I'm sure to get FLAMED for this question but......... Is there any way that I could run 38 x12.5 x 15 tsl/sx on a D30? I know that there are a few people that have done it. Could it be done for a year or so. (temporary so funds could be raised)?

If you need 38s, then you need axles.:flipoff2:

Joey probably doesn't want me to say this, since you all will probably make life a little rough for him here on the board...

He's taken third in a local comp @ the hot springs ORV park, flopped it a ton of times, and is currently looking for a front 60. The rear already has one, since it had a 35 stock. He runs 38x12.50 SX's.

I've seen his stock 30 axle take some scary abuse in the hot springs rock garden - and he likes the fun pedal... the TJ 30 holds up much better than the CJ/YJ unit, simply because of the larger u-joint, where the older 30s usually fail. However, it *is* still limited by the fairly small differential components, no matter if you make the u-joints and axle shafts out of unobtanium or not.

If I'm right, it's broken two stub shafts.

IMO, unless you run the hammers every weekend, you'll be fine. Just make sure you carry spare shafts so you don't ruin everyone's trailride by making them tow you back to camp after a part youKNEW was weak finally fails. ;)

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yes you could do it but you wont be able to rasi any money since you will be bustin parts all the time:D:D:D:D

actually the D30 doesn;t really have many problems other than u-joints and the vaccum dico if its a newer model 30...if you are careful sure you can do it but is it recommended??? I think yo know the answer to that:D:flipoff2:

Since it was brought up?? How will a super 44 w/4.88's and a detroit do with 38 12.5's? Does it have to be a D60?

I did it for a while. I certainly wouldn't lock the frontend if you do it.

Don't polish a turd, PLAN on replacing it with a 44 / 60 or something.

Make sure you have spare shafts, seals etc and you know how to change them.

a D44 with Warn shafts and CTMs is probably as strong shaft-wise as a stock D60. It's still got punier knuckles, R&P etc, but you might not NEED the beef. It's certainly cheaper to go to a stock D44 and then upgrade as you need to if you're funds limited.

THAT SAID....

60's 60's 60's

That's what I run, no problems so far.

-J

one of the SkyJunker Jeeps runs 38's and a Dana 30 front

yes it can be done

(carry alot of spares)

I would seriously consider the 44. I don't know about you or anyone else, but the last thing i want to do when i FINALLY get the chance to wheel is spent most the time on the trail fixing my junk, u-joints, axles what ever.

About what TnToy earlier about my D-30 is true. It has held up wonderfully. I do beat on it and have only broke 2 u-joints since I have owned the JEEP. The D-30 is a good unit but U need to upgrade ASAP. I am in the process of looking for a front 60 for mine as we speak. So dont throw out that 30 Just yet.Actually evan they are 38x14.5 ......You still want to buy them??-----Joey

This is what 38's does to a D44.......why would you even wan tto try a D30? :shaking:

Yeah!.......Dem dare tirdy ates will bustem up yer tail light every time! Git yerself two Dana tirdy's,.... tirdy and tirdy is sixty ain't it?

Sorry, when I was talking about the Superior 44 I meant the rear. Will it be up to the task?

Originally posted by 4Bangler
Dem dare tirdy ates will bustem up yer tail light every time!


More like when you dump it on its side in the Sluice Box on 38's it kills yer taillight :flipoff2:

Hell ya!!! The 30 rocks, great for crusin' the hill.....AAAhhhh people kill me sometimes :mad:

Originally posted by Lincolnloc
Hell ya!!! The 30 rocks, great for crusin' the hill.....AAAhhhh people kill me sometimes :mad: My 30 has held up fine so far and I do a little more than cruse tha hill:flipoff2: And by the way :flipoff2: WELCOME!!

If the question was "would I do it?" the answer would be no. I'd wait save up the cash for the tires and the axles to handle them.

But you can.
If you are OK with the feeling after you break it and everyone's comments come flooding into your head. And then you wonder how you are going to get out of hwere you are, or 'oh shit, now I got to fix it'.

Who knows, you may be able to wheel it without breakage, but for me, when and if I broke it I would be thinking "they all told me so" and in the end, I would know it cost me more to go that way.

