Anyone have any ideas on how to improve the front spring set up on a series. Since my hangers rusted off I can pretty much do what I want. I was planning on parabolics and stock shackles but I thought I would look for any brilliant ideas first. Also what length shock works best with that set up.

My other ideas were in order of viability:

Shackle reversal a la very early series I

Other (longer) springs (what/where do I find them)

military hangers in back and maybe front too (have a feeling this will kill the 80in driveshaft and would require lifting the rear)

Range rover coil spung front axle (too wide to keep inside the fenders and a lot of work)

Ron

PS the engine is giving me fits. Anyone have an LT95 out of a 101 FC floating around?

Hello Ron

Longer front springs seem to be the way lots of people over there go like Timm Cooper's set up. It seems like a lot of work but judging by Timm's truck it certainly works well.

Not that long ago 9V was discussing the possibility of using Jeep springs, YJ? (sorry not up to speed on Jeep models) As far as I can remember these springs are 1/4" wider than series LR springs so there would be some work involved in fitting them.

I use a setup like this

http://www.gon2far.co.uk/gallery/gon2far/500_coilbeating.jpg

Which has been very succesful in terms of increased flex. Set up consists of the pivoting front spring mounts, Changed shackle geometry and shocks, brake lines, and prop shaft to keep up with it.

http://www.gon2far.co.uk/gallery/gon2far/500_p1010077.jpg

Shock length is best sorted out after you have got it all together and know how far whatever you have built will flex.

Perhaps the simplest way if increasing flex would be a military length shackle with the top pivot moved forward and down to lay the shackle over at more of an angle. I havent tried this on its own but I suspect it would make quite a differance.

Although not ideal spacers or custom offset wheels are less effort than fitting a coil sprung axle.


How is the portal axle project coming along by the way?

what are your goals for the truck? i can help but need if you want full off road truck, daily driver, or fun truck.

Adam

improving the series front end is the goal so why not make suggestions on all three senarios;)

Nigel

hahah ok nigel :D

off road truck- jeep wrangler YJ rear springs in the front. leave the rear shackle hanger where it is and just move the front mount point forward to increase the wheelbase. sprung over.

daily driver- rear parabolics spring under in the front. maybe a swivel mount deal like nigels if you feel so inclined.

fun truck- rear 80" springs mounted in the front, with a leaf or two removed. spring under, no flex gimmicks. longer shocks.

i still havent decided how i want to go but it may be another route entirely.

Hey Adam

we are at opposite ends of the day to each other. Ive just got time for a bit of quick typing before I get thrown out of work by the security peaps.

The YJ deal sprung over is interesting I know you have put it somwhere else but how does the length compare with LR fronts?

Parabolic rears at the front I wonder where you got that idea from eh! I think you would need at least three leaf springs to get the rate required to support the engine winch etc.
why go for SUA for this one?

80" rear springs nice plan cheap proven flex but you are still comitting to quite a lot of work.

I could say Revolver front end -

http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Dec/20021237431917021143372.jpg

Easy bolt on option for flex:flipoff2:

yes im geting my coat and yes im going home now:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

OH yeh Adam




















Its about time you got a leaf spring rig up and running and stopped messing with those coily things:flipoff2:

hey who knows i am contemplating coils at least in the rear of my rover :D

YJ springs are the same length as 88/109 rears.

he said that his front frame horns are gone anyways so i just figured if youre going to build them, build them longer and be done.

and its nice to see YOU popping back up on here again!

I plan on daily driving my 80in :rolleyes: just what I need, no windscreen, no roof, bias plys etc.

what I want is a better on road ride, slightly more flex, no lift. I think I will be good with just parabolics. Basically it is going to be set up like a stock truck only slightly enhanced (assuming the 1.6 ever runs, if not it is getting a V8 but will still look stock)

The portal truck (my 88in) is waiting for the 80in to get out of the way so it can get sorted as far as steering and brakes. Rick L. has a nice lightweight with a scout II box which I am copying. At this point I am still waiting for a deal to fall in my lap on a SIII brake set up and I also am looking for a military double pulley. The Scout II box and pump is no biggy. Just time at this point. I am also considering a LR set up only because I know it better. Nothing I ever do is quick because I am always working on 3 or four projects at once.

