38.5 SX vs. 37 PRODUCTION Krawler [Archive]

TNToy

11-20-2002, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by zachv
I think it is primarily because Interco does not do any contingencies. Yup. It's intersting how they all run MT/Rs or Krawlers, but you see them on trails (not comps) in other pics... and most of them are on SXs. Although I have noticed a lot less of this with the new Krawlers than you used to see when everyone was competeing on MT/Rs.

Makes a big difference if you know that winning will get you big $$$ from BFG or Goodyear if you're running their tires. ;)

11-20-2002, 05:53 PM

Check Lance's tires to make shure they only have air in them! :flipoff2:

My money is on the Krawlers.

High5

11-20-2002, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Lance
I will be conducting a test comparing my 38.5 x 14 x 15 Swaper SX's on 15 x 10 Allied beadlocks against a set of PRODUCTION compound 37 x 17 BFG Krawlers on 17 x 10 Allied beadlocks. It should be an interesting test! Look for the writeup soon.

i love seeing writups like this. a side by side comparison of given products. same driver same rig. granted just because you get one result on one trail doesn't mean it'll be the same on the next but it does give us (readers) info needed to make decisions on which tire works better in certain situations . i'd like to see more of these writups. side by side comparisons. you don't get that much from magazines. they just basically pimp any product coming from a sponsor. unbiased appraisals of real world performance is what we all want....need! keep it up lance.

Lance

11-20-2002, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by High5

i'd like to see more of these writups. side by side comparisons. you don't get that much from magazines.

Probably because it's a pain in the ass. :D

pitter

11-20-2002, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by JohnnyJ
how about throwing a set of MTRs in the mix?

that would be good to, if you could get a free set? and rims, i mean beadlocks:eek: :flipoff2:

TNToy

11-20-2002, 09:44 PM

Crap! Now I'm one tire behind the "Cool" tire again! I just bought some 38.5s trying to be like the Fat Bastid... :flipoff2:

How long will it be till you do the evaluation?

Bill4rest

11-21-2002, 11:18 AM

Lance

11-21-2002, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Bill4rest

You and Mike are sponsored by BFG right? So how can this be an unbiased test? Not trying to be a smart ass, but I can see BFG getting pissed that their boy’s are saying negative things.:confused:

I am not sponsored by anyone. Mike is. I was given both sets of tires by the MFGRs, and I don't owe anyone any bias.

morpheus

11-21-2002, 11:31 AM

I thought Lance was sponsored by Taco Bell :D

- jack

GloNDark

11-21-2002, 11:32 AM

Can I buy the swampers from ya when you're done? ;)

:D:D:D

Sounds like fun, can't wait to hear the results. :D

BadAZYj

11-21-2002, 01:22 PM

I got dibs on the krawlers if your sellin em:D

SanDiegoCJ

11-21-2002, 01:35 PM

quote:
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Originally posted by 1988YJ
Are you going to use the same vehicle, same driver, same course with both sets of tires?

Originally posted by Lance

yep.

What vehicle are you using. I thought you sold the :fj:

Lance

11-21-2002, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by SanDiegoCJ
quote:
What vehicle are you using. I thought you sold the :fj:

Nope, didn't sell it. I will be using the :fj:

11-21-2002, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by BadAZYj
I got dibs on the krawlers if your sellin em:D

Damn! You beat me to it! ...Somebody's got to have a set of Krawlers(even if beat to hell) they want to unload to a good home:D

Lance, just curious, any chance you would have a weight comparison included too? ...And an actuall tire height measurement of the tires? I know the swamper weight/height has been discussed here before but, I have heard from more than one source, that the Krawlers measure every bit of their claimed 37"(unlike Goodyears)...Just curious

Bill4rest

11-22-2002, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by Lance

I am not sponsored by anyone. Mike is. I was given both sets of tires by the MFGRs, and I don't owe anyone any bias.