Charly

I fried my 4.88s with 37" tires, 38" SXs.....don't do it. Why in the world do you need the large tires? I guessing its for looks/bragging rights, because if you need 38s, you already know you need new axles.


edit: as for the Super 44 and 38s, ask Dust Puppy, his rear dana 44 didn't last one trip on 38s.

Originally posted by Beast40
I fried my 4.88s with 37" tires, 38" SXs.....don't do it. Why in the world do you need the large tires? I guessing its for looks/bragging rights, because if you need 38s, you already know you need new axles.


edit: as for the Super 44 and 38s, ask Dust Puppy, his rear dana 44 didn't last one trip on 38s.

i thought he blew up his 44 backing over a curb or something like that. if not, what broke?

Hunter

Originally posted by xjpart2


i thought he blew up his 44 backing over a curb or something like that. if not, what broke?

Hunter




Well that is just as bad, I thought he told me he did it on the trail.

I wouldn't run 38's on anything less than a 44, but I wouldn't run a 44 if you are going to upgrade, just go straight to a 60. Its more expensive, but I think its worth it.
Scott

Ok, I know most of yall run those 60s. I think that is cool! But there are those of us who do go hard on our jeeps but cannot possible FIT the 60! I dont think you could put a 60 in a XJ, which I have, unless you had like 13" of lift. Believe me I tried. I am at 8" and got a 60 and worked on it and set it all up. Then putting it under neath! HAHA:eek: no. The diff is just to big to use if you like FLEX. So I am searching for a 44 to put in there. I run the 30 and know pleanty of guys who can run JV all week long with the 30 and NEVER have a problem. It is all in how you drive mainley. I know I am prolly going to eat my words on this, BUT GET OFF YOUR DAMN 60s!!!!

I have seen a Dana 30 with TJ shafts and u-joints, sounds right.. under a LS1 powered YJ with 39.5s boggers hold up to some serious shit, Infact he won a competition last year running that setup. He ran it for the same reason this guy is asking the question he just didnt have the money for the Dana 60 front at the time so he just made due with what he had. Note he had a Dyntrac-60 rear

He now how has dana 60 up front and 44" boggers. The first thing that broke was the front-output shaft on his NP231.

redrum you know who Im talking about "TITAN"

http://www.cowtownjeeps.com/trip/cic_09_23_01/DSC00080.JPG

Originally posted by DynamicCrawler
http://www.cowtownjeeps.com/trip/cic_09_23_01/DSC00080.JPG

i have been there! clayton ok. jim and juanitas or a.b.c which ever. it's all in the same creek bed.

Originally posted by DynamicCrawler
I have seen a Dana 30 with TJ shafts and u-joints, sounds right.. under a LS1 powered YJ with 39.5s boggers hold up to some serious shit, Infact he won a competition last year running that setup. He ran it for the same reason this guy is asking the question he just didnt have the money for the Dana 60 front at the time so he just made due with what he had. Note he had a Dyntrac-60 rear

He now how has dana 60 up front and 44" boggers. The first thing that broke was the front-output shaft on his NP231.

redrum you know who Im talking about "TITAN"

http://www.cowtownjeeps.com/trip/cic_09_23_01/DSC00080.JPG

Yes, that would be Brian (TITAN). We hear that story all the time around the club when people talk about upgrading tire sizes and running on a Dana 30 front axle. He is a great driver, and a great Jeep buddy to have. He has one sweet YJ.

Originally posted by High5


i have been there! clayton ok. jim and juanitas or a.b.c which ever. it's all in the same creek bed.

Yep, that would be the trail CiC was held on last year. Pretty rough, to bad all those trails are closed.

How are things going with your rig I havent really seen you post much over on cowtown since you tore you stuff up from what I read in your post.

while were on the topic, whats going on with the Super 44? Are they making a kit for the front axle yet? Im planning to run 38s on my 44/60. I have the Warn outers. Would it be more worthwhile to just get some good inner shafts and some CTMs?

Originally posted by Ruckus
Im planning to run 38s on my 44/60. I have the Warn outers. Would it be more worthwhile to just get some good inner shafts and some CTMs?

Dont know about the super 44 kit. Yes you should get some good inner shafts, Warn alloy axle shafts seem to be the best of them. Jack from CTM recommends running Warn shafts with his CTM joints.

If you do this then your lockout-hub is going to be your weak link, if you dont like to change hubs you might look into gettting some drive flanges. Drive flanges would not be good with a daily driver, with a full time T-case, essentailly you will be locked in/ 4wd all the time.

