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X 2 on the shaved 14 diff cover

I would be in for a shaved diff cover.:smokin:

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Nice! :D

One of the biggest selling points for me on a diff cover is having it machined flat. They aren't hard to build at home, but it's hard to get one to come out flat without building a sturdy jig or having some fancy machining equipment.

Ya mean like this...

http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae8/Freerider2011/JEEPBUILD010.jpg

:D

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No way! You didn't just share a picture of your project....did you??? :flipoff2:

Looks nice! :smokin:

Just maaaaybe:smokin:

But i'de be interested in a shaved cover too!

I don't think that it would be a very good idea for them to offer a shaved diff cover, cause not everyone's shave will be exact and it would be challenge for them to predict how much people typically shave their 14 bolt. even if they take your measurements and make you a cover, most of them will still kinda be a one off and nothing they can stock and make any sort of money from. it seems like it would take a ton of time to do it that way, and time=$$$. it wouldn't be worth it to them. I could be wrong though, i'm just offering my thought. a good service they could provide though is if you make your own cover, ship them the cover for them to mill it flat for a small fee. since they have the jigs pre-built and it will for the most part still bolt up to it (minus a few bolts obv.). so you'll have a flat cover with a decent seal to it.

I used a weld together diff cover and modified it a bit ...it works great with no leakes so far ..my shave required the machining of the ring gear
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii74/john02r600tj/DSC01480.jpg

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii74/john02r600tj/DSC01458.jpg

Fordxranger. If they offered it as a kit, the amount you would shave off would be predetermined by them. It would be for the unshaved 14 bolts, not for an existing shaved housing.

But a shaved cover could be used as a template (or include a template) to cut the housing. Make a decision if it would be for people with turned down ring gears or regluar ring gears. That'll determine the size of the plate for the bottom of the housing.

The plate for the bottom could have tabs for extra bolts. Or extend past the diff cover surface and the cover sits on top.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=753139

Best thread on here for 14 bolt shave jobs. Use ideas from here to make a kit.

I though about this too. The plate that will be welded to the cut 14b would be tapped for the extra bottom bolts. I would have bought this rather then the regular one I did.

My shave job using the standard ballistic cover and right stuff gasket maker still leaks... I really should have done a cut and weld shave.

ID BUY ONE! ID LIKE TO THINK I COULD CUT & GRIND WELL ENOUGH TO USE IT AS A TEMPLATE. I SAY MAKE 'EM FOR US THAT ARENT SCARED.:flipoff2:

I'd be in for a shave kit.

I'd be in for a shave kit.

x141

x2

x eleventy billion :bounce2:.

~Casey

This has been on the 'to-do' list for some time, but now that we have enough welders on staff to catch up with our current product line I don't see why we can't start on this project.

Fawk I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything but it's totally possible to weld the cover without warping it. I've welded three together with no issues and no jig. I shaved my 14 bolt and shaved the ring gear it was easy it doesn't leak and as always I was happy to do it myself.

you could corner the market if you came out with a good way to offer a production shave kit for a 14 bolt.. there's a million DIY versions of the shave.. you could offer 2 options shaved ring gear and non.. throw a patent on it once its perfected so no one else banks off your idea and blamo !

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Are both the truss and shave kit on the "to do" list? I'm close to buying a truss for the 14 bolt and I'd just love to get one that extends out further than the one you currently make.

If you come up with any time line for these products please let me know when you can.

Ben...I've been working so damn much lately if I can have a kit shipped to my door and weld it on it sounds like a blessing. :flipoff2: I'll call you tomorrow.

True true I'm not saying a kit is a silly idea, it's a great idea. But you my friend are quite the fabricator and this is easily childsplay for ya. If the kit takes too long drop by the shop with a cardboard template and I'll cut it out of some half inch for ya. With that cover you really only need to cut the bottom part of the flat section out.

make sure to shave it high and tight. i like linoleum. \/

i would like to see your guys ideas ,for even a kit for a 60 front and a 14 rear ..but anyways i already have your covers and i like what u have done!!!!:D

Ya mean like this...

http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae8/Freerider2011/JEEPBUILD010.jpg

:D

Not trying to hijack, but that truss is killer. Looks almost identical to the one I have in my head waiting until I eventually link my truck's rear. Only difference is I was going to stitch-weld the tubes together, then use dimpled-dye gussets, but I'd use a set of axletube clamps instead of welding straight to the axletube. Anyhow, carry on...

This would be a great product.

I think anyone ballsy enough to do a major shave can source everything they need on thier own.Perhaps the best option is to start a whole new line of 14 bolt centersections.

I would buy one of these, I have enough expertise to do it myself but this would just make it quicker and easier.

This has been on the 'to-do' list for some time, but now that we have enough welders on staff to catch up with our current product line I don't see why we can't start on this project.

So im ready to hack the bottom off my axle. Any chance you have a prototype you want tested?

