i got 2 long ass pieces of fire hose for free, and this shiat is heavy, i was wondering if anyone had used it for a yank strap, think it'll hold?

Would you use a garden hose for a winch cable?? I know I wouldnt!

well a garden hose and what i have are slightly different

what i have has material that fells like a tow strap, but its wrapped 2 times around and it has a rubber inner lining, i just didn't know if it would work, thats why i'm askin before i try it

No way, it's not designed for pulling forces.

Exactly what I was stating........;)

Dont do it. The construction is all wrong. The weight you are thinking makes it strong is the rubber lining in the hose, it wont work for yankin. The elongation properties of the hose will act like a big rubber band so when it breaks, and it will, better be standing back. When we charge hose for hydro testing, it is not uncommon for it to stretch 6" or more in length per section from just water pressure. What did ya raid the fire school on campus :flipoff2: . Been there, great classes, disaster city is the schiznet.

Ken

edit: Id save some to use as chaffing gear, works great for wrapping hoses or cables where they rub stuff. Got my winch power leads running through a section of fire hose under the grill.

Dont listen to them. Go ahead and use it. You will be fine.......Plus I can then see this later on in the darwin awards web site.

one of my old roommates got it where he works, we have like 300 ft. of this stuff, just thought it might be worth a try, guess not, and 5spd, don't be a dick, i only asked, not proclaimed it as the ultimate strap and if you goin to say no, please give a somewhat decent reason

EDIT: Damn, i'm glad to see all the people out there that never wondered if something would work, thats why i FUCKING ASKED

Originally posted by aggielr
one of my old roommates got it where he works, we have like 300 ft. of this stuff, just thought it might be worth a try, guess not, and 5spd, don't be a dick, i only asked, not proclaimed it as the ultimate strap and if you goin to say no, please give a somewhat decent reason

EDIT: Damn, i'm glad to see all the people out there that never wondered if something would work, thats why i FUCKING ASKED


Un bunch your panties dude. You asked a question and you got an anwer. Dont act all hurt because it wasnt as sugar coated as you wanted. If I asked if I could use dental floss as lock wire, I would expect some snide comments as well.

waaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaah

if u dont like sum ones answer .. then go tie one end to a tree
and the other to ur bumper and see how long it holds..

Aggies.... :confused:

:flipoff2: :D

Go for it. whats the worst that happens, it breaks. I think the rubber part of it would help make it like a kenetic energy rope. Just make sure it is firmly attatched to both trucks ie no projectiles.

Ron

Originally posted by Malltero


Un bunch your panties dude.

Damn Aggs, always gettin' their panties in a bunch:flipoff2:

As for the sugar coated answer: I've heard of it being used in backwoods Louisianna, but that don't make it right out in E. Texas. Sounds like it might be usefull for a Fraternay floggin' with a 5 or 6 foot section...:flipoff2:

i ain't got my panties in a bunch, just didn't get much tech, and for those of you who said it's like using _____ for ____, have you ever seen one of those hoses? its 3" wide when flat and the outter shell feels exactly like the straps i've used before, just thicker, since we have access to a lot of equipment out where he works, we're goin to do some testing tommorow, see how it holds up, i'll post some pics when i get a chance

i wasn't plannin on takin it out and usin it on the trail w/out some testing, but if anyone here had tried it, it would be a quick yes/no answer, thanks fawkers

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Me and some buddies had to make an extraction one night behind this kids house. It was a HUGE mud bog ( no thanks :shaking: ) and an F-150 was burried up to the grille. We broke the only cheesy "real" strap we had so we used a fire hose. We got him 3/4 of the way out and the inner linning of the hose tore out so the hose was wasted, but he got the rest of the way out under his own power.

Originally posted by JS-Economos
Me and some buddies had to make an extraction one night behind this kids house. It was a HUGE mud bog ( no thanks :shaking: ) and an F-150 was burried up to the grille. We broke the only cheesy "real" strap we had so we used a fire hose. We got him 3/4 of the way out and the inner linning of the hose tore out so the hose was wasted, but he got the rest of the way out under his own power.

