: Time for a change...boatside and new cage
rok-jeep 02-03-2011, 05:38 AM I had a thread about the original build a few years ago. It has served me well over the years but it was time to make a few changes. This past summer my wife told me she missed the open air feel of our old CJ and that the doors off and the back chopped was not enough. She said it still felt too cramped inside. We weighed our options and starting over with a new rig was out of the question $$$ wise. So the next option was to cut the rest of the top and build a new cage for it. The existing cage was ok with a full top but as the main structure it was not going to cut it.
So I started going over designs I liked and didn't much care for. While I fabbed the jeep myself before I do not have the tools nor the skills to build a cage myself. I have enlisted the help of a local shop and builder named Dr.Smash designs in Carson City to work with me. The owner Eric knew how much I wanted to be invovled in the build so he has been kind enough to allow me to come to the shop and we work together on it. While finalizing the cage design with Eric, I decided it would be a good time to boatside it as well. Seeing as the rockers were totalled and we could build the A,B and C pillars off it.
This is what I started with. When I brought the jeep to the shop I had already cut the top and removed the windshield. The first order of business was to remove the rockers and start rebuilding them.
rok-jeep 02-03-2011, 05:42 AM We mocked up the new rockers, straightened out the floor sheetmetal and got them burned in. We also tied in the rear fenders and the the front cowl area to the new rockers too.
I haven't decided on what I'm going to plate them with yet but that will come later. I'm also going to redo the floor sheetmetal and tie it into the rockers and seal it to keep water out.
rok-jeep 02-03-2011, 05:47 AM We just started on the cage. Its mostly all 1.75" DOM but there will be some HREW spreaders mixed in. We got the B pillar and the rear portion tacked in last week. All the measurements for the A pillar were taken last week and we'll get them bent up tomorrow hopefully. I can only make it out there on Friday's due to my work schedule. Working graveyard sucks.
I was hoping to have new suspension seats for the front and back to work into the build but $$ needs to go elsewhere and this is afterall just a toy. I have 5" between my head the cage when seated in the driver seat. The seat is in the position I drive in.
Anyway here is the start of it. I will get more pics as we make more progress.
I'll get some pics of the old windshield pillars and the rear door area where they were cut. Eric massaged them so there are no big holes left from the cuts. We were going to just cap them but Eric was able to make some more room for the C pillar by doing it the way he did.
rok-jeep 02-03-2011, 02:01 PM Eric got some more done today and will have more by the end of the day. The A pillars are in, windshield spreader and dash spreader and the harness bar is in. There will be an X behind the front seats and rear bench. So here are a few new pics.
aircruiserxj 02-03-2011, 02:55 PM ill be watching this..still dont know what i want to do with my rolled xj..cutting the roof was an idea..what are you going to do for a top? just a canvas top or what?
rok-jeep 02-03-2011, 03:58 PM ill be watching this..still dont know what i want to do with my rolled xj..cutting the roof was an idea..what are you going to do for a top? just a canvas top or what?
No top for now. I may do a snap on top for summer to keep some of the sun off my daughter. It would be a mesh type or maybe canvas I'm not sure yet. I'll have more pics tonight
rok-jeep 02-03-2011, 04:39 PM This is how she looks right now. I love the looks, we plan on finishing up the fab tomorrow.
pistol-mcgee 02-03-2011, 06:31 PM do you have any pics of where you tied in the tube at the top of the cage?
rok-jeep 02-03-2011, 07:34 PM do you have any pics of where you tied in the tube at the top of the cage?
Not now but I'll get some tomorrow
RuffedUpXJ 02-04-2011, 06:18 AM Nice lines in the cage. Looks good can still take the family out.
rok-jeep 02-04-2011, 07:12 AM Nice lines in the cage. Looks good can still take the family out.
Thanks, I'll get more pics up later today after we get done working on it.
ashmanjeepXJ 02-04-2011, 07:26 AM I like it.
CTeunuch 02-04-2011, 02:34 PM Looking sharp. I've considered the idea myself, but it gets so damn cold here in the winter...
