can we rename this forum? [Archive]

Rocky

03-23-2011, 07:59 AM

In 2011 is there really a vehicle dependant expedition left in the true form of the word? I mean, the first guy to create the road or path was on an expedition, the rest of us just went there and followed the path. I have travelled from Tijuana to Red Deer on mostly back roads with a good friend in a my 4x4 and we thought it was a great drive, great camping, great scenery, and we had a lot of fun along the way, but we just followed roads and even though it was a long way we didn't consider it an expedition. I've been to the Arctic, Alaska, epic camping and fishing trips and that's what they were.

I think an expedition now is a psychological journey, an awakening of the soul so to speak. You might have all of the cool expedition gear, the rig, the gadgets you will never need but will use for the sake of using them, the clothes funny hat and all. But if the journey never connected with your soul, enhanced your life, or opened your eyes, you just put on a costume and went camping. If you get the priveledge to experience something that will sit in the back corner of your mind and provoke thought or emotion long after your journey is over you just might have been on an expedition. I don't see that aspect being promoted anywhere on the forum you are referring to, I do see a pretty good commercial opportunity with a great base of volunteers though and it is most likely exploited that way too.

So the forum name "expedition vehicles" is kind of funny in a way, maybe a word taken out of context. I think adventure vehicles would be great, after all you have to be on an adventure before you can experience an expedition, make sense?

Mark.

dragogt

03-23-2011, 08:03 AM

I'd say Off-Road Adventure but thats already taken..

ToolBox Guy

03-23-2011, 08:45 AM

FatCity

03-23-2011, 08:50 AM

Why change it other than to make it harder for people to find.

Although I agree with Rocky, If your not enjoying all of the aspects of the outdoors as he mentioned above your not using nature for all that it's really worth.

RustyNailJustin

03-23-2011, 09:45 AM

Elwenil

03-23-2011, 10:28 AM

I'd just leave it. Everyone knows what it means even if the people posting their weekend camping rigs don't get it. The heart and soul of this forum is not the name and yes, there probably aren't many places left to go on an "expedition" to without a spacecraft or submarine, but the heart and soul to me has always been the modifications everyone does to their vehicles to make them self sufficient, reliable and able to take an extended trip be it for a true expedition, survival tendencies, zombie apocalypse, or whatever. Fussing over the name or what it really means is like trying to classify some music into a certain genre, you don't really get anywhere since it all means something different to different people. But then we did change the "rules" in the Dodge forum with a simple majority opinion so it's possible here. Bottom line is you have to decide on what this forum means to everyone and either deal with the things you don't agree with or everyone try to agree to keep it out. If you don't want someone posting their pickup with sleeping bags in the back as an "expedition" vehicle, then tell them. If you don't mind it

If it is to be changed I think maybe the "Adventure" idea is a good one since that can sort of mean anything from a overnight camping trip to several weeks in the rough. The word "trek" could also be used, though that implies travel and probably 90% of the vehicles posted in the "let's see your expedition vehicles" thread probably don't go more than 100 miles from home. Honestly, is there really a better name that what we have here that doesn't directly copy the name of some sort of business that does similar services?

ShoxX

03-23-2011, 11:07 AM

I say leave it. Any trip in a vehicle built to for an extend trip is an expedition. Fuck those other people that say we don't qualify.

JESSE_at_TLT

03-23-2011, 11:33 AM

If you seriously think this forum's name needs to be changed, what are your suggestions? What terms do you think better encompasses what this forum is all about? I'll gladly take it to Lance and Camo if a change needs to be made.

Exploration, Expedition, and ??????? Forum

First suggestion:
How about ADVehicles? After ADVrider.com (http://www.advrider.com/)
This was mine. You know, short for adventure. That's really what it's all about. The whole EXPEDITION thing is just stupid. The word has been molested and commercialized and I think we should abandon it. That's all. Posted this on RV.net (http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/24850666/gotomsg/24852258.cfm#24852258) a while ago:
There are a lot of people over there selling the expo experience (hard) and many of the people on that forum appear to be buying it. Talking about expo-this and expo-that. Geeking out on gadgetry (which is fine) and above all, spending money. Forums like pirate4x4 are more about building stuff and I think advrider is probably the best adventure-oriented forum out there. But I visit all different kinds of forums, from RV forums to forums about sailboats and others that are more specifically focused on military vehicles. They're all great in their own ways. I just find all the collective posturing and the holier-than-thou type of attitude on the expedition portal to be a little bit nauseating.