Fair enough;)

Brandon

11-22-2002, 08:32 AM

where ya testin em? If ya haven't done it yet - throw my 38x12.5 TSL's in for comparison too ;)

The Adam Blaster

12-01-2002, 04:44 PM

Has the testing and writeup been completed with this yet?

poorwheeler

12-30-2002, 01:54 PM

Any Update on this yet. Still savin my money for these things. Want to know if the hype is right. :D

Lance

12-30-2002, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by poorwheeler
Any Update on this yet. Still savin my money for these things. Want to know if the hype is right. :D

I just got the rims, so testing will begin ASAP. First comparison will be in the snow.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/uploads/100-0065_IMG.JPG

High5

12-30-2002, 03:47 PM

cool. i have been waiting for this to happen. what does the tape say?

Depdog

12-30-2002, 03:55 PM

Looks like about 36.5" to me

Depdog

BJ On Roids

12-30-2002, 05:13 PM

*bling* that wheel looks pretty awesome!

dammit, snow?

ive yet to see that stuff :flipoff2:

awesome, cant wait to see the full write up!!

zakk

12-30-2002, 05:16 PM

guess i have been hiding under a rock. Those tires look to have decent sidewall lugs, but the SX's are beefier, from what I see.

rkcrawl

12-30-2002, 06:23 PM

What pressure do you have them at in that pic?

camo kid

12-30-2002, 07:41 PM

who was the manufactureon the wheels? I like thouse wheels and ned new ones.

jeff

rkcrawl

12-30-2002, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by camo kid
who was the manufactureon the wheels? I like thouse wheels and ned new ones.

jeff

My money says Allied

JeepinIan

12-30-2002, 08:03 PM

Do you have any info on the rim sizes they are going to have the Krawlers in?

Originally posted by morpheus
I thought Lance was sponsored by Taco Bell :D

- jack

You got it backwards, Lance sponsors the local Taco Bell!:D

Lance

12-30-2002, 08:26 PM

The tires seem to measure about 37" on the rim without a load on them @ 10psi. The picture I posted isn't quite at the right angle. I will retake the picture. They are relativeley HEAVY, I'd say damn close to the weight of an SX. I will be weighing them both (mounted on their respective Allied beadlocks.) The rims in the picture are Allied's new 17" steel beadlock. VERY nice rim. More later. :p

SledgeHammer

12-30-2002, 10:55 PM

I personally like the SX`s I used to run 36s but on my new rig im stepping up to 38.5s.

BFG`s Krawler T/A major strike against them is that they are 17" for the average wheeler(like me) that means new rims & if the BFG`s arn`t what u like you just lost alot of $$$$$
if the BFG`s came in a 37x12.50x15" or 37x13.50x15" I might give them a whirl but until than I`ll stick with my 15" rims.:flipoff2:
just my $.02

Keith

12-30-2002, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Lance

I just got the rims, so testing will begin ASAP. First comparison will be in the snow.

And just what day and where???????:D

orbitcat

12-31-2002, 12:25 AM

How wide are they? Did BFG stick with 12.50?

Lance

12-31-2002, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Keith

And just what day and where???????:D

You wouldn't be able to keep up in that posuer rig of yours. :flipoff2:

orbit - they are 12.50's....

Rev. Parsley

12-31-2002, 01:05 AM

cant wait for this one.

:skull: tire testing must be fun:D

1988YJ

12-31-2002, 01:19 AM

Sounds like a new years run... When you going Lance?:beer:

nobody20

12-31-2002, 06:44 AM

Lance, how about a side-by-side picture?

Keith

12-31-2002, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Lance

You wouldn't be able to keep up in that posuer rig of yours. :flipoff2:

orbit - they are 12.50's....

Fawk You!:flipoff2: If i can hand with Bob running 42's, I can spank your ass.

Chewbacca

02-16-2003, 04:54 PM

What's the latest?