Hmmm. Sounds like fire hose is stronger than some folks thought. Not sure I'd want to trust a "not-really-a-strap" strap to hold me from going into 20 rolls down the side of a hill. But mud extraction? Sure, I'd use it. Somebody else is gonna hafta walk that hose out there to 'em, cuz I don't do mud if I have a choice, and that especially includes draggin' a strap out to you through the mud to get you unstuck :D

The firehoses are designed to take the expansion force from the center of the hose outward, not laterally like in a pulling situation. When a firehose gets run over, much like a climbing rope, it's essentially ruined.

Fire Hose is designed to stretch. But not like you want.

My question is this... WHY? Tow strap cost like 30 bucks.
Open your fawking wallet and let out a few moths.

Ok, with that aside. Way back when... I was 16 and we used tow-truck chains for yank straps.. (I said way back when)
Well you guessed it the only chain we had broke while yanking.
Still stuck. So I tied the chain in a knot and it held!

FYI When your down on your luck and have to try something, That is when you try it. But if it's avoidable, DON'T!:blender: :bender:

i have a "strap", but it's only 30', and being from a place where mud is unavoidable, and frat boys get their Z71's stuck on a daily basis after it rains, i figure 80-90' of something that might work would be cool, cause i can make money off something i got for free, and i don't even have to get muddy

Originally posted by aggielr
i have a "strap", but it's only 30', and being from a place where mud is unavoidable, and frat boys get their Z71's stuck on a daily basis after it rains, i figure 80-90' of something that might work would be cool, cause i can make money off something i got for free, and i don't even have to get muddy

Keep in your mind you may be paying for said frat boys windshield, or worse going to their funeral, because you picked the wrong tool for the job.

If you want to recover from that far, get extra straps and loop them together (dont use a shackel it will become a missel). Or get a winch.

You will feel awfully sorry later on if some one gets hurt, or some ones truck gets fucked up because you think it might work cool. Even more sorry if they sue you.

cut it into smaller sections and use it to line your strap. aka like a 5 foot section, slide over strap and slip into position where strap lays on a rock.

I want to get some fire hose to use like that for my webbing for climbing. our local topropeing area is real sharp rock, worn through lots of webbing this year.

I wonder if it would work well to cover a winch line in case the cable breaks?

Originally posted by PTSchram
I wonder if it would work well to cover a winch line in case the cable breaks?

Yup, that's a good app.. cut it into a 12" or so section, and slide it over the cable before you hook up. Good thinkin! :idea:

After some extensive scientific research, we have concluded that a fire hose strap would work only for light duty pulling. No yanking would be advised, but vehicles stuck in mud would be ok. A friend and I did some testing where he works, and we tied one end to these poles that were designed and tested to stop a vehicle up to 2.5 ton from 60mph to a complete stop. We tied the other end to his 1-ton and started to ease out on it and it got stretched damn thin and he had to tug it pretty good to get it to break. Here are a few pics.

http://tamor.org/forum/upload/attachment.php?s=&postid=10656

http://tamor.org/forum/upload/attachment.php?s=&postid=10657

http://tamor.org/forum/upload/attachment.php?s=&postid=10658

Sorry, no photos were taken during testing because of saftey reasons

I referred to it as a "scholastic research procedure" because I work at a research annex for A&M (old army/af base) and we did this research while I was working. All in the name of science.

Results proved axactly as he said. They are fine for recovery from stuck vehicles from far away as long as they aren't buried. It held
pretty well, but in the end was no match for the Ford and it's Powerstroke on a paved road.

The flaw in our experiment is this: I was on a paved road and the pole we were using was not moving any time soon. Maybe soon we will try the 4" ones as opposed to 3" ones to pull a vehicle while I am off the pavement. I think that will provide more conclusive results due to less traction and less inertia.