Didn't know that they were building a super 44 for the front. That would be a sweet upgrade. However after all this talk I think I'm gonna keep saving and get me sum 60's. Called dynatrac today and they want $11,000 for front and rear pro-rock's. This does include the high clearance steering set-up. ( tie-rod and draglink) . All I can think is RAPE! So the search continues. :confused:

i was reading a mag a few months back, there was an article on a 33 spline 44, they installed an ARB with 33 spline warn shafts, i am surprised i havent heard anything else about that, any one have any info, yes it would prob be an unessessarly expensive upgrade but it seems like it could be a cheeper route for someone running 38's or a comparable size tire

edit: this was a Front 44

there sure are a lot of "Rock Gods" here talking smack about a TJ Dana 30 and then turn right around and suggest a Dana 44 instead.. explain to me exactly how they differ OTHER than ring gear diameter. The shafts are the same spline/dia and they use the same joint. Most failures that I see with the TJ d30 are ujoint and shafts.. which are same as d44's... correct?

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

If you need 38s, then you need axles.



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Originally posted by scraprock
Ok, I know most of yall run those 60s. I think that is cool! But there are those of us who do go hard on our jeeps but cannot possible FIT the 60! I dont think you could put a 60 in a XJ, which I have, unless you had like 13" of lift. Believe me I tried. I am at 8" and got a 60 and worked on it and set it all up. Then putting it under neath! HAHA:eek: no. The diff is just to big to use if you like FLEX. So I am searching for a 44 to put in there. I run the 30 and know pleanty of guys who can run JV all week long with the 30 and NEVER have a problem. It is all in how you drive mainley. I know I am prolly going to eat my words on this, BUT GET OFF YOUR DAMN 60s!!!!

uhh...step away from the crack pipe, pick up fork, and commence eating words.
there plenty of people running 60s in the rear of their XJs. before i recently totalled mine, i was running an hp60, and there are plenty running 60s back there...and 14 bolts
ps...i had about 7in of lift and it flexed quite well....
not sure why you had issues fitting them.

Originally posted by Buster
there sure are a lot of "Rock Gods" here talking smack about a TJ Dana 30 and then turn right around and suggest a Dana 44 instead.. explain to me exactly how they differ OTHER than ring gear diameter. The shafts are the same spline/dia and they use the same joint. Most failures that I see with the TJ d30 are ujoint and shafts.. which are same as d44's... correct?

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

actually a 44 has bigger shafts, stronger housing, thicker tubes, and stronger knuckles with alot more steering/hub/brake options. And yes housing and knuckle strength do matter, people to break knuckles alot more then some people realize. Your not getting a ton of benifit but total investment can easily be less then a warn "fuck me in the ass with no lube" hub conversion

Not to hyjack the thread (alright, John started it:D ), but it's pretty frickin' easy to put a 60 in the rear of an XJ. The pic is mine w/8 " of lift and 37's.

I know of a couple of folks that run 38's w/ their 30. I don't go wheelin' with them anymore. It's slightly easier to get away with it in the Midwest, but when you head out west to the traction meccas you're in for a world of hurt.

Easy

I've seen a TJ D30 hold up to a lot of abuse. Personally... I would say the hub/bearing assemblies, while they suck for wear/maintenance purposes.. are STRONGER than a D44 manual hub.

I'll hear about 20 hubs failing, then 1 hub/bearing assembly fail.

the biggest thing I have seen go is the U-joints.

So I guess I should sell my 37's and go back to 30x9.5 since my 30/44 combo is just plain weak, for some reason, my spool/ox combo doesn't put too much stress on my stuff, lucky I guess. go figure, complete spares inner/outer/ujoint runs you about a bill, whats the warn spares cost ya for a 44 or 60? carry spares.
shit, after you build a 44, with ctms, chromoly, so forth......., you do the math.

Originally posted by YETI
However after all this talk I think I'm gonna keep saving and get me sum 60's. Called dynatrac today and they want $11,000 for front and rear pro-rock's. This does include the high clearance steering set-up. ( tie-rod and draglink) . All I can think is RAPE! So the search continues. :confused:

If you want some cheap 1-tons look for some military takeouts and just switch you t-case to a pasenger side drop and re-route your exhaust. Military takeouts can be had for under $2K with 4.56 gears, D60 front, 14bolt rear with a Detroit. Problem solved.