GreatWhiteXJ 02-04-2011, 04:34 PM Btichn Man!
Have you thrown a seat in it yet? I like the angry eyebrow, but it almost looks a little too angry. Like its too low.
Totally diggin the work tho. I always wondered what a rig would look like cut the way you did...and I like.
rweaver138 02-04-2011, 07:49 PM when i first saw the whole top cut off i was like holy shit that looks awful. but you really made it look good with the cage, nice work so far.
drsmash 02-04-2011, 09:40 PM here is where I left it today at beer thirty
rok-jeep 02-04-2011, 10:02 PM Thanks for all your hard work Eric. Anyone looking to have quality, top of the work done should give Dr. Smash a call!!!!!
Here are a few other pics of it. Most of the gussets are in and the sick X off the B pillar. The compound bends in this are unreal. Eric did a great job with this one. He did an amazing job of putting what was in my head into motion and then tweaking it some to make it a Dr. Smash original.
There is still work to be done but its definately almost there.
carslut 02-04-2011, 11:33 PM nice build
stevej21 02-05-2011, 09:31 AM very nice build. just might have to go cut the top off mine now.
rok-jeep 02-05-2011, 10:39 PM Thanks for all the positive feedback. I can only take credit for the idea and Eric ran with it.
She's almost all welded up and almost ready to be picked up. The rear foot plates and the B-pillar x-joint are not finished welded in these pics but they will be. Here are the finished cage pics. There are a ton of cool details and extras that the pics don't do justice to.
rok-jeep 02-05-2011, 10:40 PM a final few.....It came out fawking awesome, that's all I can say
BallerJeep 02-05-2011, 11:05 PM badass cage bro. Nice idea
AgitatedPancake 02-05-2011, 11:07 PM Holy hot damn, I really like that cage work! The door bars really set it apart, looks great!
rok-jeep 02-05-2011, 11:19 PM Holy hot damn, I really like that cage work! The door bars really set it apart, looks great!
Thanks, I think they look awesome too and they make a very comfortable, natural feeling arm rest.
mucovich 02-06-2011, 04:46 PM Awesome! Man I love this jeep.
Can we get some pics of how it's tied into the frame?
rok-jeep 02-07-2011, 12:09 AM Awesome! Man I love this jeep.
Can we get some pics of how it's tied into the frame?
The A, B, and C pillars are built off the new boatsides and the D pillar is tied to a footplate that is welded and bolted to the floor directly above the rear shackle hangers.
The boatsides are built off the reinforced unibody. I plated the unibody with 3x3x.250 angle which is stitch and rosette welded and for added security I added 3 - 3/4" bolts per side through the unibody. I still need to plate the rest of the front of the unibody. The driver side is almost all done but the passenger side still needs work and has a small buckle just behind the bumper mount fromcoming down really hard on the front bumper last summer.
whitneyj 02-07-2011, 04:58 AM I really dig the little gussets everywhere and how you did the roof. The roof especially.
rok-jeep 02-07-2011, 05:06 AM I really dig the little gussets everywhere and how you did the roof. The roof especially.
Thanks, I told Eric I wanted a huge intersection with the top tubes and it came out just how we talked about it. Eric even added some speed holes to those little gussets:D They came out great.
I need to go by the shop this week and finish up the sheet metal work to tie the floor back into the boatsides.
adamusmc2002 02-07-2011, 06:21 PM Thanks, I think they look awesome too and they make a very comfortable, natural feeling arm rest.
I like the ''arm rests'' as well, how do you get in though? Bo and Luke style?
rok-jeep 02-07-2011, 09:59 PM I like the ''arm rests'' as well, how do you get in though? Bo and Luke style?
Yep gotta step into it, its going to take some getting used to but it will be safe and strong.
dcorn 02-08-2011, 06:18 PM That's a badass looking cage. Great job so far.
BryanDowdy 02-10-2011, 10:05 PM Looks Great, Well thought out design.
rok-jeep 02-13-2011, 09:23 PM Looks Great, Well thought out design.