I would do this... if I dont win that 9" giveaway. :grinpimp::grinpimp:

If you guys do decide to make this shave kit, it should be a book with instructions on welding to cast iron, machining ring gears, etc. Basically the ins and outs of a nice clean shave with no nicks.:p

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Jeff and I tossed around a few ideas today. Something about 1/2" plate, 2 additional countersunk holes, some more 3/8's plate and provisions to make sure it has a very small chance of leaking. Hopefully we'll have something in the prototyping phase that I can get a few screen shots of on Friday. Thanks.

Awesome.

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Sounds great, I would love something like this.

How much are you guys looking to shave? I can probably get 1.5" pretty easily, but much more than that and I think we might run into needing to machine the ring gear.
http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww274/BallisticEng/Parts/shavekitassembly.jpg

Well I went ahead and cut mine 2 nights ago so it looks like Im on my own.

That said 1.25 is about what I am going to gain after I plate it with .5" plate. 1.5" Sounds great for future customers who don't want to machine the gear.

Do you have the extra bolts entering from the bottom?

Do you have the extra bolts entering from the bottom?

Yes, of course. I'm working for 3, buy might only be able to get two.

If I were to do it myself, i would go as far as i could. Including taking some off the ring gear. BUT, since i know if i did it, it would leak very badly..... i'm hoping y'all make a kit that will do just that.

The plan is to take off 3/8" of the ring ring on the OD.

i has been reading guys' shaving jobs on the 14B

what i noticed that they usually chop off about 2.5" then grind .5" off the ring gear then plate the gap with either 3/8" or .5" so 1.5" gain of clearance overall make sense

il buy this if this come out!

The plan is to take off 3/8" of the ring ring on the OD.

I'd buy the kit in this configuration. Will keep an eye on this.

I'll also be needing some sleeves as I'll be swapping axle sides - and if anything comes about for stock 6 x 5.5 modded hubs - be interested in that too...

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The plan is to take off 3/8" of the ring ring on the OD.
So my understanding of this posting is that you will be selling machined ring gears with the kit then?? Or will we have to send in our ring gear for machining??
Thanks,
Matt

So my understanding of this posting is that you will be selling machined ring gears with the kit then?? Or will we have to send in our ring gear for machining??
Thanks,
Matt

Well for most applications I think you'd want to match your used ring gear to your used pinion so it'd be better to send your gears in for us to machine or a have a local shop do it. If you want to swap gears then we can certainly get new gears and machine them before you get them.

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i just finished shaving and trussing my 14bolt, it was a LOT of work and would have gladly paid for a truss and shave kit, i've got almost a week and a half into it :( ON a side note, i was about to shave my ring gear, but did quite a bit of searching and found that it weakens the gears considerably because the gears hardened, and by grinding off some of the gear, you are cutting away the hardened area, opening it up to the softer metal, which creates a weak spot. If we sent you our gears would you put them through a process to reharden them (pardon my inexperience here, but i'm not exactly sure the initial process is to begin with).

i just finished shaving and trussing my 14bolt, it was a LOT of work and would have gladly paid for a truss and shave kit, i've got almost a week and a half into it :( ON a side note, i was about to shave my ring gear, but did quite a bit of searching and found that it weakens the gears considerably because the gears hardened, and by grinding off some of the gear, you are cutting away the hardened area, opening it up to the softer metal, which creates a weak spot. If we sent you our gears would you put them through a process to reharden them (pardon my inexperience here, but i'm not exactly sure the initial process is to begin with).

Well I'm still looking into the different types of treatment that OEM gears go through but until I find more information it looks like it's a standard heat treat process and then a well broke in set of gears will have a work hardened zone on the face of each tooth. This work hardened zone is localized to the surface where as the heat treat should be pretty consistent through the material. We'll find out a bit more after we turn one down, but I'm expecting that as long as we stay out of the main area of mesh then we won't have any issues, but I'll continue to do some more research to see if we can provide the best possible solution to our customers.

I am waiting on the edge of my seat for this one! I will definitley wait to see the finished product before I try it on my own. I am glad vendors like Ballistic are so open to the needs of us average Joe wheelers.

I'm looking forward to it too. I need to change out my gears anyway so I want to get the shaved ones when I get the kit.

make this already....i need to buy 5.13's for my 14 bolt...and now i want to wait until this comes out

My 14B is waiting patiently for this Shave kit!!!! I’m also waiting on the 5.38 gear purchase to see what you guys come up with.

Awesome, keep up the good work!

Any updates ?

Nice! :D

One of the biggest selling points for me on a diff cover is having it machined flat. They aren't hard to build at home, but it's hard to get one to come out flat without building a sturdy jig or having some fancy machining equipment.