...I think adventure vehicles would be great...
Well said Rocky. The vehicles we're building represent freedom and adventure. Whatever transformative experiences we may/not have - well that's up to us and contrary to what the expo kooks would have you believe, it's got nothing to do with anything we buy.

I'd say Off-Road Adventure but thats already taken...
Taken? By who/where/what? They're just words. Although I don't think that this particular forum should be labeled 'off-road'.

I'd just leave it. Everyone knows what it means...
I agree with you that the word expedition does have meaning, and that's why I'd like to stop using the word to label this forum. I think that to most people, an expedition vehicle is more about the products and accessories than anything. It's like anything else that gets exploited, and personally, I think it's become an ugly and vulgar word.

Fussing over the name or what it really means is like trying to classify some music into a certain genre, you don't really get anywhere since it all means something different to different people. If you don't want someone posting their pickup with sleeping bags in the back as an "expedition" vehicle, then tell them.
Don't want to exclude anyone, from rock buggies to Subarus - everybody should be welcome to participate and discuss the type of stuff that we're all interested in. If I didn't have four dogs, I wouldn't be building a motorhome. I'd be living/traveling in my truck or on my dirtbike (with a sleeping bag).

If it is to be changed I think maybe the "Adventure" idea is a good one...
That's the word that seems to keep coming up.

If you ask me, I'd suggest re-labeling the outdoor sports and recreation section the gun-forum (who are we kidding?) and absorbing the little bit of outdoor-related content that gets posted over there. Would be much more appropriate for this forum to become the appropriate place to discuss anything/everything related to travel and adventure-oriented vehicles (including all the general outdoors stuff). But I'm not trying to re-define this form. Don't think that necessary. Should probably remain more tech than travel-oriented, but that's just my opinion...

TacoDell

03-23-2011, 11:42 AM

= = = = KOA custom builds = = = =

'cause half the heavy weight shit I see around *there and maybe here
couldn't make it down a fire road :shaking:

it seems more reasonable to call it... "overland builds"
rollin' the highways, from one Nat. park to the next. :flipoff2:

JESSE_at_TLT

03-23-2011, 11:56 AM

If your vehicle or hobby doesn't qualify as "Expedition" then find another fucking forum. Simple as that.
Maybe you could rate all our vehicles for us?

dragogt

03-23-2011, 12:31 PM

This was mine. You know, short for adventure. That's really what it's all about. The whole EXPEDITION thing is just stupid. The word has been molested and commercialized and I think we should abandon it. That's all. Posted this on RV.net (http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/24850666/gotomsg/24852258.cfm#24852258) a while ago:

Well said Rocky. The vehicles we're building represent freedom and adventure. Whatever transformative experiences we may/not have - well that's up to us and contrary to what the expo kooks would have you believe, it's got nothing to do with anything we buy.

Agreed..

Taken? By who/where/what? They're just words. Although I don't think that this particular forum should be labeled 'off-road'.

Just the first two on google..

http://www.oramagazine.com/

http://www.offroadadventure.com/ the reason I said off-road, was because at some point you leave the road whether it be blacktop or fire/ logging

I agree with you that the word expedition does have meaning, and that's why I'd like to stop using the word to label this forum. I think that to most people, an expedition vehicle is more about the products and accessories than anything. It's like anything else that gets exploited, and personally, I think it's become an ugly and vulgar word.

Don't want to exclude anyone, from rock buggies to Subarus - everybody should be welcome to participate and discuss the type of stuff that we're all interested in. If I didn't have four dogs, I wouldn't be building a motorhome. I'd be living/traveling in my truck or on my dirtbike (with a sleeping bag).

That's the word that seems to keep coming up.

If you ask me, I'd suggest re-labeling the outdoor sports and recreation section the gun-forum (who are we kidding?) and absorbing the little bit of outdoor-related content that gets posted over there. Would be much more appropriate for this forum to become the appropriate place to discuss anything/everything related to travel and adventure-oriented vehicles (including all the general outdoors stuff). But I'm not trying to re-define this form. Don't think that necessary. Should probably remain more tech than travel-oriented, but that's just my opinion...

Meh, I kinda like this idea..

ChiScouter

03-23-2011, 01:03 PM

Truck Camping might be a lot more accurate term. I think the word expedition attracts a lot of dorks that think camping out of your rig is a lot more adventuresome and complicated than it really is.

