Well I finally got some time to work on them and got access to a digital camera, No it's not a buggy, but I want to use my freggn star ok!:p

My coils are kinda a cross brtween the shaffer kit, spidertrax upper Y link and some of my own thinking;) BTW the upper Y link is not done yet.....

Upper coil bucket

I think I'm going to buy some wheel spacers

I think I'm going 37's real soon, but I can't past up free 35's with 70% tread now can I:flipoff2:

Lower link frame mount

full coil, I might change the lower mount around a little. Oh yes the red drum WILL be painted black later, and before it see's the sun.

Bill with a non Triangulated top "y" link like what the pic suggests.. dont you get a lot of "rear steer"?

Wow,

Bill has a Zuk. I haven't seen pictures of that thing for, well, a long time. :flipoff2:

Damn glad to see you workingon the sucker.. I'm going to need someone to wheel with around here!

By the way, what did you have to buy the wife?

-Wayne

Originally posted by Sarcastro
Bill with a non Triangulated top "y" link like what the pic suggests.. dont you get a lot of "rear steer"?

Not to my knowledge. Rear steer is only affected by the lower link length; my lowers are 35 inches long (same as the Shaffer kit). I really don't think I'm going to get a lot of rear steer.
1. 35" long links
2. They are laying pretty flat so the arch of the movement will be minimized..ie rear steer

Originally posted by rotozuk
Wow,

Bill has a Zuk. I haven't seen pictures of that thing for, well, a long time. :flipoff2:

Damn glad to see you workingon the sucker.. I'm going to need someone to wheel with around here!

By the way, what did you have to buy the wife?

-Wayne

LOL no kidding huh, I opened my garage and said "WOH! I have a Zuk!" only thing I had to buy the wife was a roll of ducktape and a locking closet door knob(installed inside out):D LOL


Just kidding;)

lookin good bill, i like the mounts you made...Real clean!!

Originally posted by Sarcastro
Bill with a non Triangulated top "y" link like what the pic suggests.. dont you get a lot of "rear steer"? You mean, don't you get a lot of lateral movement?

Rear steer/ Roll steer occurs when the axle is articulated, and one lower arm effectively becomes longer than the other (because one ends up about flat and the other at significatly more angle) ... the closer to horizontal your arms are, and the longer they are, the less "rear steer" you get. ;)

My guess is that when Bill said "my upper Y-Link isn't finished - he meant he was going to do something like this later on to control lateral movement of the axle. Am I wrong, Bill? I just saw that unused link mount on the crossmember and put 2 + 2 together:

Originally posted by TNToy

My guess is that when Bill said "my upper Y-Link isn't finished - he meant he was going to do something like this later on to control lateral movement of the axle. Am I wrong, Bill? I just saw that unused link mount on the crossmember and put 2 + 2 together:



BINGO!!!

Get that man a door prize:D

Plus I'm redoing the top axle mount to help spread the load over a larger area.

Another thing is that if someone is wondering why I have not capped the upper link... I welded a 1/2 nut in side to mount a limiting strap to control the downward suspension travel. Right before the johnnie joint max's out.

Originally posted by RudeZuk
lookin good bill, i like the mounts you made...Real clean!!

Thanks Shane, you dA mAn thOO;)

What coils did you go with Bill Length/Diam/and #'s?
Looks good

Originally posted by TNToy
You mean, don't you get a lot of lateral movement?

Rear steer/ Roll steer occurs when the axle is articulated, and one lower arm effectively becomes longer than the other (because one ends up about flat and the other at significatly more angle) ... the closer to horizontal your arms are, and the longer they are, the less "rear steer" you get. ;)

My guess is that when Bill said "my upper Y-Link isn't finished - he meant he was going to do something like this later on to control lateral movement of the axle. Am I wrong, Bill? I just saw that unused link mount on the crossmember and put 2 + 2 together:

Thanks for Clarifiing.. didn't spot the mount up top..