I bought the RuffStuff D60 cover and thought it needed to be finish welded inside where the hat and ring are welded together. They welded it but the deep "V" only had a root pass in it. Looked unfinished so I welded it to the top of the "V". I have a 20" disc grinder so I dropped the table down most of the way and ground the ring flat after welding. Don't need no fancy machining equipment unless you consider a 20" disc grinder fancy.

Any updates ?

We're waiting for a machine to free up to machine a couple of ring gears to different diameters in order to continue. Won't be too long.

Need a few of these.... Get on it, we will take care of the ring gears:smokin:

waiting patiently:)

+1 to waiting


14b is getting ready to plop into the cj reaaaaaalllll soon

This is the only thing I'm waiting for before I place my order with you guys.

Ring gear was successfully machined today, the rest of the kit should go quickly. Thanks - Jeff

Looking forward to seeing what comes of this.

Scott

Looking forward to it, got a 14 waiting to drop into my Toy :D :D

:beer:Waiting

i want 1

Waiting as well.

Thanks!

and den?

x 2

There is progress. As stated before the ring gear got machined last week and today we cut the housing. Going to hopefully get a chance to get the bottom pieces ready to be cut and machined and we'll have some more pictures and information.

Interested to see what you guys come up with.

How about some CAD teasers? :D

OK, I'm interested in this. Subscribed.

Scott

Just paid for a 14 bolt. Picking it up in a few weeks and want to do the mods in February. Still stoked to see this work - especially a diff cover that will match the shave without needing excessive reworking.

Something tells me this should be good.....on the edge of my seat as well.

I am going to be installing my 14 bolt in my TJ in a few months and this sounds like an awesome mod to do before it gets installed. :smokin:

Geterdone

Happy New years from the slopes!!! Prototype parts are set to be cut Monday.

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Yes you do. :D

SWEET!!! I'm in AZ so if you need a tester!!

I am ready also and can't wait to cut my 14 bolt open. Will this kit include a diff cover to match?

Subscribed and a waiting

I've got my frankeinstein 14FF sitting on stands and Im local if you guys need. Gotta pick up some stuff from you guys anyways for it.

I've got my frankeinstein 14FF sitting on stands and Im local if you guys need. Gotta pick up some stuff from you guys anyways for it.

They have a 14B in the shop.

...picked up my 14 bolt last week. Ready to start shaving!!

It's Monday! Are they done huh huh huh???? Are they done are they done??? Just kidding take your time

It's Monday! Are they done huh huh huh???? Are they done are they done??? Just kidding take your time

x2

details or more pix of the truss! Very cool design. I would be in on the 14b shave kit also.:grinpimp::grinpimp:

Go TCU
Go UT
and one more..........
Go COWBOYS!!!!

subscribed. Cant wait for the shave kit...

It's my understanding that ring gears are case hardened and turning them down wil weaken them. I believe the general consensus is if you break a shaved one you probably would have broken a non shaved one. As there are a ton of people running shaved gears succesfully. That being said I would love to see some Rockwell hardness tests done on some of your turned gears ESP with different amounts taken off. I plan on doing a pretty significant shave that is a little different than most. But I may be interested in a cover, or some one-off parts. I'll shoot you an email soon. :smokin: now how about some teaser pics!

I was told they were through hardened , and thats the only reason I considered shaving mine. If they are case hardened then I may not do this

If you shave outside of where the pinion contacts is it really an issue how it's hardened?

It's my understanding that the gears are not case hardened, however the work hardened zone will cause a harder surface where the teeth contact. If you were to machine into this area, you're decreasing the surface area of contact and could potentially weaken the gear. In addition machining the surface flat could potentially add some stress risers at the edge of the gears that were not previously there. Any material removed from the teeth will weaken the gear, but how much really cannot be quantified without some testing.

I was told they were through hardened , and thats the only reason I considered shaving mine. If they are case hardened then I may not do this

They are case hardened otherwise they will warp to much if they are thru hardened.

Did this project die? Any updates? Teasers?

Hope this did not die I would like to shave my 14 with you guy's leading the way.

x2

It's not dead, we'd just like the shave to be as perfect as possible to the template on the bottom so we're going to put it on the mill as soon as it frees up. Thanks for the repeated inquiries.

You could offer a pre-lathed new ring gear...and what about cryo'd gears after the ring gears been cut down?:homer:

Picked up my 14 bolt Saturday - rebuilt with a Detroit and disc brakes. Dropped it off with a few friends who are going to narrow it, get the hubs done for 6 bolts - AND waiting on a shave kit (to include a diff cover that I won't have to fuss with to match the the shave) :D.

just another interested party... carry on

http://www.portal-tek.com/cart/images/14bolt%20diff%20cover.jpg

can we send in our ring gears for a shave before the kit is done?

anything happening with this lately?

WHAT'S THE LATEST?????? I'm wearing a grove in the shop floor waiting and pacing.

x500

just picked up a 14 bolt! lookin to shave it!

I'm in, I have a 14 that needs a to be shaved. Not sure if I want to tackle it myself and screw it up.

