice system. They had their new hysteer knuckles on it with crossover draglink.

Try this. Read EVERYTHING posted on this board on how to build a great 4 link, then look at those pics.

You won't find any similarities.

maybe you should post it on the Toyota board too and let them know what they are missing out :rolleyes:

If you had searched first, you might have found this topic beat to death about a month ago. Look for "secret spy pics" or something like that. But my question is, can anyone guess why no-one was lining up to buy this?

Answer: read Seth's reply.

bobdog -- when you get it let us know how it works out.

got 4wd - Learn by reading. The tech is here. Filtering through the crap is what makes the good stuff hard to find.

If you are bored and want to chat, goto chit chat.

RockRover - Still confused ?

I have read all recent posts about 3,4,5,18 link whatever... yes there is alot of great info on these threads. at the same time there is 15 people saying their design is the best, alot of AS with a strap, a little AS with out, coils, coilovers, qtr eliptic, bla bla bla. the guy asked a ligit question, there is more than enough enginers and so called gods of suspension design on this bord to answer him without any problem. I am not one of those overly knowledgeable in this area, but rather than trash the newbie on asking a ok question why don't you shut the pie hole. If he was asking how much lift to clear 32s on his chickery flame away or even beter get the moderator to deleate it. ok enough rant.:flipoff2:

Do yourself a favor and take a look at the new Full-Traction kit. About 1000 times better IMO.

there sure was alot of people lining up at SEMA, and from just when i was there looking along with everyone else, there was a lot of intrested people. just what i saw and heard as SEMA. also in my opinion it seems to be a very complete kit for what they are dealing with, people who want to rid of the panhard bars but dont want or dont have the money for a completely custom lift!

again very ligit question.

yes it will create bumpsteer...

well it will amplify it...not create it, bumpsteer is created when the distance from point a to b on hte draglink efectively changes...

I think you know what I mean.

Full traction kit?

whats that anybody?

pig what is so bad ass about full-traction?

http://www.full-traction.com/new_page_5.htm

Looks like a rancho econo kit for way to much dead prezidents.

you must me talking about something else.

yes I did highjack this thread. :flipoff2:

I didn't get a great shot of the FT kit, but here 'tis:
http://www.4x4wire.com/gallery/trailshots/Trade_Shows/SEMA_2002/4x4s_and_SUVs/PB070127.JPG

It als has the K2 steering link system, with two bell-cranks and three transfer links (pitman-to-bellcrank, bellcrank-bellcrank, and bellcrank-to-centerlink). LOTSA linkage, but it looked like it would work well through any conceivable range of articulation.

Randii

http://www.full-traction.com/new_page_5.htm
Looks like a rancho econo kit for way to much dead prezidents.
That link goes to their 4-inch kit. Their new 6-inch kit displayed on the TJ at SEMA was definitely different.

Randii

Wow that's a lot of links, I'd like to drive one with 50k miles on it, I bet it would remind me of driving my '46 Willys with the old "Hunt and peck" steering system, that's a lot of TRE's to wear out. It probably does reduce bumpsteer though.

Yeah, I saw both of those kits at SEMA, the tera kit has minimized bumpsteer for a triangulated 4-link, but the steering system of the full traction kit should totally eliminate bumpsteer. It does have a few TRE's and pivot's but how else would you do it without going full hydro or moving the steering box to the back. Not too bad for a bolt-on long-arm kit.

wow, my bad. I guess this IS the place to CHAT about bolt on TJ kits :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Dan-H
wow, my bad. I guess this IS the place to CHAT about bolt on TJ kits :rolleyes:


BWhahaha.....uhm NO but just thought I would learn what the full traction kit was....


at least I don't drive a TJ

BTW nice sig!

Originally posted by Dan-H
wow, my bad. I guess this IS the place to CHAT about bolt on TJ kits :rolleyes:

What's your problem, I took a look at your homepage, looks like the TJ bolt-on stuff is right up your alley.

What the f*ck?

I swear to christ i typed www.pirate4x4.com and somehow I ended up at JU?