Originally posted by Rockrat
What coils did you go with Bill Length/Diam/and #'s?
Looks good


HAL racing coils (summit) 14" tall, 3 3/8" dim, 150lb. $36 each

Originally posted by Bill4rest
Plus I'm redoing the top axle mount to help spread the load over a larger area. I'd also think about making it a little taller. Maybe about two inches - unless it'll hit a crosmember or something. The flatter that link gets, the less anti-squat you'll have.

[EDIT:] Looked at the side views, and it looks a lot closer to horizontal than I thought. Is the photo I marked up done with the suspension unloaded, or is that just the camera angle?

Originally posted by TNToy
I'd also think about making it a little taller. Maybe about two inches - unless it'll hit a crosmember or something. The flatter that link gets, the less anti-squat you'll have.

[EDIT:] Looked at the side views, and it looks a lot closer to horizontal than I thought. Is the photo I marked up done with the suspension unloaded, or is that just the camera angle?

In the 1st pic you'll see the cross member just thrown in there. I should have rotated it like it will be. So the mounting at the cross member will be about 3 inches down from the pic Also the coils are new so I should expect them to break in an inch or so as well. but that is a guess...

Originally posted by Bill4rest



HAL racing coils (summit) 14" tall, 3 3/8" dim, 150lb. $36 each

Thanx Bill did you fab your mounts or are they stock car issue?

Originally posted by Rockrat


Thanx Bill did you fab your mounts or are they stock car issue?

The coil bucket's? Well I fabbed all of my mounts:D The only thing I did'nt make are the Jonnie joints;)

Glad to see you finally found some time to work on that thing! I got the coils under the rear of mine this week as well. If all goes well, fronts will be under it this weekend.

fab work looks real good. i'd be pretty leery of running the jonny joint that way. they are designed to see loads at 90* from the way you have it. i'd think that maybe when the axle torques under power, the internals could pull themselves out the front of the joint, as all that is holding it together is a c clip. a RE joint has the threaded peice that would be stronger on the one side. is anyone else doing this? does it hold up? not trying to be critical, just the first thing i thought when i saw your setup. maybe i'm wrong here? take care---brad
edit-a little more triangulation on the uppers would be agood thing--cya

Originally posted by BRBx4
fab work looks real good. i'd be pretty leery of running the jonny joint that way. they are designed to see loads at 90* from the way you have it. i'd think that maybe when the axle torques under power, the internals could pull themselves out the front of the joint, as all that is holding it together is a c clip. a RE joint has the threaded peice that would be stronger on the one side. is anyone else doing this? does it hold up? not trying to be critical, just the first thing i thought when i saw your setup. maybe i'm wrong here? take care---brad
edit-a little more triangulation on the uppers would be agood thing--cya

Good point and time will only tell;) But I did put the clip to the rear so forward motion/axle wraping torque will be pushing on the backside washer and not on the clip.

The cool part about this set up is that if it does break.... the upper link is long enough to cut down and put another JJ on:D

I'm also not worried about the upper link right now; the thing is a solid triangle now! LOL The only thing I'm wondering about is if the frame and my cross member are up to the task:confused:

Looking sweet Bill! I realy like the mounts, nice gentle slope...and clean. Are you a long ways off from running or getting close?

Originally posted by BRBx4
. i'd be pretty leery of running the jonny joint that way.....

Yea, I'd second that thought. Several guys I know have had problems popping the snap ring out of the JJ (running in the designed direction). They've gone to tack welding the snap ring in place. May be helpfull for you as well....

Also, don't expect the coil springs to sag like leafs. If they are good quality springs, they will run a LONG time with no change. That's what they were designed to do! I ABUSED mine for over a year and when I changed springs they were within 1/8" of their origional free length! :)

BTY - looking good, you'll love the springies... :D

Originally posted by rotozuk
Wow,

Bill has a Zuk. I haven't seen pictures of that thing for, well, a long time. :flipoff2:

Damn glad to see you workingon the sucker.. I'm going to need someone to wheel with around here!