OK now I have 2 14bolts waiting for the kit... going to make 1 a front axle....HAHA!!!

:D

still waiting

OK now I have 2 14bolts waiting for the kit... going to make 1 a front axle....HAHA!!!

:D

make a build thread..:smokin:

never considered the shave before now please do it!

Hello? Hello? Please update us!

make a build thread..:smokin:

You bet! TJ driver drop. Looking into the C's, knuckles and shafts right now. The shave kit on both ends trussed with pinion guards is gonna be the ticket!

:smokin:

Whats Up :mr-t:

really interested in this.

Ballistic please just let us know if its going to happen or not. I've got a 14 bolt that needs a shave. I'm trying to decide wther I'll do it myself or buy a kit if you guys make one. I know you guys like to keep some stuff under wraps but I know that you've read all of us on here asking about it, just let us know if its going to happen.

Were simply waiting on some free machine time so that we can wrap this up. We're trying to get paid-for product shipped, and once we're caught up we'll get to work. Thanks for your interest -

Jeff

Thanks & hurry, summer time comes quick!

Thanks for the update! I'm glad you have such a good business going. It's great to see a USA company doing so well. Keep up the great work, and get those machines free'd up!

I'll be purchasing it as soon as yall put them on the market.

this sounds like an awesome idea. keep us posted!!

Just one more waiting for this to happen:D

just another interested party... carry on

http://www.portal-tek.com/cart/images/14bolt%20diff%20cover.jpg


That fawker is BAD! Too bad it doesnt come already welded... I cant weld to save my life.:shaking:

That fawker is BAD! Too bad it doesnt come already welded... I cant weld to save my life.:shaking:

That's just an outdated pic, the all come welded and machined now.

Thanks for updating me. Ill have to order one here in a few months when funds allow my truggy build. Stupid question, but I followed the address of that pic, and it wasnt to your website. Do you guys make those exact covers?

I think the shop needs to purchase another lathe. Because when you get the "shave kit" going it's going to be even slower:(

I think the shop needs to purchase another lathe. Because when you get the "shave kit" going it's going to be even slower:(


Ya no kidding over15,000 views to this thread I think the demand is high. even if 2.5% of that ordered that is 375 kits I realize that alot of those views are people just checking in but still I think they could sell alot of these. What do I know about marketing:shaking:

^ ditto

This is the most viewed thread in here and it's the second most replied to thread.

COME AWN!

^ ditto

Right now we're in our busy season and trying our best to keep our shipping up to par. Most resources are diverted to KOH and shipping, but we're almost done with this kit and just need a bit more time. Thanks - Jeff

Hate to say that although it looks like it's going to be a cool when and if it comes out, but given the trend of Ballistic Fab and "It will be ready soon" - I'm going to build mine without their kit. It's unfortunate that while Ballistic has some really nice stuff, the keep people waiting indefinitely mentality is a real deterence from holding out on your products and going with the next guy.

One of the last posts about another lathe going to be needed is really what got my attention. If it's taking this long to turn a test set of gears for a prototype - how long is it going to take to get your kit built and gears turned down once it's an actual kit? I understand needing to get the paid purchases out the door, but "We're almost done" could become a Ballistic Trademark :laughing:

So now we're getting our balls busted over something that we're not even selling?

The ring gear machining is not what takes the time, it's the product development. We machine D44 knuckles that come in the mail in under a week, and those require much more tear down and set-up than turning the OD of a ring gear.

Give us a chance to come out with a kick-ass product that isn't rushed and you will be glad you waited.

Jeff

Glad to be given the opportunity to wait... but I really what that HAVE feeling :D

Please just give us a realistic time frame when it will be done. I have been stalling on my 14b build waiting for this.

what a bunch of impatiant asshole's!!! :flipoff2:

I'm sure when this product comes out it will be bad ass...

Sit back down grab a cold :beer: and chill the f-out... you think great products just fall out of their butts.

No great products take time to develope, test, and then release for sale.

keep up the good work... I'm waiting to see how this comes out....

We do appreciate the "encouragement" and we're doing our best o keep production and R&D going, and getting the 18 wheeler ready for KOH. We could cease production on high steer arms, tear down the mill and get to work on this job, but we'd have another 300 people upset that their hi steer arms aren't shipping same day. We strive for quality and quality takes time, we can't just put product out and expect you to make it fit.

what a bunch of impatiant asshole's!!! :flipoff2:

Seriously, what a bunch of girls.

You remind me of the mechanically inept people at the front of my building promising customers delivery dates for products engineering hasn't even heard about yet, let alone started designing tooling for. The concept of product developement in a small company is way over your heads.

You guys act like you have some financial stake in this product. STFU, they're developing parts on their dime because you said you wanted it.