Thanks, Eric took my idea and ran with it. I'm going to finish up the floors this week and I'll snap a few more pics then. I'm going to work new sheetmetal from the existing floor to the new boatsides
ONEtonXJ 02-14-2011, 09:07 AM done yet? i need somethin pretty to look at..
rok-jeep 02-14-2011, 10:19 PM done yet? i need somethin pretty to look at..
Sorry not yet. I work graves right now and can only get out there on my days off. I'll be out there Thursday and Friday to finish it up and bring her home. Time for new paint. I'm thinking a bright metallic blue body w/ a granite color for the cage. I don't want it to be black and hide all the kick ass detail in the tube work.
rok-jeep 02-14-2011, 10:22 PM And I'm looking for some 1/2" UMHW to plate the boatsides with but God damn is a sheet expensive. Anyone have any extra or scrap they want to sell or get rid of?
WAD357 02-15-2011, 09:33 AM hands down one of the sickest XJ cages Ive seen!
4x4jeepin 02-15-2011, 10:05 AM Great job on the cage, easy to see lotsa time into it. No offense intended but why not just build a buggy???:confused:
rok-jeep 02-16-2011, 12:19 AM hands down one of the sickest XJ cages Ive seen!
Thank you, I will pass that in to Eric
rok-jeep 02-16-2011, 12:25 AM Great job on the cage, easy to see lotsa time into it. No offense intended but why not just build a buggy???:confused:
I definately thought about it but I couldn't afford to start over plus I'm happy with my jeep and the way it works. I really just didn't want to start over and I like that it's still my ol' XJ at heart.
sawzall23 02-16-2011, 11:43 AM And I'm looking for some 1/2" UMHW to plate the boatsides with but God damn is a sheet expensive. Anyone have any extra or scrap they want to sell or get rid of?
Take a look at THIS (http://www.interstateplastics.com/Black-Uhmw-repro-Sheet-UHMBR.php?sku=UHMBR&vid=200910231754-7p&thickness=0.500&dim2=16&dim3=36&qty=1&2=Price+it+%3E%A0%A0) place, they cut to your dimensions so you only pay for what your getting. oh yeah and its black.
Gravy 04-06-2011, 09:59 AM slick!
GeneticDisposition 04-06-2011, 08:13 PM Looks sweet and safe. Hate to play devils advocate but what are the planes to counter all that new weight and considering in it's location. Alot safer and looks awesome but what performance downsides do you see and how do you plane to counter them? Not trying to be a dick just wondering.
rok-jeep 04-07-2011, 02:26 PM Looks sweet and safe. Hate to play devils advocate but what are the planes to counter all that new weight and considering in it's location. Alot safer and looks awesome but what performance downsides do you see and how do you plane to counter them? Not trying to be a dick just wondering.
As far as plans go, I'm going to wheel the shit out of it. Previously the rear doors were on it all the time. They were full power doors and windows and heavy as hell. The old cage was really heavy, as well as all the jeep I cut away. The top is gone,windshield, A and B pillars and the rockers. Yes I the new cage and is more elaborate and definately will add weight but the difference between what it used to weigh and what it weighs now is probably not much if anything.
So there should be no performance issues. Is strictly a crawler not high speed. It gets trailered to each run. The Con is about 1.5 hours away as is Fordyce and Moonrocks. Those are the trails I run. It sees roadtime but only around town. It has 5.38 gears so its not much for the highway.
Thanks for asking though.
GeneticDisposition 04-13-2011, 07:11 PM Had to ask. I run mud often as it is everywhere out here and wanted to here the from someone who has an intense cage how they thought it weighed out. Still think I will hold off till I get a tow rig and get sick of rooster tails. Also a long hall for me to find rocks. Thanks for the response.
hcdistad 04-14-2011, 07:41 AM Awesome. Im doing the same with mine. I needed ideas
EndorphinJunky 04-14-2011, 12:59 PM So there should be no performance issues. Is strictly a crawler not high speed. It gets trailered to each run. The Con is about 1.5 hours away as is Fordyce and Moonrocks. Those are the trails I run. It sees roadtime but only around town. It has 5.38 gears so its not much for the highway.