DRM

03-23-2011, 01:05 PM

Technically speaking "Off Road" is not acceptable any longer, having been replaced by "Off Highway".

Remote Self Sunstained Exploration sounds better to me :p

JESSE_at_TLT

03-23-2011, 01:12 PM

Truck Camping might be a lot more accurate term. I think the word expedition attracts a lot of dorks that think camping out of your rig is a lot more adventuresome and complicated than it really is.
bingo

dragogt

03-23-2011, 01:29 PM

Technically speaking "Off Road" is not acceptable any longer, having been replaced by "Off Highway".

Remote Self Sunstained Exploration sounds better to me :p

:laughing:

Elwenil

03-23-2011, 01:53 PM

I really think this is just sort of pointless. There is nothing wrong with the word "expedition". I'm not worried about the commercialization of a word since from what I have seen here, very few of the builds have enough money in them to qualify as some high dollar, high class, "been to all 7 continents and the moon type" vehicle. Seriously, you are wanting to change the name because it's become a "bad" word to you? This is Pirate and we have always gone our own way since I have been here and I personally could give less than two shits about what other forums are doing.

As far as combining this forum with another or whatever, what if the guys in that forum don't want to become part of the "I'm Too Anal To Call My Truck An Expedition Vehicle" forum? Do they have a say in this? Is it really worth restructuring two forums here on Pirate that have regular members that look for them and expect certain things and changing all that up? It's been this way for a while and yes the term "expedition" and what it means comes up every few months because someone has a differing opinion about it but every one here knows what to expect when they come here. Yes, it's about the builds and the cool ideas everyone has for solving various problems but changing the name isn't going to change anything. People come here to see the "off road RV" type vehicles, not to see stories about the average camping or fishing trip or a bunch of monkeys going to "Burning Man". If someone does a cool trip out in Alaska or Northern Canada for a week or two, that would be interesting but I don't think we really want to see much more of pickups with camper shells and Winnebagos with dirt bikes on a rack on the back.

Bottom line is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Many of the forums on Pirate are already watered down too much with random bullshit and it's nice to come to a forum to see something specific and not have to wade through a dozen other threads that don't really belong. If you want a forum that uses some sort of witty new word for it, there are plenty of free forums out there for you to start your own but I personally don't think changing the name of the forum is really going to make anything any different. People are stubborn. We have been trying to hammer the rules for the Dodge forum into people for at least a year or so now and still no one pays any attention. If the forum names here is changed, the regulars will still post the same stuff, and the infrequent people will just think the "Expedition" forum was just deleted since that is the world that is most commonly associated with this sort of thing and not "Off Road Adventures" which the more I think about it sounds more and more like a cheesy tour guide or some sort of religious action figure. I personally do not want to see a "Truck Camping" forum as it will inevitably be filled with someone taking their fishing or hunting way too seriously, pictures of drunk idiots around a fire or even worse, yuppie assholes singing Kumbaya around their Benz SUVs. Keep the tech, keep out all the bullshit.

SSSRodeo

03-23-2011, 02:08 PM

Why not just call it Adventure Rigs?

I hang out at Expedition Expo Forum too and they have some great designated seperations between different types of vehicles.
But we don't neeed that here.
Adventure Rigs says it all for me

Living outside the normal 4 walls of home in vehicles built to accomodate the basic human needs in different locations.

Personally, I does't matter to me what you call it here, al long we have something that addresses the segment of our sport and it's adventure.

The builds going on here are unique to the Pirate family.

JESSE_at_TLT

03-23-2011, 02:10 PM

Elwenil

03-23-2011, 02:51 PM

Think you're misunderstanding what I was suggesting with regards to the gun forum. It should remain the gun forum. It should just be called... the gun forum. And that wasn't even my point, I was just saying that type of content (outdoor sports & recreation) seems like it would be a better fit here than there. Also think I stated pretty clearly that I agree with you, this forum should remain tech-oriented.

Ok, but you have to understand how the average dumbass will look at something. Unfortunately Pirate attracts a lot of dumbasses and they love to look at something and jump to a conclusion and run with it rather than do a little research into rules and so on. Changing the name would be fine if there was something really wrong about the name it has now and it was changed to something that describes what is going on in the forum. Changing it to something that could be misunderstood will just invite disaster from people who don't investigate before posting whatever is on their minds. And still, changing the name will alienate some people who are not aware of this discussion and the changing of the name.

lig_boozer

03-23-2011, 03:06 PM

Umm...Too many pep's getting serious over a name. Give The Euros the "Expedition" name and we will take a couple ideas blended together Remote Self Sunstained Exploration Zombie Post-Apocalypse Rigs should be the forum.

