I know this has been done and another thread got me curious. How did y'all clearance the trackbar around the pumkin? How much lift? and, most importantly, pics?

SeanP

hahahahah ,now yur talking dude....i have one here for ya i can make you a good deal on man let me know...:D

i assume your talking front axle?

if so here's mine in my tj.

http://www.jeeps-in-progress.com/pics/tontest/frontend.JPG

Alan, do you have an close up pictures or the steering and trackbar mount? You are using RE long arms right? I am too. I would be interested in seeing the pass side upper CA mount too.

Shawn, I saw your for sale ad but I am looking for a newer BJ 60 that is in good condition still (good hubs, brakes, etc.) Plus shipping it from East coast to CA would cost a couple hundred.

SeanP

sean. i am sure we can make a deal.s/h would be like 250$ and bj isnt as strong as king pin .you know that .also you dont want 5 lugs you want 8 so you can run dual piston caliper ....:D

I have a HP60 under the front of the XJ but it's on leafs so that dosn't help. Sorry.
Good choise Sean P
You will be happy when you can stand on it and not worry. I have made mine 35 spline all the way with flanges and full Hydro Steer.

Nick

Sean, talk to JohnBuuu on here; he demolished his last XJ and is currently building another with a HP60 front and a 14bolt rear. His previous XJ ran a Dynatrac 60 rear and a HP60 front that were around 63" wms wide.

Also, MR. CLEAN runs a full-width HP D60/ 14bolt - work was done by Wagoner Machine Shop.

Have you decided on what to do about your 9" yet?

Hey sean wanna sell your 9"? :D

Jason (s): I am going to keep the 9", even tho I am selling the 31sp/detoit/4.56 third. I ordered a Strange third that can accomodat the larger bearing 35SP detroit. Dutchman is going to do some analysis on the two axles and either replace for free if defective or for half price if not. I am going to get new 35sp drilled 8 on 6.5 and 5 on 4.5 so I can run my 30 until I build a 60. I am really interested in seeing how to get the diff to stuff and clear the steering and trackbar. It is do-able, I just want some ideas.

SeanP

Sean, I hope you get a free set of shafts - I still don't see how they blew without you even "getting it". IIRC, one snapped clean off into the Detroit and the other's splines were twisted right? Since you're stepping up to a 35 spline count, will Dutchman hook those up for free (if they decide they owe you) even though they're 31 spline count? - is there much of a price difference between the 31s and the 35s? :confused: Either way, atleast you're getting them for half price, but FREE is a much better deal.:D

Shaving the bottom of that D60 is a must IMHO, but has anybody gone to the trouble of shaving down the top some to gain a little, eventhough your UCA mount will be located there? Is that even doable, or am I just :smokin: ?

:flipoff2:

I have never thought about shaving the top of a 60. I was planning on running a piece of tube on top of the 60 pumpkin and attaching my upper ca to that. This makes clearance even more of an issue. Shoot, this whole front axle thing is a PITA. Maybe a HP44 with warn/ctms IS the way to go.

SeanP

Sean....i understand the concern about fitment....but i think youll be fine unless you are running a mike leach header ( i was, and it swoops real low, not a problem with a d30, but d60 would have been another story)

here is a link to a guy on here, Aaron i think his name is, goes by mr clean on naxja i believe...
this should give you some reference of how the 60 sits under there....
http://community.webshots.com/album/46075190kbfipT

What size tires you runnin with them big'n axles Sean? :D

Originally posted by JohnBuuu
Sean....i understand the concern about fitment....but i think youll be fine unless you are running a mike leach header ( i was, and it swoops real low, not a problem with a d30, but d60 would have been another story)

here is a link to a guy on here, Aaron i think his name is, goes by mr clean on naxja i believe...
this should give you some reference of how the 60 sits under there....
http://community.webshots.com/album/46075190kbfipT

John, thanks for the link. That is exactly what I was lookin for. I need to contact him for more details on his trackbar mount,etc. His DS upper CA mount is mounted really high on his pumkin, not sure why.

John do you have a HP60 in the front? Economos seems to think so, not sure. I know that I do NOT want to run leaf springs.

and Jason-R :flipoff2: , running 35s now, but I smell 37s or 38s in the not-so-distant future.