Thanks for asking though.
You still planning on rolling around town with it?? Man wish PA was like NV..:shaking:
tjjared413 04-19-2011, 09:58 AM how about a update on this :smokin:
loren 04-20-2011, 06:00 AM I have to admit I was worried when I first started reading, cuz I've seen a lottttta ugly cages... but this thing is fucking PERFECT! You guys nailed the lines, shape, everything. Definitely one of the nicest cages I've seen, if not the nicest. Almost makes me want to chop the top off my girlfriend's near-mint XJ... hmmmm :smokin:
CrawlerReady 04-20-2011, 07:18 AM how about a update on this :smokin:
x2!!!
Some very nice tube work there. Love the lines.
rok-jeep 04-21-2011, 07:57 AM You still planning on rolling around town with it?? Man wish PA was like NV..:shaking:
Yep, I'll still drive it around town. Since I'm a cop I know the traffic laws well.
As far as Nevada goes, what do you expect we allow gambling and prostitution.
rok-jeep 04-21-2011, 07:58 AM I have to admit I was worried when I first started reading, cuz I've seen a lottttta ugly cages... but this thing is fucking PERFECT! You guys nailed the lines, shape, everything. Definitely one of the nicest cages I've seen, if not the nicest. Almost makes me want to chop the top off my girlfriend's near-mint XJ... hmmmm :smokin:
Thanks!
Now get in the garage and get to cuttin'.
rok-jeep 04-21-2011, 08:02 AM x2!!!
Some very nice tube work there. Love the lines.
Thank you. As far as updates go...I have the cage painted and the primer on the body. The cage is a granite color (grey) and I'm debating on the body color. My wife like yellow, I like orange and my daugther likes a metallic blue cause it has sparkles in it she says.
I have sheet metal cut to fill in the holes in the cargo area and I'm still looking for plastic sheet to plate the boatsides with.
Then its on to wiring. I have to figure out what to do with the wire loom that runs down each side. They're ugly and in the way. Then its on to find a way to mount the fuse box that was on the inside of the passenger kick panel.
I was able to get the rear bench seat mounts figured out. It was easy. I'll get some new pics up soon.
patjeepyj 04-21-2011, 08:12 AM great job on the tube work. what type of bender are you using? You should make a sandrail next since sand mountain is not too far away! :D
CrawlerReady 04-21-2011, 08:25 AM Thank you. As far as updates go...I have the cage painted and the primer on the body. The cage is a granite color (grey) and I'm debating on the body color. My wife like yellow, I like orange and my daugther likes a metallic blue cause it has sparkles in it she says.
I have sheet metal cut to fill in the holes in the cargo area and I'm still looking for plastic sheet to plate the boatsides with.
Then its on to wiring. I have to figure out what to do with the wire loom that runs down each side. They're ugly and in the way. Then its on to find a way to mount the fuse box that was on the inside of the passenger kick panel.
I was able to get the rear bench seat mounts figured out. It was easy. I'll get some new pics up soon.
My vote is for Blue or Orange ;)
As far as UHMW goes, I just picked up some more for my flat-belly from the same place I used for my boatsides. They've got the black reprocessed material too which is nice :smokin:
Interstate Plastics
330 Commerce Circle
Sacramento,Ca. 95815
They've got a place up in Idaho too, as that's where my sheet shipped from. I usually just email Bruce Luber. bruce@interstateplastics.com, 866-899-5139
Just for a cost idea, I paid $75 for a sheet of .5"x26"x37" shipped. For my boatsides I paid $109 for 2 sheets of .375"x14"x60" shipped.
AgitatedPancake 04-21-2011, 08:30 AM Haha I was about to post about that company in reference to you, I'm not sure I knew it was that cheap! Damn I need to buy the sheets...
loren 04-22-2011, 07:58 PM They've got a place up in Idaho too, as that's where my sheet shipped from. I usually just email Bruce Luber. bruce@interstateplastics.com, 866-899-5139
lmao his name is Luber and that UHMW stuff is supposedly naturally lubricated :homer:
Byron@XSPower 05-20-2011, 10:43 AM awesome build! I love the aggressive look.