:D

The_Punisher

03-23-2011, 03:20 PM

this is silly, it's just a name:shaking:

if you get bothered by others talking shit you are a tool

we have all become accustomed to what someone means when they say expedition rig, the majority of us are on the same sheet of music

03-23-2011, 03:53 PM

i see where you are coming from jesse, i vote however that we embrace it and call it the, "non-expedition worthy vehicles" thread.

a tongue in cheek sort of thing, showing that we are above a name or classification. we are here to enjoy and conquer the path and this is how its done.

i'm not really worried about it, though. they have there concept. i have mine, sometimes they clash. whatever. here and there for the ideas and the knowledge.

Phily

03-24-2011, 04:07 PM

I love how the general population is fixed on giving things (not just forums) proper labels.

If I got a H1 and you call it a Jeep...I won't care.

JesseA

03-24-2011, 05:19 PM

MaxPF

03-24-2011, 09:34 PM

Unfortunately Pirate attracts a lot of dumbasses

QFT

we have all become accustomed to what someone means when they say expedition rig, the majority of us are on the same sheet of music

Agreed. I also think most people have no clue what the term "expedition" means. According to Websters: "a journey or excursion undertaken for a specific purpose". One could argue that most of our outdoor adventures fit that definition. Whether it's a geologist travelling offroad around the Cascades collecting rock samples, a hunter going out to hunt game, or just going camping, all fit the definition of an "expedition". IMO, leave it alone.

98lux

03-24-2011, 10:18 PM

Down here in OZ we call it "Touring", when set up, hit the desert and live out of the 4b for weeks at a time.

xmptsunami

03-26-2011, 10:49 AM

HappyCamper

03-28-2011, 01:02 PM

"truck camping" or "extended camping" is really what most of us are talking about. "touring" as 98lux suggested is also a good term, but to me suggests staying at bed and breakfasts, not overnighting exclusively in national forests or blm land.

i suppose the argument is that "expedition" suggests the trip is for over a month, while most of us are talking about camping for over a week?

seriously though, real and historic expedition trips weren't really where no man has gone before; maybe where no white man has gone before with a combustion engine, but i'm sure there were native peoples living there for thousands of years. unless you're talking about a expedition to the south pole or something like that.

Truck Camping might be a lot more accurate term. I think the word expedition attracts a lot of dorks that think camping out of your rig is a lot more adventuresome and complicated than it really is.

blackrider

03-28-2011, 02:19 PM

Exploration 4wd

dilleywhopper

03-28-2011, 02:24 PM

From Dictionary.com:

ex·pe·di·tion /ˌɛkspɪˈdɪʃən/ Show Spelled
[ek-spi-dish-uhn] Show IPA

–noun
1. an excursion, journey, or voyage made for some specific purpose, as of war or exploration.
2. the group of persons, ships, etc., engaged in such an activity: a large expedition of scientists and military personnel.
3. promptness or speed in accomplishing something: He worked with great expedition.

Nothing up there about a specific amount of time or type of vehicle.

Technically, my wife's four door, front wheel drive car qualifies, cause we have used it to explore some back roads.

Just saying...

Elwenil

03-28-2011, 04:01 PM

So far the only reason we have to change the name is because a few people "don't like" the word expedition.

JESSE_at_TLT

03-28-2011, 04:13 PM

Yeah, that's it. No big deal either way.

xmptsunami

03-29-2011, 08:46 AM

So far the only reason we have to change the name is because a few people "don't like" the word expedition.

AND also to divert the non guns stuff out of the guns forum. I never go to the outdoors forum because there is always three pages of gun stuff and only one thread I'm interested in reading.

I would also be in favor of splitting up the gun forum into gun/non gun topics.

*please note that I'm not "anti-gun" I just live in Canada and I get too bummed out seeing all the fun firearms americanos gets to play with.

Elwenil

03-29-2011, 08:51 AM

I think you might be able to convince DRM or Lance to change the name of this forum but I doubt you will be able to get them to change other forums around to suit your idea. Keep in mind there may be many people that believe that guns are a natural part of the outdoors.