Originally posted by jackrabbit1
So I guess I should sell my 37's and go back to 30x9.5 since my 30/44 combo is just plain weak

I would :flipoff2:

After destroying (and I mean everying) two dana 30s with my 37s. The 44, I just put in, was the obvious choice.

Alloys, bigger brakes, 1ton steering, wider, manual hubs, 5on5.5, bigger tubes, bigger R+P, high pinion, 30 spline shafts, 5.38s, all for about as much as it cost to polish a dana 30.

Originally posted by Beast40



After destroying (and I mean everying) two dana 30s with my 37s, the 44, I just put in was the obvious choice.




what? do you wheel by braille beast40? :flipoff2:

shiznit, for the money you got into that 44 inthefront, you could have a 60? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by jackrabbit1



what? do you wheel by braille beast40? :flipoff2:

shiznit, for the money you got into that 44 inthefront, you could have a 60? :rolleyes:


Ahh the old gramatical error come back :flipoff2: Most commonly used by people that need to get a clue about 4 wheeling.

As for getting the 60, you made an assumption/bad guess about what I paid for my front :flipoff2:

But since you must know, $1200 with everything stated above except TJ brackets and the correct gears.....so for you and your fancy dana 30 :flipoff2:

How is that OX working anyhow? We all know why they put OX is huge yellow letters on the diff guard, its to warn people behind you that you have expensive open diffs :flipoff2: And probably won't be making it up the obstacle (and/or mall speed bump in your case)

Originally posted by Beast40



Ahh the old gramatical error come back :flipoff2: Most commonly used by people that need to get a clue about 4 wheeling.

As for getting the 60, you made an assumption/bad guess about what I paid for my front :flipoff2:

But since you must know, $1200 with everything stated above except TJ brackets and the correct gears.....so for you and your fancy dana 30 :flipoff2:

How is that OX working anyhow? We all know why they put OX is huge yellow letters on the diff guard, its to warn people behind you that you have expensive open diffs :flipoff2: And probably won't be making it up the obstacle (and/or mall speed bump in your case)

jackrabbit1 http://www.carolina-performance.com/images/icons/owned.gif by Beast.

Originally posted by scraprock
Ok, I know most of yall run those 60s. I think that is cool! But there are those of us who do go hard on our jeeps but cannot possible FIT the 60! I dont think you could put a 60 in a XJ, which I have, unless you had like 13" of lift. Believe me I tried. I am at 8" and got a 60 and worked on it and set it all up. Then putting it under neath! HAHA:eek: no. The diff is just to big to use if you like FLEX.

:rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by scraprock
Ok, I know most of yall run those 60s. I think that is cool! But there are those of us who do go hard on our jeeps but cannot possible FIT the 60! I dont think you could put a 60 in a XJ, which I have, unless you had like 13" of lift. Believe me I tried. I am at 8" and got a 60 and worked on it and set it all up. Then putting it under neath! HAHA:eek: no. The diff is just to big to use if you like FLEX. So I am searching for a 44 to put in there. I run the 30 and know pleanty of guys who can run JV all week long with the 30 and NEVER have a problem. It is all in how you drive mainley. I know I am prolly going to eat my words on this, BUT GET OFF YOUR DAMN 60s!!!!

I think young Master Scraphead is referring to stuffing a 60 in the front. Yes the pumkin is bigger than a 30 and you have to get creative with the trackbar mount and trackbar. However there are plenty of TJ's with 60's out there.

I have run a 9"/D30 combo for the past year with 35s. I broke my 31sp dutchman shaft and twisted the other shaft to the point where it's ready to break. I full "get it" with the right pedal and I have yet to break my front. I have spit out u joint caps on two occasions and caught these before an actual break. FWIW, there is a guy running around nor cal in a tan TJ with 44" tires on D30/D44 combo. Freaked my shit when I saw him on Barret.

SeanP

oh thats right, i can't wheel, but obviously you can from those hardcore pics in the mud and pozer shots....:flipoff2: that you got rollin'.