By the way, what did you have to buy the wife?

-Wayne


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Originally posted by scwafish
Looking sweet Bill! I realy like the mounts, nice gentle slope...and clean. Are you a long ways off from running or getting close?

I'm hopping to be done in Feb some time... Money permitting for the stuff I need (read want) to do.

Originally posted by okcrawler


Yea, I'd second that thought. Several guys I know have had problems popping the snap ring out of the JJ (running in the designed direction). They've gone to tack welding the snap ring in place. May be helpfull for you as well....

Also, don't expect the coil springs to sag like leafs. If they are good quality springs, they will run a LONG time with no change. That's what they were designed to do! I ABUSED mine for over a year and when I changed springs they were within 1/8" of their origional free length! :)

BTY - looking good, you'll love the springies... :D


Aye will see, if I do have probs I'll just change the link around. The coils should sag a bit from where it is now becasue the gas tank, rear bumper and third seat are not in yet.

Geez bill !

JJ i "think" ive seen other using the JJ in that way, but i see so many PBB pics i forget. Maybe it was a radius arm busing ?

but in any event looks good.....

but come on help your bud out, can't post a pic with people unless there's beer, power tools or the flip off ! -yag

TNToy: 4X Detective


Originally posted by TNToy
You mean, don't you get a lot of lateral movement?

Rear steer/ Roll steer occurs when the axle is articulated, and one lower arm effectively becomes longer than the other (because one ends up about flat and the other at significatly more angle) ... the closer to horizontal your arms are, and the longer they are, the less "rear steer" you get. ;)

My guess is that when Bill said "my upper Y-Link isn't finished - he meant he was going to do something like this later on to control lateral movement of the axle. Am I wrong, Bill? I just saw that unused link mount on the crossmember and put 2 + 2 together:

Originally posted by zukipuke
Geez bill !

JJ i "think" ive seen other using the JJ in that way, but i see so many PBB pics i forget. Maybe it was a radius arm busing ?

but in any event looks good.....

but come on help your bud out, can't post a pic with people unless there's beer, power tools or the flip off ! -yag

That's funny:laughing: :laughing: That's prolly the only time you'll never see a :beer: in that hand LOL

Originally posted by Bill4rest


Good point and time will only tell;) But I did put the clip to the rear so forward motion/axle wraping torque will be pushing on the backside washer and not on the clip. :confused:

You know how easily I get confused, but if the C clip is to the back of the vehicle, on top of the pumpkin, then wont it see all of the forward loads as it fights of axle wrap? Or do you have the clip facing the front?

Now get back in that garage.. The wife is going to be pulling that duct tape off anytime now!

-Wayne

Originally posted by rotozuk


You know how easily I get confused, but if the C clip is to the back of the vehicle, on top of the pumpkin, then wont it see all of the forward loads as it fights of axle wrap? Or do you have the clip facing the front?

Now get back in that garage.. The wife is going to be pulling that duct tape off anytime now!

-Wayne


You know what? I think your right:eek: oh well we'll still see. I guess it was a long night and I was'nt thinking LOL And I did'nt drink any either LOL

as the axle torques, the pinion will want to rotate up, and the upper V will try to pull the jjoint internals out of the front, so it'd be better to have the washer there and the cclip in the rear. hope it works for ya--brad

Originally posted by BRBx4
as the axle torques, the pinion will want to rotate up, and the upper V will try to pull the jjoint internals out of the front, so it'd be better to have the washer there and the cclip in the rear. hope it works for ya--brad

Nope I think Wayne is right, the center ball section is effectively part of the axle tabs. The axle rotates back thus the ball moving back and pushing on the E-clip.

Hey Bill, I'm sitting here looking at my j joints and I see what everyone is talking about. I guess maybe putting three or four tack welds aroung the c clip might help a lot. But what do I know anyway?????