Ya no kidding over15,000 views to this thread I think the demand is high. even if 2.5% of that ordered that is 375 kits I realize that alot of those views are people just checking in but still I think they could sell alot of these. What do I know about marketing:shaking:

^ ditto

This is the most viewed thread in here and it's the second most replied to thread.

COME AWN!

Hate to say that although it looks like it's going to be a cool when and if it comes out, but given the trend of Ballistic Fab and "It will be ready soon" - I'm going to build mine without their kit. It's unfortunate that while Ballistic has some really nice stuff, the keep people waiting indefinitely mentality is a real deterence from holding out on your products and going with the next guy.

One of the last posts about another lathe going to be needed is really what got my attention. If it's taking this long to turn a test set of gears for a prototype - how long is it going to take to get your kit built and gears turned down once it's an actual kit? I understand needing to get the paid purchases out the door, but "We're almost done" could become a Ballistic Trademark :laughing:

Please just give us a realistic time frame when it will be done. I have been stalling on my 14b build waiting for this.

I just recieved my control arm joints from you guys and they are Awesome. I am willing to bet that this shave kit is going to be just as Cool. Thanks for the Awesome Products. :usa:

Well, sorry for wanting a product. geez... it's just a little jabbing that's all!
:flipoff2:

So now we're getting our balls busted over something that we're not even selling?


Sure, why not? :laughing: You've had since October when this thread was started to design, R&D, mass produce and start shipping this bad boy - now get to work!!!

In all seriousness - it's an honest question, not trying to slam them for selling what they already make by any means and turning a profit. Is the hold up on the ring gear or the rest of the kit? I saw back on the 18th the prototype ring gear was turned down and some parts have been scheduled to be cut (and milled?) back in December or early January. I think what we're all wondering is - is this out a month or two or are we looking at more like a year to complete R&D and product testing?



Not to Ballistic, but another post above - ummmm..... yeah that's part of business to spend your dime to develop a product that's in demand, that's part of R&D. Unless you're saying that a magic money tree should grow next to every business when an idea comes out, that's the way it works. You invest a certain amount of money into researching the product, determing if a demand is there, feasibility of developing it and turning a profit and actually developing it. That moment when interest is lost and people stop asking about it - that's when you threw that dime out the window - especially for people like me who have an attention span of a 3 year old.... :laughing:

I'm off the soapbox now, you can have it back :cookie:

The ring gear is machined, the housing is rough cut and Rev. 1 of the parts are made. We'd like put the housing in the VF3 and machine it flat, rather than just rough cut it though. this will give us a perfect surface to mate our other parts too. We know you guys won't be able to machine your housings when shaving them so we would like our end to be as accurate as possible so that all the holes have the best chances of lining up with no modification. Thanks.

Still Gladly waiting.


Take all the time you need, Quality isn't rushed.

Patiently waiting, I have plenty of other things to work on. :D

I've been watching this thread and unlike some of the others, my 14B build is still a little ways out. I usually just fab my own stuff, but for this I'll wait. Keep up the good work guys and put one more potential buyer on your list.

On a side note, if, and only if, turning the ring gears gets in the way of production, I'm sure we can all find a friend or a local shop to do that much for us.

I've been watching this thread and unlike some of the others, my 14B build is still a little ways out. I usually just fab my own stuff, but for this I'll wait. Keep up the good work guys and put one more potential buyer on your list.

On a side note, if, and only if, turning the ring gears gets in the way of production, I'm sure we can all find a friend or a local shop to do that much for us.

yeah or like the 15 threads on the 2-man grinder/drill technique:laughing:

The ring gear is machined, the housing is rough cut and Rev. 1 of the parts are made. We'd like put the housing in the VF3 and machine it flat, rather than just rough cut it though. this will give us a perfect surface to mate our other parts too. We know you guys won't be able to machine your housings when shaving them so we would like our end to be as accurate as possible so that all the holes have the best chances of lining up with no modification. Thanks.

That's all it takes - 5 minutes each week to bang out an update. :D

While I've not chimed in other than to ask for updates - am getting a serious kick out of everyone getting their panties in a wad complaining about the complainers. Geez - nothing wrong with a good ribbing or a little bit of persuasive encouragement :flipoff2:

any updates this week?

I'm not here to bust your chops, I think you guys are top notch. Take your time, don't rush this to please 20 People. However if I may make a suggestion... IMO Customer service is a very important. When asked for a ballpark time frame, Instead of repling with we are busy, I think you'd be better suited to say I'm sorry at this time I'm not sure however we will do our best to get the ball rolling. Or it should be completed within the next 6 months. Now I'm not saying come on here everyday and post 15 pics, but one every now and again would be nice. Just my $.02

I just picked up my 14b today and was planning on starting my shave (and ring gear machining) in the next couple of days. I may wait a few days and see what happens with this thread. I'm in the Phx area, if you want me to cruise down to Tucson with my axle to test a prototype let me know. :grinpimp:

This is going to be Awesome :D

People are going to stand in line only so long..............