This is so hardcore :rolleyes: I think ima throw out my crawler and build a bolton TJ :rolleyes:

GO HERE (http://www.jeepsunlimited.com)

Originally posted by GOAT1

What's your problem, I took a look at your homepage, looks like the TJ bolt-on stuff is right up your alley.

What I drive has little to do with it. I suppose you are still spring under? who cares.

My point is... well just read xBaby's comment. that pretty much covers it.

So, what next. best tire wax to keep ProComps looking new?

Originally posted by Dan-H


What I drive has little to do with it. I suppose you are still spring under? who cares.

My point is... well just read xBaby's comment. that pretty much covers it.

So, what next. best tire wax to keep ProComps looking new?



I think you were being included in that post...:flipoff2:

best tire wax to keep ProComps looking new?
Depends. For tires on White TJs, I've heard that this wax is what you need. :flipoff2:
http://www.no-tweeze.com/images/product_photos/bikini_kit.jpg

Randii

General 4x4 Discussion
General Discussion about Four Wheelin'

:rolleyes:
no where in that title does it say any thing about "Must fab own parts or go some where else". It also doesn't say anything about what type of vehicle you can talk about. Get a life, if you don't want to read it don't. If you don't have anything informative to add then you are waisting just as much space as you think he is for posting it. Thank you PIG for helping in almost every post. If more people were here to become more respected for their help rather than what a cool flammer (that could be taken both ways) they are and how quick and witty their put downs are. If i want to read about how you girl left you then i'll go to chit chat but since i enjoy reading about Four Wheelin' not biased towards make or how billybadass my home built parts are i'll come here. now if you have made a beter design or can help him why he doesn't want to look at this kit than post away. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by GOAT1


What's your problem, I took a look at your homepage, looks like the TJ bolt-on stuff is right up your alley.

nice...

Sooooooooooooo much time wasted talking about what the board is or is not. SHUT UP already. If you have something to say, say it. If not LEAVE. :mad:

That steering set up looks interesting. I think their "bolt on" stuff is pretty strong and holds up well in my experience.

I'm going back to JU.

Originally posted by randii
I didn't get a great shot of the FT kit, but here 'tis:
http://www.4x4wire.com/gallery/trailshots/Trade_Shows/SEMA_2002/4x4s_and_SUVs/PB070127.JPG

It als has the K2 steering link system, with two bell-cranks and three transfer links (pitman-to-bellcrank, bellcrank-bellcrank, and bellcrank-to-centerlink). LOTSA linkage, but it looked like it would work well through any conceivable range of articulation.

Randii

But what does the rest of the kit look like? What do they do for the rear? Anyone got pics of the rest?

Originally posted by mlshelton
I'm going back to JU.


I may to! :(

This newbie crap has got to stop its really getting old, its not like he posted a "Will pulling the carpet out my TJ hurt anything type question"

He was interested in information on a new product...

Sad so sad.. Yall need to jump back!

Originally posted by TPIJeep



I may to! :(

This newbie crap has got to stop its really getting old, its not like he posted a "Will pulling the carpet out my TJ hurt anything type question"

He was interested in information on a new product...

Sad so sad.. Yall need to jump back!

So go back to JU! "Y'all need to" shut the F*ck up you crybabies :flipoff2:

The whole flipping point is that with every new "check out this bolton" "woo a new wxyz beadlock!" "how do i polish my turd D30" thread, the REAL tech gets lost in the shuffle! We can't even FIND a decent suspension thread with all this bullshit, and every other bolt-on moron chimes in with their "why don't you just use RE's blah blah" instead of talking welders and sawzall.

This isn't "wow I'm building my first 4x4" Pirate4x4, this is "I can park on your hood, weld with jumper cables, pass the drill press no more whining" Pirate4x4

so piss off.


:mad:







:D

Originally posted by xBabyJesus


So go back to JU! "Y'all need to" shut the F*ck up you crybabies :flipoff2:

The whole flipping point is that with every new "check out this bolton" "woo a new wxyz beadlock!" "how do i polish my turd D30" thread, the REAL tech gets lost in the shuffle! We can't even FIND a decent suspension thread with all this bullshit, and every other bolt-on moron chimes in with their "why don't you just use RE's blah blah" instead of talking welders and sawzall.