Ron

ron- i have a military double pulley.

whats your timeframe on parabolics? i have a full set (4) of two leafers that i am going to be dumping relatively soon.

Anytime on the springs. what you looking to get for the pulley? Craddocks has them pretty cheap and that was my plan but I rather give you my money.

Speaking of which does anyone have any opinion on the best of the parabolics? I was going to try the ones at TRG, british spring as both TI console and Rocky Mountain have had mixed reviews.

Ron

i dont know if the pulley is bent or not, but its rusty and needs a wire wheeling and paint. what does craddocks charge for them?

my parabolics are RM ones, i like them.

Adam

""""and its nice to see YOU popping back up on here again!""""

Im always here mate just dont post unless I want to learn somthing or feel I can contribute a bit here and there;)

Sat in front of a computer all day its the Pirates board (and others) that keeps me sane. Looking at English forums could kill you with the boardom factor.

(some of the people from English forums that lurk on here may need apologising to for that------------nothing personal lads)

I will be putting a future plans thread up in the next day or so so you may be seeing a bit more from me:flipoff2:

Ron

If you are planing to run larger than 750x16 (31") tyres then the way to go has to be four rear length parabolics, military length shackles, along with propshafts and shocks to cope.

If you only plan to run 750x16 (31") then parabolics all round (TI Console are the best) and get the extra flex you are after out of the front end by changing the shackle angle. Again propshafts and shocks to cope. with parabolics the rear flexes plenty well enough anyway.

http://www.gon2far.co.uk/gallery/drew88/500_drew88.xtend.jpg

This is 3 leaf TI console rears with longer shocks laid down at a greater angle than standard.

There is plenty of room on a series for long travel shock setups even in SUA mode.

http://www.gon2far.co.uk/gallery/revolvers/500_show_pic.jpg

At the front of course you have all the room inside the front wings (fenders) for long shocks.

For me because you are saying that you want slightly enhanced but stock looking and you dont seem like you want to be messing with better axles, bigger tyres etc. I would go for parabolics all round (did I mention TI Consoles) and optimise that front shackle angle.

With all this talk of parabolics you have not said whether or not your 80 is running the narrow springs. If it is then you are out of luck with parabolics unless you mod the spring mountings for the wider springs.

Are we at least going to see some photos of this mythical portal axle 88 then or are you going to keep it a closley guarded secret?

I could search but im not going to right now are we talking Volvo or Mog portals?

Adam

You havent mentioned getting the front springs re-wraped to accomodate a Jonny joint or some such thing:rolleyes:

Nigel

"Are we at least going to see some photos of this mythical portal axle 88 then or are you going to keep it a closley guarded secret? "

Its first pics will be trail pics. It is not trail ready. Volvo not mog, mog is too hard for bolt on Ron.

My 80in has wides in front but (as all 80in due) has narrows in back. fronts are shots rears are actually in ok shape. I am just going to buy a set of two leafs front and find some shocks to fit, maybe fiddle with the shackles and call it a day.

Ron

Ron,

I for one, am interested in seeing pics of any 80 inch trucks.

Anything after '53 isn't a 'real' Land Rover anyway, so everyone else can just go start they're own forum and leave us to entertain each other.

Let's see those Portals too!

Gon2Far:

I like that rear axle setup. Very trick. Are those lift blocks I see between your axle and the spring?

I was thinking that you ought to do a spring-over. Might be just what the doctor ordered for you to fit something a little larger on there.

I also liked the crossmember red paint. Nice touch.

""""My 80in has wides in front but (as all 80in due) has narrows in back. fronts are shots rears are actually in ok shape. I am just going to buy a set of two leafs front and find some shocks to fit, maybe fiddle with the shackles and call it a day. """"

Ron

You learn something every day I always assumed that early S1s had narrow springs at both ends but then ive never had much to do with S1s

From chatting to the Malaysians I got the impression that the Volvo to series thing was a simple bolt on deal. I have been told that even the prop shafts bolt straight up.