Gig 'em

umm the white dodge is a one ton?
damn those tx boysdont know how to read do they..:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

yea, they made a srw 1-ton dodge in '99, no jackass, the 1 ton isn't pictured, but here is a picture of it
:flipoff2:


http://tamor.org/forum/upload/attachment.php?s=&postid=9694

Paid $8000 for a 96 4x4 xl diesel F-350 with 140k miles.

I think it was a good deal. Hopefully it is good to me.

Originally posted by aggielr
A friend and I did some testing where he works, and we tied one end to these poles that were designed and tested to stop a vehicle up to 2.5 ton from 60mph to a complete stop.

http://tamor.org/forum/upload/attachment.php?s=&postid=10658


HA! That looks like one of them street sign thingies we steal der signs off of!!


[creative wording makes life interesting sometimes, I love it!!]

Sorry hoss, the pole we attached it to isn't the poles with the signs you generally steal, it was MUCH larger. Like I said, it was designed and tested to stop vehicles up to 2.5 ton to a complete stop from 60 mph. I'll get my buddy to get the picture they have out there of the test and show ya'll.

not like we didn't guess it would not work but thanks for testing it and proving it does not work. always worth a try.

Honestly, I didn't figure it would work either, but at the price of $free.99, its hard not to at least test in a controlled safe environment. Like mentioned earlier, probably work great for wrapping around winch cable, put around wires and what not to keep from rubbing, but just not as a strap.

Originally posted by Mazda4x4
I referred to it as a "scholastic research procedure" because I work at a research annex for A&M (old army/af base) and we did this research while I was working. All in the name of science.

Results proved axactly as he said. They are fine for recovery from stuck vehicles from far away as long as they aren't buried. It held
pretty well, but in the end was no match for the Ford and it's Powerstroke on a paved road.

The flaw in our experiment is this: I was on a paved road and the pole we were using was not moving any time soon. Maybe soon we will try the 4" ones as opposed to 3" ones to pull a vehicle while I am off the pavement. I think that will provide more conclusive results due to less traction and less inertia.

Gig 'em

Now that you tested the ultimate breaking strength of the fire hose, try the same test with a 3" RECOVERY STRAP and see if the Powerstroke has enough ass to break it. My money is on the strap--not the 'Stroke.

Interesting thread...although I did like the comment that it would work maybe in mud...... made me smile. We use 6" wide straps here and they fail regularily when used hard....I have managed to shear a reciever hitch pin once even...what we do here for long dustance pulls...(over 30') is use a barge rope...you can buy em around the Mississippi area here easily....most are 100' or more, and basically unbreakable.

NoRM
where the strap is king and the winch is for light duty work.

Originally posted by camo
not like we didn't guess it would not work but thanks for testing it and proving it does not work. always worth a try.
I agree, i have always wondered this too, but never felt like trying it out.
From a local firefighter, the hoses from the 60's are made stonger then what we have now, so dig some of those and try em out

Originally posted by Malltero


Keep in your mind you may be paying for said frat boys windshield, or worse going to their funeral,

Bonus. Frats are :rainbow:

We'll try to test a 4" hose this weekend, but instead of using a pole and pavement we will get in the dirt and yank on a truck with it (not too hard).

To the guy who breaks 6" straps regularly... Do these sort of incidents classify under the "Hey ya'll, watch this!" bracket? I can't imagine yanking something hard enough to break a 6" strap. I let some HW mowers use my 3" strap doubled over to pull a stuck tractor uphill. I watched it stretch, and was sure it would break but it didn't.

Maybe if your tried one of our patented 100' fire hose combos you could get to some pavement and pull these stuck vehicles out EZ. The reason you have to get speed most of the time in the mud is to build up momentum to make up for lack of traction.

Overall I still feel that we should just fork over the money for some good straps, but we may keep some hoses handy for recovering stuck vehicles from the mud in flat land while keeping our rigs clean and perty.