SeanP

Originally posted by SeanP


John, thanks for the link. That is exactly what I was lookin for. I need to contact him for more details on his trackbar mount,etc. His DS upper CA mount is mounted really high on his pumkin, not sure why.

John do you have a HP60 in the front? Economos seems to think so, not sure. I know that I do NOT want to run leaf springs.

and Jason-R :flipoff2: , running 35s now, but I smell 37s or 38s in the not-so-distant future.

SeanP
sean, i have a 60 front, but i totalled my rig before i got to put it in.
as far as working everything out was concerned though, it was ready to bolt in...
and nothing against leaves over here, but i like links and coils more as well.
my xj is in the garage right now, after i finish fitting the engine, ill snap some pics of how the axle fits in there.

My fault Sean; I thought John had already had that HP60 front under his previous rig as well as the new.:emb:

John, when you get the pics, I'd love to see'um.:D

Originally posted by JohnBuuu

sean, i have a 60 front, but i totalled my rig before i got to put it in.
as far as working everything out was concerned though, it was ready to bolt in...
and nothing against leaves over here, but i like links and coils more as well.
my xj is in the garage right now, after i finish fitting the engine, ill snap some pics of how the axle fits in there.

Excellent, pics would be great! I am going to be busy installing a new atlas for the next couple of weeks anywho, so no worry:eek:
Did you use a drop trackbar bracket like RE's? I am thinking that I won't need a drop bracket any more, and of course I just finally threw my stock one away last month after having it in my garage two years.

I am running the RE TJ long arms with a custom cross member and will retain this design with whatever axle ends up under my XJ. John, I would like to see how the bracketry attaches to your 60 also. Did you have your axle built and by whom?

Originally posted by Dust Puppy
i assume your talking front axle?

if so here's mine in my tj.

http://www.jeeps-in-progress.com/pics/tontest/frontend.JPG

Dust Puppy ...
Please say how much you cut off the short tube on your 60.
Looks like 3 or so inches.
I need to make sure my front drive shaft has room around a TH350 and it looks like you got your pumpkin well off center.

i hope some of these help. i have the skyjacker track bar that relocates to the tj stabalizer mount. i had the track bar lenthened too.

edit: jaffer.... i didnt shorten the axle its full width.

DP

http://www.jeeps-in-progress.com/pics/14b/done/pass.jpg

http://www.jeeps-in-progress.com/pics/14b/done/steering.jpg

http://www.jeeps-in-progress.com/pics/14b/done/driver.jpg

http://www.jeeps-in-progress.com/pics/14b/new2/dp01.jpg

http://www.jeeps-in-progress.com/pics/14b/new2/dp02.jpg

Originally posted by XtremeEngineering
I have a HP60 under the front of the XJ but it's on leafs so that dosn't help. Sorry.
Good choise Sean P
You will be happy when you can stand on it and not worry. I have made mine 35 spline all the way with flanges and full Hydro Steer.

Nick

:D

Man you get stuff done fast!!

Im keeping my 79 RC d60 stock with leafs till it brakes, If it brakes Ill then swap out the outers.....

Why not leafs?

Originally posted by ashmanjeepXJ


:D

Man you get stuff done fast!!

Im keeping my 79 RC d60 stock with leafs till it brakes, If it brakes Ill then swap out the outers.....

Why not leafs?

Mounting a 60 via leaves to a unibody scares me a bit. I would do it bit I would weld a whole lotta .25" plate around the spring hangers. I spent a lot of time designing my long arm setup and building my crossmember. I am not quite ready to go back to the drawing board for leaves.

Alan, thanks for the pics. Do you have a pic of the track bar mount on the frame end? Is it a drop mount? Did you move it forward or is it in the stock location? I am very impressed with your CA mounts, very sweet!

SeanP

Dust Puppy, whats up with your coils? The appear to be "bowing" inward towards the upper mounts. I'm guessing the driverside bucket wouldn't clear the diff? Have you had any problems out of that?