Bad ass cage that is fuckin sick! I love the lines of it and the quality work it looks amazing! Want to see some updates!
rok-jeep 05-20-2011, 04:58 PM I got the material for the boatsides. It was free so I couldn't pass it up. Its only 3/8's (I wanted 1/2") but the price was right. It came from a friends coworker. Its used on top of snowboard boxes at Kirkwood, its slick as hell. It should work, there is not alot of room between the spreaders so it should have lots of support. I was given 2 full sheets (5'x8') so I have extra if there are issues with it.
The cage is painted. The body is primered and waiting for new paint.
I got the plastic cut just need to mount it up. I fabbed up the new rear seat mount since the old ones were cut out with the old rockers.
I'll get some new pics up soon.
rok-jeep 06-25-2011, 08:46 AM It's on the road again. Here is a teaser pic of the new color. Its gloss real orange and the cage and accents are satin granite. They look good together.
It still needs quite a few things to be trail ready but it drives down the road just fine. Its been overheating when crawling and needs a water pump bad. I need to line the tub and move some wires.
I got pissed drilling and tapping the boatside supports to mount the plastic so I stopped that. There has got to be a better way to mount the plastic then drilling and tapping into the support legs. I may just use sheet metal and weld it.
Anyway here's a quick driveway shot. I'll get more pics later.
littlejoe83 06-25-2011, 01:02 PM We just started on the cage. Its mostly all 1.75" DOM but there will be some HREW spreaders mixed in. We got the B pillar and the rear portion tacked in last week. All the measurements for the A pillar were taken last week and we'll get them bent up tomorrow hopefully. I can only make it out there on Friday's due to my work schedule. Working graveyard sucks.
I was hoping to have new suspension seats for the front and back to work into the build but $$ needs to go elsewhere and this is afterall just a toy. I have 5" between my head the cage when seated in the driver seat. The seat is in the position I drive in.
Anyway here is the start of it. I will get more pics as we make more progress.
I'll get some pics of the old windshield pillars and the rear door area where they were cut. Eric massaged them so there are no big holes left from the cuts. We were going to just cap them but Eric was able to make some more room for the C pillar by doing it the way he did.
Looks great man! What wall is the 1.75 Dom? And is it up racing rules?
akacroftie 06-25-2011, 01:24 PM HELL YEAH!! looks great, the cage is by far one of the best looking XJ cages I've seen! Lets get some more pictures of this thing! :beer:
bmanga 06-26-2011, 07:10 AM Looks good man! :smokin:
How hard is it to get into with the "door/seat" bars a part of the cage?
rok-jeep 06-26-2011, 07:26 AM Looks great man! What wall is the 1.75 Dom? And is it up racing rules?
It's .120 and I have no idea about the racing rules. I don't race it, just for the Con and family wheeling. I've done one "comp" if you call it that. It was RenoRocks at the Sands. It was fun, all man made gunnite courses. I placed 3rd in the Unlimited division club challenge.
rok-jeep 06-26-2011, 07:29 AM Looks good man! :smokin:
How hard is it to get into with the "door/seat" bars a part of the cage?
Its easy, just Dukes of Hazzard style. The rears might be harder, I haven't tired to get into the back but as long as my daughter can (and she has) that is all I'm really worried about.
bmanga 06-26-2011, 08:06 AM Cool! :smokin:
Looks nice and safe for the girl too! My girl was in my XJ the last time we rolled it. She has been hesitant in getting back in. LOL! Roll cage did it's job though.
Again, looks good man! :grinpimp:
unclethumbtack 06-27-2011, 09:04 PM That is a great looking rig. I might steal some of your ideas when I decide to take the top off.
rok-jeep 06-28-2011, 05:37 PM That is a great looking rig. I might steal some of your ideas when I decide to take the top off.