SledgeHammer

02-16-2003, 05:11 PM

Buelier...Buelier...Buelier...:flipoff2::flipoff2: :flipoff2:

madcowdungbeetle

02-22-2003, 02:52 PM

What's the latest world? I'm really eager to see how this test comes out since these are the EXACT two tire/rim set-ups I'm considering for my rig this spring.

Lance

02-22-2003, 03:02 PM

I will be testing them both mid March FOR SURE. sorry it's taken so long, but I haven't been able to get out on the trail due to SNOW and lack of time, money, etc. Mid March you'll get what you've been waiting for. :)

madcowdungbeetle

02-22-2003, 03:27 PM

That's great to hear Lance! I'll be looking forward to it.

TJ Fan

02-22-2003, 04:00 PM

FYI: Weights on the SX's

38x14.5x15 = 89lbs
38x12.5x16.5 = 83lbs (6 ply)
38x12.5x16.5 = 85lbs (10 ply)
38.5 x14.5x16.5= 93lbs

If anybody want to know another Interco weight, let me know.

Charly

02-22-2003, 04:41 PM

how about the weight of the 39.5 x 15 x 16.5s?

thanks

TNToy

02-22-2003, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by TJ Fan
If anybody want to know another Interco weight, let me know. Dude, start a post called "Interco tire weights" and put them all up. I'd love to have THAT tech stored on the site where I can find it again if I need to. :D

BadAZYj

03-23-2003, 08:01 PM

Cmon Lance:flipoff2: I got some Krawlers in my garage that are getting ready to take over duty for my 38.5" SXs, I wanna know for sure that Im not makin a mistake:p

FULLSIZE

03-23-2003, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by BadAZYj
Cmon Lance:flipoff2: I got some Krawlers in my garage that are getting ready to take over duty for my 38.5" SXs, I wanna know for sure that Im not makin a mistake:p

wtf is wrong with you? if there in your garage, install them and go see for yourself.:flipoff2:

TJBob

03-24-2003, 02:23 AM

I heard Lance was testing out the highway life of each tire :flipoff2: and he was still circulating to all the malls to get the ooh ahh looks calculated :D

Seriously though, cut him some slack, I'm sure we'll get a report when it's done, unless anyone else wants to go and get 2 sets of meats and do the testing.

Bob

BadAZYj

03-24-2003, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by FULLSIZE

wtf is wrong with you? if there in your garage, install them and go see for yourself.:flipoff2:

I got no wheels yet:( :flipoff2:

DiscoDino

03-24-2003, 04:10 AM

So give us some weights on the 36x12.5x15 SX...pretty please....pretty pretty please....
:p

bigdude

03-24-2003, 05:44 AM

Well I won't try to steal Lance's thunder but I got to wheel my production Krawlers on some rough stuff this past weekend at both Windrock and the ERoCC facility so I thought I'd give a little comparison....

I ran grooved 38x12.5 TSLs on 15x10 Allied beadlocks for about 9 months and recently installed the 37x12.5 Krawlers on 17x8 Allied Beadlocks. The weights of the set-ups are comparible within a pound or two but the Krawlers stand a good 1"+ taller when aired up and show even a larger difference at trail pressures. There were quite a few competitors riding this weekend who were able to view the performance and anyone who hadn't seen them before came away impressed.

The Krawlers stick much better to rough surfaces than my TSLs. Points and edges were easily negotiated, often hanging on by a single lug w/o issue. This is where I really felt they excelled and where most were suprised to see how easily they would climb vertically and hang onto an edge. When climbing rock coated with mud/dirt the Krawlers heat up much easier the TSLs and really lay down the rubber. They will easily smoke to dry the rock but often didn't need that much to climb, just a few chirps and they would go. On loose dirt hill climbs and lots of wheel speed I would say the two tires are comparible with no major differences. Hands down the Krawler is my personal favorite. I couldn't phase the sidewalls and the lugs also held up great with very little chunking. I had cut two swampers to the threads running the same stuff I ran this weekend. The sidewall tread of the BFGs kicks ass all over TSLs :D