This isn't "wow I'm building my first 4x4" Pirate4x4, this is "I can park on your hood, weld with jumper cables, pass the drill press no more whining" Pirate4x4

so piss off.



You know what??? You whine more than any bitch I've dated.

The guy didn't ask "Hey, Can I get it in chrome?". The question was a legitimate question regaurding suspension design as it specifically applies to tiangulated link. He just happened to use a "Bolt on kit" that was unvieled at SEMA as an example, which as far as I'm concerned, was a good idea. There was no confusion as to what he was asking, or as to how the suspension system was designed because there are pictures of it, and many people saw it first hand. And not every "Bolt on" is bad. It may or may not aplly to what you have, but it isn't always the worst option either.

My suggestion, take your attitude, and go suck it. :eek:

I'm with Phil on this one.

Originally posted by Desert Jeepin


You know what??? You whine more than any bitch I've dated.


My suggestion, take your attitude, and go suck it. :eek:

I agree with this guy... :D

Originally posted by Desert Jeepin


You know what??? You whine more than any bitch I've dated.

The guy didn't ask "Hey, Can I get it in chrome?". The question was a legitimate question regaurding suspension design as it specifically applies to tiangulated link. He just happened to use a "Bolt on kit" that was unvieled at SEMA as an example, which as far as I'm concerned, was a good idea. There was no confusion as to what he was asking, or as to how the suspension system was designed because there are pictures of it, and many people saw it first hand. And not every "Bolt on" is bad. It may or may not aplly to what you have, but it isn't always the worst option either.

My suggestion, take your attitude, and go suck it. :eek:

I also agree with this guy, you guys are turning a legitimate suspension thread into a pissing match, even if this thread was about a bolt-on part at SEMA, how many threads in Gen 4x4 are about winches, tires, hubs, etc (all bolt-on parts), and how many threads were there with pictures of sema, even from lance himself, not many of those pictures were about ghetto backyard fab or rest of the hacked shit I see on here.

this thread might as well die now....jeez


hey anybody know FOR SURE what thickness wall tubing is in the 3link rear terra setup? with those bends looks like it whould be pretty thick

I HOPE

damn tj's :D

I agre that this post is relevant and shouldnt be noob bashing.

But what does the rest of the kit look like? What do they do for the rear? Anyone got pics of the rest?

Looks like long arms in the rear.

The best question is why the hell do they need one more bolt on TJ suspension??? Whats wrong with whats out there now? Not a damn thing and improving on it is a waste of time. How much does that kit do on a 30* ramp d00d!?!? I can ramp more than you can dood!

Get 60s, a real tcase, and a tranny worth a crap.

Originally posted by FreakAccident
I agre that this post is relevant and shouldnt be noob bashing.



Looks like long arms in the rear.

The best question is why the hell do they need one more bolt on TJ suspension??? Whats wrong with whats out there now? Not a damn thing and improving on it is a waste of time. How much does that kit do on a 30* ramp d00d!?!? I can ramp more than you can dood!

Get 60s, a real tcase, and a tranny worth a crap.

The rear of the kit is a triangulated 4-link with an upper wishbone. Yes, does there need to be another TJ long arm kit? well one that gets rid of both panhard bars with triangulated 4-links, has a steering system that works with a triangulated 4-link with no bumpsteer, and has good suspension geometry might be worth something.

But then again, it's not RE, or a backyard hack with a torch and a stick welder didnt make, so it must be crap:flipoff2:, right?

Originally posted by FreakAccident
I agre that this post is relevant and shouldnt be noob bashing.




Whats wrong with whats out there now? Not a damn thing and improving on it is a waste of time.



That's just fucking stupid.