Aren't there any rocks out east, or do you do your best to avoid them?
Did daddy decide to open the check book for the dynatrac?:flipoff2:
Let me know when you come out to big CO with that "built by daddy" rig and I'll show you how to wheel a D30/D44 with 37's no problem, and put your easy 6k combo setup to shame.:flipoff2:


by the way, were your D30/D44 even locked? please.
happy web wheelin'

Explain to me how you blew up your axles? Was it on the ghetto ramp at the shop who did your work or was it when you were concentrating on the ultimate poser shot?

BTW: I hope the 40 in your nickname isnt your IQ.

Originally posted by JeffsCJ5
Explain to me how you blew up your axles? Was it on the ghetto ramp at the shop who did your work or was it when you were concentrating on the ultimate poser shot?

BTW: I hope the 40 in your nickname isnt your IQ.

Hey all you newb boobs.

Why don't you stop arguing and start lookin for a 44/60 when your D30 brakes running those meaty 38" tires. If you want to run 38"s or whatever size tires on your D30, by all means do it. Don't come crying back here with your busted D30...we warned you.

For the money you spend polishing a Turd you could have a 44. Bottom line. Don't believe me? Look around for 44 prices, hell alot of people have got them for free. Don't believe what we are saying? Fine, by all means build a glorified 30.

We don't need people accusing people of breaking things when ramping your shit. We don't care about ramp scores here. I'm tired of all the bickering. This is a board for people trying to get out there and wheel, not cruise the mall parking lots, so don't accuse them of doing so. When you guys stop arguing and grow up feel free to come back here. :rolleyes:

//vent off

Originally posted by Jason R


Hey all you newb boobs.

We don't need people accusing people of breaking things when ramping your shit. We don't care about ramp scores here. I'm tired of all the bickering. This is a board for people trying to get out there and wheel, not cruise the mall parking lots, so don't accuse them of doing so. When you guys stop arguing and grow up feel free to come back here. :rolleyes:

//vent off

First off, thanks dad, didn't know I needed your permission to suggest what a fellow wheeler wanted to run on his/her rig.

Thought this was the hardcore, tough skin, take it or leave it board. Didn't know the sensitivity scale was turned on. I went off topic when Beast40 threw in his .02. Hey, sorry to stray, but the same topic rolls on every board and you always get the same ol' deal. Just trying to give some helpful advice with my experiences. But when some guy rolls in calling out my wheeling ability, having not a clue, well game on.

Homepages don't lie my brotha, so that said, back to the web wheelin.

PS, good luck in selling your jeep, maybe you can come back here as well.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by jackrabbit1
oh thats right, i can't wheel, but obviously you can from those hardcore pics in the mud and pozer shots....:flipoff2: that you got rollin'.

Aren't there any rocks out east, or do you do your best to avoid them?
Did daddy decide to open the check book for the dynatrac?:flipoff2:
Let me know when you come out to big CO with that "built by daddy" rig and I'll show you how to wheel a D30/D44 with 37's no problem, and put your easy 6k combo setup to shame.:flipoff2:


by the way, were your D30/D44 even locked? please.
happy web wheelin'

Thats the funniest shit I have heard, sorry but we do have rocks, I do wheel them and I did my carnage wheeling at Tellico, heard of it? Maybe its the fact that I can afford expensive parts that put your panties in a wad. You must have selective seeing if all you saw was mud pics or once again this is like the grammar, you had no real point so you had to make one up, like an insecure school boy. :rolleyes:

I would love to wheel in CO, would do it in a heart beat, just don't have the time, gotta work to pay for all these parts. :flipoff2:

Maybe me and you can meet up at an Erocc event and then we can test your dana 30 front and dana 44 rear, are you up to that? Better bring a trailer :flipoff2:

You can call me a web wheeler all you want, but I have seen what 37" tires do to a dana 30 twice. Yours might have survived those grueling trips to the mall but come do Lower 2 or anyone of the other moderate to hard trails here in the east.

Originally posted by Beast40


Thats the funniest shit I have heard, sorry but we do have rocks, I do wheel them and I did my carnage wheeling at Tellico, heard of it? Maybe its the fact that I can afford expensive parts that put your panties in a wad. You must have selective seeing if all you saw was mud pics or once again this is like the grammar, you had no real point so you had to make one up, like an insecure school boy. :rolleyes:

I would love to wheel in CO, would do it in a heart beat, just don't have the time, gotta work to pay for all these parts. :flipoff2:

Maybe me and you can meet up at an Erocc event and then we can test your dana 30 front and dana 44 rear, are you up to that? Better bring a trailer :flipoff2:

You can call me a web wheeler all you want, but I have seen what 37" tires do to a dana 30 twice. Yours might have survived those grueling trips to the mall but come do Lower 2 or anyone of the other moderate to hard trails here in the east.