Originally posted by NC Zuk
Hey Bill, I'm sitting here looking at my j joints and I see what everyone is talking about. I guess maybe putting three or four tack welds aroung the c clip might help a lot. But what do I know anyway?????


I'm gunna live DANGERous, I don't break often......did anybody see any wood laying around:confused: LOL

Bill, no concerns from me but what is your rear pinion angle set at? It will help me with mine.

Bill, this is why I asked.

Well, a few of you know that I've had a coil build up in the works. Almost as long as Bill. Well maybe not that long :flipoff2: Here is where I stand.

Originally posted by NC Zuk
Bill, this is why I asked.

Well, a few of you know that I've had a coil build up in the works. Almost as long as Bill. Well maybe not that long :flipoff2: Here is where I stand.


HA HA punk, if you weren’t a GB, I might consider punching you:flipoff2: LOL

Anyway I'm running toy axles and a CV rear shaft. So it is almost pointing right at the t-case, just a pubic hair below. I thinking around 20*


***edit*** Is that Shaffer's kit or Glenn's kit?

Originally posted by Bill4rest


Nope I think Wayne is right, the center ball section is effectively part of the axle tabs. The axle rotates back thus the ball moving back and pushing on the E-clip.

correct, just checked oout how the JJ is mounted. thats a big stress on that c clip tho, sorry, won't say it again, over and out--brad

Originally posted by Bill4rest
***edit*** Is that Shaffer's kit or Glenn's kit?

It's Glenns kit :D

NC Zuke:

That looks exactly like Schaffer's kit from the picture. I have it on my rig. Word of caution, don't overtighten the bolt on the upper Y-link or you'll squish the bushing too much and it will fail VERY quickly. I overtightened it on mine and killed the bushing on the first run. Also, if the bolt is just a nylon locking bolt, either use a lock washer with it or better yet double nut it. Mine had a tendency to back off, which also killed the bushing. Since getting the proper tightness and double nutting it I haven't had any troubles.

Like the red paint :flipoff2:

Originally posted by sh996
NC Zuk:

That looks exactly like Schaffer's kit from the picture. I have it on my rig. Word of caution, don't overtighten the bolt on the upper Y-link or you'll squish the bushing too much and it will fail VERY quickly. I overtightened it on mine and killed the bushing on the first run. Also, if the bolt is just a nylon locking bolt, either use a lock washer with it or better yet double nut it. Mine had a tendency to back off, which also killed the bushing. Since getting the proper tightness and double nutting it I haven't had any troubles.

Like the red paint :flipoff2:

Thanks for the words of advice. I definately will be aware of the bushing. Lojones had the same problem with his.

As for the kit looking exactly like Shaffers kit you are almost right. I don't want to start a debate over who did what and who made what but I can tell you I have seen both kits. The kit as you see it is pretty much the same. The difference in the rear is the shock mounting system, it mounts on the outside of the frame (see pic below) The front Arms are constructed different (hope to have a pic by Sunday) and the front shock mounting is different as well. To be perfectly honest, I don't care who MADE the kit, so long as I can enjoy the benefits of it. :D

Oh, the paint isn't red , it's Popsicle Orange My 5 yr old daughter picked it out and it's the color I'm gonna paint the zuk. :D

http://www.rocky-road.com/media/rearcoilupper.jpghttp://www.rocky-road.com/media/coilfrontlower.jpg

I agree with you about who made what, just get it and enjoy it!! The rear shocks mounted outboard is something a bit different, what's the logic on that?

As for the paint color, you GOTTA listen to the daughter!!

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the only other problem I've had with my coils is the lower bolt on the passenger front link at the axle housing has broken twice. It is the same bolt that your front shocks are mounted to, so definately keep an eye on it. I'm not sure why that bolt has broken, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the driver side being sleeved at that point to allow for articulation without binding up, but the passenger side is solid to prevent axle wrap.