Yeah they call me a work junkie. Who would of thought huh?
Ashman if you saw me drive you would no why I need 35 spline even with a 160,000 mile 4.0:D

Nick

After making up some long arms, AS WELL AS doing the brackets on an HP 44, I would not use the stock bracketry Setup again. I'd do something more Ford-y (see what Cbassett did).

As far as using a bent tube over the diff: I made an over-the diff cradle out of 3/16" steel, which has proven to be strong enough. I wish I had a digicam, but basically it's like half of an octagon, and about 4" wide. It's super low profile, and it's so close to the pig that I also put a bead of 7018 connecting it to the pig (which helps out). I also boxed some of the angles, but it's really not needed, I don't think. Basically, I don't think there's enough room there to be generous with a big bent piece of tube. It's all about being really really stingy on the driver's side - you'll see what I mean soon enough. :)

Bob

4.5" of lift- The track bar touches enough to rub the paint off the top of the cover about the size of a penny.

Originally posted by Trango
After making up some long arms, AS WELL AS doing the brackets on an HP 44, I would not use the stock bracketry Setup again. I'd do something more Ford-y (see what Cbassett did).
Bob

I like the radius arm/ford idea also, but it looks like there is really no room to do one? Got any pics of a radius arm style front 44 or 60? I'm trying to figure out what to do with a 44 front. RE links or ford radius arm style if it fits?

Originally posted by SeanP
I have never thought about shaving the top of a 60. I was planning on running a piece of tube on top of the 60 pumpkin and attaching my upper ca to that. This makes clearance even more of an issue. Shoot, this whole front axle thing is a PITA. Maybe a HP44 with warn/ctms IS the way to go.

SeanP

9" center with 60 outers.I'm building one right now.35 spline hub to hub,can weld anywhere on the housing,lighter than the HP60,deeper gear options and the Panhard bar clears no problem.

Dust Puppy, nice setup. Same question as earlier posted by someone else...are the coils pointed inward? I assume it is too clear the housing? Does this improve stability? I am getting ready to drop a narrowed HP 60 in the front of my XJ, so I need to get all the help I can, so I can do it right the first time. Also, one last question...did you fab up your own mounts?


Thanks,

Ken

Originally posted by Jason R


I like the radius arm/ford idea also, but it looks like there is really no room to do one? Got any pics of a radius arm style front 44 or 60? I'm trying to figure out what to do with a 44 front. RE links or ford radius arm style if it fits?

I am in the process of using a HP44 with the radius arms and should have it completed this weekend. This went into a XJ I will post some pics when done.

Originally posted by GPN Family


I am in the process of using a HP44 with the radius arms and should have it completed this weekend. This went into a XJ I will post some pics when done.

I mean tube style radius arms, not the typical ford setup. Basically like a rubicon express TJ front long arm, but the mounts on the axle end are on the same plane vertically.

Jason,

Since the coil mounts are basically right on top of the coil mounts, you'll either have to do a ford style radius arm (coils mount on top of the arms), or outboard your coils like someone else did elsewhere in this thread - it's the TJ in all of the pictures. Otherwise there is no way to do a good radius arm, in my opinion. Someone else might be able to chime in here.

You've actually started me thinking about a need to make a radius arm with adj caster - I'll be radius arming a YJ soon (Whiskerbiscuit here on the boards), and I need to figure out how to possibly adj the caster - or not - I guess I'll just plan on cutting and turning his knuckles if we need a caster change, since we are working with a 79 Pherd 1/2ton HP44, with the cast-in mounts on the tubes.

BTW, I am really thinking about coilovering my front now, since I want to really change alot of things after having run the 44 for a year... like I want the freedom to really move it around and change some stuff, and highsteer REALLY limits you, what with all the craziness of the almost flat trackbar (again you'll see what I mean).

OK enough stream of consciousness rambling. :) Send me an email at racecadet@yahoo.com if you want some pics of my setup (don't know if I have any currently of the 44, but I need some, so I'll HBO if you need some). Also, Cbassett here on the boards did a radius arm setup, and a friend on the NAGCA boards did it as well (NAGCA's like NAXJA for the cool kids - just joking!).

http://www.nagca.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4897

Cbassett is somewhere - paging Chris, please pick up a black paging phone...

Merry Kwanzaa
Bob