didn't want to hijack the other thread. here is what I know

has dual piston calipers, (i thought these only came on ford)on the pumpkin side, instead of the spring pad being cast into the housing it was on the tube it self. open knuckle, king pins, and 35 spline inners, and 30 outers. on the shafts themsleves at the spline end-had ~3-4 of 1.5" shaft dia. and then necked down to the ears. I was told by a local guru (thats what he calls himself :flipoff2: ) that it was a 78 ford dana 60----- that is all i can tell you but here are some pics. its just a sticker not the real thing obviously

http://4x4.alloffroad.com/images/dsc01967.jpg
cant see it very well but im pretty sure it is NOT a HP---am i wrong??
http://4x4.alloffroad.com/images/dsc01962.jpg
http://4x4.alloffroad.com/images/dsc01964.jpg

this is the short side
http://4x4.alloffroad.com/images/dsc01965.jpg

Looks like someone built it from other 60 parts...

Certainly looks Ford although it is not a HP....Must be an early version. Maybe from a F250 with the snowplow package or something???

I'm with DRM on that one... I'm 99% sure that didn't come from the factory like that.

early 70s had low pinion 60s

however i thinkg those were closed knuckle?

Looks like a rear axle center section to me. My guess: someone wanted a HP rear like Lance's; the leftovers were reassembled with new tube and sold.

Originally posted by Lloyd
Looks like a rear axle center section to me. My guess: someone wanted a HP rear like Lance's; the leftovers were reassembled with new tube and sold.

I believe you be right.

It does say 60-HD and that is a 35 spline rear to the best of my knowledge. Swapped tubes between a HP60 front and 60HD rear to get a HP rear with 35 splines and a front that was complete and could be sold with 35 spline carrier.

yep it was most likely swapped... you got fawked... low-pinion bullshit

yep it was most likely swapped... you got fawked... low-pinion bullshit:flipoff2:

Yup, looks pieced together. You can see grinder marks under the paint on the tube under the paint in the last pic.

Pete

Does it have axle shaft seals inside the punkin? Or a couple of really bad leaks? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by pcorssmit
Yup, looks pieced together. You can see grinder marks under the paint on the tube under the paint in the last pic.

Pete

Not arguing on the piecing together, but the marks could have been from the now missing spring perch.

Originally posted by bigdude
It does say 60-HD and that is a 35 spline rear to the best of my knowledge. Swapped tubes between a HP60 front and 60HD rear to get a HP rear with 35 splines and a front that was complete and could be sold with 35 spline carrier.

I just sold a REAR D60 from a 78-ish Dodge. It looked JUST like this center-section. I wish I had a good pic of it, but I don't. It had the extra rib following the outline of the diff cover, just like this one does.

It said 60HD on it. AFAIK, the 60HD in the rear of Dodges always has 30-spline axles. Mine did (I counted), and every other 60HD owner I talked to had 30-spline.

But of course there may be exceptions, and of course your carrier may have been switched out for a 35-spline...

So I agree - looks like a rear centersection with front axle tubes attached...

GM and Dodge both used a 60HD front; but with a spring perch on the center section, it's a totally different casting. I've seen Ford 60's that have a spring perch in the casting also (don't know about all of them). But all front axles do need inner seals; if this one doesn't have them (or has some fabricated contraption unlike the factory seats) that will prove this is (was) a rear center. ~78ish Dodge van is exactly what I was thinking when I first saw it, carman.

Originally posted by cruiserbrett


Not arguing on the piecing together, but the marks could have been from the now missing spring perch.

Doh! :rolleyes:

Pete

Yup, looks pieced together. You can see grinder marks under the paint on the tube under the paint in the last pic.

i cleaned it up and painted it---on the short side the perch was welded butted up against the housing

on the long side was the other perch, but right next to it(~1 closer to the caliper) you could see where someone grinded off an existing perch. ---

do you think this thing is worth anything???:confused:

Originally posted by Lloyd
Does it have axle shaft seals inside the punkin? Or a couple of really bad leaks? :flipoff2:

Good point. That would be the thing to check.

i do know that the inside of the knuckels are bone dry---not even a hint of a leak---but i will check.

Look at the "plug welds" those aren't oem Dana/Spicer.
I would also measure tube dia it looks a little small OD wise actually. A close up pic of the weld between tube and inner "C" would tell the tale.

Also I have seen plenty of front 60's with a cast in "HD" but that looks like a Dodge rear housing to me as well.

As for "worth"...if it has correct inner axle seals in it and is straight I imagine it's worth close to what any LP Front 60 is worth.

NoRM

A close up pic of the weld between tube and inner "C" would tell the tale.

forgive the ignorance----do you mean the inner knuckle?? if you do mean the inner knuckle the welds look just like the one on my truck, and mine is a factory chebby. i was also wondering about the plug welds, but i just passed it off.