The rear shocks mounted outboard is something a bit different, what's the logic on that?

Probably something to do with copyright infringements. As long as glenn made three or more changes to kit he can rightfully market it, that is if shaffers kit was copyrighted at all, which I doubt it was.


the lower bolt on the passenger front link at the axle housing has broken twice

Are they grade 8? If they are, then go to some grade 9.

Originally posted by nuttzack
Probably something to do with copyright infringements. As long as glenn made three or more changes to kit he can rightfully market it, that is if shaffers kit was copyrighted at all, which I doubt it was.

Ya know, I don't think that was it at all. The Shaffer kit never came with Shock mounts in the first place. He could add them in but they weren't his, he just purchased some and and added them to the price.

As far as changing it, RRO still offers the other style inward mounting for the rear shocks, but offers you the choice if you are running at minimum 2.5 bs rims so that they clear the tires. It won't be too much longer (Christmas?) before I can offer some feedback on the design.

:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Captainserveaho
:flipoff2:

BAHAHAHAH no kidding!

Upper link done:)
I think before I redo the JJ I'll try a different approch to the snap ring. Tack some metal plate to the outside of the JJ, over the the snap ring; on the JJ body.

***edit*** I also made a new back tab to spread the load over. Yes I know it's only tacked:flipoff2:

Got the Camera tonight so I took some pics:)

Hey, Bill. I'm a little concerned about that Super-flex joint on the diff. When you tap the gas, the pinion is going to kick up, thus pulling backwards on the upper link. I think it is going to end up yanking the C-clip right out of the joint, followed by all the internals. See what I mean? I was paranoid enough to mount my locating joints vertically to take all the stress off of the joints internals, and put it on the bolt/mount. And that's just from sideloads, you'll have to worry about shock load as well.

Originally posted by twistedmetal
Hey, Bill. I'm a little concerned about that Super-flex joint on the diff. When you tap the gas, the pinion is going to kick up, thus pulling backwards on the upper link. I think it is going to end up yanking the C-clip right out of the joint, followed by all the internals. See what I mean? I was paranoid enough to mount my locating joints vertically to take all the stress off of the joints internals, and put it on the bolt/mount. And that's just from sideloads, you'll have to worry about shock load as well.

I hate to agree with you but I do. I would not run that config without rethinking it. C-clips are not designed to take load in that direction. you are gonna trash it in no time. Those joints are not taking the load in the manner in which they were designed.

Bill,

I know it´s gonna suck to havta redo it, but if you leave it that way, that joint is gonna fail in very short order...:(

Doing burn out wheelie stands with that nitrous oxide alcohol burnin' 1 point nothin' liter :eek: ..........I could MAYBE see the JJ give out, but come awn folks.......that thing in double slammer ultra low divided by 2 multiplied by three minus 100 in reverse will only produce 100/ft lbs of torque ..... MAYBE.....I think the tack weld on the c-clip and rotationg the JJ 180* so that the c-clip is on the inner side, should do just fine.....:p

Yip, We've been over this on the last page. I do thank you all for the imput. The trail run is only an hour away, and JJ's are only $30, so we'll see what happens. After getting a "feel" for the rig after all this time, I'm gunna give that joint hell to see what happens. I don't feel right about changing something if I don't see it fail. When ever I get this thing out I'll update the boy's :D

Originally posted by Captainserveaho
Doing burn out wheelie stands with that nitrous oxide alcohol burnin' 1 point nothin' liter :eek: ..........I could MAYBE see the JJ give out, but come awn folks.......that thing in double slammer ultra low divided by 2 multiplied by three minus 100 in reverse will only produce 100/ft lbs of torque ..... MAYBE.....I think the tack weld on the c-clip and rotationg the JJ 180* so that the c-clip is on the inner side, should do just fine.....:p