Just got mine back and done. 0.5 inch off ring gear. 2.5 off diff. Only took 3 months to get it back :shaking:


Was that done by Ballistic, or just another shave job?

looks like another shave job... that axle wasn't machined nor is that a Ballistic cover...

Okay good. No offense to the poster, but I'd be a little pissed if I waited 2 1/2 months for Ballistic and got my axle back like that.

Did Ballistic do that or somebody else?

To the Ballistic Fab guys. I posted my pictures in the wrong section. Did not mean to highjack thread. Have deleted post. I am sure your shave kit will be quality like your other items.

Ill take one.

To the Ballistic Fab guys. I posted my pictures in the wrong section. Did not mean to highjack thread. Have deleted post. I am sure your shave kit will be quality like your other items.

I don't think anyone cares so long as it's clear it's someone elses work - where did you end up reposting the pics :D If nowhere - post up here - don't be shy...

Will repost in axle section later tonight and describe what was done.

axle section?

where are these supposed pictures? im not seeing anything on the last page? im sure ballistic wouldnt do a hack ass job....

Posted in another section
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11088437#post11088437

Call it a hack job if you want, but the person that did the work does a quality job and has been for over twenty years. He has one of the busiest and successful drivetrain shops in Texas. Needs paint but otherwise looks great.:D

Sorry it took so long to reply. Operating to midnight last two days.

I just read 7 pages and for what? A guy asking a question. A company bringing up something then not doing it and haveing people believe that they are waiting on a "machine to free up"? Posts like this should be taken off. I had hopes of seeing something.....

Yup, pretty much.......

I'll go ahead and be the first to say, had hoped to get this setup for my rig and have now completely lost any interest in it. When and if it comes to be, this potential customer lost interest (and unsubscribed)

Yup, pretty much.......

I'll go ahead and be the first to say, had hoped to get this setup for my rig and have now completely lost any interest in it. When and if it comes to be, this potential customer lost interest (and unsubscribed)


The parts are almost completely done and are in testing.

I hope you will be offering a shave /diff cover kit. I have no need for a truss.:smokin:

Both will be available.

The parts are almost completely done and are in testing.


Let's see some pics! HHHMMMMM almost done and testing them???????

Yes, we are very close. No pics just yet.

Thanks for the update...... I will be ready for one as soon as they are ready.

So will it be an option to drop off the whole axle and gear and have you weld it all up and shave the gear?

Hey Jeff, how thick is the bottom plate on the diff gonna be? I hope 1/2"! Let me know when we need to do some REAL testing and thrash on some parts. We can put some 31's on my rig and drag some diffs:D

.5" is correct... pretty sure it will hold up even to your insanity.

So will it be an option to drop off the whole axle and gear and have you weld it all up and shave the gear?

Probably not, but we'll see once we get caught up on the DIY demand.

.5" is correct... pretty sure it will hold up even to your insanity.

Sounds good, I'm holding out on a diff cover to shave the axle and do the diff cover at the same time.

The diff cover will be part of the kit, and you won't be able to easily modify our standard 14B cover to work to it's full potential.

The diff cover will be part of the kit, and you won't be able to easily modify our standard 14B cover to work to it's full potential.

That's why I'm waiting:flipoff2:

Sounds good, I'm holding out on a diff cover to shave the axle and do the diff cover at the same time.

Ditto. Stoked to see you progressing.

We plan to take it a step above what's currently available.

Quality products are worth the wait.

Something tells me a few people in here were sleeping in the "supply and demand" section of economics. Simply business, nothing more. That's how it goes and Ballistic knows that.

man thats a good lookin cookie!

:cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :bert: :rasta:

I'm going to stand up and throw out a HUGE I'm sorry!!!

I thought the post was in Gen. and would NEVER have posted up in someones thread.

I had done a search under "new posts" and this thread pulled up. I had no clue at the time which section the post was made in and figured it was in Gen.

I am very sorry and have deleted my posts and would like to request that others do the same. Being that this is your thread I was WAY out of line. I have bought from Balllistic in the past and have been more than happy with their products. Good people to deal with.

Todd

Revision 1 has come and gone and we made some improvements to the overall design that will make this system very rigid and easier to manufacture... as well as easier for the end user to do their part.

Allen will be posting some renderings here in a few minutes as well as some pics of the shave.

Jeff

Revision 1 has come and gone and we made some improvements to the overall design that will make this system very rigid and easier to manufacture... as well as easier for the end user to do their part.

Allen will be posting some renderings here in a few minutes as well as some pics of the shave.

Jeff

:beer: :cool2: :D

:bounce2::bounce2::bounce::bounce::bounce2::bounce ::bounce2::bounce:

Revision 1 has come and gone and we made some improvements to the overall design that will make this system very rigid and easier to manufacture... as well as easier for the end user to do their part.

Allen will be posting some renderings here in a few minutes as well as some pics of the shave.

