: Dana 20 Scout to Jeep question


TTM
11-26-2002, 12:48 PM
Does anyone know of the interchangeability of the Scout dana 20 from the T-18 i think, to the Jeep T-150. My friend has a scout dana 20, they are the same side diff drop, but what about the bolt pattern and the input shaft size??

CSP
11-26-2002, 02:35 PM
They are exactly the same. I like the Scout 20 better because the shift tower on it make it easier to twin stick than the Jeep version.

Scoutillac
11-26-2002, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by TTM
Does anyone know of the interchangeability of the Scout dana 20 from the T-18 i think, to the Jeep T-150. My friend has a scout dana 20, they are the same side diff drop, but what about the bolt pattern and the input shaft size??

The scout has a texas style pattern that differs from the jeep.

TTM
11-27-2002, 09:26 AM
Ok, one person says they are exactly the same, and another says different bolt pattern...

Sully
11-27-2002, 09:28 AM
CSP is wrong. The bolt patterns are different, as are the shifters.


It's just like the Scout 727 vs the Jeep 727. Internals are swappable, but they don't bolt up the same.

mike
11-27-2002, 09:40 AM
The jeep also has a texas style pattern. I didnt look too close at the scout 20/18 and the jeep 20/18 right next to eachother. But all the bolts appear to be in the same spots.

jdjanda
11-27-2002, 10:15 AM
Agree with Mike if you are swapping Heep and IH 20's then the pattern is the same. 18's have large and small bore's. IH 300's use Texas pattern, heep 300 round pattern

Old Scout
11-27-2002, 10:32 AM
If they weren' the same how do Jeep guys steal our D300s??????

mike
11-27-2002, 10:51 AM
Good point Bob.

NotQuiteSane
11-27-2002, 11:26 AM
Actually, the Jeep 20, like the waggy 44, is a more modern transfercase than it's scout sibiling.

NQs

mike
11-27-2002, 11:30 AM
That's just because the jeep 20 is more aerodynamic cause it wasnt designed for farm equipment

jdjanda
11-27-2002, 11:40 AM
Can't forget the molecular decay is slower for the heep stuff

CSP
11-27-2002, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Sully
CSP is wrong. The bolt patterns are different, as are the shifters.


It's just like the Scout 727 vs the Jeep 727. Internals are swappable, but they don't bolt up the same.

Bullshit if I am wrong! The Jeep Dana 20 and Scout Dana 20 (and 300) both use the Texas pattern. Now a Jeep Dana 300 does have a different pattern and won't bolt up. We're not talking Jeep 300's though are we? The guy asked about using a Scout 20 behind a Jeep T150. The Jeep T150 was only used with the Dana 20 tcase behind it, so that eliminates comparing a Scout 20 to a Jeep 300.

I already mentioned that the shifter towers are different. That has nothing to do with the two being interchangable with each other. I have a Scout Dana 20 bolted to the back of my T18a where a Jeep Dana 20 was. No mods required!

BTW, a Jeep 20 will bolt to a Scout 727 with a different bull gear used in the tcase.

Picture of Jeep Dana 20 input area:
http://www.jeeptech.com/xfer/d20f.jpg

Neps
11-27-2002, 06:06 PM
Yea what CSP said is correct....

I've got one of each right here :D

TTM
11-30-2002, 10:32 PM
So the consensus is that i can buy my friends Scout dana 20 because it WILL fit the Jeep T-150 that my Jeep dana 20 is behind right now??

P|n-BaLL
12-01-2002, 06:06 AM
I will add I have a Scout 20 bolted to a Jeep TH400 factory model 20 adapter laying in my iron pile now...so they must be the same huh?

NoRM

BlazerZR2
12-01-2002, 11:29 AM
And I have a jeep 20 bolted up to a th-400 using the factory adapter. So I would say they are swapable.

ItsaCJ6
12-01-2002, 12:07 PM
I even have a scout 20 bolted to my Ford T-18 using a Jeep Dana 20 adapter, hows that for cross reference.

TTM
05-02-2003, 09:36 AM
OK, now i got a new question, i want to use the TF 727 behind my 85 wagoneer in the jeep. I want to mount a dana 20 to the 727. What dana 20 do i need (scout or jeep) and what would i need to make the conversion work?(or can it work) i read that the jeep 727 has a 23 spline output and the t-150 has a 6 spline output. will any dana 20 work??

jdjanda
05-02-2003, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by TTM
OK, now i got a new question, i want to use the TF 727 behind my 85 wagoneer in the jeep. I want to mount a dana 20 to the 727. What dana 20 do i need (scout or jeep) and what would i need to make the conversion work?(or can it work) i read that the jeep 727 has a 23 spline output and the t-150 has a 6 spline output. will any dana 20 work??

What you need is the tail housing, output shaft, and bull gear from a Scout 727. I'll sell you the one I have or swap the parts. I have one pulled and ready to go. BTW, I'd recommend keeping the parts for future swaps, but I'll gladly trade you.

As far as the case goes as long as the t-case is from a Scout II, or from a 70's jeep you'll be ok. Dana used two pitches on the gears in the 20's 17 and 20 degrees. The newer t-cases tend to use the 17 degree pitch. You can pull the numbers from the cluster gear to determine if the two are compatible.

Joe

Old Scout
05-02-2003, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by TTM
OK, now i got a new question, i want to use the TF 727 behind my 85 wagoneer in the jeep. I want to mount a dana 20 to the 727. What dana 20 do i need (scout or jeep) and what would i need to make the conversion work?(or can it work) i read that the jeep 727 has a 23 spline output and the t-150 has a 6 spline output. will any dana 20 work??

Fawk the D20! A jeep D300 will bolt right up. Plus it's a better case!

TTM
05-02-2003, 11:24 AM
well i want to change engine/tranny in jeep but iw ant to keep the 20 cuz i got it, and the driveshafts are right, etc.

Old Scout
05-02-2003, 11:43 AM
Dude to get the D20 on the end of your 727 your going to need to change out the tailshaft/housing of your trans. That requires a complete re-build and the the length on the trans will change because of the new tailhousing. Your much better off dumping the d20 turd and getting a d300. There is little difference between the size of the D20 and the D300, I would bet your shafts will work.

iowa-hill
10-10-2009, 04:25 PM
Does anyone know of the interchangeability of the Scout dana 20 from the T-18 i think, to the Jeep T-150. My friend has a scout dana 20, they are the same side diff drop, but what about the bolt pattern and the input shaft size??
I took photos of my T-18, T-150, and Ford FMX auto trans to Dana 20 transfer cases. They look identical to me as far as mounting is concerned.

PDR John
10-10-2009, 08:41 PM
I took photos of my T-18, T-150, and Ford FMX auto trans to Dana 20 transfer cases. They look identical to me as far as mounting is concerned.

Sweet. It only took you 6 years to solve his problem.

With all you extra free time you can finally get started on that national debt problem.:shaking::shaking:

1tonIHs2
10-10-2009, 10:29 PM
:lmao::lmao::lmao:

I knew it was old because old scout was actively posting!