I once got stuck on flat land in some nasty grass covered wet ground. Some redneck with vertical exhaust pipes who when asked if he had lockers said to me: "Sure! I can lock this sumbitch in 4H or 4L", used about 150' of chain to pull me out while he was still on the pavement. Yeah it was chain, but he didn't have to yank because he had plenty of traction. He even showed me how awesome his truck was by neglecting to "lock" it in either 4H or 4L, but keeping it in 2wd to pull me out. Oh the wonders of paved roads.

ok I wanna see you use a tow strap on same pole...c mon pics!! need to see a 4 wheel powerstroke burnout...


hey anybody know where to get lifting strap?? like overhead rated stuff?

Originally posted by Moab Austin
ok I wanna see you use a tow strap on same pole...c mon pics!! need to see a 4 wheel powerstroke burnout...


hey anybody know where to get lifting strap?? like overhead rated stuff?
goto a pipe shop.. the ones dad use ive seen as much as 12 wide 2 inchs thick.. only bout 15 feet long but huge.

Originally posted by Mazda4x4
We'll try to test a 4" hose this weekend, but instead of using a pole and pavement we will get in the dirt and yank on a truck with it (not too hard).

To the guy who breaks 6" straps regularly... Do these sort of incidents classify under the "Hey ya'll, watch this!" bracket? I can't imagine yanking something hard enough to break a 6" strap. I let some HW mowers use my 3" strap doubled over to pull a stuck tractor uphill. I watched it stretch, and was sure it would break but it didn't.

Maybe if your tried one of our patented 100' fire hose combos you could get to some pavement and pull these stuck vehicles out EZ. The reason you have to get speed most of the time in the mud is to build up momentum to make up for lack of traction.



Come on up north and take a spin off road in MN or WI. You'll change your tune about getting stuck in the mud...

Most of the 4x4 offroad trucks up here are not street legal/street driven or even trucks anymore... More like tractors. Anyway...

About a month ago I was stuck in some mud with my Scout and we managed to bend my rear bumper - 5" Channel with a 1" thick clevis mount bolted to it... Bent it with a 3" strap. No hot rodding, no show boating, the other guy had solid traction stuff just get fully maxed out when you add mud into the equation.

Go get yourself a big azz strap some good clevis' rated at 6+ tons and be safe...

Originally posted by payton

goto a pipe shop.. the ones dad use ive seen as much as 12 wide 2 inchs thick.. only bout 15 feet long but huge.

You're on cocaine, right? 2" thick? You must be talking about continuous kevlar slings. Bling Bling!!! About a $1000 bucks a foot. Nice for critical lifts, but not much good for a jerk strap or daily usage. There's no nylon webbing sling 2" thick. Anything from 1" to 12" is the norm around here... Using a 12" sling as anything other than a cradle, or choker around a coated pipe for example is silly. You're better off going with wire rope, or wire slings for anything that would mandate even close to the capacity of a 12" sling. Much cheaper, and generally easier to identify fatigued areas. I run 80' of 7/16" wire rope and 100' of 1/2" (no thimbles, just crosby clipped back on itself) for recovery in my truck. Sure, it'd be great to have a winch, but when you're in the middle of a skeg field and there's no sizeable trees for a few hundred feet anyways, what's the point? It's not uncommon for me to break 2 or 3 20,000# slings each year, as that's what I use to take up slack between the wire ropes and other trucks that have sure footing and momentum behind them. 'Sides, the other guys have winches.

You should be able to buy slings through most industrial welding shops, or you could go out on a limb and look into a rigging outfit, which would have em..

On the related topic, the nylon liner on fire hose is there for abrasion resistance, not pulling power. I bet you stretched the rubber out inside the hose to breaking point, then broke the webbing like nothing. If, you could somehow pull the webbing from the hose and test that, I bet you wouldn't get much more than say, a 1000 pound pull before snapping. There's a lot of potential energy stored just waiting to go through a grille, or rad... It's not something I'd openly admit to trying.

On the flip side, I wouldn't even think of using it for a mud related rocovery, while, I may be more inclined to use it for a very light jerk strap should a friend become stuck in snow, or high-centered on a rock...

Originally posted by aggielr
5spd, don't be a dick, i only asked, not proclaimed it as the ultimate strap and if you goin to say no, please give a somewhat decent reason

EDIT: Damn, i'm glad to see all the people out there that never wondered if something would work, thats why i FUCKING ASKED


LOL...wow 1st time someone has ever called me a dick for using a metaphore....

You crack me up...if you even reason that the similarities are close....designed to expand much more than stretch under heavy use then my answer is correct and to the point...reason would be common sense. I see you tested it to see for yourself, you could of done that and not had to ask in the first place, you would of known the results...:flipoff2: :flipoff2:
When I want to know if something will work I just go and do it and then I have hands on experience, then you could post as to why NOT to use it as a strap...eh?

:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Good idea on using pieces for a cable cover/protector!

Originally posted by Mazda4x4
To the guy who breaks 6" straps regularly... Do these sort of incidents classify under the "Hey ya'll, watch this!" bracket? I can't imagine yanking something hard enough to break a 6" strap. I let some HW mowers use my 3" strap doubled over to pull a stuck tractor uphill. I watched it stretch, and was sure it would break but it didn't.





I guess that's the one thing in Texas that's NOT bigger, the mud holes!:laughing:
Like uglyscout said, come up north and we'll show you what getting stuck in the mud really means.
I've personally seen a 6" strap break. Well to be fair it was behind a full size Ford with a BB and he was pulling out a jeep with 44's buried up to the bumper.:D

Originally posted by MR4WD


You're on cocaine, right? 2" thick? You must be talking about continuous kevlar slings. Bling Bling!!! About a $1000 bucks a foot. Nice for critical lifts, but not much good for a jerk strap or daily usage. There's no nylon webbing sling 2" thick. Anything from 1" to 12" is the norm around here... Using a 12" sling as anything other than a cradle, or choker around a coated pipe for example is silly. You're better off going with wire rope, or wire slings for anything that would mandate even close to the capacity of a 12" sling. Much cheaper, and generally easier to identify fatigued areas. I run 80' of 7/16" wire rope and 100' of 1/2" (no thimbles, just crosby clipped back on itself) for recovery in my truck. Sure, it'd be great to have a winch, but when you're in the middle of a skeg field and there's no sizeable trees for a few hundred feet anyways, what's the point? It's not uncommon for me to break 2 or 3 20,000# slings each year, as that's what I use to take up slack between the wire ropes and other trucks that have sure footing and momentum behind them. 'Sides, the other guys have winches.

You should be able to buy slings through most industrial welding shops, or you could go out on a limb and look into a rigging outfit, which would have em..

On the related topic, the nylon liner on fire hose is there for abrasion resistance, not pulling power. I bet you stretched the rubber out inside the hose to breaking point, then broke the webbing like nothing. If, you could somehow pull the webbing from the hose and test that, I bet you wouldn't get much more than say, a 1000 pound pull before snapping. There's a lot of potential energy stored just waiting to go through a grille, or rad... It's not something I'd openly admit to trying.

On the flip side, I wouldn't even think of using it for a mud related rocovery, while, I may be more inclined to use it for a very light jerk strap should a friend become stuck in snow, or high-centered on a rock...

never said what the old man does.. and yes there high dollar straps.. but when ur lifting 60 inch pipe over peoples heads then yes its important..

Where I am originally from there are mud pits there that D6,D7's get stuck in, its about 30 min from the coast and 30 min from Louisiana, but here in College Station, its all about 3-8" deep with a hard bottom, so 35+ and you don't have much problem in the mud. It's not like the soupy bottomless shiat, but I still try to avoid it like the plague.

Originally posted by Mazda4x4

To the guy who breaks 6" straps regularly... Do these sort of incidents classify under the "Hey ya'll, watch this!" bracket? I can't imagine yanking something hard enough to break a 6" strap. I let some HW mowers use my 3" strap doubled over to pull a stuck tractor uphill. I watched it stretch, and was sure it would break but it didn't.

Maybe if your tried one of our patented 100' fire hose combos you could get to some pavement and pull these stuck vehicles out EZ. The reason you have to get speed most of the time in the mud is to build up momentum to make up for lack of traction.



Well Mazda dude....Since you asked I will clarify the procedure of removing a stuck rig from the mud. First imagine a full size rig weighing at or around 6000lbs stuck to the tops of it's bumpers in bottomless mud. The truck doing the pulling attempts to find a hard surface....( more often than not we are happy to find a place the pulling truck can move at all ) The strap is attached using screw type clevis's to secure mounting points. The truck doing the tugging will line up so that when the slack is out of the strap he is pointed slightly off from straight on (this is done for safety so that in event of failure the strap will miss each rig hopefully if something breaks, as well as it helps break the suction of the mud if a little off center) then the truck pulling will take up some slack (say 10-15ft or so) and at that point firewall the throttle and hang on. The impact can be quite brutal trust me. Sometimes you may repeate this 5-10 times depending on if you see progress. The "stretch n snap" straps are designed to transfer the energy to the pulled truck and magnify it. It is not uncommon to see trucks on harder ground stretch a 6" wide strap to the point of 3-4" wide when doing this. Yes things break.....frames can twist..ect. This is just part of the wheeling we have here as most stucks involving this kind of mud are out of the realm of a recovery winch. I have been involved in some recovery situation where it has taken 3 rigs pulling together to remove a stuck truck..the forces in question can be incredable and trusting your strap and attachement points is a must. And I hope you were kidding about the reaching pavement idea?.......unless you have a strap 40+ miles long you will not likley reach any pavement.

NoRM

Originally posted by P|n-BaLL


Well Mazda dude....Since you asked I will clarify the procedure of removing a stuck rig from the mud. First imagine a full size rig weighing at or around 6000lbs stuck to the tops of it's bumpers in bottomless mud. The truck doing the pulling attempts to find a hard surface....( more often than not we are happy to find a place the pulling truck can move at all ) The strap is attached using screw type clevis's to secure mounting points. The truck doing the tugging will line up so that when the slack is out of the strap he is pointed slightly off from straight on (this is done for safety so that in event of failure the strap will miss each rig hopefully if something breaks, as well as it helps break the suction of the mud if a little off center) then the truck pulling will take up some slack (say 10-15ft or so) and at that point firewall the throttle and hang on. The impact can be quite brutal trust me. Sometimes you may repeate this 5-10 times depending on if you see progress. The "stretch n snap" straps are designed to transfer the energy to the pulled truck and magnify it. It is not uncommon to see trucks on harder ground stretch a 6" wide strap to the point of 3-4" wide when doing this. Yes things break.....frames can twist..ect. This is just part of the wheeling we have here as most stucks involving this kind of mud are out of the realm of a recovery winch. I have been involved in some recovery situation where it has taken 3 rigs pulling together to remove a stuck truck..the forces in question can be incredable and trusting your strap and attachement points is a must. And I hope you were kidding about the reaching pavement idea?.......unless you have a strap 40+ miles long you will not likley reach any pavement.

NoRM

I agree with Norm, the mud around here sucks- literally!

Here's a vid clip of a mudding event local to here. I ran out of vidcam battery before they finally got that truck out. Think it took four trucks hooked up to each other to get him out.
http://users.superford.org/ylobronc/video/pinecity7.asf

Originally posted by Insayn
The firehoses are designed to take the expansion force from the center of the hose outward, not laterally like in a pulling situation. When a firehose gets run over, much like a climbing rope, it's essentially ruined.


ummm...no. The fire department came to my school when the alarm went off because of an eletrical melt na they just laid the hoses across the street intersection and after they realized the school wasnt burinig done they just let cars drive over them.