JESSE_at_TLT

03-29-2011, 10:12 AM

Guns didn't have anything to do with the reason why I started this thread. Only mentioned it as an example of a type of content/organization.

ctdwaggy

03-29-2011, 12:25 PM

DRM

03-29-2011, 12:29 PM

I think you might be able to convince DRM or Lance to change the name of this forum but I doubt you will be able to get them to change other forums around to suit your idea.

Pretty much :p

The OSR forum is - IMHO - about a whole lot more than guns - even though guns do seem to take the lead most of the time.

Monkeybutt

03-29-2011, 12:31 PM

All I know is, unless there is something on the ground that might eat you, a roof top tent is f'ing stupid.

ctdwaggy

03-29-2011, 01:03 PM

All I know is, unless there is something on the ground that might eat you, a roof top tent is f'ing stupid.

I was looking at them because of the rattlesnakes, scorpions, skunks, and all sorts of other things that crawl around at night.
That focus AWD?

camo

03-29-2011, 07:18 PM

New name.

Cool camping rigs for guys with funny hats :smokin:

ToolBox Guy

03-29-2011, 07:41 PM

New name.

Cool camping rigs for guys with funny hats :smokin:

And shirts, and shorts...With too many pockets. :laughing:

yager

03-30-2011, 07:11 AM

some random suggestions...

Adventure Living
Adventure Travels
OHV Life
OHV Living <-- Short and to the point

Honestly I've read a few posts that caught my eye or linked else where, but I really have stayed out of this forum based on the name and my impression of what they included.

Just keep in mind any deviation from the strict 'expedition' name and connotation will encourage others who have seemingly lesser builds to post here vs tow section etc..

O.R.T.

04-03-2011, 05:21 PM

:shaking:

SVARAS

04-03-2011, 06:07 PM

Wait, so this is not a forum for the Ford SUV ?
I never checked this forum cause I have a Dodge RAM :flipoff2:

Monkeybutt

04-21-2011, 12:53 PM

[QUOTE=ctdwaggy;12711403]I was looking at them because of the rattlesnakes, scorpions, skunks, and all sorts of other things that crawl around at night.

Get a tent with a zippered door...does wonders.

That focus AWD?

Nah...it's a prerunner

godin

04-21-2011, 07:55 PM

it's more exploration than expedition but in some case it still expedition.

expedition: travel that require important material or humans resources.

(excuse my english i'm a french canadian)

grimbo

05-12-2011, 03:35 AM

All I know is, unless there is something on the ground that might eat you, a roof top tent is f'ing stupid.

or if you are camping in the heat and it keeps the tent cooler by not being on the hot surface, or if it is extremely cold or snowing it keeps you warmer or if it is wet or muddy or.... Whole bunch of reasons to have them but I'll still never get one because the idea of falling 6 feet to the ground in the dark when I need to take a leak doesn't appeal to me

ruffryder

05-12-2011, 08:29 AM

Whole bunch of reasons to have them but I'll still never get one because the idea of falling 6 feet to the ground in the dark when I need to take a leak doesn't appeal to me
ha ha ha!

Eric D

05-12-2011, 09:26 AM

haha i'm sure if that's your only concern you could probably tie a couple feet of PVC pipe to the ladder and stay inside the RTT :smokin:

stjjames

05-13-2011, 07:26 AM

carcrafter22

05-13-2011, 07:28 PM

offroadwagon

05-13-2011, 07:40 PM

WOW, whining about a forum name cause some people think an expedition is driving to remote places even if its just for a weekend??? I dont get it. Who gives a shit? Some people get way too serious on the internet, here I thought these forums were just places to share ideas and the names were to give you an idea of what the content is.

I have to laugh at this forum sometimes guys are so hardcore its retarded.

Bingo!!! We Have It!!!

People Please, If Your So Hardcore Why Do You Have Time To Rip On Forums? Mellow The Heck Out!! This Is The InterNet......

stjjames

05-14-2011, 12:12 PM

Corey

05-30-2011, 07:04 AM

I see a lot of negativity on the use of roof top tents.
If I could interject a few thoughts on this :D

I camp a lot, been doing it for most of my 54 years using a huge variety of ground tents and two tent trailers.
The older I get the more I appreciate some comfort and ease of setting up camp with my roof top tent.
No longer do I have to look for a level spot to pitch a tent or scrape rocks out of the way, and no more tracking dirt/mud into the tent.