Is there more to it than this then?

Some build up pics would be interesting-----------------------please

:D


""""I like that rear axle setup. Very trick. Are those lift blocks I see between your axle and the spring?""""

Michael

I am trying to decide if you are being a bit 'tounge in cheek' with this question. Lift blocks between the axle and the spring on a SUA truck would be lowering blocks;)

No its just the standard LR spring mount on the axle.

""""I was thinking that you ought to do a spring-over. Might be just what the doctor ordered for you to fit something a little larger on there.""""""

Well not to give to much away yet but SOA is the next planned project truck (I just want to see what all the fuss is about). Im hoping to close the deal today on a pair of 101 axles and then the planning can start for real:D :D













"""""I also liked the crossmember red paint. Nice touch."""""

You leave my red paint alone now:flipoff2: you wouldnt believe how much extra flex you get from red paint ;)

Nigel,

Hi, the new project sounds very interesting! Are 101 axles wider than stock series axles too? I take it the SOA will be easy as 101's where SOA anyway weren't they?

I have been trying to convince Tonk that he wants to go to volvo portals and simex but he keeps wimping out saying he won't get the thing in the garage.

And yeah you are right the 'English' forums are pretty dull right now. If you mentioned SOA on them everyone would lift up their skirts and run away. I tend to just lurk here too :D

Hoping for a decent xmas bonus so I can finally get some TI spring on my truck (are you reading this boss?)

cheers

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Hello mate

Im looking forwards to dabbling with SOA.

As far as I know the 101 axles are wider than series but there again just about any axles are wider than series.

Perhaps Adam (9V) can give us a measurement of both.

Volvo portals would just suit Tonk, there’s a bloke in General who is looking for people in the UK to go in with him on importing some but the price is a bit steep for my pocket. Not sure what his name is but a search should turn the thread up title is something like who wants to import Volvo portals.

Just let me know when you want some springs mate;)

Hey,

Any of you guys planning on a 101 axle swap???

I have an ARB diff that I had the side gears re-cut to fit the spline count of the 101 axles.

It is brand new, never been installed.

Let me know and we can talk price and shipping if anyone is interested.

Sorry Michael

but I forgot to mention in the thread I just kicked off that part of the deal with the 101 I just bought was a pair of ARB diffs:D

What unrealised plans did you have involving 101 axles?

The 101 Sals has spring pads top and bottom.
For pics of "How much wider" Look at Josh's site http://www.untrakdrover.com/trips/upperhelldorado.htm for pics of Timms 109 S1.

-Jeff

Hello Jeff

Ive seen Josh's wonderfull pics of Timm's truck. However Timm runs wheels that are all offset (zero back spacing) so the width of his front end is a little egsagerated.

The 101 axle used straight bolts rather than U bolts which is why it has a flat mounting top and bottom.

What im looking for is someone to give me some measurements because I own this thing now but im 1,000 miles away from the damn thing and will be till Christmas.

Can anyone tell me the overall width of both a 101 and a series axle?

Can anyone tell me the width between the springs of both a 101 and a series.

You folks are near your Rovers and im not:(

101 axles are around 64-65" wide, series axles are about 58". for reference a coiler axle is 62".

Originally posted by 9V
101 axles are around 64-65" wide, series axles are about 58". for reference a coiler axle is 62".

Adam

that was just what I was after. Just how 'around' and 'about' are those measurements though?

My Rovers are both running 1 1/4" wheel spacers and the wheels are about 1/2" inside the body (why did Rover build series axles so narrow:confused: ) so an extra 4" of width on top of that should put the tyres half outside the body work if I run the standard 101 rims. Its begining to look as if this lot was designed to go together just right:D

Does anyone have access to a 101 and a series so they can let me know the width between the springs on both???????

Nigel,

Saw that thread alright, can't quite con him into taking the plunge just yet, I'll keep on at him :)

The new project is sounding better all the time, did not realise the axles where that much wider, haven't seen any 101s in Ireland to get a good look at one.

Sean

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