Jeff

I could drive over there faster than Allen can post:flipoff2: And we both know you don't want me to cruise over there.:D

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I am digging it. How much?

Pricing will be set late this week. We'll begin machining tomorrow on some of the components and will get a better feel for the total time involved to produce a set.

Thanks - Jeff

Jeff, looks good.
On average, how much extra ground clearnace are we looking at here ?

2" approximately

15 bolt????:laughing: :smokin:

cant wait for the price!

how much off the ring gear?

I like it. I'll be waiting on the price as well. :)

oh yeah!

15 bolt????:laughing: :smokin:

cant wait for the price!

how much off the ring gear?

15 bolt conversion kit... I like the sound of that :D

We're taking 3/8" off of the diameter.

Price coming soon -

Jeff

15 bolt conversion kit... I like the sound of that :D

We're taking 3/8" off of the diameter.

Price coming soon -

Jeff


awesome cant wait... this may be worth pulling the 14 out of the bed of my truck!

https://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/diffcover/14bshavekit1.JPG

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SWEET!!!!!! looks awsome!!! Thank you soooo much for the update!!

Subscribe.

bad ass... :smokin:

Kind of a pain to put together all this info, but any idea on clearance compared to a D60 or a fabricated 9". Kind of silly to compare it to a fabricated 9", but I am curious as to how they all measure up. 2" is a lot of clearance!! Thanks Ballistic. It looks great :smokin:

This is great! Hope the price isn't too high. :D

I have a question, did the design ever consider having the bottom plate go under the diff cover as opposed to having the diff cover bolt to the verticle face of the bottom plate?

It appears in the CAD pic that it is thick material and 4 bolts holding it, I assume it would be adequate, to not peal back or leak over time. I am simply asking.

Still interested in the piece and price.

Can't wait to order one. I was wondering if you guys are gonna test these before you start selling them? And how thick is the bottom plate, overall and where it is machined to clear the ring gear?

How thick does the bottom end up where it is groved out for the ring gear?
I would also consider having a radius on the inner edges of the groove instead of a staight cut.

how many degrees did you roll the pinion up before cutting the bottom flat, and is it clearanced enough to need the top of the housing ground out to get the ring in once the bottom plate is welded?

Rev 1 had a full bottom plate. We felt that it would be difficult for the DIY to complete this properly and avoid leaking over time. As a solution we added extra material to the bottom rib on the cover to prevent peeling and add a skid-like feature. Also a hard hit would render the entire kit useless if the bottom plate were to bend.

The pinion was rolled 6º, a full template will be included so that the back-yard machinist won't have a problem with a saws-all and grinder. The bottom plate will have this angle incorporated into it as well, so you could technically use the cover and bottom plate bolted together as a template as well. We will include full DIY instructions as well as alternative machine shop instructions.

The top should not require grinding for ring gear installation.

The clearance on the bottom plate leaves .25" of material, more than adequate since it only spans just over 1 inch.

Jeff

Minimum thickness at this time is 0.263" so over a 1/4".

Very nice. Ready to order. Any change the special shaved diff cover can be ordered in conjunction with the truss diff cover - or is this too much to ask at this point...

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/14-Bolt-Rear-Axle-Truss-_p_1493.html

Very nice. Ready to order. Any change the special shaved diff cover can be ordered in conjunction with the truss diff cover - or is this too much to ask at this point...

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/14-Bolt-Rear-Axle-Truss-_p_1493.html

Not at all, this will be an available option from the get-go.

Thanks - Jeff

The pinion was rolled 6º, a full template will be included so that the back-yard machinist won't have a problem with a saws-all and grinder. The bottom plate will have this angle incorporated into it as well, so you could technically use the cover and bottom plate bolted together as a template as well. We will include full DIY instructions as well as alternative machine shop instructions.

Jeff

Cool, can't wait to see the finished product and what the price is going to be.

Ken

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Worth the wait..... looks :smokin: I'll be in line as soon as they're priced and ready. glad to see you're including all the template and instructions. Any advantages to machining v.s. sawzall and grinder other than "perfect surface?" Just wondering if I should build a jig to hold the beast on the table.

For me it was a no brainer because I have the equipment, but I'm assuming that most will have the time and patience to do this without a mill.

Curious about timeline?

^ see below
Pricing will be set late this week. We'll begin machining tomorrow on some of the components and will get a better feel for the total time involved to produce a set.

Thanks - Jeff

Oh no it's late fri night and no price. I hope you guys don't keep dragging this out.

Weeks begin on Sundays, jackass :flipoff2:

Weeks begin on Sundays, jackass :flipoff2:

HHHHHMMMMM well it’s late Saturday, the end of THIS week, and still no update. Jackass :flipoff2:

Then start bitchin and moanin :flipoff2:





:laughing:

BF is a business and when they announce a date and time they should stand by it. In my opinion that would be good business.