I am a huge fan of the Maggiolina style tents from Autohome (http://autohomeus.com/), bought mine back in the spring of 2008.
3" mattress treats my back very well, and having all the bedding (flannel sheets winter weight down comforter) in place means all I have to do is park, undo the three latches, and crank up the tent, and my tent is done in under a few minutes.
Throw the duffel bag up there and I am all set.

I usually have always had a hard time sleeping in a sleeping bag in a tent, but when I sleep in my roof top tent, the norm is around eight hours of great sleep.
I do not even get that much at home on most work nights.

Here is an FAQ from AutoHomes site (http://autohomeus.com/info/faq.php) on the advantage of a roof top tent, but it can apply to any brand of roof top tent.
Mine also has been on the roof of my FJ Cruiser since I bought it in 2008.
Since it is gel coated fiberglass, I treat it once a year with Meguiars Marine/Boat wax to protect it from UV damage, and the tent still looks brand new.

What advantage is there to having my tent on the roof of my vehicle?

The primary benefits in getting your tent up off the ground are…

Your shelter is always with you and ready for a comfortable night’s sleep, which gives you a great deal of freedom.

Moving your sleeping quarters to the roof means that you have much more space in your vehicle, and no need to unpack to set up a comfortable place to sleep.

You don’t need a place to pitch your tent – so you can ‘camp’ anywhere – even RV parks that do not allow traditional tent camping.

Fast and easy setup, even in the dark, equally fast and easy take down in the morning, even when the weather is wet and cold.

Your vehicle stays cooler because the roof is shaded by the tent.

Your tent also provides ready storage of your bedding and some equipment.

AutoHome tents offer great ventilation and good view.

Fewer worries about insects, snakes, wildlife and other things that go bump in the night.

Your tent – being up off the ground, will collect much less sand and dirt to contend with.

Sleeping on rocks or puddles is a thing of the past.
Now you can camp anywhere your vehicle takes you – just park, pop open your tent, and get comfortable.

The list goes on, and you are only limited by your imagination.

Factory roof rack, ran it that way for two years, and IMO it was to high, to much wind gets underneath.

http://www.pnw4runners.com/camping_trips/aug09/3.jpg

BajaRack created a low profile rack for roof top tents after we asked them to make one over on fjcruiserforums site.
Tent sits much lower and behaves better for highway driving.

http://www.pnw4runners.com/camping_trips/aug10/25.jpg

There is also a euphoric feeling of sleeping in these too, kind of like being a kid again up in a tree house you built.

Gunmetalcruz

05-30-2011, 08:09 AM

You guys should just rename it the car camping forum:D

stjjames

05-30-2011, 09:24 AM

I'm not sure anyone's 'hating' on RTT's - I love the Maggiolinas. It's the mentality, the pompus, elitist attitude of a bunch of poseurs.
I'm not a fan of sleeping on the ground any more often than I have to. An RTT doesn't really work with my rig, as many hours as I've spent speculating how I could make it work. It would inevitably get trashed & the weight would likely put me on my top. :D

Corey

05-30-2011, 10:39 AM

I know what you mean about the elitist attitude.
I see some on other forums like their way is the only way, EE's forum comes to mind.

I do not pretend to be an expeditioner, most of the stuff I do is just camping for recreational use, and to get away from the city and enjoy nature.

But it sure is comfortable to be sleeping 7' off the ground.

Now here is something you do not see everyday, and the guy def has bigger balls than I do.
Many FJs in stock form have made it up Hells Gate in Moab without any trouble.
This guy takes it a step further with the Columbus model on top which is similar in size to the AirLander I have.
http://forum.ih8mud.com/fj-cruiser/292076-lets-see-some-pics-your-fj-cruisers-7.html#post6649042

rogueturtle

06-03-2011, 07:14 PM

how bout a subtle change to "Exploration Rigs" forum.

Rigs are tools for exploration:

everyone has a different purpose that they use their rigs for and its interesting to have a place to see how everyone is "exploring" the various uses our great vehicles have.

Mine is to get out there, drag my mountain bike and hiking shoes and Explore. Sometimes my bike and shoes stay in the vehicle and i explore with the rig.....other times i get into the backcountry and go two wheel drive(mtn bike) or 2 legged.

Whether you do it 2wheel-4wheel-wheelchair- crawl- or run----it all works and is about "Exploration".