Hey Fawlker, I have the fastest 1300 on my....er.....street:p

Oh yeah I forgot.....:flipoff2:......AND....its got a Flowmaster

"its the best sounding Sammy, that I've ever heard!" - Bill4rest after a few Mike's Hard Lemonade's :D

Originally posted by Captainserveaho
Oh yeah I forgot.....:flipooff2......AND....its got a Flowmaster

"its the best sounding Sammy, that I've ever heard!" - Bill4rest after a few Mike's Hard Lemonade's :D

For one edit your post fawlker so the smilies work:flipoff2:

and 2nd ....All about the ricehttp://www.rx7club.com/forum/images/smilies/gotrice.gif

































:flipoff2:

You are a fag anyway......what do I care about smilies :you'reafag:
:rolleyes:

I like Bill's plan, why re-do something when you haven't even had the pleasure of thrashing it first. :D

Originally posted by Captainserveaho
I'm a fag anyway......what do I care about smilies :I'm turning http://www.rx7club.com/forum/images/smilies/ghey2.gif :
:rolleyes:




http://www.rx7club.com/forum/images/smilies/owned.gif LOL J/K fawlker:]












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You know, the signal to noise ratio in the tech forums has just got out of hand since they turned off the post counts in shitchat..

Where's a moderator when you need one?

..and I'm just adding to the noise..

Originally posted by tdavis
You know, the signal to noise ratio in the tech forums has just got out of hand since they turned off the post counts in shitchat..

Where's a moderator when you need one?

..and I'm just adding to the noise..

Com awn T, I think of POR as a virtual garage, some tech, some bullshitting, If I'm wrong I'll shut up and go back to lurking:D

Originally posted by Bill4rest


Com awn T, I think of POR as a virtual garage, some tech, some bullshitting, If I'm wrong I'll shut up and go back to lurking:D

How bout you go back to welding and get this thing done:flipoff2:

Originally posted by RudeZuk


How bout you go back to welding and get this thing done:flipoff2:

I knew that was coming:laughing:

Rude, I'm pretty dirty right now:D .......welp break time is over back to the garage.....

Originally posted by Bill4rest


I knew that was coming:laughing:

Rude, I'm pretty dirty right now:D .......welp break time is over back to the garage.....

Just because you are rolling around on the garage floor doesnt mean that you are actually working:flipoff2:

Originally posted by RudeZuk


Just because you are rolling around on the garage floor doesnt mean that you are actually working:flipoff2:

BAHAHAHAHHA:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Looks good Bill. Can't wait to see it on the trail.

Dan

Originally posted by havebeerwilltravel
Looks good Bill. Can't wait to see it on the trail.

Dan

Dude when are you coming up to get your front springs? Oh and your fishing poles:) Are you going to LC this weekend?

Originally posted by Bill4rest
The trail run is only an hour away

Well???????? Did it work??? :bounce2::bounce:

Originally posted by Half Done


Well???????? Did it work??? :bounce2::bounce:

No, the trucks not done yet. Coil's where just "part" of the build up.

I still need to.......
Hydro the steering
Redo the S/R front, put the toy front in.
BODY work:( big one for me:eek:
Tube work..Front/rear bumper/nerfs...maybe a new cage:confused:
Mount the front fenders/clip.
last but not least Gears & lockers, then I'll be wheelable:D

Everything is going slow because of funds (E-5+home owner in Sand Diego+5yr old+wife=poor) LOL

Once I get the money to rebuild the front axle, things sould be moving a tad faster:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Bill4rest

Everything is going slow because of funds (E-5+home owner in Sand Diego+5yr old+wife=poor) LOL


sheez. I ask for more tech, and all I get is more bitching.. :D

:flipoff2:

so get back to work you lazy bum!

If he didn't go to bed at 6pm and wake up at 10am maybe he would get a little more done:flipoff2: ...... I guess if he did though he would have to change his name to RudeBill4rest......cause he'd have all of the neighbors calling the Sierra fags/EPA....:(