If improving on things is considered to be a waste of time, why do anything :shaking:

BTW, going to those 60's was an improvement. Can't you do something more productive with your time? :flipoff2:

No one ever said it was crap. It may be very good quality but will it do much of anything that kits before haven't regarding offroad performance? Most likely not.... Go buy a liberty if you want a cushy ride. Does JU have a section for Libertys? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by FreakAccident
No one ever said it was crap. It may be very good quality but will it do much of anything that kits before haven't regarding offroad performance? Most likely not.... Go buy a liberty if you want a cushy ride. Does JU have a section for Libertys? :flipoff2:

Yes it does, did you actually read what I wrote? that's the whole point of that new kit. Fabtech (LOL) had a new TJ long arm kit at SEMA, but do you see any one talking about it? no because it is just like all the other ones, it keeps the panhard bars, with no improvements, the tera and full traction kit are the only kits that improve on the problems with the 4-link/panhard bar suspensions of TJ's, and the whole point of the tread: what about the steering when you convert a panhard bar suspension to a triangulated 4-link.

Actually the point of the post was some dude asking about bumpsteer. It all boils down to a nice ride on the street.

That's just fucking stupid.

If improving on things is considered to be a waste of time, why do anything

BTW, going to those 60's was an improvement. Can't you do something more productive with your time?

Theres nothing wrong with improving things.
The whole point is to make the Jeep drive more like a Lincoln on the street. The current stuff is already great offroad. I dont see spending 5k+ on a bolt on suspension to get better "street" handling and get rid of bumpsteer. They TJs drive fine to begin with.

Go get your fancy suspension. Ill stick with my junkyard leafs.

Originally posted by FreakAccident
I agre that this post is relevant and shouldnt be noob bashing.
The best question is why the hell do they need one more bolt on TJ suspension???

Hey if you were making something and getting rich off of it I would copy it and try to make my money is all it boils down as to why they are making another.
The more option kits one manufacture makes for a jeep the more money he has in his pocket. There are many jeeps so anything you want for it you can buy.
If somone wants to bolt on something maybe it is for the best I have seen plenty of stuff that people have built that scares the shit out of me so I am glad that they make bolt on stuff.

Originally posted by Desert Jeepin


You know what??? You whine more than any bitch I've dated.

The guy didn't ask "Hey, Can I get it in chrome?". The question was a legitimate question regaurding suspension design as it specifically applies to tiangulated link. He just happened to use a "Bolt on kit" that was unvieled at SEMA as an example, which as far as I'm concerned, was a good idea. There was no confusion as to what he was asking, or as to how the suspension system was designed because there are pictures of it, and many people saw it first hand. And not every "Bolt on" is bad. It may or may not aplly to what you have, but it isn't always the worst option either.

My suggestion, take your attitude, and go suck it. :eek:

"I saw tera's new tj system today. they triangulate the upper control arms on the front axle. Won't this cause a lot of bumpstear? "

translation:

"d00d theres a new bolton TJ kit out! it's so l33t! but like, will it cause bumpsteer? cuz I like, hate spilling my latte on the morning commute! w00t!"

Sure, it's an interesting topic, but there are OTHER places to go for this shit, and I'll practically guarantee that it's being discussed on JU somewhere. Name one reason that this is "college-level" tech for the one and only hardcore offroad BBS? Don't duplicate effort and drown all the good tech in bullshit threads. Now everytime I search for "4-link suspension" this stupid f*cking thread will come up.

Suck it long, and suck it hard. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by GOAT1
not many of those pictures were about ghetto backyard fab or rest of the hacked shit I see on here.

LOL, I almost fell out of my chair.

Attack of the newbies!!!!


Wait....I am a newbie

If you want to know more about the two suspensions, there are some great discussion threads on JU and better pictures.

I agree though if there was a thread in General 4x4 Discussion about every new suspension/bumper/product made available there would be little worth while tech going on.

and for the ass that is going to quote this :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

geez, I guess I didn't make any new friends this week.

my gripe was and is

1) its a double post and in the wrong forum
2) it was last months topic in the right forum ( jeep tech)


despite what I drive, THIS THREAD (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95103)
is an example of why I come here to READ and LEARN.


ps: Randii, I use this stuff called "Sierra Granite" to clean my tires. Available free in many locations :flipoff2: