I just picked up this from walmart and couldn't really be happier for $200, it has front and rear disc brakes and 29" tires. The stickers looked like shit but they peeled off really easily. I have a few upgrades in mind but everything seems decent for what I'm gonna use it for, there isn't anything hardcore in Florida unfortunately.

I think first up is to go to a single ring gear up front and get rid of that derailleur, thats what I did on my cheap road bike.

It's a big bike and it fits me at 6'1 pretty well.

Let the flaming begin :flipoff2:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Mongoose-Deception-29-Men-s-All-Terrain-Bike/14956326

WOW... I was just looking at that bike last weekend and am getting one soon. the two I saw at wally mart also has shi**y stickers and were an uglyyyy green color. the online showed a cool silver. I will be using mine for commuting back and forth to work,, 6mi each way. if I get green I hope the color is so ugly no one will steal it.:D

Yeah the stickers are shit

The bottom bracket makes a noise like it has no grease as does the rear free wheel and hub.

I believe the right size is 68x113 for the bottom bracket and 30x10mm for the rear sealed hub bearings.

I will be finding out in a few days when my parts arrive

save your pennies and spend 100 or 200 more and pick up a real bike from your local bike shop.

The "deception" is that it is a real bike.

1) to start with they are assembled in Wmart by semi trained morons who just learned how to use their oposable thumbs.
2) by the time you spend more $$ to bring it up to ridable standards you will have more than spent the cost of a good basic bike.
3) your out of luck with most "direct replacement" parts as the shops usually cannot even get parts for them.
4) Wmart's warranty and "service"

rant off ( i ran a chain of bike shops in the 90's)

oh yeah :flipoff2:

there is a thread on this over at mtbr dot com

I was very interested in the mongoose deception.....the name indicates what it is. I hope stepside enjoys the one he bought. I went to 4 LBS and they all said the same thing. " Upgrade parts will be very hard to find and if you have a major malfunction toss the frame and buy a real bike" I bought a Specialized hardrock disc29er. Very cool bike and only $550 plus calif sales tax. the LBS said that they will tune it for a year free of charge. no timetable, just bring it in. Sean at World of Wheels in Modesto, Ca said the best day to bring it in would be tuesdays and they would have it ready by Fri. :D I cant wait for the weekend to try it out.....wohoooo

Can someone provide a bit more details on my the Walmart bikes should be avoided? I have a buddy asking about them and I would avoid it on principle but other then that have not really solid info on them. In comparison to a Specialized P1?

wait, wut, you mean you dont have to spend $2500 on a bike........

save your pennies and spend 100 or 200 more and pick up a real bike from your local bike shop.

The "deception" is that it is a real bike.

1) to start with they are assembled in Wmart by semi trained morons who just learned how to use their oposable thumbs.
2) by the time you spend more $$ to bring it up to ridable standards you will have more than spent the cost of a good basic bike.
3) your out of luck with most "direct replacement" parts as the shops usually cannot even get parts for them.
4) Wmart's warranty and "service"

rant off ( i ran a chain of bike shops in the 90's)

oh yeah :flipoff2:

there is a thread on this over at mtbr dot com


This is an example of yet another person who is giving their "opinion" without knowing what they are talking about.

So as a Deception owner I'll address each of these "opinions" one by one........

#1 While I agree the average "assembler" at Walmart probably knows nothing about tuning or assembling a bike, modern bikes are easy to tune especially with the HUGE amount of tutorials and videos on the internet that walk the average person thru tuning a bike. In my opinion a bike owner should know how to tune and assemble their own bike. When I bought my Deception I brought it home and went over the entire bike. If there was a procedure that I did not know how to do I looked it up on the internet and followed instructions. I rarely take my bike to a LBS for anything.

#2 Most entry level 29ers start around $500 and come with Shimano Altus or Acera components and entry level Suntour or RockShox forks so you'll probably add another $200 - $300 upgrading an entry level 29er that you just spent $500 for.

#3 This is just "plain ole bullshit!" I went to www.Amazon.com and bought Shimano Alivio front/rear derailleurs that fit without a problem. I also bought a Shimano 68 x 113mm bottom bracket and a Shimano Alivio 175mm square taper crankset from www.jensonusa.com that also fit without an issue. I also replaced the stem on my bike with an Easton stem. I also added a Forte' flat handlebar and Ergon grips. Other upgrades include an Ascent suspension seatpost and a Forte' saddle. Every part that I have purchased for my Deception fits and there are plenty of parts available.

#4 Break the frame on an expensive bike from the LBS and they will tell you they can't help you and refer you back to the bike manufacturer. Break the frame on the Deception from Walmart and you can return it without question as long as you have your receipt.

so is the hardware on these bikes crap and needs to be upgraded or is it good to go right off the shelf?

save your pennies and spend 100 or 200 more and pick up a real bike from your local bike shop.

The "deception" is that it is a real bike.

1) to start with they are assembled in Wmart by semi trained morons who just learned how to use their oposable thumbs.
2) by the time you spend more $$ to bring it up to ridable standards you will have more than spent the cost of a good basic bike.
3) your out of luck with most "direct replacement" parts as the shops usually cannot even get parts for them.
4) Wmart's warranty and "service"

rant off ( i ran a chain of bike shops in the 90's)

oh yeah :flipoff2:

there is a thread on this over at mtbr dot com

Yeah well I have bought a $500 trek HT and it came with the same shitty walmart components and I had to replace the bottom bracket after about two weeks.

The bike industry is a complete joke all together. An entire $4k bike costs the dealer about $1200. The whole thing is a scam, but the shit part is they are all in on it and you can't get around it, or at least I dont' know how.

[QUOTE=enigma2y0u;12732312]An entire $4k bike costs the dealer about $1200./QUOTE]
:shaking: You are a fucking retard.
If the margins on bikes was that high I would still be in the industry.

The bike industry is a complete joke all together. An entire $4k bike costs the dealer about $1200. The whole thing is a scam, but the shit part is they are all in on it and you can't get around it, or at least I dont' know how.[/QUOTE]

No bike shop makes that much money on a bike... Not a single one. At best a shop makes a 33% margin on the bikes they sell. Big companies like trek and specialized only allow their dealers a 28% margin. A bike shop is not a car dealership. There are not able to haggle over pricing since there is not as much money to be made.

[QUOTE=enigma2y0u;12732312]An entire $4k bike costs the dealer about $1200./QUOTE]
:shaking: You are a fucking retard.
If the margins on bikes was that high I would still be in the industry.

Perhaps you're right, the dealer gets hosed, but someone is still fucking someone in the process IMHO. No way a $4500 bike has $4000 worth of shit put into it.

I have had friends in the past who worked at shops and bought "10% over cost" giving them a 50% or more discount. I have also went to bike shops in the late fall when they are getting rid of inventory. A 60% markdown is not uncommon.

So either all dealers are willing to take huge hits on their bikes or it's bullshit.

[QUOTE=enigma2y0u;12732431 No way a $4500 bike has $4000 worth of shit put into it.
[/QUOTE]

A $4500 bike would normally have a wholesale cost somewhere around $3300, and a manufacturing cost of about $2300. Look at how that $2300 is spent. The materials, the precision engineering and machining. It's like comparing a KOH comp buggy with a Daihatsu. They both have 4wd, but are WORLDS apart in capability.

It's just like any other specialty equipment. Higher end equipment usually nets less % of return on the manufactures and retailers investment. A lot of low end stuff is keystone. Your Walmart special is $50 to build, $100 wholesale, $199.95 sale on Sunday.

The end of year sale bikes are usually purchased at a deal from the manufacture who is trying to move old models.