Thank you, I'll get some more pics up of everything all painted up soon. But there is still more work to do and no money to do it with.
rok-jeep 06-28-2011, 09:13 PM Here's a pic from a buddy of mine. My local 4x4 club was in a parade. This was taken in line waiting to go. You can get the side profile perspective here.
My daughter and some of her friends were in the back.
looking awesome man I think thats the best looking chopped XJ I have ever seen!
cherock91 06-29-2011, 06:40 PM I read about your jeep in jp mag. And thought it was awesome then, but man its badass now. If im ever in nv and get pulled over I hope its you lol
bmanga 06-29-2011, 07:31 PM Jungle Gym for the kids, gotta love it! :lmao:
rok-jeep 06-29-2011, 09:53 PM I read about your jeep in jp mag. And thought it was awesome then, but man its badass now. If im ever in nv and get pulled over I hope its you lol
Thanks bud, that means alot. That mag article was awesome and getting the cover was unreal.
Come to Lake Tahoe and have some fun gambling at Stateline and look me up, that's part of where I patrol.
dcorn 06-30-2011, 05:40 AM Finished product looks great! Should come that way from the factory :laughing:
GreatWhiteXJ 08-07-2011, 03:31 AM Baby on the way?
rok-jeep 08-07-2011, 08:52 AM Baby on the way?
Well my wife just found out I was selling it and got pissed, so its not for sale anymore. She told me just to fix it. So I'm going to do that.
Oh and no baby on the way, in fact I got snipped Wednesday afternoon so that is no longer a possibility:D
kaosVictim 08-08-2011, 07:35 AM Glad to hear would have hated seeing this thing go to some spoiled rich kid or something keep up the good work it looks awesome so far
frontier13 08-08-2011, 08:09 AM Also glad to hear yours is the one that finalized my decision to go tons. Keep it up
T-frady 11-22-2011, 06:38 PM Well hope u dont mind but going to try ur cage on my rig with a twist..... Its a dovetailed jeep
rok-jeep 11-27-2011, 11:58 PM Well hope u dont mind but going to try ur cage on my rig with a twist..... Its a dovetailed jeep
No worries brother. Go for it.
rok-jeep 11-27-2011, 11:59 PM I'm getting ready to cut the rear quarter panels off and tube the back. I plan on keeping the stock floor pan in the back as the cage is built into it. I'm going to have some fullsize xj gear taillight cans for sale soon.......Need to pay for more tube. :D
I finally finished plating the boatsides. I was going to use plastic and drill and tap the new rocker supports but that proved to be a major PITA! So I had a buddy cut some 1/4" plate for me on his laserjet and I burned them on. I'll get some pics up tomorrow in the daylight.
Still having overheating issues too. Replaced the fan clutch and water pump. Tried to flush the radiator as best as possible. I think it still has air in it. The temp gauge will peg to 260* but its not boiling over and the overflow is not full. Very strange. Also I found the aux fan is not working anymore so that can't help. Time for a new one. I think a grill deep water crossing at Fordyce may have been the cause of that issue.
frontier13 11-28-2011, 01:10 AM I had some heating issues flushed my system completely out dropped to a 180 thermostat and put some water in. With my twin electric fans doesn't get above 180. The electrics are 34 a piece at checker 900cfm one is wired to the old back up fans wiring for thermo activation other is on a switch..simple 1/8" flat stock mount.. just my .02 worth helped mine out a lot
SheetMetalSlug 11-29-2011, 05:22 PM word on the streetz is................... yous is gettin a 60. nice talking with you today geoff, i cant wait to come down and get that 44
rok-jeep 11-29-2011, 09:30 PM word on the streetz is................... yous is gettin a 60. nice talking with you today geoff, i cant wait to come down and get that 44
I have no idea what you are talking about........:smokin:
But with the 60 I can finally throw on some 42" Rockers!!!! Shoot me a PM or call when you want to come down Dave.
rok-jeep 02-01-2012, 11:42 AM Here are the plated boatsides.....1/4" I left the ends open so I could still use my high lift if necessary.
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