Elwenil

06-03-2011, 07:23 PM

Jesus fucking christ people, just let it die. I think it's pretty obvious that no one has come up with a better reason to change the name other than "I don't like it" and I seriously doubt they are going to change it unless there is a good reason to.

rogueturtle

06-03-2011, 08:01 PM

Seems like changing it would be easy enough..........

if everyone hates the term expedition..........why not make a simple change.

What this thread needed from the start was a vote-

1- hate it
2- hate it but no need to change it
3- hate it, change it
4- love it-keep it

Elwenil

06-03-2011, 08:45 PM

No, not everyone hates the term, nor has anyone come up with any better alternative even if they were to change it. This whole thread is pointless.

MaxPF

06-03-2011, 08:51 PM

This x2 ^

Beat95YJ

06-08-2011, 05:30 PM

No, not everyone hates the term, nor has anyone come up with any better alternative even if they were to change it. This whole thread is pointless.

Yup

sixfeathers

03-12-2012, 09:30 PM

Y'all lot obviously haven't dealt with the 'expedition' crowd - that lot are mostly a bunch of hacks & posuers. I personally would want to distance myself from their ilk.
Camping, isn't an expedition.

You sir are a .. and have no clue as to what you are talking about...I am a proud member over at Expo, and if you don't like that then okay..I built my trailer on my own, using the most basic of handtools. Exploring is not about camping in one spot for a week. It is about moving around and enjoying the earth and the sites. camping in cool trailers and all is just the perks of the travels my friend. I challenge you to build a rig and a trailer. You will be surprised of the amount of pride you will gain, as you apperently have not enough.

dragogt

03-12-2012, 09:55 PM

Wow necro much..

Elwenil

03-12-2012, 10:44 PM

Not this fucking ball of shit again... :rolleyes:

MaxPF

03-12-2012, 11:54 PM

Not this fucking ball of shit again... :rolleyes:

Yup. Just when you thought this thread was dead, some fuckstick has to dredge it back up :shaking:

RMP&O

03-13-2012, 01:44 PM

I am on ExPo alot but recently have been spending more time here on Pirate.

I like ExPo because of the trip reports and because I have met some cool people on there i have traveled with. Beyond that it is pretty meh. And if I see another 80--series Cruiser thread on there I may just have to puke.

I post my builds on there from mild to wild but usually get few responses with lots of views. A lot of people won't even try to install their own store bought snorkel. It is pretty sad really. I like to challenge them and the way they think. For example I drove a super charged truck to Panama and back x2 while everyone on that forum told me I was foolish to take a s/c truck south.

I am getting pretty bored though with that forum because 90% of the people on their can't think outside the box and do bolt ons rather then build. Not to mention they all praise Mogs with 40"+ rubber but as soon as you talk about putting anything bigger then 35s on your overland truck you are an outcast.

Oh ya and I call it overlanding but couldn't really give a shit what it is called.

I am about to build a new overland truck that will be pretty hardcore by the ExPo crowd standards. Fuck it though....I am still going to build it, drive.it to Panama surfing the whole way and also wheel it in the desert & jungle plus live.out of the truck as I go. This is what overlanding is to me. Everything else is just car camping but who really gives a shit what I think or say!?

enigma2y0u

03-13-2012, 05:20 PM

I call it camping, but I am totally changing my attitude now cause I just ordered our first RTT. From now on I will only be going on expeditions.

I am curious to see how much I like the RTT. I think it will be nice for us. Easy setup, no mud, no rain soaking in, smooth floor, etc. Time will tell I suppose.

Corey

03-14-2012, 03:18 AM

Tigerchief

03-14-2012, 03:43 AM

ExPo. There's no finer group of pussies with money who will do nothing other than partially commit to a mental circle jerk and then bail.

I couldn't take it anymore.

enigma2y0u

03-14-2012, 04:35 AM

I call it overcamping, when actually all I do is camp.
The Expedition word is way overused IMO, and makes me laugh at times.

What type of roof top tent did you buy?
The only thing I do not like about it is having to make the trip down the ladder to water a bush in the middle of the night, but not really that much different than when I use to use ground tents.

But I wake up a lot less with the roof top tent than I did with a ground one.

I bought the Tepui Gran Sabana to put on my trailer. It was basically the same cost as the ARB one, but the wife didn't like the fact that the ARB one didn't have shit for windows in the bottom part so we got the Tepui.

Whatever, they were pretty good on the phone, brand whores can hate.