What happened here? I'm sad.

what happened is we are waitin.... still..... only now we have a reason

Just getting things dialed in, don't worry, we're still making just as much progress as if I had posted an unsure price.

Just an idea, it may not even be a good one, but what if you bolted the bottom piece to the housing instead of welding it? I know it would be difficult to get it totally flat for a sealing surface.

Since I had it fixtured in the mill I was actually going to drill and tap the bottom of the housing, but realized how little casting there actually is there. They would need to be through holes, which inevitably means leaks or at least seeping, so I opted not to do it that way.

We believe that it will actually be quite easy to get the bottom piece on true since we will weld the cover and machine it flat in-house. All you will need to do is bolt the bottom plate to the cover, then bolt the cover to the housing and weld away.

Am I making any sence?

Jeff

Since I had it fixtured in the mill I was actually going to drill and tap the bottom of the housing, but realized how little casting there actually is there. They would need to be through holes, which inevitably means leaks or at least seeping, so I opted not to do it that way.

We believe that it will actually be quite easy to get the bottom piece on true since we will weld the cover and machine it flat in-house. All you will need to do is bolt the bottom plate to the cover, then bolt the cover to the housing and weld away.

Am I making any sence?

Jeff

Sounds pretty clear to me. Lookin' forward to seeing the final product all welded up.

Since I had it fixtured in the mill I was actually going to drill and tap the bottom of the housing, but realized how little casting there actually is there. They would need to be through holes, which inevitably means leaks or at least seeping, so I opted not to do it that way.

We believe that it will actually be quite easy to get the bottom piece on true since we will weld the cover and machine it flat in-house. All you will need to do is bolt the bottom plate to the cover, then bolt the cover to the housing and weld away.

Am I making any sence?

Jeff

sounds cool! post the instruction maual that comes with it:grinpimp:

Oh yeah sounds good.

Removed at the request of the original poster.

The complete kit with 3/8" Machined Diff cover, hardware, templates and instructions will be $249.99 ea, Truss systems will be $374.99.

Thanks, we're currently wrapping this project up so we should have a pre-order page on the website shortly.

Jeff

I don't know if I missed it in the thread, but does that include us sending a ring gear to you to be machined?

Any pics of the final version assembled on an axle? I'll be putting a pre-order in as soon as you post it. Looks good!

Ken

i don't know if i missed it in the thread, but does that include us sending a ring gear to you to be machined?

Any pics of the final version assembled on an axle? I'll be putting a pre-order in as soon as you post it. Looks good!

Ken

x2

I would like to see a price including a new machined ring gear. If I have to buy one I would rather buy one new from you guys ready to go in!

Oh.. I'll need (2) kits! w/o the truss.


Thanks!
:D

If we do offer this service everyone will need to settle on a gear brand, and we will need to sell the accompanied pinion gear as well.

How much to machine ring gears?

so we cant ship you ours?

Bummer... I have always delt with Randy's Ring and Pinion. Why can't we ship you our old ring gear? Is it a liability issue?

that thing looks sweet. i will be in your area next month. hope to stop by and pic up the shave kit and truss. great work as always guys.

The complete kit with 3/8" Machined Diff cover, hardware, templates and instructions will be $249.99 ea, Truss systems will be $374.99.

Thanks, we're currently wrapping this project up so we should have a pre-order page on the website shortly.

Jeff

Awesome Jeff. Want me to come by and pick up #1? :smokin:

$50.00 to machine the ring gear, two week turn-around. $199 to take a bare housing with no brackets, machine the bottom and weld the necessary parts, complete setup ready to go.

$249.99 (kit) + $50.00 (ring gear machined) + $199.00 (machine and weld housing) = $498.00 + ring & pinion if we provide them.

Jeff

SWEET:smokin:

How much for just the bottom plate? Already ordered a diff cover that arrives soon but like the idea of how you did the bottom.

We can take the cover back if you want. I am not about to start piecing it off just yet, we only made a certain number of kits to start with.

Jeff

This is a very cool product! Do you have any photos of a completed set up possibly with the truss you offer? Thanks.

Are you just shaving the ring gear on a lathe with a carbide tip?

Are you just shaving the ring gear on a lathe with a carbide tip?

Yes, you take 3/8" off the diameter in a lathe, must use carbide inserts.

This is a very cool product! Do you have any photos of a completed set up possibly with the truss you offer? Thanks.

Not yet but we're working on it.

Jeff

When do you expect kits to be available? Should you create a poll to see how many folks plan to order.

When do you expect kits to be available?

X10 I am ready to start cutting so need something soon.

When can I drive down and drop off the whole housing? You can do it all!

When do you expect kits to be available? Should you create a poll to see how many folks plan to order.

X2. I'm ready to order one asap!

I will be in for one of these shortly as well. Do you have a picture of the truss? Does the truss price include the shave kit or are those seperate?
Ben