Beast
i thought i read somewhere that at least one of your d30 r&p failures was do to improper installation and or faulty parts? that doesnt sound like hardcore trail carnage to me:flipoff2: :D :confused:

Hunter

If I have to turn this car around, there's going to be hell to pay, YOU HEAR ME????? Roll your eyes at me will you, I'll roll your little heads! DO YOU THINK I'M TALKING JUST TO HEAR MYSELF TALK???!?!?!? Don't make me take my belt off.

:rolleyes:

Timeout for both of ya.

SeanP

Man you guys are like little kids.. If I recall correctly beast, something wasnt set up right in your XJ HP 30 front, and you blew the R&P pulling out of your driveway. Well, Im gonna run 37's on my D30.. what do you think of that? Ive only broken 1 260 x joint on my D30 currently, with 35's, and Im upgrading to 297s before I put 37's on it. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.
:D
Scott

Originally posted by Beast40


Thats the funniest shit I have heard, sorry but we do have rocks, I do wheel them and I did my carnage wheeling at Tellico, heard of it? Maybe its the fact that I can afford expensive parts that put your panties in a wad. You must have selective seeing if all you saw was mud pics or once again this is like the grammar, you had no real point so you had to make one up, like an insecure school boy. :rolleyes:

I would love to wheel in CO, would do it in a heart beat, just don't have the time, gotta work to pay for all these parts. :flipoff2:

Maybe me and you can meet up at an Erocc event and then we can test your dana 30 front and dana 44 rear, are you up to that? Better bring a trailer :flipoff2:

You can call me a web wheeler all you want, but I have seen what 37" tires do to a dana 30 twice. Yours might have survived those grueling trips to the mall but come do Lower 2 or anyone of the other moderate to hard trails here in the east.

Hey brotha, more power to ya, school boy, let's see, you're 22, so either you just got out of higher education, or your still livin at home to afford dynatrac and all the bolt-on goodies that your rollin, or wait, were you the powerball winner, please. Hey, we all want D60's with atlas and so forth, but, like I said early, do you really need that running through rivers and up a hill my grandmas subaru could make.

so what do you do?

Hey, no problem, wheres it at, do you plan on competing? If so, you may want to remove the daylighters, would be a shame to destroy the mall lighting. After that, follow me back out to penrose,CO, moab or montrose, then we can see how you work in 4Lo instead of 4hi.

Seen where? all I saw from your pics where guys with brand new tjs, and guys running around on 33's and 35's. Did I miss somethin'?

Like I said earlier, giving out suggestions and opinions to what a wheeler wants to run is what boards are all about. But when you roll out saying the shit will never hold, coming from someone that either set up his shit wrong, or some monkey set it up wrong for him, has no business even commenting, thus sending a guy in the wrong direction because your problems forced you that way, that was my point.


Hey, when the other one drops, interpreting what you read comes a lot quicker.

Originally posted by jackrabbit1


Hey brotha, more power to ya, school boy, let's see, you're 22, so either you just got out of higher education, or your still livin at home to afford dynatrac and all the bolt-on goodies that your rollin, or wait, were you the powerball winner, please. Hey, we all want D60's with atlas and so forth, but, like I said early, do you really need that running through rivers and up a hill my grandmas subaru could make.

so what do you do?

Hey, no problem, wheres it at, do you plan on competing? If so, you may want to remove the daylighters, would be a shame to destroy the mall lighting. After that, follow me back out to penrose,CO, moab or montrose, then we can see how you work in 4Lo instead of 4hi.

Seen where? all I saw from your pics where guys with brand new tjs, and guys running around on 33's and 35's. Did I miss somethin'?

Like I said earlier, giving out suggestions and opinions to what a wheeler wants to run is what boards are all about. But when you roll out saying the shit will never hold, coming from someone that either set up his shit wrong, or some monkey set it up wrong for him, has no business even commenting, thus sending a guy in the wrong direction because your problems forced you that way, that was my point.