On road the Krawlers ride much better. Unbalanced and on beadlocks the BFGs do not vibrate up to my 70 mph top speed. The swampers unbalanced on beadlocks rode like they were square :D The BFGs take about 10 seconds to lose any flat spots after sitting a while, the TSLs take about 10 miles.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid56/pcca7c2aebdafe5b1ccaa608babfbd3bd/fc747f10.jpg

MudzerK5

03-24-2003, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by bigdude
Well I won't try to steal Lance's thunder but I got to wheel my production Krawlers on some rough stuff this past weekend at both Windrock and the ERoCC facility so I thought I'd give a little comparison....

I ran grooved 38x12.5 TSLs on 15x10 Allied beadlocks for about 9 months and recently installed the 37x12.5 Krawlers on 17x8 Allied Beadlocks. The weights of the set-ups are comparible within a pound or two but the Krawlers stand a good 1"+ taller when aired up and show even a larger difference at trail pressures. There were quite a few competitors riding this weekend who were able to view the performance and anyone who hadn't seen them before came away impressed.

The Krawlers stick much better to rough surfaces than my TSLs. Points and edges were easily negotiated, often hanging on by a single lug w/o issue. This is where I really felt they excelled and where most were suprised to see how easily they would climb vertically and hang onto an edge. When climbing rock coated with mud/dirt the Krawlers heat up much easier the TSLs and really lay down the rubber. They will easily smoke to dry the rock but often didn't need that much to climb, just a few chirps and they would go. On loose dirt hill climbs and lots of wheel speed I would say the two tires are comparible with no major differences. Hands down the Krawler is my personal favorite. I couldn't phase the sidewalls and the lugs also held up great with very little chunking. I had cut two swampers to the threads running the same stuff I ran this weekend. The sidewall tread of the BFGs kicks ass all over TSLs :D

On road the Krawlers ride much better. Unbalanced and on beadlocks the BFGs do not vibrate up to my 70 mph top speed. The swampers unbalanced on beadlocks rode like they were square :D The BFGs take about 10 seconds to lose any flat spots after sitting a while, the TSLs take about 10 miles.

Now thats the Best biased opinion I have ever heard.:flipoff2:

Run the Krawlers for 9 months and see how well they "grip"! I'd bet almost any new tire would outperform a worn out tire.

bigdude

03-24-2003, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by MudzerK5

Run the Krawlers for 9 months and see how well they "grip"! I'd bet almost any new tire would outperform a worn out tire.

My TSLs were in very good shape, not worn out at all.

yldkat

03-24-2003, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by MudzerK5

Now thats the Best biased opinion I have ever heard.:flipoff2:

Run the Krawlers for 9 months and see how well they "grip"! I'd bet almost any new tire would outperform a worn out tire.

Whelp, I mean no disrespect to our "Fearless Leader", but at least this guy delivered a comparison.
Please note that Lance's original post was in November of last year, and we are well into March.

Besides, if you can't figure out a tire that has been "Engineered" for rocks is going to outperform one "Engineered" for mud, I'm not sure what else to tell you, except I'd like to see Interco do something in the RockCrawling arena with their SX......

jp junkie

03-24-2003, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by MudzerK5

Now thats the Best biased opinion I have ever heard.:flipoff2:

Run the Krawlers for 9 months and see how well they "grip"! I'd bet almost any new tire would outperform a worn out tire.

I have ran Krawlers for about 8 months now and I agree with big dude. I've had 38.5 swamper sx's and 37" MTR's on the same vehicle prior to getting the Krawlers.:)

MudzerK5

03-24-2003, 10:46 AM

madmarx

03-24-2003, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by MudzerK5

Not sure of their building a tire soley for Competition, but I do know they are in design on a tire that will be somewhat TSL'ish and somewhat Bogger'ish. Heard it directly from Interco. I will be trying out a set in the next month.

Mudzerk, this post will be worthless unless we get PICS of the soon to be tested tires...