I want to sell this thing, but what do i say it is---and if its worthless, and decide to part it out on ebay how can i tell what parts are what.--i know nothing about it looks like chevy.

I think of it was mine I would tear it down identify components used and sell it as what it most likely is...a custom built LP Dana 60 front.......give widths ect and see if anyone buys it....thats assuming it has inner axle seals;-P

It has Ford style calipers.....Ford and Chevy dually used those calipers so.....measure the outer stub axle and you will know what it uses...or count spindle bolts........as Ford uses 5 and Dodge and Chevy use 6....or part it out *ya will still have to identify what components are used* And yes I meant inner knuckles.. :)

NoRM

it's worth $200 to me if you'll ship it.. the pos.. :D

how bout a trade for your runner:flipoff2:

It sure looks like a rear housing made into a front 60. Before I would use it I would make sure there are inner axles seals and weld those plug welds because it doesn't look like they did. Check those 2 things and if good then run it. So it is a low pinion 60 BFD!

Originally posted by thecarman
It said 60HD on it. AFAIK, the 60HD in the rear of Dodges always has 30-spline axles. Mine did (I counted), and every other 60HD owner I talked to had 30-spline.

i had a dodge 60HD that i used for a setup i used to run and it was only 30 spline.

my dodge rear 60hd is off a 78 powerwagon and its 30 spline.

scoobydann - without cast spring pad on pumpkin not a o.e.m. front 60.other concerns would be caster setting pinion angle .spring pad on o.e.m. units helps determine this. if you keep axle and use in your vehicle be carefull when you weld spring pads on axle tube.

Originally posted by HONDA_ForePlay
yep it was most likely swapped... you got fawked... low-pinion bullshit

id still have it :flipoff2:

i'll go up to $205 for the whole thing :flipoff2:

Lol, so what did you pay for it, and what did the person say it was?/??:flipoff2: :D

so 60HD has 30 splines :flipoff2: News to me ;)

Sell it as a front 60, std. rotation, drivers drop. IMO it's worth slightly less than what someone would pay for a Ford HP axle in the same condiditon (assuming it's sealed and such).

You can tell the "local guru" to sit the crack pipe down and try to focus. That center isn't a 78 Ford front.
I'm with alot of the others, check to make sure it has inner seals.
What was the cost?

$100 and i split it w/ a friend. so i dont think i will lose anything. ill probably sell it to the guru--he offered me $300:flipoff2: if not i might go the ebay route and say it is a front 60, std. rotation, drivers drop.

I have a HD 60 rear that came out of a '76 Ford F-250 sitting in my yard. It looks EXACTLY like this center section. I remember it because it had that rib parallel to the cover. And because the HD 60 wasn't stamped on the webbimg in the usual spot. I checked the BOM and it was out of the Ford originally. Since this is a driver side drop I bet it was a Ford rear instead of a Dodge.

Originally posted by bigdude
so 60HD has 30 splines :flipoff2: News to me ;)


Actually over the last few years I have parted out at least 15 60HD equipped trucks...all have been 30 spline. All had the small spindles...

NoRM

Originally posted by scoobydann
if not i might go the ebay route and say

That right there should get you at least $700 if it is complete (which it looks like it is)

Epecially if you can be patient, just the knuckles out should be worth quite a bit to a guy building a rear-steer or otherwise customizing an axle.

What's your "axle guru" going to do about the spring perch mount on the driver side that's usually cast into the housing? Or is he gonna run coilovers?

Any chance it came out of a 4x4 conversion Van?

Originally posted by scoobydann
it is a front 60

I'd probably be a little more circumspect about this. All of the true "front 60s" I've seen have cast-in spring perches. It appears to be a rear axle center with front axle outers; if that's true and it's got some functional seals stuck in there somehow it may work just fine as a front axle, and it probably will bring ~$700 or better from the right buyer since it's got 1480 series joints and kingpins and all. But saying that "it is a front 60" carries the implication that it was manufactured by the Dana/Spicer corp. as a Model 60 front axle. As a "front axle" it appears to have been manufactured by someone else, from used parts. Make sure that the buyer knows exactly what it is, maybe even refer them to this thread. I'd try hard to avoid implying anything that can't be documented. Damn attorneys could get you on that one if the buyer isn't fully informed and gets pissed. ;)

What's your "axle guru" going to do about the spring perch mount on the driver side
I'll let him worry about it:p

All of the true "front 60s" I've seen have cast-in spring perches

this is what i always understood w/C & D being pass drop, and F being driver HP.

i looked at it again and it has 5 spindle bolts (ford, because my chevy has 6.)and it DOES have the seals in them.Make sure that the buyer knows exactly what it is, maybe even refer them to this thread. I'd try hard to avoid implying anything that can't be documented.

I completly understand and most likly go this route, but don't you think i could lose a sale because it is not a factory unit?