Hey, when the other one drops, interpreting what you read comes a lot quicker.


Graduated from college last spring thankyou, have lived on my own for 4 and half years and have a very good job.

As for the dana 30, the first one, I grenaded it on the trail, took out the passenger ujiont, long shaft, ring and pinion and split the carrier in two. (was running a lockright)

Happened going up this rockface

http://www.beast40.com/JeepPictures/j340.jpg

It was the weekend after I did tellico and I believe the failure started there.

http://www.beast40.com/JeepPictures/Tellico/j406.jpg

I don't run any lights besides the factory head lights
:rolleyes:

Stop looking at pics from 2+ years ago.

The second axle that blew was a HP30 and it was install error or a bad R+P set, never got to find out, but the install was done by the same guy that sets up most of the R+Ps in the area and I had the first failure.

I do plan on competing have been building my jeep to do so, I just have a few more mods to go and I'll be well on my way.

Originally posted by jackrabbit1


like I said early, do you really need that running through rivers and up a hill my grandmas subaru could make.

Hey man watch the Subaru comments will ya? :p

Umm, back to topic..
Could someone please explain how D30 brakes are going to stop your heavy mall-crawling 22's as well as D44, or 60 brakes would? I don't get that part. Stopping big tires on D30 brakes sucks, and the last time I checked bigger calipers were included on the 44 or 60 upgrade package. :flipoff2:

Last thing, 44's with Warn shafts and CTM's and this and that... you really want a 60, quit farting around and do it! It drags, so shave it. It's heavy, well that's OK, it's down low. Go 60 and never look back.

Buncha fuckin babies.

Originally posted by Slagburn
Umm, back to topic..
Could someone please explain how D30 brakes are going to stop your heavy mall-crawling 22's as well as D44, or 60 brakes would? I don't get that part. Stopping big tires on D30 brakes sucks, and the last time I checked bigger calipers were included on the 44 or 60 upgrade package. :flipoff2:

Last thing, 44's with Warn shafts and CTM's and this and that... you really want a 60, quit farting around and do it! It drags, so shave it. It's heavy, well that's OK, it's down low. Go 60 and never look back.

Buncha fuckin babies.

Amen Brotha. D30 brakes suck my ass and I have a 97 with suppsedly better brakes than the earlier ones. twin piston ford D60 brakes will stop my shit, especially with 5.38s Atlas and automatic pushing thru them.


SeanP

D30 brakes shouldn't even be allowed from the factory with stock 235s, muchless with 33s and bigger.

Sean, I saw that you're selling your '231 on NAXJA; so does this mean an Atlas II is definitely in your future? :D

Yep, bought JohnBuuu's Atlas. He made me a deal I couldn't refuse. My 231 sold to Larry Ratcliffe within 2 hours of my posting the ad. I love it when a plan comes together. Now, if I can just stop changing my mind about the front axle, my rig should be a bit more stout in the the spring. I am probably going to lift some cage ideas from Wes Carpenter and Beezil. I just sold my roof rack today also, so I have $250 more to spend on tube!!!!

What's my 30 worth with an ARB, DOM steering, 4.56s and two sets of spare axles and 3 spare unit hubs? I am hoping to get about $1k for everything and this should buy my 60, less locker gears and narrow/shaving.

SeanP

thats probably a good price.....thats alot of good parts and spare....u couldnt buy that stuff and have it setup for that price....

Well why not build a 9" with 60 outers and all that?

yeah 32's and stock brakes dont even wanna play i cant wait to see the fun with 35's and stock brakes......

Originally posted by NCxj18
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Well why not build a 9" with 60 outers and all that?



I acutally went down this road. By the time I machined the 9" center and set up the 60 outers, the hassel was about the same as shaving and narrowing a 60. The HP 3rd member would cost me about $1300 alone also. Add to this the fact that ARB has been, shall we say...unreliable in their anticiapted ship dates for a 35Spline locker for the 9", and my decision was made. There is no way that I want a detroit up front.

since this thread was about 38s, I am looking at 38 SX's for the front!! Probably just 37 MTR's, though

SeanP

well that makes sense i never priced all that together yet lol havent needed it crusing the mall.....

37's sound so nice......but if i ever go big axles and i mean big....u better believe im doing what JR did MOG's with 9" centers