Dammit, we must have pics and details...:D

MudzerK5

03-24-2003, 11:27 AM

Working on getting the tires right now. I will be glad to post pics if Interco will allow. Stay tuned...

They have something like a 36 off the mold, but Im holding out for some 40's!

Krylon..

03-24-2003, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by MudzerK5
Working on getting the tires right now. I will be glad to post pics if Interco will allow. Stay tuned...

They have something like a 36 off the mold, but Im holding out for some 40's!

Get the 36's, try'em out and then Get the Fo-dees when they are available!!!!

BadAZYj

03-24-2003, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by yldkat

Whelp, I mean no disrespect to our "Fearless Leader", but at least this guy delivered a comparison.
Please note that Lance's original post was in November of last year, and we are well into March.

Besides, if you can't figure out a tire that has been "Engineered" for rocks is going to outperform one "Engineered" for mud, I'm not sure what else to tell you, except I'd like to see Interco do something in the RockCrawling arena with their SX......

You callin me dumb?:flipoff2::D
And yeah, Id like to see interco develop some new stuff, I mean if a tire they designed for mud works that good in the rocks, just imagine what they could do if they tried.

Seriously though, I wasnt going to "not" run the krawlers, I just hadnt heard anything about the production compound tires. Thanks for the heads up Bigdude, BTW your rig is lookin pretty sweet;) Im thinking about tubing mine out, as my tub has seen better days..

P.S. Anyone wanna buy some 38.5" Sxs on 15X8" 8lug wheels:confused: :D

rusted

03-25-2003, 06:37 PM

Bigdude's rig is very sweet, although it's the first (competition) rock buggy I've seen in person, and it was on a trailer. :D

Anyway I was surprised by the Krawlers, I just pushed on the lug with my index finger and they're like butter. And they're BIG.

rkcrawl

03-26-2003, 10:42 AM

Got me some new 35" shoes for ERoCC Legends today :flipoff2:

All I can say right now is WOW!

I'll post up pix of one of them and a 36" Swamper TSL mounted on my 15x10 Allieds tonight for comparison.

http://www.tidesys.com/images/krawler.jpg

jeepmauler

03-26-2003, 10:51 AM

I'm borrowing Tom LeBlancs 37" Krawlers with the "sticky" or soft compound and they stick better to wet rock than the 39.5's stick to dry rock.Really amazing,but they are not the production rubber

MudzerK5

03-27-2003, 10:36 AM

Ok Guys, more details on the new Interco Tires. I can't disclose everything, but I will give the Skibby...

They will be in the traditional Swamper compound (even though they have resources for the best drag compounds).

Directional - forward traction is supposed to be excellent as well as Lateral and rearward traction.

They are currently desiging a 36" tire, 37" tire and 39.5" tire in some fairly narrow sizes around 13" width. The plan is to go to a "full line" of tires with this model, including some of the popular rock crawling rim sizes like 17"and 20".

I am getting the first set of 39.5" tires to test on my junk. I'll be testing at Hot Springs Arkansas in April.

I'll be sure to post pics and info when I get it.

I have the name of the tire, but can't give that info yet.:flipoff2:

Mike_Lib

03-27-2003, 05:17 PM

Posted this in another thread but I haven't heard anything lately...

Just wondering what the latest is on Krawler availability to the general public. Any further update on dates and/or prices? I've heard rumors BFG will be selling them at Safari for pretty cheap...can anyone confirm?

Moab Austin

03-27-2003, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Mike_Lib
Posted this in another thread but I haven't heard anything lately...

Just wondering what the latest is on Krawler availability to the general public. Any further update on dates and/or prices? I've heard rumors BFG will be selling them at Safari for pretty cheap...can anyone confirm?

Not if grand tire has anything to do with it.
they have one set right now that they want 419 each for:eek:

i bet cheapest will be 350 but I'll keep ya posted.
I could sell a set now for 300 each if any of you competitors wanna PM me

EDIT I mean if anyone has a set for sell I gotta customer